Not sure if this is the right group for this:
Where do I find information concerning specifications (types, uses,
horsepower requirements) for blades in the 32" to 48" range? Primary use
will be in a cross cut fashion.
Just point me where to look, or proper key words for a successful google
search.
Thanks in advance!
jbeck wrote:
> Not sure if this is the right group for this:
>
> Where do I find information concerning specifications (types, uses,
> horsepower requirements) for blades in the 32" to 48" range? Primary use
> will be in a cross cut fashion.
>
> Just point me where to look, or proper key words for a successful google
> search.
>
> Thanks in advance!
Try a google search for "industrial sawmill cut off saw". This should get
you started.
http://www.forestindustry.com/sector/sawmill_panel/a-z_categories/circular_saws.html
--
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Buffalo, NY - USA
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"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> jbeck wrote:
>
>> Not sure if this is the right group for this:
>>
>> Where do I find information concerning specifications (types, uses,
>> horsepower requirements) for blades in the 32" to 48" range? Primary use
>> will be in a cross cut fashion.
>>
>> Just point me where to look, or proper key words for a successful google
>> search.
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>
> Try a google search for "industrial sawmill cut off saw". This should get
> you started.
>
> http://www.forestindustry.com/sector/sawmill_panel/a-z_categories/circular_saws.html
>
> --
> Jack Novak
> Buffalo, NY - USA
> (Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)
>
>
Thank you very much for the link. Those key words seem to be bringing up
what I was looking for. Well know after I've had a chance to look through.
Thanks again!
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Blades like this are generally custom or semi custom made. The best thing
> to
> do is talk to manufactures. They have engineers that will fit a blade to
> your requirements.
Thanks for the information. Am really trying to find something that is 'off
the shelf'. Heck, so far haven't had much luck in finding manufacturers of
blades this size.
"Pat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> http://www.idsconsulting.com.au/sb2.htm this is the type of machine he
> wants.
>
Thanks Pat:
That illustrates very well what I am asking about.
"jbeck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Pat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> http://www.idsconsulting.com.au/sb2.htm this is the type of machine he
>> wants.
>>
>
> Thanks Pat:
>
> That illustrates very well what I am asking about.
>
PS
Also gives me another potential source!
"U-CDK_CHARLES\Charles" <"Charles Krug"@aol.com> wrote in message
news:I9Gqd.1033$UU1.724@trndny04...
> On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 08:24:22 -0700, jbeck <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>
>> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Blades like this are generally custom or semi custom made. The best
>>> thing
>>> to
>>> do is talk to manufactures. They have engineers that will fit a blade to
>>> your requirements.
>>
>> Thanks for the information. Am really trying to find something that is
>> 'off
>> the shelf'. Heck, so far haven't had much luck in finding manufacturers
>> of
>> blades this size.
>>
>>
>
> who built the machine? They must have gotten the blade from somewhere.
>
The machine was a 'homebrew' cobbled together thing.
Neverfear, I've found a blade supplier!!!!
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 06:32:58 +0800, Old Nick <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 14:32:04 GMT, [email protected] vaguely
>>proposed a theory
>>......and in reply I say!:
>>
>> remove ns from my header address to reply via email
>>
>>Not on the hooror front (and I can where that thing would look very
>>predatory) the most amazing thing I have watched is tree harvesting.
>>This machine was grabbing 120' 3' diam trees (Tassie Bluegums) and
>>cutting, trimming, topping and debarking them like they were
>>toothpicks. unbelievable. It would cut though the tree in what, under
>>5 seconds (?). Then trow it down abd sort of nibble its way along the
>>tree debranching, then ZIP 2 seconds to top the tree, theh back and
>>forth a couple of times through these toothed wheels to get rid of the
>>bark.
>>
>>Actually I was considering tree farming at the time. But these
>>extraction companies were out for themselves to the nth, and the 24
>>hour per day methods, and mess they left behind was frightening to
>>behold. To say nothing of 4* 3' tree stumps every ten square yards,
>>acre after acre.
>
> These things don't take down the entire tree. They just trim off the
> top and sides(?) to give a better shape for trees planted in rows and
> an easier height to work.
>
> Still pretty darned impressive.
>
> --RC
>>
>>>All they have to do is shoot some footage in an orchard where it's
>>>operating. I've occasionally seen things like this in use in citrus
>>>orchards and it is flat scary just in normal operation.
>>>
>>>--RC
>>>
Yep...why go to the movies to scare yourself...just find an orchard that has
one of these things lurking in the shadows!
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 08:24:22 -0700, jbeck <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Blades like this are generally custom or semi custom made. The best thing
>> to
>> do is talk to manufactures. They have engineers that will fit a blade to
>> your requirements.
>
> Thanks for the information. Am really trying to find something that is 'off
> the shelf'. Heck, so far haven't had much luck in finding manufacturers of
> blades this size.
>
>
who built the machine? They must have gotten the blade from somewhere.
"jbeck" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 06:32:58 +0800, Old Nick <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 14:32:04 GMT, [email protected] vaguely
> >>proposed a theory
> >>......and in reply I say!:
> >>
> >> remove ns from my header address to reply via email
> >>
> >>Not on the hooror front (and I can where that thing would look very
> >>predatory) the most amazing thing I have watched is tree harvesting.
