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>
1815. I use to work in a cable shop in high school. The big metal part is
used to make chokers for logging. These were put around logs to drag them to
where they would be loaded onto trucks.
But it is hooked up to a rope with some strange thing attached to the end of
the rope. Which makes sense. You would not be able to attach the original
end peice onto a fiber rope that was designed to go onto cable (wire rope).
Wild guess, a home made rope to move cattle. They have big enough neck that
the metal part probably wouldn't hurt them.
"Rob H." wrote
>
> Thought I would try something different and just put the answers at the
> bottom of the original post, also, after the last answer is a photo of ten
> previously posted items for you to test your memory::
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2009/12/set-317.html
>
>
I never thought that 1815 would have been used as a choker in logging with a
rope. It must been an old application, like horse or oxen logging.
I made these over forty years ago. We used molten zinc to hold the buttons
on the end of the cable. A well made choker broke before the button came
off. I understand they are swaged on the cable now.
Any idea how the button was connected to the rope? This is definitely the
weak point. Like I said, maybe for horse drawn logs. Hook up any kind of
machinery to it, it will break or the button will come off.
By the way, growing up in logging community, I am very familiar with
chokers. It was the bottom rung of the ladder in logging, the choker setter.
It was also the leading cause of death and amputations in logging at that
time.
"Rob H." wrote
>
> "Lee Michaels" wrote
>>
>> I never thought that 1815 would have been used as a choker in logging
>> with a rope. It must been an old application, like horse or oxen logging.
>>
>> I made these over forty years ago. We used molten zinc to hold the
>> buttons on the end of the cable. A well made choker broke before the
>> button came off. I understand they are swaged on the cable now.
>>
>> Any idea how the button was connected to the rope? This is definitely
>> the weak point. Like I said, maybe for horse drawn logs. Hook up any
>> kind of machinery to it, it will break or the button will come off.
>>
>> By the way, growing up in logging community, I am very familiar with
>> chokers. It was the bottom rung of the ladder in logging, the choker
>> setter. It was also the leading cause of death and amputations in logging
>> at that time.
>
>
> I think your analysis of this one is correct. Someone sent me this photo
> that they had shot at a museum, after I posted it I found out that the
> larger piece is original but the rope and other piece were added for
> display.
>
>
AHA!! I knew I was right.
Of course, working in a cable shop and actually making these things helped a
little.
Thanks for geting back to me on this Rob.
"Steve W." wrote
> Lee Michaels wrote:
>>
>> I never thought that 1815 would have been used as a choker in logging
>> with a
>> rope. It must been an old application, like horse or oxen logging.
>>
>> I made these over forty years ago. We used molten zinc to hold the
>> buttons
>> on the end of the cable. A well made choker broke before the button came
>> off. I understand they are swaged on the cable now.
>>
>> Any idea how the button was connected to the rope? This is definitely
>> the
>> weak point. Like I said, maybe for horse drawn logs. Hook up any kind of
>> machinery to it, it will break or the button will come off.
>>
>> By the way, growing up in logging community, I am very familiar with
>> chokers. It was the bottom rung of the ladder in logging, the choker
>> setter.
>> It was also the leading cause of death and amputations in logging at that
>> time.
>>
> Still is the bottom rung of the ladder. Although the newer chokers are
> easier with the open latch. But it's still real easy to lose a finger or
> get hit with a loose butt.
>
Those chokers don't stay on the logs all the time and when they become
undone or break, human flesh is often hit with devestating results.
> I agree with you that rope wouldn't handle the strain. That's why I said
> it looked like a prop in my first post.
>
Same here. I knew that a rope would hold up for about two seconds in the
woods, so I guessed a home made cattle noose made with a recycled part. It
never occurred to me that it was a display. The rope is what threw me off.
Why would they display it in an inaccurate manner?
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>
> "Rob H." wrote
>>
>> Thought I would try something different and just put the answers at the
>> bottom of the original post, also, after the last answer is a photo of
>> ten previously posted items for you to test your memory::
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2009/12/set-317.html
>>
>>
> I never thought that 1815 would have been used as a choker in logging with
> a rope. It must been an old application, like horse or oxen logging.
>
> I made these over forty years ago. We used molten zinc to hold the buttons
> on the end of the cable. A well made choker broke before the button came
> off. I understand they are swaged on the cable now.
