HVLP Sprayer Habor Freight?

Jim Behning <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Tractor Supply had some cheap hvlp conversion guns with metal cups. 2
> guns with different tips for pretty cheap.

You have to be careful with cheap paint spray guns. They might cause you
to waste more money in paint than the good gun cost!

I picked up one from a farm supply store that's that way. I used it once
and watched it waste about 50% of the primer I was spraying. I expect some
waste, but not 50%.

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"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Regardless of the kind of paint, tell the paint store you want
>"non-blocking". It's not unique to latex.

Good to know. Guess I just lucked out with my oil-based enamel. It is
not promoted as non-blocking, but I haven't had any problems.
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evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:


>stuff was already sold off. But he did have, still sealed in the box never
>used HVLP spray gun and compressor distributed by Rockler. Still had the
>receipt taped to the box for 78.00. He sold it to me for 40.00. It looks
>like a decent model and it has a 15' hose.

That's the one I referred to earlier in this thread. Woodcraft and
Harbor freight sell the same unit. I have been very happy with it
spraying properly thinned (a key, I have found) oil-based enamel. But
I remain skeptical of it for latex. Please report back on how it works
for you.
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On Oct 8, 2:02=A0pm, evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:

> Well gave it a whirl today and liked the results!!! =A0Sprayed the primer=
and
> now getting ready to spray the primary color. Wow what a time saver!!! Ea=
sy
> clean up to....

Hey..... good for you Rich! I hope you post another update to let us
know how you did with your finish coats.

Start a new thread if you do so I won't miss it.

Robert

In article <[email protected]>,
evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
> I wish he had told me he was selling off his stuff. I was not happy why
> he was selling but I could have used his Shaper machine and his dust
> control setup and he was getting rid of everything. It made me feel
> strange going through his stuff. I felt like a vulture. I did not
> recognize him when I first saw him, I almost asked if he was here and
> then I realized it was him. He looked bad. His two sons were there
> cleaning up and I had a chance to talk with them and they didn't give
> their dad to much longer. Said they were all going to Hawaii for a 2
> week vacation. I think it was probably the last time they would all be
> able to spend time together.

Sad :-(

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On Oct 3, 4:43 pm, evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
> I've read on here a few times about this sprayer unit and was wondering if
> it will spray latex primer and latex in general? Also if you have to thin
> it and with what?
>
> Building some cabinets and customer wants them white. I have always just
> painted them with a brush, but have been told these sprayers work great for
> this type of job.
>
> Thanks for any advice on these sprayers.
> Rich
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> "You can lead them to LINUX
> but you can't make them THINK"
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I have the one with a plastic paint container. I have tried it with
latex paint. But I will have to thin it too much in order to pass the
test -- thinning more than what the paint manufacturer has
recommended. Obviously this is not what I want to do. I end up using
a roller and brush to use up the latex paint.

If I remember this correctly, the owner manual didn't state very
clearly about whether it can work with latex paint or not -- kind of
like "you can try and it may work". I probably will use the sprayer
for oil based paint in the future, but not for latex.

Jay Chan

On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 07:48:21 -0700, evodawg <[email protected]>
wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>
>> Evo - buy the one with the metal paint cup. I think it is made in a
>> different Chiawanese factory than the all plastic one, and I believe
>> it is a two stage unit.
>>
>> Barry (who we will see after the election turmoil dies down) is
>> another finisher, and both of us have top line HVLP systems. But when
>> he primes, he uses the HF unit and says it works quite well. He also
>> told me he has used it for different enamels as well.
>>
>> With that in mind, I have directed a couple of my friends that didn't
>> want to drop a pile of cash on a heavy duty unit to buy them. They
>> love them, and one does some nice work work with unit.
>>
>> Like anything else, you will need to practice with your thinning and
>> spray pressures/patterns as it doesn't have enough power to really
>> push out some of the thicker finishes. I am pretty sure they bought
>> this one, HF # 91772.
>>
>> For $39, I think it is a steal. If it were me buying one, I would
>> also figure how to change out the hose to get a longer length if I
>> liked it. (I have a 25' length of heavy duty hose on mine, plus an 8'
>> whip).
>>
>> 7' of hose is just something to trip over unless you are spraying
>> small stuff. With a one stage unit, you can use plain garden hose to
>> make yourself a longer hose. HF also sells the quick disconnect for
>> larger hoses like that as well. See part number 65180. I have them
>> on my hoses and they work great.
>>
>> Don't forget to pick up the cleaning kit while you are there.
>>
>> Robert
>Thanks Robert, I'll copy and paste the model #'s and check it out. I've
>heard good things about these units and like you said, you can't beat the
>price.
>
>Thanks again,
>Rich
Tractor Supply had some cheap hvlp conversion guns with metal cups. 2
guns with different tips for pretty cheap.

