Speaking of clamps

Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:16:33 -0600
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> But you do get what you pay for in this instance.
>
> you think you get what you pay for
>
> my bar clamps do great and i get more than what i pay for
>
>
You are preaching to the choir. I used pipes clamps for about 5 years,
then the aluminum clamps for about 15. Noe the k-body style clamps. I'll
stay with the k body clamps for daily use.

Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:14:43 -0600
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> And yet the clamp has been the gold standard for decades.
>
> maybe in your mind but you have shown you buy over priced stuff
> what ever floats your boat
> some people just are not happy unless they spend more for stuff

This is true but in my case my tools help me make money and in that light
are not over priced considering the contribution that they make.


>
> bar clamps using black pipe will always

Probably so.

On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 18:39:57 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Drew
Lawson) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>
> Electric Comet <[email protected]> writes:
>>On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 00:15:34 -0600
>>Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> OK with that comment the Stupid tattoo on your forehead is visible to
>>
>>the point is that the price for these clamps you are pushing is too high
>
>Leon, in my experience, does not push much of anything. He shares
>his honestly held views and others take them or leave them. Having
>seen pictures of some of his work, I tend to at least consider what
>he has to say (same with a few others here). That's part of why
>my recent bandsaw choice went with spending a couple hundred more
>and got the Laguna. It wasn't based *just* on his opinion, but
>that led me to sink some more time into researching the Laguna.

+1

>I don't need any more clamps just now, and don't have any k-bodies
>(just a bunch of f-style), but the details in threads like this
>will be useful if/when I'm shopping again.

I'll probably pick up a few more, if I can ever get time to get to HD.
>
>At my skill level, pipe clamps would probably be just fine. But I
>have a few around 4', and those things are heavy.

John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> dpb <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 11/04/2015 8:28 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K-body Revo clamps.
>>>
>>> I see between a 30~45% discount depending on the size of the clamp.
>> ...
>>
>> The Bessey's are nice, agreed, but I could never bring meself to spend
>> that amount of money they wanted for 'em.
>
> The Bessey's have one huge advantage, which is that you
> can clamp things that aren't quite square, and two huge
> disadvantages, which are the cost and the fact that the
> sliding head won't stay where you put it.

Are you talking about the sliding head moving when used vertically? If so,
the Jet K-body style clamps will stay in place. In case you decide to buy
that style in the future.



>
> I like to do a dry run on whatever I'm clamping, and I
> want the clamps to stay set whereever I've put them so
> all I need is a couple of turns of the handle when the
> real, "live glue" clamping is done. Can't do that with
> the Bessey's.
>
> So I have two of them, for those rare occasions when I
> need to clamp something that's not square, and all the
> rest of my clamps are Jorgensens at 1/4 the price.
> Cheaper and work better, can't beat that.
>

Jorgensen Cabinet Masters are not really less expensive than Bessey
k-bodies. Apparently you are talking about F style or pipe clamps.




> John
>

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 1:36:10 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 11/5/2015 9:15 AM, John McCoy wrote:
> > Leon <[email protected]> wrote in
> > news:[email protected]:
> >
> >> It is called stretch wrap. It is a HD version of Seran Wrap. I'm
> >> surprised your delicate electronics were not wrapped in bubble wrap.
> >
> > The currently popular practice is to stretch-wrap stuff
> > to a cardboard backer, then put it in a box with bubble
> > wrap or biodegradable peanuts or some shredded paper stuff
> > I'd call "excelsior" except no-one knows that word now-a-days.
> >
> > If you're getting a whole pallet of stuff, the boxes will
> > be stacked on the pallet and then the whole mess wrapped
> > with about 20 yards of stretch-wrap.
> >
> > John
> >
> Many years ago we used the pallet stretch wrap daily. Actually you can
> buy 6" wide rolls at HD. We always used the 20 or so inch rolls.

I always have a roll of that stuff handy. I've used it to bundle up loose
items while moving the girls from college apartment to college apartment,
like that pole lamp that can be broken down into small sections or the bed rails, etc.

It's great for keeping the lids on storage containers that are just a bit
too full and for keeping drawers/doors closed while moving furniture.

I used to use it to water proof extension cord connections for Halloween
and Christmas decorations, but I tried a different method last weekend
and it worked great:

Plug the device(s) into the extension cord, then fold the wires so that
the device cord touches the extension cord wire. (basically, make an
inverted U) Now slip a vinyl or latex glove over the plug/socket end
and tightly secure the open end around the cords with a zip tie.

As long as it positioned so that the water doesn't run towards the open
end of the glove, the plug/socket connection will stay completely dry.

