LOL, My Pinto didn't!
"Bridger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 15:16:27 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
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> >"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >> Would you let your child LEARN to drive in a brand new car? Not me.
> >>
> >> She can learn on a something that won't upset me when it gets broken.
> >>
> >> That's also why I bought her a $39 HF benchtop drill press instead of
> >> letting her break her teeth on my floor model.
> >
> >Yes, they drove my car when learning (with me in it). Of course when they
> >used the car themselves they got the older one. I was a teenager once
and
> >know how cars are used.
>
>
> yeah. older cars tend to have bigger cushier back seats....
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> >Using poorly made tools teaches frustration. My kids and now my grandson
> >use all of my tools and I taught them to use them properly.
> >
> >Exception: I could not find some of my #$% sockets after my son used
them.
> >Ed
> >
>
>Exception: I could not find some of my #$% sockets after my son used them.
>Ed
>
That happens but at least I know where my pipe threader is - and my
portaband - and my 1/2" drill - and my four wheeler - and my tractor -
and my Ruger .22 - and my Walther .380 - Dang - Better check and see
if anything is left. :-)
Lots of posts on that subject, search.
I use a small Delta drill press and the mortising attachement. Works well,
but lately I have been using a router table, its quicker.
dave
"Wilson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Any opinions on benchtop mortising machine. I've got a used Central
> Machinery mortises and it takes longer to set up that to drill the
mortises.
> thanks
>
>
Would you let your child LEARN to drive in a brand new car? Not me.
She can learn on a something that won't upset me when it gets broken.
That's also why I bought her a $39 HF benchtop drill press instead of
letting her break her teeth on my floor model.
"Jack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> you don't like your daughter? What did she do to piss you off enough to
make
> her use a machine you don't like???
>
> Jack
>
> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > I had a lot of trouble with the shop fox. It sits in the corner now and
I
> > use my Delta 14-651. I'll save the shop fox for my daughter to learn on.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Wilson wrote:
> > > > Any opinions on benchtop mortising machine. I've got a used Central
> > > > Machinery mortises and it takes longer to set up that to drill the
> > > > mortises. thanks
> > >
> > > IU bought a Delta machine. It works well with hardwoods, but I did
have
> a
> > > bit of bit clogging on pine. Probably needs a little TLS to get it
just
> > > right. Overall, I'm satisfied but I've only done 32 mortises so far.
> > > Better than drilling and hand chisels though.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ed
> > > [email protected]
> > > http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > Would you let your child LEARN to drive in a brand new car? Not me.
> >
> > She can learn on a something that won't upset me when it gets broken.
> >
> > That's also why I bought her a $39 HF benchtop drill press instead of
> > letting her break her teeth on my floor model.
>
> Yes, they drove my car when learning (with me in it). Of course when they
> used the car themselves they got the older one. I was a teenager once and
> know how cars are used.
>
> Using poorly made tools teaches frustration. My kids and now my grandson
> use all of my tools and I taught them to use them properly.
I let my boys (6 and 8) use most of my hand tools, including a couple LN
saws and my tuned block and bench planes. One notable exception is that I
bought them a Stanley tool box saw as my full size rip and cross cut saws
were just too big. There are a few tools that they use but only for short
durations though as they are too big... see ABPW for an example.
When they realize poor results from using crappy tools they give up. When
they get results that look pretty much like mine they keep going. The one
type of tool where they really see the difference are the block and bench
planes... big curls is where it's at! They also notice it with hand
saws--that little Stanley I bought them cuts pretty good, see ABPW for an
example.
John
I had a lot of trouble with the shop fox. It sits in the corner now and I
use my Delta 14-651. I'll save the shop fox for my daughter to learn on.
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Wilson wrote:
> > Any opinions on benchtop mortising machine. I've got a used Central
> > Machinery mortises and it takes longer to set up that to drill the
> > mortises. thanks
>
> IU bought a Delta machine. It works well with hardwoods, but I did have a
> bit of bit clogging on pine. Probably needs a little TLS to get it just
> right. Overall, I'm satisfied but I've only done 32 mortises so far.
> Better than drilling and hand chisels though.