> >>This machine was grabbing 120' 3' diam trees (Tassie Bluegums) and
> >>cutting, trimming, topping and debarking them like they were
> >>toothpicks. unbelievable. It would cut though the tree in what, under
> >>5 seconds (?). Then trow it down abd sort of nibble its way along the
> >>tree debranching, then ZIP 2 seconds to top the tree, theh back and
> >>forth a couple of times through these toothed wheels to get rid of the
> >>bark.
> >>
> >>Actually I was considering tree farming at the time. But these
> >>extraction companies were out for themselves to the nth, and the 24
> >>hour per day methods, and mess they left behind was frightening to
> >>behold. To say nothing of 4* 3' tree stumps every ten square yards,
> >>acre after acre.
> >
> > These things don't take down the entire tree. They just trim off the
> > top and sides(?) to give a better shape for trees planted in rows and
> > an easier height to work.
> >
> > Still pretty darned impressive.
> >
> > --RC
> >>
> >>>All they have to do is shoot some footage in an orchard where it's
> >>>operating. I've occasionally seen things like this in use in citrus
> >>>orchards and it is flat scary just in normal operation.
> >>>
> >>>--RC
> >>>
>
> Yep...why go to the movies to scare yourself...just find an orchard that has
> one of these things lurking in the shadows!
There is a company located in Knoxville, TN where I have had a smaller
(10") saw blade made, and one resharpened. They can make up tp a 36
inch diameter blade I think. The name is Precision Industrial Supply
Co., ask for Tom Housewright, he is the owner. Phone # is
(865)686-0306. You can get various types of blade specifications
depending on what you are doing.
They make great blades, and have a number of other machine repair
services. If they can't make what you need, he might know someone who
could.
Jeff
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:17:12 -0700, "jbeck" <[email protected]>
calmly ranted:
>Not sure if this is the right group for this:
>
>Where do I find information concerning specifications (types, uses,
>horsepower requirements) for blades in the 32" to 48" range? Primary use
>will be in a cross cut fashion.
>
>Just point me where to look, or proper key words for a successful google
>search.
Here ya go: http://www.lumberjackent.com/competition.htm
The picture on the top is of a 2-man saw. Is this the type
of crosscut saw you seek?
If not, a few more details might help people point you in the right
direction.
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 10:38:30 +0800, Old Nick <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:34:13 -0800, "Pat"
><[email protected]> vaguely proposed a theory
>......and in reply I say!:
>
> remove ns from my header address to reply via email
>
>>http://www.idsconsulting.com.au/sb2.htm this is the type of machine he
>>wants.
>>
>
>
>They should use _that_ in a horror movie! <G>
All they have to do is shoot some footage in an orchard where it's
operating. I've occasionally seen things like this in use in citrus
orchards and it is flat scary just in normal operation.
--RC
Sleep? Isn't that a totally inadequate substitute for caffine?
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:17:12 -0700, "jbeck" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Not sure if this is the right group for this:
>
>Where do I find information concerning specifications (types, uses,
>horsepower requirements) for blades in the 32" to 48" range? Primary use
>will be in a cross cut fashion.
>
>Just point me where to look, or proper key words for a successful google
>search.
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>
I hope that you're talking about bandsaw blades, not saw blades...
unless you own a sawmill..
mac davis responds:
>>Not sure if this is the right group for this:
>>
>>Where do I find information concerning specifications (types, uses,
>>horsepower requirements) for blades in the 32" to 48" range? Primary use
>>will be in a cross cut fashion.
>>
>>Just point me where to look, or proper key words for a successful google
>>search.
>>
>>Thanks in advance!
>>
>>
>I hope that you're talking about bandsaw blades, not saw blades...
>unless you own a sawmill..
Sawmills don't have a lot of use for crosscut blades. There are several
companies specializing in large blades for sawmills, but they're rip blades,
not crosscut, AFAIK.
Charlie Self
"Giving every man a vote has no more made men wise and free than Christianity
has made them good." H. L. Mencken
Old Nick wrote:
> This and the metalwork ng will answer just about _any_ question. While
> there is a lot of Grizzling (hehe) about it, one of the hottest topics
> here is actually social issues and politics. You _can't_ be out of
> place ! <G>
And besides, a big ass home brew machine cobbled together out of random
parts, which spins one or more really enormous blades on the end of a
hydraulic arm... Sure, we're interested. :)
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On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:24:19 -0700, "jbeck" <[email protected]>
spake the words:
>Found a supplier for the blades...I am going to attempt to run it this
>season before really doing any mods, so we'll see how it goes.
You've said that 3 times now without stating the name of the source.
What'll it take to get that outta ya, Becko?
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"George E. Cawthon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Charlie Self wrote:
>> mac davis responds:
>>
>>
>>>>Not sure if this is the right group for this:
>>>>
>>>>Where do I find information concerning specifications (types, uses,
>>>>horsepower requirements) for blades in the 32" to 48" range? Primary
>>>>use will be in a cross cut fashion.