Bill <[email protected]> writes:
>Leon wrote:
>> Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:16:33 -0600
>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But you do get what you pay for in this instance.
>>> you think you get what you pay for
>>>
>>> my bar clamps do great and i get more than what i pay for
>>>
>>>
>> You are preaching to the choir. I used pipes clamps for about 5 years,
>> then the aluminum clamps for about 15. Noe the k-body style clamps. I'll
>> stay with the k body clamps for daily use.
>>
>
>I think that is the "cause of dispute".

The cause of dispute is simply trolling. EC has never contributed
anything of value to this usenet newsgroup, aside from poor grammar
and sentence construction.

Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 21:31:00 -0500
> woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> If you have not used a K body type or others of similar type, you
>> might be amazed at how easy they can make getting a nice square or
>> flat glue up.
>
> have not used them
> my bar clamps do great
> tried and true
>
>> That said, there are many ways to achieve the same, but these do make
>> it easier. But the price is weight. And if you are doing a light
>> glue up, they may be a little too much. Again, there are many ways..
>> Even rubber, or wrapping.
>
> i a trying some new stretchy plastic wrap that i got recently
> it is amazing stuff
>
> it was used in a shipment of some delicate electronics parts
> it is super stretchy and clear and i tried and could not break it
> i had never seen this before
>

It is called stretch wrap. It is a HD version of Seran Wrap. I'm
surprised your delicate electronics were not wrapped in bubble wrap.

Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>On 11/4/2015 10:26 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>> Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K-body Revo clamps.
>>>
>>> I see between a 30~45% discount depending on the size of the clamp.
>>>
>>> Note the clamps are sold in pairs and the pricing is for pairs.
>>>
>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/besseykbody.html?_bta_tid=3.AIdT.CBalag.Fnlf.AWmfCQ..ArVprw.b..l.BtDZ.n...jmKphQ&_bta_c=ehb2cuwcdtkiweko67wu2acyhmxfm
>>
>> FYI, anything in the URL after the first question mark
>> character is generally not part of the URL, but rather tracking information
>> about the user who browsed to that URL (called query parameters).
>
>
>Ok, but it still take "me" to the correct place. Does that not work for
>you?
>>
>> <http://www.woodpeck.com/besseykbody.html>
>>
>> is sufficient and doesn't expose your browsing information to the
>> rest of the world.
>>
>
>Ohhhhhhh. Gotcha. So does that only expose my browsing info for that
>site or some how every where I have been regardless of web site?

Usually it's an encoded version of the search query you used
to get to that page. Generally appended by a site-specific
search function (public search engines will use the referrer header
which is standard vs. query parameters which are site specific).

On 11/4/2015 10:26 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>> Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K-body Revo clamps.
>>
>> I see between a 30~45% discount depending on the size of the clamp.
>>
>> Note the clamps are sold in pairs and the pricing is for pairs.
>>
>> http://www.woodpeck.com/besseykbody.html?_bta_tid=3.AIdT.CBalag.Fnlf.AWmfCQ..ArVprw.b..l.BtDZ.n...jmKphQ&_bta_c=ehb2cuwcdtkiweko67wu2acyhmxfm
>
> FYI, anything in the URL after the first question mark
> character is generally not part of the URL, but rather tracking information
> about the user who browsed to that URL (called query parameters).
>
> <http://www.woodpeck.com/besseykbody.html>


Interesting tip, Scott, thanks. Like "i" before "e" except after "c" it
doesn't fly with a YouTube URL but still a great tip.

"Electric Comet" wrote:

> i have looked at them in person they are nice but i had no intention
> of
> buying them

---------------------------------------------------
Nor much of anything else.

It would appear you choose to play the roll of basic s**t disturber
rather
than knowledgeable contributor.

Lew

On 11/5/2015 9:15 AM, John McCoy wrote:
> Leon <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> It is called stretch wrap. It is a HD version of Seran Wrap. I'm
>> surprised your delicate electronics were not wrapped in bubble wrap.
>
> The currently popular practice is to stretch-wrap stuff
> to a cardboard backer, then put it in a box with bubble
> wrap or biodegradable peanuts or some shredded paper stuff
> I'd call "excelsior" except no-one knows that word now-a-days.


Sure they do, John. It's the state motto of New York

Excelsior = Ever Upward (which will certainly be the case if you drop a
match in the excelsior you're speaking of<g>)

On 11/5/2015 12:36 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 11/5/2015 9:15 AM, John McCoy wrote:
>> Leon <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>

>> If you're getting a whole pallet of stuff, the boxes will
>> be stacked on the pallet and then the whole mess wrapped
>> with about 20 yards of stretch-wrap.
>>
>> John
>>
> Many years ago we used the pallet stretch wrap daily. Actually you can
> buy 6" wide rolls at HD. We always used the 20 or so inch rolls.