>
> --
> Ed
> [email protected]
> http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
>
>
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Any opinions on benchtop mortising machine. I've got a used Central
> Machinery mortises and it takes longer to set up that to drill the mortises.
> thanks
>
>
>
Multico PM20 dont know if its available in the US I know the small pm16
is.Great morticer really versatile and powerfull
Russell
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> "Russell" wrote in message
>
> > Multico PM20 dont know if its available in the US I know the small pm16
> > is.Great morticer really versatile and powerfull
> > Russell
>
> It is available, but expensive. While a very good machine, at +/- $650US, it
> is almost 3 times the price of the Delta 14-651. If I were looking to spend
> that kind of money on a mortiser, I would spend a bit more and go for a
> dedicated floor model.
>
> Just my tuppence ...
>
> One last note on the Delta ... there are two benchtop models last time I
> looked, the Delta 14-651 is the better one.
>
>
Is that the PM20 and not a PM16 for +/-$650 that is cheap they are made
in England or France now I believe and I just paid 850eur ex tax (tax
19% )I chose to have it without the stand as I mounted it on a custom
stand.
Russell
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> "Russell" wrote in message
>
> > Is that the PM20 and not a PM16 for +/-$650 that is cheap they are made
> > in England or France now I believe and I just paid 850eur ex tax (tax
> > 19% )I chose to have it without the stand as I mounted it on a custom
> > stand.
>
>
> It's been a while, but I am fairly certain it was the 16S? ... that is not
> to say that there is another model available in the US by now.
>
>
thew...the PM20 is a lot more capable than the pm16.The head moves in
all plains and can cut 20mm mortises no problem.
have a look.Its sometimes so bizzare the difference between european and
American style tools/machines.just look at the threads over saw fences
and such like
http://www.euronet.nl/users/beetle/pm20.jpg
Russell
Never Enough Money wrote:
> Shop Fox bench top beats the Delta bench top according to my friends
> -- I'm in the market to a mortizer, too. Everything I read says Shop
> Fox is best ... in the bench top class.
We read different magazines. Delta and Jet are rated tops in one. IIRC, it
was WWJ. In an issure of Amercian Woodworker, SF, Woodtec, Delta, Jet were
all considered "bets buy".
What do your friends say that makes the Shop Fox better? Never used one so
I don't know the differences.
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Ed
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Iraxl Enb wrote:
>> That's also why I bought her a $39 HF benchtop drill press instead of
>> letting her break her teeth on my floor model.
>
> sorry, but shouldnt that be "cut her teeth"? breaking teeth on
> the floor model seems a little hard on the poor kid :-)
>
> irax.
Maybe break is right with the HF tools.
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Ed
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"Russell" wrote in message
> Multico PM20 dont know if its available in the US I know the small pm16
> is.Great morticer really versatile and powerfull
> Russell
It is available, but expensive. While a very good machine, at +/- $650US, it
is almost 3 times the price of the Delta 14-651. If I were looking to spend
that kind of money on a mortiser, I would spend a bit more and go for a
dedicated floor model.
Just my tuppence ...
One last note on the Delta ... there are two benchtop models last time I
looked, the Delta 14-651 is the better one.
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Wilson wrote:
> Any opinions on benchtop mortising machine. I've got a used Central
> Machinery mortises and it takes longer to set up that to drill the
> mortises. thanks
IU bought a Delta machine. It works well with hardwoods, but I did have a
bit of bit clogging on pine. Probably needs a little TLS to get it just
right. Overall, I'm satisfied but I've only done 32 mortises so far.
Better than drilling and hand chisels though.
--
Ed
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http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
"Never Enough Money" wrote in message
> Shop Fox bench top beats the Delta bench top according to my friends
> -- I'm in the market to a mortizer, too. Everything I read says Shop
> Fox is best ... in the bench top class.
I scoped both out carefully a couple of years ago and, while the ShopFox
"looked" better in fit and finish, I settled on the Delta 14-651, which had
the best/beefiest head assembly (dovetail gib) of the benchtop models in
that price range ... this is a critical engineering point with the
benchtop's as they are good tools, but still borderline for doing the job.
The only thing I would trade it for would be the PowerMatic floor model.