>>>>
>>>>Just point me where to look, or proper key words for a successful google
>>>>search.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks in advance!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>I hope that you're talking about bandsaw blades, not saw blades...
>>>unless you own a sawmill..
Not talking about bandsaw blades...not useable for the application.
>>
>>
>> Sawmills don't have a lot of use for crosscut blades. There are several
>> companies specializing in large blades for sawmills, but they're rip
>> blades,
>> not crosscut, AFAIK.
>>
>> Charlie Self
>> "Giving every man a vote has no more made men wise and free than
>> Christianity
>> has made them good." H. L. Mencken
> And they use rip blades to cut the ends of the board off or to cut shorter
> boards?
>
> Buzz saws also use crosscut blades, 30 inch maybe larger.
That's what I am looking for...didn't know if they were that or not. I
found a few leads off the 'buzz saw' word. Thanks!
"Old Nick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 20:39:59 -0700, "jbeck" <[email protected]>
> vaguely proposed a theory
> ......and in reply I say!:
>
> remove ns from my header address to reply via email
>
> Why so mysterious about all of this? What are you _doing_? Timber,
> firewood....?
>
>>>>>>Where do I find information concerning specifications (types, uses,
>>>>>>horsepower requirements) for blades in the 32" to 48" range? Primary
>>>>>>use will be in a cross cut fashion.
>
>>Not talking about bandsaw blades...not useable for the application.
Didn't mean to be 'mysterious'. Just didn't know if I was posting in an
appropriate newsgroup. It seemed most of this newsgroup was for hobby/craft
type of wood working. Kind of felt out of place.
I am looking at acquiring a hedger. These are machines that go through
orchards, and prune and shape trees on a large scale. I know a little bit
about mechanics, but I don't know jack about the big sawmill type blades.
The machine I have the offer on has a little over 20' in cut, and is
equipped with multiple 32" blades. The use is strictly in a cross cut type
fashion. The questions I am trying to find the answers to are (not in any
particular order):
1) Where do I get replacement blades--(I found a quote for a 38"
blade--$1600, but that's it!)
2) What types of blades are out there? And what are the most suitable?
What are their specifications?
3) This particular machine has a history of being a weak cutter. The
motor driving the cutting head produces approximately 40hp - 50 hp. I have
a spare (from another application) which can produce about 140hp. The
engine produces about 225hp, and the pump is suitable for that size...would
I be overtorquing the blades that are there if I Aggie Engineered it with
the 140hp motor? Are there blades of that size (32") which can take that
much hp? Or is this something that I am going to have to completely rebuild
for my own application? And that's why I really am after technical
specifications for blades, and what is available. If I can find those types
of specs, I can figure out the rest.
"patriarch [email protected]>" <<patriarch> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "jbeck" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I am looking at acquiring a hedger. These are machines that go
>> through orchards, and prune and shape trees on a large scale. I know
>> a little bit about mechanics, but I don't know jack about the big
>> sawmill type blades. The machine I have the offer on has a little over
>> 20' in cut, and is equipped with multiple 32" blades. The use is
>> strictly in a cross cut type fashion. The questions I am trying to
>> find the answers to are (not in any particular order):
>>
>> 1) Where do I get replacement blades--(I found a quote for a 38"
>> blade--$1600, but that's it!)
>> 2) What types of blades are out there? And what are the most
>> suitable? What are their specifications?
>> 3) This particular machine has a history of being a weak cutter.
>> The motor driving the cutting head produces approximately 40hp - 50
>> hp. I have a spare (from another application) which can produce about
>> 140hp. The engine produces about 225hp, and the pump is suitable for
>> that size...would I be overtorquing the blades that are there if I
>> Aggie Engineered it with the 140hp motor? Are there blades of that
>> size (32") which can take that much hp? Or is this something that I
>> am going to have to completely rebuild for my own application? And
>> that's why I really am after technical specifications for blades, and
>> what is available. If I can find those types of specs, I can figure
>> out the rest.
>>
>
> My brother-in-law is an Ag agent in Arizona, affiliated with UA, and a
> specialist on orchards. I've met a few of his colleagues. I can't
> imagine
> that there's something in what you're wanting to do that your ag agent
> wouldn't know. Unless you're not in the United States, that is.
>
> Nearer home, there's a couple of good sharpening services I'd talk to.
> Let
> them know what you're trying to do here (it's not furniture building, is
> it?) and see what you could put together. Those folks retip and repair
> carbide blades all of the time. And they would know who does sawmill
> equipment in your region.
>
> Good luck with your experiments.
>
> Patriarch
I might check with them...but I suspect our agent is out of his scope in
regards to this.
"jbeck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "patriarch [email protected]>" <<patriarch> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "jbeck" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> I am looking at acquiring a hedger. These are machines that go
>>> through orchards, and prune and shape trees on a large scale. I know
>>> a little bit about mechanics, but I don't know jack about the big
>>> sawmill type blades. The machine I have the offer on has a little over
>>> 20' in cut, and is equipped with multiple 32" blades. The use is
>>> strictly in a cross cut type fashion. The questions I am trying to
>>> find the answers to are (not in any particular order):
>>>
>>> 1) Where do I get replacement blades--(I found a quote for a 38"
>>> blade--$1600, but that's it!)