That stuff is worth its weight in gold. Great for many purposes and so
light weight and easy to apply. Snip, snip or a careful slice and it's
gone.

Whenever I head to the lumber yard to stock up for a project I have a
six inch roll with me. Bunch of trim boards? Stack 'em, wrap 'em, haul
'em and when you get them set near point of use just snip 'em and
they're stacked right where you want them. Much better than trying to
wrangle a stack of 10' long pick up sticks through a doorway<g>

On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 12:00:47 PM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 11:34:47 -0800 (PST)
> DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Plug the device(s) into the extension cord, then fold the wires so
> > that the device cord touches the extension cord wire. (basically,
> > make an inverted U) Now slip a vinyl or latex glove over the
> > plug/socket end and tightly secure the open end around the cords with
> > a zip tie.
>
> i guess for halloween it would be ok but how do you explain creepy hands
> laying about at xmas time
>

What is there to explain?

https://i0.wp.com/i170.photobucket.com/albums/u266/thekoolaidmom/EvilSanta400.jpg

Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Nov 2015 16:24:20 GMT
> [email protected] (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>
>> Revo clamps seem to have some nice capabilities, but I'm
>> not sure they're worth twice the price (after the woodpecker
>> discount) of the original or updated (with the tail hook)
>> K-bodies.
>
> they are definitely not worth the price no matter what they
> call them or what anyone says about them
>

OK with that comment the Stupid tattoo on your forehead is visible to all.
Trying to help you is a waste of time.

krw <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:20:27 -0800, Electric Comet
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:36:07 -0500
>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> DO you believe all clamps are exactly the same? Aren't different
>>> names for different clamps useful? I really don't care what the name
>>
>> bessey kbody revo tail hook clamp
>
> K-body is really all you need to know.

Actually k-body revo, that is the one on sale at the link I posted. Both
clamping heads/pads move.



>>
>> no idea what it means and i do not care as i will never buy them
>
> You obviously don't like good tools.
>
>> shows loss of focus at the company on what matters
>
> No, it shows how shallow you are.
>
>> I have seen it first hand and ego is involved and given precedence
>> over keeping product and market focus
>
> I bet you have, first hand.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Thanks for some tips. I have half a box of 12" wide rolls.
I used a roll on each pallet of targets I sent out. Not only was
it binding to the load but bound it to the pallet as well.

Oh the pallets had about 900 pounds of cut steel.

Martin

On 11/5/2015 1:34 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 1:36:10 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> On 11/5/2015 9:15 AM, John McCoy wrote:
>>> Leon <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> It is called stretch wrap. It is a HD version of Seran Wrap. I'm
>>>> surprised your delicate electronics were not wrapped in bubble wrap.
>>>
>>> The currently popular practice is to stretch-wrap stuff
>>> to a cardboard backer, then put it in a box with bubble
>>> wrap or biodegradable peanuts or some shredded paper stuff
>>> I'd call "excelsior" except no-one knows that word now-a-days.
>>>
>>> If you're getting a whole pallet of stuff, the boxes will
>>> be stacked on the pallet and then the whole mess wrapped
>>> with about 20 yards of stretch-wrap.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>> Many years ago we used the pallet stretch wrap daily. Actually you can
>> buy 6" wide rolls at HD. We always used the 20 or so inch rolls.
>
> I always have a roll of that stuff handy. I've used it to bundle up loose
> items while moving the girls from college apartment to college apartment,
> like that pole lamp that can be broken down into small sections or the bed rails, etc.
>
> It's great for keeping the lids on storage containers that are just a bit
> too full and for keeping drawers/doors closed while moving furniture.
>
> I used to use it to water proof extension cord connections for Halloween
> and Christmas decorations, but I tried a different method last weekend
> and it worked great:
>
> Plug the device(s) into the extension cord, then fold the wires so that
> the device cord touches the extension cord wire. (basically, make an
> inverted U) Now slip a vinyl or latex glove over the plug/socket end
> and tightly secure the open end around the cords with a zip tie.
>
> As long as it positioned so that the water doesn't run towards the open
> end of the glove, the plug/socket connection will stay completely dry.
>