>
> Any idea how the button was connected to the rope? This is definitely the
> weak point. Like I said, maybe for horse drawn logs. Hook up any kind of
> machinery to it, it will break or the button will come off.
>
> By the way, growing up in logging community, I am very familiar with
> chokers. It was the bottom rung of the ladder in logging, the choker
> setter. It was also the leading cause of death and amputations in logging
> at that time.
>
>
>
The young men doing this were called chokermen here. Most of the chokers I
have seen just had a steel eye spliced into the ends. I can't imagine that
flimsy thing holding a real tree, like the ones we have here in British
Columbia!
I have seen them in use here, one uncle owned a small logging company when I
was young. He took me to see his last steam donkey engine working when I was
5 years old!
Steve R.
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1813 - Hydraulic lifter from an older (or older-design) engine.
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At an educated guess, 1813 is a hydraulic lifter - a part of the valve
train in an engine.
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> "Ted Schuerzinger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 05:36:35 -0500, Rob H. wrote:
>>
>>> The New Years Eve edition of 'What is it?' has been posted:
>>
>> Not having looked at anybody else's answers:
>>
>> 1817 looks like a toaster: holds a piece of bread, and gets hung
>> over a fire to burn your toast to a crisp
>
>
>
> This item is for use by an entertainer, the two long pieces need to
> be rotated 90 degrees.
Combined with the next item, I get the feeling the "entertainer" in
question is a magician, but I can't quite tell which illusion this would
be used in.
>> 1818 is a cover for something, with the Jack of hearts being a
>> decoration. My first thought was an outlet cover for a disused
>> electric outlet/switch, but the size you list is too small for that.
>
>
>
> It's not a cover and would not be found in a hardware store. Also,
> it is made of metal.
Holds a card and leads the audience to believe the magician is showing
them a Jack of Hearts when in fact, he's going to show you another card.
Beats putting a card up your sleeve.
--
Ted S.
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Now blogging at http://justacineast.blogspot.com
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> Lee Michaels wrote:
>>> Still is the bottom rung of the ladder. Although the newer chokers are
>>> easier with the open latch. But it's still real easy to lose a finger or
>>> get hit with a loose butt.
>>>
>> Those chokers don't stay on the logs all the time and when they become
>> undone or break, human flesh is often hit with devestating results.
>>
>>> I agree with you that rope wouldn't handle the strain. That's why I said
>>> it looked like a prop in my first post.
>>>
>>
>> Same here. I knew that a rope would hold up for about two seconds in the
>> woods, so I guessed a home made cattle noose made with a recycled part.
>> It
>> never occurred to me that it was a display. The rope is what threw me
>> off.
>>
>> Why would they display it in an inaccurate manner?
>>
>
> There are a LOT of items on display in museums that are incorrect. Many
> times it's simply because they went on the word of the donor, who may
> have used the item for something entirely different than what it was
> designed/intended for. You see it a lot at farm machinery displays and
> antique shops.
>
> --
> Steve W.
Not defending this rope, but I seem to remember rope chokers being used in
helicopter logging in the TV series "Ax Men". Can't find any photos, though.
Kerry (son of two loggers)
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1813: Hydraulic lifter
1815: some sort of tie up for an animal
1816: Gambrel Used to spread open the cavity of a slaughterd pig,
Also used to hang them by.
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My guesses--none even slightly more than a guess this time:
1813 - Possibly a (deactivated) fuze for some munition
1814 - Dipstick for a tank of wonder bubble fluid? Mail or key holder
for a modest apartment building?
1815 - Doohicky that's part of a guy wire system for e.g. telephone
poles--possibly to allow two lines extending to two parts of the pole to
be attached to one single stake? If so, it was presumably intended to
be used with metal cable rather than rope as shown.
1816 - Possibly a temporary runner that could be strapped to a large
heavy thing (like a log) prior to dragging it around. It also looks
somewhat like a window prop, to hold old (non-counterweighted)
double-hung windows open, but the small range of adjustment and long
overall length make that seem unlikely.
1817 - Some sort of garment hanger or holder or former, perhaps -- maybe
for keeping a hat in proper shape during storage or transport.
1818 - Paperweight? (My first thought was an electrical box coverplate,
but there are no visible holes for the mounting screws.)