>>> 2) What types of blades are out there? And what are the most
>>> suitable? What are their specifications?
>>> 3) This particular machine has a history of being a weak cutter.
>>> The motor driving the cutting head produces approximately 40hp - 50
>>> hp. I have a spare (from another application) which can produce about
>>> 140hp. The engine produces about 225hp, and the pump is suitable for
>>> that size...would I be overtorquing the blades that are there if I
>>> Aggie Engineered it with the 140hp motor? Are there blades of that
>>> size (32") which can take that much hp? Or is this something that I
>>> am going to have to completely rebuild for my own application? And
>>> that's why I really am after technical specifications for blades, and
>>> what is available. If I can find those types of specs, I can figure
>>> out the rest.
>>>
>>
>> My brother-in-law is an Ag agent in Arizona, affiliated with UA, and a
>> specialist on orchards. I've met a few of his colleagues. I can't
>> imagine
>> that there's something in what you're wanting to do that your ag agent
>> wouldn't know. Unless you're not in the United States, that is.
>>
>> Nearer home, there's a couple of good sharpening services I'd talk to.
>> Let
>> them know what you're trying to do here (it's not furniture building, is
>> it?) and see what you could put together. Those folks retip and repair
>> carbide blades all of the time. And they would know who does sawmill
>> equipment in your region.
>>
>> Good luck with your experiments.
>>
>> Patriarch
>
> I might check with them...but I suspect our agent is out of his scope in
> regards to this.
>
Darn, I hate double posting twice in the same thread:
This machine originated out of Arizona...I think from the area south of
Pheonix. Not sure exactly from where though. It's going to be used for
Pecan wood.
"Old Nick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 09:59:46 -0500, Silvan
> <[email protected]> vaguely proposed a theory
> ......and in reply I say!:
>
> remove ns from my header address to reply via email
>
>>Old Nick wrote:
>>
>>> This and the metalwork ng will answer just about _any_ question. While
>>> there is a lot of Grizzling (hehe) about it, one of the hottest topics
>>> here is actually social issues and politics. You _can't_ be out of
>>> place ! <G>
>>
>>And besides, a big ass home brew machine cobbled together out of random
>>parts, which spins one or more really enormous blades on the end of a
>>hydraulic arm... Sure, we're interested. :)
>
>
> Precisely and well said! <GG>
LOL:
Thanks for the reply. This thing definitely meets that criteria.
I am now the pround owner of big ass home brew machine cobbled together out
of random
parts, which spins one or more really enormous blades on the end of a
hydraulic arm.
Found a supplier for the blades from Wisconson. I still haven't educated
myself to the level I am looking to achieve on sawblades. I figure in about
a year from now I'll a bonified expert and probably completely broke from
this thing.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:05:48 -0700, "jbeck" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"jbeck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "patriarch [email protected]>" <<patriarch> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> "jbeck" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> I am looking at acquiring a hedger. These are machines that go
>>>>> through orchards, and prune and shape trees on a large scale. I know
>>>>> a little bit about mechanics, but I don't know jack about the big
>>>>> sawmill type blades. The machine I have the offer on has a little over
>>>>> 20' in cut, and is equipped with multiple 32" blades. The use is
>>>>> strictly in a cross cut type fashion. The questions I am trying to
>>>>> find the answers to are (not in any particular order):
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Where do I get replacement blades--(I found a quote for a 38"
>>>>> blade--$1600, but that's it!)
>>>>> 2) What types of blades are out there? And what are the most
>>>>> suitable? What are their specifications?
>>>>> 3) This particular machine has a history of being a weak cutter.
>>>>> The motor driving the cutting head produces approximately 40hp - 50
>>>>> hp. I have a spare (from another application) which can produce about
>>>>> 140hp. The engine produces about 225hp, and the pump is suitable for
>>>>> that size...would I be overtorquing the blades that are there if I
>>>>> Aggie Engineered it with the 140hp motor? Are there blades of that
>>>>> size (32") which can take that much hp? Or is this something that I
>>>>> am going to have to completely rebuild for my own application? And
>>>>> that's why I really am after technical specifications for blades, and
>>>>> what is available. If I can find those types of specs, I can figure
>>>>> out the rest.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My brother-in-law is an Ag agent in Arizona, affiliated with UA, and a
>>>> specialist on orchards. I've met a few of his colleagues. I can't
>>>> imagine
>>>> that there's something in what you're wanting to do that your ag agent
>>>> wouldn't know. Unless you're not in the United States, that is.
>>>>
>>>> Nearer home, there's a couple of good sharpening services I'd talk to.
>>>> Let
>>>> them know what you're trying to do here (it's not furniture building,
>>>> is
>>>> it?) and see what you could put together. Those folks retip and repair
>>>> carbide blades all of the time. And they would know who does sawmill
>>>> equipment in your region.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck with your experiments.
>>>>
>>>> Patriarch
>>>
>>> I might check with them...but I suspect our agent is out of his scope in
>>> regards to this.