On 11/5/2015 7:55 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Bill <[email protected]> writes:
>> Leon wrote:
>>> Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:16:33 -0600
>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> But you do get what you pay for in this instance.
>>>> you think you get what you pay for
>>>>
>>>> my bar clamps do great and i get more than what i pay for
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You are preaching to the choir. I used pipes clamps for about 5 years,
>>> then the aluminum clamps for about 15. Noe the k-body style clamps. I'll
>>> stay with the k body clamps for daily use.
>>>
>>
>> I think that is the "cause of dispute".
>
> The cause of dispute is simply trolling. EC has never contributed
> anything of value to this usenet newsgroup, aside from poor grammar
> and sentence construction.
>

I think also, he thinks he is happy with what he has yet in another
thread he is considering a different type clamp from HF.
I think that he is a predigest to any comment that is contradictory to
his way of thinking.
I dont't mind helping some one with a my seasoned prospective but to
discount every one's views is rude.

On 11/5/2015 7:43 PM, krw wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 16:18:15 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/5/2015 1:02 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:16:33 -0600
>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> But you do get what you pay for in this instance.
>>>>
>>>> you think you get what you pay for
>>>>
>>>> my bar clamps do great and i get more than what i pay for
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You are preaching to the choir. I used pipes clamps for about 5 years,
>>> then the aluminum clamps for about 15. Noe the k-body style clamps. I'll
>>> stay with the k body clamps for daily use.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'm not sure that pipe clamps equates to bar clamps.
>> I am thinking EC is referring to the heavy bar clamps with a pin that
>> fixes the lower jaw, and a crank that tightens the moveable acme
>> threaded jaw. They are definitely different than a pipe clamp.
>> But still , IMHO, fall short compared to the K style clamps.
>>
>> And the k style (not original bessey, unless you grind the punched down
>> area off) can be a spreader. I have used my cabinet masters many times
>> as a spreader. So I can confidently say they save me aggravation and
>> saved the day.
>>
>> My Cabinet masters were gotten on an amazing sale at Woodcraft online..
>> they announced it a week ahead, and I sat up waiting for the clock to
>> tick, as I knew they would go fast. I think I paid on average 14 -16 a
>> piece... I got 4 of the 24, 4 of the 36 and 4 of the 48...
>>
>> I have bought a few besseys and a few woodcraft copies (don't buy them)
>> they suck.. the heads twist... they look absolutely identical, except
>> for the bar, but they are not. And it is not the bar that is
>> twisting,its the head... POS
>
> I've been tempted to buy other clamps on sale but decided it would be
> better to keep all the parallel clamps the same (Besseys). This keeps
> the work level when resting on the clamps and the accessories work on
> all the clamps.
>

That is a good reason to stick with Bessey but if you don't mix "one"
with another "one" it is generally not an issue with just the clamps.
Use the same brand in pairs. If your clamps are on a work surface and
you are mixing brands Besseys tend to be smaller. It is difficult to
add a larger clamp with a higher bar if you start with Besseys.

Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K-body Revo clamps.
>
>I see between a 30~45% discount depending on the size of the clamp.
>
>Note the clamps are sold in pairs and the pricing is for pairs.
>
>http://www.woodpeck.com/besseykbody.html?_bta_tid=3.AIdT.CBalag.Fnlf.AWmfCQ..ArVprw.b..l.BtDZ.n...jmKphQ&_bta_c=ehb2cuwcdtkiweko67wu2acyhmxfm

FYI, anything in the URL after the first question mark
character is generally not part of the URL, but rather tracking information
about the user who browsed to that URL (called query parameters).

<http://www.woodpeck.com/besseykbody.html>

is sufficient and doesn't expose your browsing information to the
rest of the world.

On 11/4/2015 6:36 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 11/4/2015 9:28 AM, Leon wrote:
>> Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K-body Revo clamps.
>>
>> I see between a 30~45% discount depending on the size of the clamp.
>>
>> Note the clamps are sold in pairs and the pricing is for pairs.
>>
>> http://www.woodpeck.com/besseykbody.html?_bta_tid=3.AIdT.CBalag.Fnlf.AWmfCQ..ArVprw.b..l.BtDZ.n...jmKphQ&_bta_c=ehb2cuwcdtkiweko67wu2acyhmxfm
>>
>>
>
> Doesn't look like a sale to me. Those are close to normal prices.
> Around here they can be had for about $34 -38 a piece.
> So it's a minor sale.
>


Up until very recently K bodies have started at $55.00 and go up.
Including Amazon, Woodcraft, Rockler. They used to be those prices, $30
range a couple of years ago but not lately.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_11?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=bessey+revo+k-body+clamps&sprefix=bessey+revo%2Caps%2C171