--
Andrew Erickson
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lose." -- Jim Elliot
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1815: Appears to have a (pipe) collet in it. So my guess is that it might
be used to raise or support pipe via the rope.
Bill
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>>
>> Rob
>
> 1815: Appears to have a (pipe) collet in it. So my guess is that it
> might be used to raise or support pipe via the rope.
>
> Bill
Oops, I meant couplet (pipe connector), not collet.
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>
>> The New Years Eve edition of 'What is it?' has been posted:
>
> Not having looked at anybody else's answers:
>
> 1817 looks like a toaster: holds a piece of bread, and gets hung over a
> fire to burn your toast to a crisp
This item is for use by an entertainer, the two long pieces need to be
rotated 90 degrees.
> 1818 is a cover for something, with the Jack of hearts being a
> decoration. My first thought was an outlet cover for a disused electric
> outlet/switch, but the size you list is too small for that.
It's not a cover and would not be found in a hardware store. Also, it is
made of metal.
Rob
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> Rob
>At an educated guess, 1813 is a hydraulic lifter - a part of the valve
>train in an engine.
Thanks to everyone who provided this answer, looks like it is correct.
Rob
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1814 indicates gallons of gasoline delivered from an old-fashioned pump.
There's a decent picture at
http://www.kansastravel.org/agheritagepark.htm in the picture titled
"Farm gasoline pumps and cans". It's in the tallest pump, inside the
glass at the top.
Back in the bad old days, people wanted to *see* their gasoline measured
out. The station operator would pump gasoline up into the glass and then
drain it into the container or car or whatever.
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> Rob
1813 - Hydraulic valve lifter. Looks to be from a small block. Top photo
shows it assembled incorrectly though. The push rod seat is upside down
and the inner piston retainer clip is missing.
1814 - Something similar is used at the local dam to keep track of the
opening of the gate.
1815 - Well it's a mix of parts. The large iron part looks like a cable
choker clamp used in logging. The piece in the middle looks like a pipe
nipple. The original part would be a slightly tapered swagged end on the
cable.
1816 - Looks like the item I use when butchering animals. Used to hold
the hindquarters apart by cutting slits for it to go through between the
tendons.
1817 - If it was set up just a bit different I would say it was a
marching music holder.
1818 - Looks like a decorative cover.
--
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>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 05:36:35 -0500, Rob H. wrote:
>>
>>> The New Years Eve edition of 'What is it?' has been posted:
>>
>> Not having looked at anybody else's answers:
>>
>> 1817 looks like a toaster: holds a piece of bread, and gets hung over a
>> fire to burn your toast to a crisp
>
>
> This item is for use by an entertainer, the two long pieces need to be
> rotated 90 degrees.
Harmonica holder?
>
>
>> 1818 is a cover for something, with the Jack of hearts being a
>> decoration. My first thought was an outlet cover for a disused electric
>> outlet/switch, but the size you list is too small for that.
>
>
> It's not a cover and would not be found in a hardware store. Also, it
> is made of metal.
>
>
> Rob
>
>
>
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> Rob H. wrote:
>>
>> "Ted Schuerzinger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 05:36:35 -0500, Rob H. wrote:
>>>
>>>> The New Years Eve edition of 'What is it?' has been posted:
>>>
>>> Not having looked at anybody else's answers:
>>>
>>> 1817 looks like a toaster: holds a piece of bread, and gets hung over a
>>> fire to burn your toast to a crisp
>>
>>
>> This item is for use by an entertainer, the two long pieces need to be
>> rotated 90 degrees.
>
> Harmonica holder?
Yes, that's exactly what it's for.
Rob
>> It's not a cover and would not be found in a hardware store. Also,
>> it is made of metal.
>
> Holds a card and leads the audience to believe the magician is showing
> them a Jack of Hearts when in fact, he's going to show you another card.
> Beats putting a card up your sleeve.
The playing card item was not for use by a magician. The other side is
blank, the image of the card is decorative only and is not related to the
item's function.
Rob
Lee Michaels wrote:
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>>
> 1815. I use to work in a cable shop in high school. The big metal part is
> used to make chokers for logging. These were put around logs to drag them to
> where they would be loaded onto trucks.
>
> But it is hooked up to a rope with some strange thing attached to the end of
> the rope. Which makes sense. You would not be able to attach the original
> end peice onto a fiber rope that was designed to go onto cable (wire rope).