Evo - buy the one with the metal paint cup. I think it is made in a
different Chiawanese factory than the all plastic one, and I believe
it is a two stage unit.

Barry (who we will see after the election turmoil dies down) is
another finisher, and both of us have top line HVLP systems. But when
he primes, he uses the HF unit and says it works quite well. He also
told me he has used it for different enamels as well.

With that in mind, I have directed a couple of my friends that didn't
want to drop a pile of cash on a heavy duty unit to buy them. They
love them, and one does some nice work work with unit.

Like anything else, you will need to practice with your thinning and
spray pressures/patterns as it doesn't have enough power to really
push out some of the thicker finishes. I am pretty sure they bought
this one, HF # 91772.

For $39, I think it is a steal. If it were me buying one, I would
also figure how to change out the hose to get a longer length if I
liked it. (I have a 25' length of heavy duty hose on mine, plus an 8'
whip).

7' of hose is just something to trip over unless you are spraying
small stuff. With a one stage unit, you can use plain garden hose to
make yourself a longer hose. HF also sells the quick disconnect for
larger hoses like that as well. See part number 65180. I have them
on my hoses and they work great.

Don't forget to pick up the cleaning kit while you are there.

Robert

[email protected] wrote:

> Evo - buy the one with the metal paint cup. I think it is made in a
> different Chiawanese factory than the all plastic one, and I believe
> it is a two stage unit.
>
> Barry (who we will see after the election turmoil dies down) is
> another finisher, and both of us have top line HVLP systems. But when
> he primes, he uses the HF unit and says it works quite well. He also
> told me he has used it for different enamels as well.
>
> With that in mind, I have directed a couple of my friends that didn't
> want to drop a pile of cash on a heavy duty unit to buy them. They
> love them, and one does some nice work work with unit.
>
> Like anything else, you will need to practice with your thinning and
> spray pressures/patterns as it doesn't have enough power to really
> push out some of the thicker finishes. I am pretty sure they bought
> this one, HF # 91772.
>
> For $39, I think it is a steal. If it were me buying one, I would
> also figure how to change out the hose to get a longer length if I
> liked it. (I have a 25' length of heavy duty hose on mine, plus an 8'
> whip).
>
> 7' of hose is just something to trip over unless you are spraying
> small stuff. With a one stage unit, you can use plain garden hose to
> make yourself a longer hose. HF also sells the quick disconnect for
> larger hoses like that as well. See part number 65180. I have them
> on my hoses and they work great.
>
> Don't forget to pick up the cleaning kit while you are there.
>
> Robert
Thanks Robert, I'll copy and paste the model #'s and check it out. I've
heard good things about these units and like you said, you can't beat the
price.

Thanks again,
Rich
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but you can't make them THINK"
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evodawg wrote:

> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Evo - buy the one with the metal paint cup. I think it is made in a
>> different Chiawanese factory than the all plastic one, and I believe
>> it is a two stage unit.
>>
>> Barry (who we will see after the election turmoil dies down) is
>> another finisher, and both of us have top line HVLP systems. But when
>> he primes, he uses the HF unit and says it works quite well. He also
>> told me he has used it for different enamels as well.
>>
>> With that in mind, I have directed a couple of my friends that didn't
>> want to drop a pile of cash on a heavy duty unit to buy them. They
>> love them, and one does some nice work work with unit.
>>
>> Like anything else, you will need to practice with your thinning and
>> spray pressures/patterns as it doesn't have enough power to really
>> push out some of the thicker finishes. I am pretty sure they bought
>> this one, HF # 91772.
>>
>> For $39, I think it is a steal. If it were me buying one, I would
>> also figure how to change out the hose to get a longer length if I
>> liked it. (I have a 25' length of heavy duty hose on mine, plus an 8'
>> whip).
>>
>> 7' of hose is just something to trip over unless you are spraying
>> small stuff. With a one stage unit, you can use plain garden hose to
>> make yourself a longer hose. HF also sells the quick disconnect for
>> larger hoses like that as well. See part number 65180. I have them
>> on my hoses and they work great.
>>
>> Don't forget to pick up the cleaning kit while you are there.
>>
>> Robert
> Thanks Robert, I'll copy and paste the model #'s and check it out. I've
> heard good things about these units and like you said, you can't beat the
> price.
>
> Thanks again,
> Rich
I went to the nearest Harbor Freight today and they didn't have the one I
wanted. So on the way home I stopped by a friends Woodworking Shop and
learned he had turn for the worse with his fight against cancer and it
wasn't good. So he was selling everything in his shop. Most of all the good
stuff was already sold off. But he did have, still sealed in the box never
used HVLP spray gun and compressor distributed by Rockler. Still had the
receipt taped to the box for 78.00. He sold it to me for 40.00. It looks
like a decent model and it has a 15' hose.

I wish he had told me he was selling off his stuff. I was not happy why he
was selling but I could have used his Shaper machine and his dust control
setup and he was getting rid of everything. It made me feel strange going
through his stuff. I felt like a vulture. I did not recognize him when I
first saw him, I almost asked if he was here and then I realized it was
him. He looked bad. His two sons were there cleaning up and I had a chance
to talk with them and they didn't give their dad to much longer. Said they
were all going to Hawaii for a 2 week vacation. I think it was probably the
last time they would all be able to spend time together.
A sad day
Rich


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evodawg wrote:
> evodawg wrote:
>
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> Evo - buy the one with the metal paint cup. I think it is made in
>>> a
>>> different Chiawanese factory than the all plastic one, and I
>>> believe
>>> it is a two stage unit.
>>>
>>> Barry (who we will see after the election turmoil dies down) is
>>> another finisher, and both of us have top line HVLP systems. But
>>> when he primes, he uses the HF unit and says it works quite well.
>>> He also told me he has used it for different enamels as well.
>>>
>>> With that in mind, I have directed a couple of my friends that
>>> didn't want to drop a pile of cash on a heavy duty unit to buy
>>> them. They love them, and one does some nice work work with unit.
>>>
>>> Like anything else, you will need to practice with your thinning
>>> and
>>> spray pressures/patterns as it doesn't have enough power to really
>>> push out some of the thicker finishes. I am pretty sure they
>>> bought
>>> this one, HF # 91772.
>>>
>>> For $39, I think it is a steal. If it were me buying one, I would
>>> also figure how to change out the hose to get a longer length if I
>>> liked it. (I have a 25' length of heavy duty hose on mine, plus
>>> an
>>> 8' whip).
>>>
>>> 7' of hose is just something to trip over unless you are spraying
>>> small stuff. With a one stage unit, you can use plain garden hose
>>> to make yourself a longer hose. HF also sells the quick
>>> disconnect
>>> for larger hoses like that as well. See part number 65180. I
>>> have
>>> them on my hoses and they work great.
>>>
>>> Don't forget to pick up the cleaning kit while you are there.
>>>
>>> Robert
>> Thanks Robert, I'll copy and paste the model #'s and check it out.
>> I've heard good things about these units and like you said, you
>> can't beat the price.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Rich
> I went to the nearest Harbor Freight today and they didn't have the
> one I wanted. So on the way home I stopped by a friends Woodworking
> Shop and learned he had turn for the worse with his fight against
> cancer and it wasn't good. So he was selling everything in his shop.
> Most of all the good stuff was already sold off. But he did have,
> still sealed in the box never used HVLP spray gun and compressor
> distributed by Rockler. Still had the receipt taped to the box for
> 78.00. He sold it to me for 40.00. It looks like a decent model and
> it has a 15' hose.
>
> I wish he had told me he was selling off his stuff. I was not happy
> why he was selling but I could have used his Shaper machine and his
> dust control setup and he was getting rid of everything. It made me
> feel strange going through his stuff. I felt like a vulture. I did
> not recognize him when I first saw him, I almost asked if he was
> here
> and then I realized it was him. He looked bad. His two sons were
> there cleaning up and I had a chance to talk with them and they
> didn't give their dad to much longer. Said they were all going to
> Hawaii for a 2 week vacation. I think it was probably the last time
> they would all be able to spend time together.