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I just spent the weekend with my JET benchtop and it was pure bliss. It was
quick and easy to setup and it cut the mortises just like I wanted them. I
was using pine too and it didn't clog or anything. Absolutely loved it.
(Even SWMBO came into the shop after I had finished and said "Wow, you got
all that done already? That was fast!" -- lemme tell ya, that's saying
something, I've never equated "fast" with any of my woodworking.)
Mike
"Wilson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Any opinions on benchtop mortising machine. I've got a used Central
> Machinery mortises and it takes longer to set up that to drill the
mortises.
> thanks
>
>
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Would you let your child LEARN to drive in a brand new car? Not me.
>
> She can learn on a something that won't upset me when it gets broken.
>
> That's also why I bought her a $39 HF benchtop drill press instead of
> letting her break her teeth on my floor model.
Yes, they drove my car when learning (with me in it). Of course when they
used the car themselves they got the older one. I was a teenager once and
know how cars are used.
Using poorly made tools teaches frustration. My kids and now my grandson
use all of my tools and I taught them to use them properly.
Exception: I could not find some of my #$% sockets after my son used them.
Ed
"Russell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> thew...the PM20 is a lot more capable than the pm16.The head moves in
> all plains and can cut 20mm mortises no problem.
FWIW I got a PM20 from GarrettWade several years ago and have found it to be
well worth the additional cost. When it arrived on a truck the driver
said,"the crate looks a little rough." Rough, indeed, the crate was
completely broken off the top and a real mess. It looked like it had been
dropped on its top, the mortiser was exposed and dented. Most people would
not have accepted it, but I did, with the idea if the mortiser was damaged
badly I could just send it back. The top cover of the mortiser showed
obvious damage. Anyhows, I set up the thing, cutting my hand on one of the
very sharp chisels and it worked fine. I called Garrett-Wade and got a top
cover shipped, pronto, and now it looks just great and works super.
Larry
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 15:16:27 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Would you let your child LEARN to drive in a brand new car? Not me.
>>
>> She can learn on a something that won't upset me when it gets broken.
>>
>> That's also why I bought her a $39 HF benchtop drill press instead of
>> letting her break her teeth on my floor model.
>
>Yes, they drove my car when learning (with me in it). Of course when they
>used the car themselves they got the older one. I was a teenager once and
>know how cars are used.
yeah. older cars tend to have bigger cushier back seats....
>
>Using poorly made tools teaches frustration. My kids and now my grandson
>use all of my tools and I taught them to use them properly.
>
>Exception: I could not find some of my #$% sockets after my son used them.
>Ed
>
you don't like your daughter? What did she do to piss you off enough to make
her use a machine you don't like???
Jack
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I had a lot of trouble with the shop fox. It sits in the corner now and I
> use my Delta 14-651. I'll save the shop fox for my daughter to learn on.
>
>
>
> "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Wilson wrote:
> > > Any opinions on benchtop mortising machine. I've got a used Central
> > > Machinery mortises and it takes longer to set up that to drill the
> > > mortises. thanks
> >
> > IU bought a Delta machine. It works well with hardwoods, but I did have
a
> > bit of bit clogging on pine. Probably needs a little TLS to get it just
> > right. Overall, I'm satisfied but I've only done 32 mortises so far.
> > Better than drilling and hand chisels though.
> >
> > --
> > Ed
> > [email protected]
> > http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
> >
> >
>
>
On 16 Feb 2004 20:39:46 -0800, [email protected] (Never Enough
Money) brought forth from the murky depths:
>Shop Fox bench top beats the Delta bench top according to my friends
>-- I'm in the market to a mortizer, too. Everything I read says Shop
>Fox is best ... in the bench top class.
They're great, and they have a capacity for MUCH larger
lumber than the others. The head swivels to the side so
you can cut end or panel mortises, too.
Now that I'm done with the chiro (I think) I'll be getting
back into the shop and using it.
-
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"Russell" wrote in message
> Is that the PM20 and not a PM16 for +/-$650 that is cheap they are made
> in England or France now I believe and I just paid 850eur ex tax (tax
> 19% )I chose to have it without the stand as I mounted it on a custom
> stand.
It's been a while, but I am fairly certain it was the 16S? ... that is not
to say that there is another model available in the US by now.
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Last update: 2/13/04