>
> Wild guess, a home made rope to move cattle. They have big enough neck that
> the metal part probably wouldn't hurt them.
>
>
>
I didn't stop to think that the rope is for more than display.
Wouldn't a halter be a better way to move cattle? The bight appears to
be about 36". Would that go over a cow's head?
The hook was invented for dragging, but how about hoisting logs or
timbers? Wouldn't nylon be longer lasting and easier to use than wire?
1813 - Totally no clue. Possibly a mechanical oil injector
for a machine.
1814 - somehow I'm thinking ancient naval wind gage.
1815 - the context clues are good, but nothing comes to
mind.
1816 - carrying yoke, to help carry two buckets of
something, over a man's shoulders. I think it's upside down.
1817, 1818, no clue.
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That's a thought. I was thinking fuel or oil pump. Energy on
the piston moves liquid. Yours would be energetic liquid
moves the piston. Same difference.
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At an educated guess, 1813 is a hydraulic lifter - a part of
the valve
train in an engine.
The piece sticking out of the lifter is upside down - the
depression should
face up.
--
Peter DiVergilio
All the money I ever wasted was spent trying to impress
somebody who was
never going to like me anyway!
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> 1815) Looks like part of something designed for testing the breaking
> stress of rope or line. More details about the shiny metal
> piece might help. And the suggestion is that the darker part is
> not metal?
Looks like I didn't word that very well, I changed it to read "The large
metal part is about 5" long".
Rob
>1816: Gambrel Used to spread open the cavity of a slaughterd pig,
Also used to hang them by.
This is correct.
Thought I would try something different and just put the answers at the
bottom of the original post, also, after the last answer is a photo of ten
previously posted items for you to test your memory::
http://55tools.blogspot.com/2009/12/set-317.html
Rob
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>
> "Rob H." wrote
>>
>> Thought I would try something different and just put the answers at the
>> bottom of the original post, also, after the last answer is a photo of
>> ten previously posted items for you to test your memory::
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2009/12/set-317.html
>>
>>
> I never thought that 1815 would have been used as a choker in logging with
> a rope. It must been an old application, like horse or oxen logging.
>
> I made these over forty years ago. We used molten zinc to hold the buttons
> on the end of the cable. A well made choker broke before the button came
> off. I understand they are swaged on the cable now.
>
> Any idea how the button was connected to the rope? This is definitely the
> weak point. Like I said, maybe for horse drawn logs. Hook up any kind of
> machinery to it, it will break or the button will come off.
>
> By the way, growing up in logging community, I am very familiar with
> chokers. It was the bottom rung of the ladder in logging, the choker
> setter. It was also the leading cause of death and amputations in logging
> at that time.
I think your analysis of this one is correct. Someone sent me this photo
that they had shot at a museum, after I posted it I found out that the
larger piece is original but the rope and other piece were added for
display.
Rob
Lee Michaels wrote:
> "Rob H." wrote
>> Thought I would try something different and just put the answers at the
>> bottom of the original post, also, after the last answer is a photo of ten
>> previously posted items for you to test your memory::
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2009/12/set-317.html
>>
>>
> I never thought that 1815 would have been used as a choker in logging with a
> rope. It must been an old application, like horse or oxen logging.
>
> I made these over forty years ago. We used molten zinc to hold the buttons
> on the end of the cable. A well made choker broke before the button came
> off. I understand they are swaged on the cable now.
>
> Any idea how the button was connected to the rope? This is definitely the
> weak point. Like I said, maybe for horse drawn logs. Hook up any kind of
> machinery to it, it will break or the button will come off.
>
> By the way, growing up in logging community, I am very familiar with
> chokers. It was the bottom rung of the ladder in logging, the choker setter.
> It was also the leading cause of death and amputations in logging at that
> time.
>
>
>
Still is the bottom rung of the ladder. Although the newer chokers are
easier with the open latch. But it's still real easy to lose a finger or
get hit with a loose butt.
I agree with you that rope wouldn't handle the strain. That's why I said
it looked like a prop in my first post.
--
Steve W.
Lee Michaels wrote:
>> Still is the bottom rung of the ladder. Although the newer chokers are
>> easier with the open latch. But it's still real easy to lose a finger or
>> get hit with a loose butt.