Sorry to hear about your friend and cancer. I hope that he gets
better and if he doesn't that he goes without too much pain.

That said, the HVLP that you have is a decent one for the price. HVLP
isn't really the ideal setup for latex, but if you gotta do it, use
the biggest tip, add some Floetrol (you can get it at Home Despot or
any decent paint store--read the label for how to use it) and thin
with water as needed, and be sure you get it on heavy enough to level
but not so heavy that it sags. You may need to do two coats.

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alexy wrote:

> evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>stuff was already sold off. But he did have, still sealed in the box never
>>used HVLP spray gun and compressor distributed by Rockler. Still had the
>>receipt taped to the box for 78.00. He sold it to me for 40.00. It looks
>>like a decent model and it has a 15' hose.
>
> That's the one I referred to earlier in this thread. Woodcraft and
> Harbor freight sell the same unit. I have been very happy with it
> spraying properly thinned (a key, I have found) oil-based enamel. But
> I remain skeptical of it for latex. Please report back on how it works
> for you.

Think from what I have read from you guys I will be using oil base paint.
Although I haven't tried oil yet, guess this is as good as anytime to start
Thanks to all that responded
Rich
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but you can't make them THINK"
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alexy wrote:

> evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Think from what I have read from you guys I will be using oil base paint.
>>Although I haven't tried oil yet, guess this is as good as anytime to
>>start Thanks to all that responded
>>Rich
>
> I think you will be happy with it. My first major (for me) project was
> a bookcase I painted with latex. It looked nice, but any book that
> stayed in one place too long would stick to the shelf (called for a
> reason unknown to me "blocking"), a common problem with latex. An
> oil-based enamel will dry to a nice hard film.
>
> A couple of pointers from my experience:
>
> 1) work with good ventilation
> 2) get a mask that filters organics, NOT just a dust mask. Relatively
> inexpensive at the borgs.
> 3) Thin, thin, thin! When spraying horizontal surfaces, it is almost
> impossible to thin too much, particularly with the sprayer you and I
> have. And remember that when the manufacturer says, for instance,
> "thin no more than 15%", the reason for that is the VOC claim. They
> need to be able to say "when used according to directions, the VOC's
> are no more than x". It does not mean that thinning more will yield
> undesirable results.
> 4) Give some time before judging your work. Oil-based enamel may dry
> dust-free in a couple of hours and dry for handling in 12 hours, but
> it is not done yet. The finish will continue to cure for at least 2-3
> days, with the finish seeming to "tighten up" on your work, becoming
> smoother. (This "tightening" also causes it to hug the surface
> tighter, seeming to suck into every little flaw you may have left when
> preparing the surface. DAMHIKT)
> 5) Try thinning with mineral spirits. It dries slower than paint
> thinner, so is a little more forgiving of bad spraying technique, and
> finish flows more easily to get a full wet coat. I understand that
> pros like to use lacquer thinner since it flashes off very fast. And I
> do that with the primer. But pros have spraying skill that I will
> never have, and I like the crutch of a slower-drying thinner.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Alex
Thanks Alex, I'll take all that under consideration. Good tips!!

Thanks to all
Rich
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Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:38:29 -0400, alexy wrote:
>
>> I think you will be happy with it. My first major (for me) project
>> was a bookcase I painted with latex. It looked nice, but any book
>> that stayed in one place too long would stick to the shelf (called
>> for a reason unknown to me "blocking"), a common problem with
>> latex.
>
> FWIW, I have some bookcases I painted with latex about 10 years ago
> and they still have the "blocking" problem. Seems the darker the
> color the more the problem occurs and persists. Since these were
> for
> a train room, I painted them Pullman green :-).