>>>
>>
>>Darn, I hate double posting twice in the same thread:
>>
>>This machine originated out of Arizona...I think from the area south of
>>Pheonix. Not sure exactly from where though. It's going to be used for
>>Pecan wood.
>>
> In that case I've got another suggestion for you. Call the Arizona
> agricultural extension service. The agents there will be happy to help
> you if they can. (Since the extension services are by county, you
> probably want the Maricopa county extension service. That's the
> Phoenix area.)
>
> While there are some pecan orchards in Arizona, if the thing is from
> here it was most likely used on citrus trees originally. You might
> also look for citrus growers groups, suppliers for citrus farmers,
> etc.
>
Thanks for the reply. I could have been used in citrus originally...which
would account for the 'weak' cutting in pecan wood.
Found a supplier for the blades...I am going to attempt to run it this
season before really doing any mods, so we'll see how it goes.
"Larry Jaques" <jake@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:24:19 -0700, "jbeck" <[email protected]>
> spake the words:
>
>>Found a supplier for the blades...I am going to attempt to run it this
>>season before really doing any mods, so we'll see how it goes.
>
> You've said that 3 times now without stating the name of the source.
> What'll it take to get that outta ya, Becko?
$50.00
Information ain't cheap.
:o)
If I don't get that in about 24 hours, I'll go ahead and post the source!
"jbeck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Larry Jaques" <jake@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:24:19 -0700, "jbeck" <[email protected]>
>> spake the words:
>>
>>>Found a supplier for the blades...I am going to attempt to run it this
>>>season before really doing any mods, so we'll see how it goes.
>>
>> You've said that 3 times now without stating the name of the source.
>> What'll it take to get that outta ya, Becko?
>
> $50.00
>
> Information ain't cheap.
>
> :o)
>
> If I don't get that in about 24 hours, I'll go ahead and post the source!
>
I had a 'recommended' company from Wisconsin...that name escapes me, but is
written down in my truck (which is out of town without me). If needed, be
glad to post that name.
Aside from that:
A promising site:
Specialty Saw:
http://www.specialtysaw.com/blades/index.html
http://www.specialtysaw.com/blades/carbtippw.html
Pricing information:
http://www.specialtysaw.com/blades/carbprice.html
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 08:22:45 -0700, "jbeck" <[email protected]>
vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
>Didn't mean to be 'mysterious'. Just didn't know if I was posting in an
>appropriate newsgroup. It seemed most of this newsgroup was for hobby/craft
>type of wood working. Kind of felt out of place.
This and the metalwork ng will answer just about _any_ question. While
there is a lot of Grizzling (hehe) about it, one of the hottest topics
here is actually social issues and politics. You _can't_ be out of
place ! <G>
>
>I am looking at acquiring a hedger. These are machines that go through
>orchards, and prune and shape trees on a large scale. I know a little bit
I see you have had some leads.
On 25 Nov 2004 23:38:09 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
wrote:
>mac davis responds:
>
>>>Not sure if this is the right group for this:
>>>
>>>Where do I find information concerning specifications (types, uses,
>>>horsepower requirements) for blades in the 32" to 48" range? Primary use
>>>will be in a cross cut fashion.
>>>
>>>Just point me where to look, or proper key words for a successful google
>>>search.
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>>
>>I hope that you're talking about bandsaw blades, not saw blades...
>>unless you own a sawmill..
>
>Sawmills don't have a lot of use for crosscut blades. There are several
>companies specializing in large blades for sawmills, but they're rip blades,
>not crosscut, AFAIK.
>
>Charlie Self
>"Giving every man a vote has no more made men wise and free than Christianity
>has made them good." H. L. Mencken
that was all that came to mind when I pictured a 3 foot high saw
blade... like those old mills in the ghost towns..
"jbeck" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
<snip>
> I am looking at acquiring a hedger. These are machines that go
> through orchards, and prune and shape trees on a large scale. I know
> a little bit about mechanics, but I don't know jack about the big
> sawmill type blades. The machine I have the offer on has a little over
> 20' in cut, and is equipped with multiple 32" blades. The use is
> strictly in a cross cut type fashion. The questions I am trying to
> find the answers to are (not in any particular order):
>
> 1) Where do I get replacement blades--(I found a quote for a 38"
> blade--$1600, but that's it!)
> 2) What types of blades are out there? And what are the most
> suitable? What are their specifications?
> 3) This particular machine has a history of being a weak cutter.
> The motor driving the cutting head produces approximately 40hp - 50
> hp. I have a spare (from another application) which can produce about
> 140hp. The engine produces about 225hp, and the pump is suitable for
> that size...would I be overtorquing the blades that are there if I
> Aggie Engineered it with the 140hp motor? Are there blades of that
> size (32") which can take that much hp? Or is this something that I
> am going to have to completely rebuild for my own application? And
> that's why I really am after technical specifications for blades, and
> what is available. If I can find those types of specs, I can figure
> out the rest.
>
My brother-in-law is an Ag agent in Arizona, affiliated with UA, and a
specialist on orchards. I've met a few of his colleagues. I can't imagine
that there's something in what you're wanting to do that your ag agent
wouldn't know. Unless you're not in the United States, that is.