>>
> Those chokers don't stay on the logs all the time and when they become
> undone or break, human flesh is often hit with devestating results.
>
>> I agree with you that rope wouldn't handle the strain. That's why I said
>> it looked like a prop in my first post.
>>
>
> Same here. I knew that a rope would hold up for about two seconds in the
> woods, so I guessed a home made cattle noose made with a recycled part. It
> never occurred to me that it was a display. The rope is what threw me off.
>
> Why would they display it in an inaccurate manner?
>
There are a LOT of items on display in museums that are incorrect. Many
times it's simply because they went on the word of the donor, who may
have used the item for something entirely different than what it was
designed/intended for. You see it a lot at farm machinery displays and
antique shops.
--
Steve W.
Lee Michaels wrote:
> "Steve W." wrote
>
>> I agree with you that rope wouldn't handle the strain. That's why I said
>> it looked like a prop in my first post.
>>
>
> Same here. I knew that a rope would hold up for about two seconds in the
> woods, so I guessed a home made cattle noose made with a recycled part. It
> never occurred to me that it was a display. The rope is what threw me off.
>
> Why would they display it in an inaccurate manner?
>
It may be accurate these days. Amsteel Blue polyethylene is
approximately as strong as steel of the same diameter, and it stretches
only slightly.
If it's 3/4" synthetic rope in the picture, it must weigh about 1/2
pound. Wire would weigh 5 pounds. The big weight savings is in the
rope from the winch to the choker. A logger can take the synthetic to
the log much faster and with less fatigue. He's less likely to slip and
fall, and jaggers won't puncture his hands. Because the synthetic can
be carried more easily, the winch operator won't have to move his
machine as much.
Synthetic rope costs more than steel and cuts easily. In field testing
in a commercial operation, researchers analyzed how synthetic ropes were
damaged, then returned to the lab to work out methods to prevent damage.
The lumberman who had used the synthetic ropes said he was eager to
use them in the future.
Chokers are a different matter because they are expendable. I'd rather
use synthetic rope than wire because the limp rope would let me tighten
the loop (as I do with chain) and step well out of the way before power
was applied. With wire, I might be tempted to reach out as the loop was
being pulled tight.
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> Rob
1813 is a hydrulic valve lifter from an automotive engine. Or a truck
engine.
1818 looks like either a tile or trivet.
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Not having looked at anybody else's answers:
1817 looks like a toaster: holds a piece of bread, and gets hung over a
fire to burn your toast to a crisp
1818 is a cover for something, with the Jack of hearts being a
decoration. My first thought was an outlet cover for a disused electric
outlet/switch, but the size you list is too small for that.
--
Ted S.
fedya at hughes dot net
Now blogging at http://justacineast.blogspot.com
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1813 -- This may be cheating, but I googled "HL 1846" and followed a few
links. There's a photo at http://tinyurl.com/ylro4wt which kind of looks
like this, so I'm going to guess it's a hydraulic cam lifter. Here's a
better picture of a similar item: http://tinyurl.com/yzgsp6c
1818 -- I was going to guess a blank for milling custom switchplates, but
it's too short.
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O.K. I fixed it so I saw this before the guesses.
Anyway -- posting from rec.crafts.metalworking as always:
1813) This looks like a hydraulic valve lifter to me. Not sure
what model of automobile engine it belongs in, but that
is what I believe it to be.
1814) Now this is an interesting thing. It almost looks like
a pendulum with rests for weights at various points along its
length. Not sure why, however, other than to get a wide range
of possible times.
1815) Looks like part of something designed for testing the breaking
stress of rope or line. More details about the shiny metal
piece might help. And the suggestion is that the darker part is
not metal? It looks like forged steel to me.
1816) Something to spread a load out over two ropes for balanced
pulling?
1817) Looks as though it clamps something (a bag perhaps) between
the spring-loaded wood piece and the metal rod, and it hangs
over something of fairly large diameter -- perhaps a beam in a
barn, or a tree limb. Not sure what the "something" might be
though.
1818) My guess for this is that it is a wall mounted light switch,
based on the size and the beveled edges. I would guess that
this is an electronic sensor -- you tap it once to turn it on,
and tap it again to turn it off.
I wonder whether it is available in all ranks and suits? If so,
then it might be used to actually input playing a game.
Now to see what others have suggested.
Enjoy,
DoN.
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