Regardless of the kind of paint, tell the paint store you want
"non-blocking". It's not unique to latex.

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alexy wrote:

> evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>stuff was already sold off. But he did have, still sealed in the box never
>>used HVLP spray gun and compressor distributed by Rockler. Still had the
>>receipt taped to the box for 78.00. He sold it to me for 40.00. It looks
>>like a decent model and it has a 15' hose.
>
> That's the one I referred to earlier in this thread. Woodcraft and
> Harbor freight sell the same unit. I have been very happy with it
> spraying properly thinned (a key, I have found) oil-based enamel. But
> I remain skeptical of it for latex. Please report back on how it works
> for you.

Well gave it a whirl today and liked the results!!! Sprayed the primer and
now getting ready to spray the primary color. Wow what a time saver!!! Easy
clean up to....

Thanks to all
Rich

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but you can't make them THINK"
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[email protected] wrote:

> On Oct 8, 2:02 pm, evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Well gave it a whirl today and liked the results!!!  Sprayed the primer
>> and now getting ready to spray the primary color. Wow what a time
>> saver!!! Easy clean up to....
>
> Hey..... good for you Rich! I hope you post another update to let us
> know how you did with your finish coats.
>
> Start a new thread if you do so I won't miss it.
>
> Robert


I'll do that. Thanks
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evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:

>I've read on here a few times about this sprayer unit and was wondering if
>it will spray latex primer and latex in general? Also if you have to thin
>it and with what?
>
>Building some cabinets and customer wants them white. I have always just
>painted them with a brush, but have been told these sprayers work great for
>this type of job.
>
>Thanks for any advice on these sprayers.
>Rich

I think they sell a couple. I have the one with a separate turbine
and sprayer, and it works great for oil-based enamel. I haven't tried
it with latex (which I wouldn't use anyway for cabinets due to the
blocking) but would not expect it to do well. I tried waterborne
acrylic, but kept getting fish-eye when I thinned it enough for the
gun.
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evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:

>Think from what I have read from you guys I will be using oil base paint.
>Although I haven't tried oil yet, guess this is as good as anytime to start
>Thanks to all that responded
>Rich

I think you will be happy with it. My first major (for me) project was
a bookcase I painted with latex. It looked nice, but any book that
stayed in one place too long would stick to the shelf (called for a
reason unknown to me "blocking"), a common problem with latex. An
oil-based enamel will dry to a nice hard film.

A couple of pointers from my experience:

1) work with good ventilation
2) get a mask that filters organics, NOT just a dust mask. Relatively
inexpensive at the borgs.
3) Thin, thin, thin! When spraying horizontal surfaces, it is almost
impossible to thin too much, particularly with the sprayer you and I
have. And remember that when the manufacturer says, for instance,
"thin no more than 15%", the reason for that is the VOC claim. They
need to be able to say "when used according to directions, the VOC's
are no more than x". It does not mean that thinning more will yield
undesirable results.
4) Give some time before judging your work. Oil-based enamel may dry
dust-free in a couple of hours and dry for handling in 12 hours, but
it is not done yet. The finish will continue to cure for at least 2-3
days, with the finish seeming to "tighten up" on your work, becoming
smoother. (This "tightening" also causes it to hug the surface
tighter, seeming to suck into every little flaw you may have left when
preparing the surface. DAMHIKT)
5) Try thinning with mineral spirits. It dries slower than paint
thinner, so is a little more forgiving of bad spraying technique, and
finish flows more easily to get a full wet coat. I understand that
pros like to use lacquer thinner since it flashes off very fast. And I
do that with the primer. But pros have spraying skill that I will
never have, and I like the crutch of a slower-drying thinner.

Good luck.

Alex
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On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:38:29 -0400, alexy wrote:

> I think you will be happy with it. My first major (for me) project was
> a bookcase I painted with latex. It looked nice, but any book that
> stayed in one place too long would stick to the shelf (called for a
> reason unknown to me "blocking"), a common problem with latex.

FWIW, I have some bookcases I painted with latex about 10 years ago and
they still have the "blocking" problem. Seems the darker the color the
more the problem occurs and persists. Since these were for a train room,
I painted them Pullman green :-).