Nearer home, there's a couple of good sharpening services I'd talk to. Let
them know what you're trying to do here (it's not furniture building, is
it?) and see what you could put together. Those folks retip and repair
carbide blades all of the time. And they would know who does sawmill
equipment in your region.
Good luck with your experiments.
Patriarch
"jbeck" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
<snip>
>>>
>>> Good luck with your experiments.
>>>
>>> Patriarch
>>
>> I might check with them...but I suspect our agent is out of his scope
>> in regards to this.
>>
>
> Darn, I hate double posting twice in the same thread:
>
> This machine originated out of Arizona...I think from the area south
> of Pheonix. Not sure exactly from where though. It's going to be
> used for Pecan wood.
Send me a private email at gmadsen at comcast dot net, please.
Patriarch
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:05:48 -0700, "jbeck" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"jbeck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "patriarch [email protected]>" <<patriarch> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "jbeck" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> I am looking at acquiring a hedger. These are machines that go
>>>> through orchards, and prune and shape trees on a large scale. I know
>>>> a little bit about mechanics, but I don't know jack about the big
>>>> sawmill type blades. The machine I have the offer on has a little over
>>>> 20' in cut, and is equipped with multiple 32" blades. The use is
>>>> strictly in a cross cut type fashion. The questions I am trying to
>>>> find the answers to are (not in any particular order):
>>>>
>>>> 1) Where do I get replacement blades--(I found a quote for a 38"
>>>> blade--$1600, but that's it!)
>>>> 2) What types of blades are out there? And what are the most
>>>> suitable? What are their specifications?
>>>> 3) This particular machine has a history of being a weak cutter.
>>>> The motor driving the cutting head produces approximately 40hp - 50
>>>> hp. I have a spare (from another application) which can produce about
>>>> 140hp. The engine produces about 225hp, and the pump is suitable for
>>>> that size...would I be overtorquing the blades that are there if I
>>>> Aggie Engineered it with the 140hp motor? Are there blades of that
>>>> size (32") which can take that much hp? Or is this something that I
>>>> am going to have to completely rebuild for my own application? And
>>>> that's why I really am after technical specifications for blades, and
>>>> what is available. If I can find those types of specs, I can figure
>>>> out the rest.
>>>>
>>>
>>> My brother-in-law is an Ag agent in Arizona, affiliated with UA, and a
>>> specialist on orchards. I've met a few of his colleagues. I can't
>>> imagine
>>> that there's something in what you're wanting to do that your ag agent
>>> wouldn't know. Unless you're not in the United States, that is.
>>>
>>> Nearer home, there's a couple of good sharpening services I'd talk to.
>>> Let
>>> them know what you're trying to do here (it's not furniture building, is
>>> it?) and see what you could put together. Those folks retip and repair
>>> carbide blades all of the time. And they would know who does sawmill
>>> equipment in your region.
>>>
>>> Good luck with your experiments.
>>>
>>> Patriarch
>>
>> I might check with them...but I suspect our agent is out of his scope in
>> regards to this.
>>
>
>Darn, I hate double posting twice in the same thread:
>
>This machine originated out of Arizona...I think from the area south of
>Pheonix. Not sure exactly from where though. It's going to be used for
>Pecan wood.
>
In that case I've got another suggestion for you. Call the Arizona
agricultural extension service. The agents there will be happy to help
you if they can. (Since the extension services are by county, you
probably want the Maricopa county extension service. That's the
Phoenix area.)
While there are some pecan orchards in Arizona, if the thing is from
here it was most likely used on citrus trees originally. You might
also look for citrus growers groups, suppliers for citrus farmers,
etc.
--RC
Sleep? Isn't that a totally inadequate substitute for caffine?
Charlie Self wrote:
> mac davis responds:
>
>
>>>Not sure if this is the right group for this:
>>>
>>>Where do I find information concerning specifications (types, uses,
>>>horsepower requirements) for blades in the 32" to 48" range? Primary use
>>>will be in a cross cut fashion.
>>>
>>>Just point me where to look, or proper key words for a successful google
>>>search.
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I hope that you're talking about bandsaw blades, not saw blades...
>>unless you own a sawmill..
>
>
> Sawmills don't have a lot of use for crosscut blades. There are several
> companies specializing in large blades for sawmills, but they're rip blades,
> not crosscut, AFAIK.
>
> Charlie Self
> "Giving every man a vote has no more made men wise and free than Christianity
> has made them good." H. L. Mencken
And they use rip blades to cut the ends of the board off or to cut
shorter boards?
Buzz saws also use crosscut blades, 30 inch maybe larger.
George Cawthon writes:
>>
>> Sawmills don't have a lot of use for crosscut blades. There are several
>> companies specializing in large blades for sawmills, but they're rip
>blades,
>> not crosscut, AFAIK.
>>
>> Charlie Self
>> "Giving every man a vote has no more made men wise and free than
>Christianity
>> has made them good." H. L. Mencken
>And they use rip blades to cut the ends of the board off or to cut
>shorter boards?
>
>Buzz saws also use crosscut blades, 30 inch maybe larger.
No, but in general, the sawmills around here don't cut the boards to length.
They cut the LOGS to rough length with a chainsaw.
What is a buzz saw used for? You say it crosscuts. I've been hearing about
"buzz" saws my whole life and have yet to see any saw identified as such...or
for that matter find any kind of ID of such a saw in a wood or woodworking
source. Woodweb has one reference to a guy cutting 16" slabs with a "buzz" saw.
I used to buy firewood from a sawmill in upstate NY where the owner cut wood to
length on a 30" blade, though at that point in my life, I didn't know enough to
check what tip grind and other features that saw had. You might call that a
buzz saw. I'd call it a portable crosscut saw, with one helluva long support
table to the left.
Charlie Self
"Giving every man a vote has no more made men wise and free than Christianity
has made them good." H. L. Mencken
"Mark Jerde" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:qOHpd.3$Hk6.1@trnddc05...
> Charlie Self wrote:
>
> > I used to buy firewood from a sawmill in upstate NY where the owner
> > cut wood to length on a 30" blade, though at that point in my life, I
> > didn't know enough to check what tip grind and other features that
> > saw had. You might call that a buzz saw. I'd call it a portable
> > crosscut saw, with one helluva long support table to the left.
>
> A neighbor had one back in the 1970's. It was powered by a wide leather
> belt from his Ford tractor. (For the terminally curious he had a
> PTO-to-pulley attachment, the only one I've ever seen.) It cut logs into
> fireplace length extremely efficiently but that huge, exposed spinning
blade
> scared the snot out of me. I opted for jobs that kept me at least 10'
away
> from the blade & belt.
>
My dad and a neighbor made one from spare parts laying around from a sawmill
salvage job. The circular blade must have been at least 40" if not bigger.
It had a clampon file guide for sharpening. The file was at least 18" long.
It ran off a rubber belt from a PTO wheel off the side of our old
International Harvester tractor. It had a front end loader on it and he
could pick the whole thing up and drive to the neighbors with it. We could
cut up logs for firewood much faster than using a chainsaw. He would either
accept cash for his services or a percentage of the wood. The logs would
have to be cut down, yarded and limbed first.
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> George Cawthon writes:
>
> >>
> >> Sawmills don't have a lot of use for crosscut blades. There are several
> >> companies specializing in large blades for sawmills, but they're rip
> >blades,
> >> not crosscut, AFAIK.
> >>
> >> Charlie Self
> >> "Giving every man a vote has no more made men wise and free than
> >Christianity
> >> has made them good." H. L. Mencken
> >And they use rip blades to cut the ends of the board off or to cut
> >shorter boards?
> >
> >Buzz saws also use crosscut blades, 30 inch maybe larger.
>
> No, but in general, the sawmills around here don't cut the boards to
length.
> They cut the LOGS to rough length with a chainsaw.
>
> What is a buzz saw used for? You say it crosscuts. I've been hearing about
> "buzz" saws my whole life and have yet to see any saw identified as
such...or
> for that matter find any kind of ID of such a saw in a wood or woodworking
> source. Woodweb has one reference to a guy cutting 16" slabs with a "buzz"
saw.
>
> I used to buy firewood from a sawmill in upstate NY where the owner cut
wood to
> length on a 30" blade, though at that point in my life, I didn't know
enough to
> check what tip grind and other features that saw had. You might call that
a
> buzz saw. I'd call it a portable crosscut saw, with one helluva long
support
> table to the left.
Charlie, you've got the concept right! I'm posting a couple pictures on ABPW
referencing this thread. Any of these general types were called buzz saws,
and were used primarily for cross cutting wood into stove/furnace length
before chainsaws came into general use. In those days felling was done with
ax and 2 man crosscut saws, "limbing" with an ax, and logs to length with
the 2 man crosscut. Limbs were then cut for firewood with the buzz saw, logs
brought to manageable size with wedge and sledgehammer, then cut to length
with the buzz saw.
The buzz saw was one dangerous piece of machinery!(DAMHIKT)
--
Nahmie
The law of intelligent tinkering: save all the parts.
"Mark Jerde" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:qOHpd.3$Hk6.1@trnddc05...
> Charlie Self wrote:
>
> > I used to buy firewood from a sawmill in upstate NY where the owner
> > cut wood to length on a 30" blade, though at that point in my life, I
> > didn't know enough to check what tip grind and other features that
> > saw had. You might call that a buzz saw. I'd call it a portable
> > crosscut saw, with one helluva long support table to the left.
>
> A neighbor had one back in the 1970's. It was powered by a wide leather
> belt from his Ford tractor. (For the terminally curious he had a
> PTO-to-pulley attachment, the only one I've ever seen.) It cut logs into
> fireplace length extremely efficiently but that huge, exposed spinning
blade
> scared the snot out of me. I opted for jobs that kept me at least 10'
away
> from the blade & belt.
These were common for Ford tractors where the owner needed belt power.
Unbolt the PTO, bolt on the combo unit. This was also the method used by IH
"A" and "C" series tractors, although I believe they came with it "stock".
Uncle had one of those saws that mounted on the rear of the "Super A", and
then on the "Super C" when he got the larger tractor.
You're right, close to this was NOT where I preferred to work, but I was
exposed to it in the early '50's, long before OSHA became *God*. When OSHA
happened, I know many farmers who, the first time they had to replace *that*
belt or make *that* adjustment, the OSHA specified safety guard made it's
way to the scrap pile.
--
Nahmie
The law of intelligent tinkering: save all the parts.
Charlie Self wrote:
> I used to buy firewood from a sawmill in upstate NY where the owner
> cut wood to length on a 30" blade, though at that point in my life, I
> didn't know enough to check what tip grind and other features that
> saw had. You might call that a buzz saw. I'd call it a portable
> crosscut saw, with one helluva long support table to the left.
A neighbor had one back in the 1970's. It was powered by a wide leather
belt from his Ford tractor. (For the terminally curious he had a
PTO-to-pulley attachment, the only one I've ever seen.) It cut logs into
fireplace length extremely efficiently but that huge, exposed spinning blade
scared the snot out of me. I opted for jobs that kept me at least 10' away
from the blade & belt.
-- Mark
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 20:39:59 -0700, "jbeck" <[email protected]>
vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email
Why so mysterious about all of this? What are you _doing_? Timber,
firewood....?
>>>>>Where do I find information concerning specifications (types, uses,
>>>>>horsepower requirements) for blades in the 32" to 48" range? Primary
>>>>>use will be in a cross cut fashion.
>Not talking about bandsaw blades...not useable for the application.
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 09:59:46 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email
>Old Nick wrote:
>
>> This and the metalwork ng will answer just about _any_ question. While
>> there is a lot of Grizzling (hehe) about it, one of the hottest topics
>> here is actually social issues and politics. You _can't_ be out of
>> place ! <G>
>
>And besides, a big ass home brew machine cobbled together out of random
>parts, which spins one or more really enormous blades on the end of a
>hydraulic arm... Sure, we're interested. :)
Precisely and well said! <GG>
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 14:32:04 GMT, [email protected] vaguely
proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email
Not on the hooror front (and I can where that thing would look very
predatory) the most amazing thing I have watched is tree harvesting.
This machine was grabbing 120' 3' diam trees (Tassie Bluegums) and
cutting, trimming, topping and debarking them like they were
toothpicks. unbelievable. It would cut though the tree in what, under
5 seconds (?). Then trow it down abd sort of nibble its way along the
tree debranching, then ZIP 2 seconds to top the tree, theh back and
forth a couple of times through these toothed wheels to get rid of the
bark.
Actually I was considering tree farming at the time. But these
extraction companies were out for themselves to the nth, and the 24
hour per day methods, and mess they left behind was frightening to
behold. To say nothing of 4* 3' tree stumps every ten square yards,
acre after acre.
>All they have to do is shoot some footage in an orchard where it's
>operating. I've occasionally seen things like this in use in citrus
>orchards and it is flat scary just in normal operation.
>
>--RC
>
>Sleep? Isn't that a totally inadequate substitute for caffine?
>
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:34:13 -0800, "Pat"
<[email protected]> vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email
>http://www.idsconsulting.com.au/sb2.htm this is the type of machine he
>wants.
>
They should use _that_ in a horror movie! <G>
Blades like this are generally custom or semi custom made. The best thing to
do is talk to manufactures. They have engineers that will fit a blade to
your requirements.
"jbeck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Not sure if this is the right group for this:
>
> Where do I find information concerning specifications (types, uses,
> horsepower requirements) for blades in the 32" to 48" range? Primary use
> will be in a cross cut fashion.
>
> Just point me where to look, or proper key words for a successful google
> search.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>
>
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 06:32:58 +0800, Old Nick <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 14:32:04 GMT, [email protected] vaguely
>proposed a theory
>......and in reply I say!:
>
> remove ns from my header address to reply via email
>
>Not on the hooror front (and I can where that thing would look very
>predatory) the most amazing thing I have watched is tree harvesting.
>This machine was grabbing 120' 3' diam trees (Tassie Bluegums) and
>cutting, trimming, topping and debarking them like they were
>toothpicks. unbelievable. It would cut though the tree in what, under
>5 seconds (?). Then trow it down abd sort of nibble its way along the
>tree debranching, then ZIP 2 seconds to top the tree, theh back and
>forth a couple of times through these toothed wheels to get rid of the
>bark.
>
>Actually I was considering tree farming at the time. But these
>extraction companies were out for themselves to the nth, and the 24
>hour per day methods, and mess they left behind was frightening to
>behold. To say nothing of 4* 3' tree stumps every ten square yards,
>acre after acre.
These things don't take down the entire tree. They just trim off the
top and sides(?) to give a better shape for trees planted in rows and
an easier height to work.
Still pretty darned impressive.
--RC
>
>>All they have to do is shoot some footage in an orchard where it's
>>operating. I've occasionally seen things like this in use in citrus
>>orchards and it is flat scary just in normal operation.
>>
>>--RC
>>
>>Sleep? Isn't that a totally inadequate substitute for caffine?
>>
Sleep? Isn't that a totally inadequate substitute for caffine?