Scroll to bottom of page

http://www.woodcraft.com/search2/search.aspx?query=revo

On 11/4/2015 12:25 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>> On 11/4/2015 10:26 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>>> Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K-body Revo clamps.
>>>>
>>>> I see between a 30~45% discount depending on the size of the clamp.
>>>>
>>>> Note the clamps are sold in pairs and the pricing is for pairs.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/besseykbody.html?_bta_tid=3.AIdT.CBalag.Fnlf.AWmfCQ..ArVprw.b..l.BtDZ.n...jmKphQ&_bta_c=ehb2cuwcdtkiweko67wu2acyhmxfm
>>>
>>> FYI, anything in the URL after the first question mark
>>> character is generally not part of the URL, but rather tracking information
>>> about the user who browsed to that URL (called query parameters).
>>
>>
>> Ok, but it still take "me" to the correct place. Does that not work for
>> you?
>>>
>>> <http://www.woodpeck.com/besseykbody.html>
>>>
>>> is sufficient and doesn't expose your browsing information to the
>>> rest of the world.
>>>
>>
>> Ohhhhhhh. Gotcha. So does that only expose my browsing info for that
>> site or some how every where I have been regardless of web site?
>
> Usually it's an encoded version of the search query you used
> to get to that page. Generally appended by a site-specific
> search function (public search engines will use the referrer header
> which is standard vs. query parameters which are site specific).
>


OK. Thanks

It would be rough to bend an iron or steel pipe in compression
mode unless you used excessive force, or used cheap pipe.

Martin

On 11/6/2015 11:05 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 20:33:08 -0500
> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The bar bends and the jaws are far from parallel. The jaws don't bite
>> into the pipe and slip. No thank you! I threw all my pipe clamps out
>> years ago.
>
> the pipes too or just the clamps
>
>
> also take note of the use of bar and pipe which are different
> made this mistake myself
>
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On 11/4/2015 9:28 AM, Leon wrote:
> Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K-body Revo clamps.
>
> I see between a 30~45% discount depending on the size of the clamp.
>
> Note the clamps are sold in pairs and the pricing is for pairs.
>
> http://www.woodpeck.com/besseykbody.html?_bta_tid=3.AIdT.CBalag.Fnlf.AWmfCQ..ArVprw.b..l.BtDZ.n...jmKphQ&_bta_c=ehb2cuwcdtkiweko67wu2acyhmxfm
>

Doesn't look like a sale to me. Those are close to normal prices.
Around here they can be had for about $34 -38 a piece.
So it's a minor sale.

--
Jeff

On 11/4/2015 8:12 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:20:27 -0600
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> No need to be suspicious, they have been around and proven themselves
>> long before you showed up.
>
> maybe so but i find the name funny and it is afterall just a clamp
>
> i have looked at them in person they are nice but i had no intention of
> buying them
>
>

If you have not used a K body type or others of similar type, you might
be amazed at how easy they can make getting a nice square or flat glue up.

That said, there are many ways to achieve the same, but these do make it
easier. But the price is weight. And if you are doing a light glue up,
they may be a little too much. Again, there are many ways.. Even rubber,
or wrapping.

nuff said.


--
Jeff

On 11/4/2015 9:21 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 11/4/2015 6:36 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>> On 11/4/2015 9:28 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K-body Revo clamps.
>>>
>>> I see between a 30~45% discount depending on the size of the clamp.
>>>
>>> Note the clamps are sold in pairs and the pricing is for pairs.
>>>
>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/besseykbody.html?_bta_tid=3.AIdT.CBalag.Fnlf.AWmfCQ..ArVprw.b..l.BtDZ.n...jmKphQ&_bta_c=ehb2cuwcdtkiweko67wu2acyhmxfm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Doesn't look like a sale to me. Those are close to normal prices.
>> Around here they can be had for about $34 -38 a piece.
>> So it's a minor sale.
>>
>
>
> Up until very recently K bodies have started at $55.00 and go up.
> Including Amazon, Woodcraft, Rockler. They used to be those prices, $30
> range a couple of years ago but not lately.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_11?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=bessey+revo+k-body+clamps&sprefix=bessey+revo%2Caps%2C171
>
>
> Scroll to bottom of page
>
> http://www.woodcraft.com/search2/search.aspx?query=revo

I looked a few weeks ago, and they were. But maybe just good timing.

--
Jeff

On 11/5/2015 7:34 PM, krw wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 23:47:31 -0600, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:20:27 -0800, Electric Comet
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:36:07 -0500
>>>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> DO you believe all clamps are exactly the same? Aren't different
>>>>> names for different clamps useful? I really don't care what the name
>>>>
>>>> bessey kbody revo tail hook clamp
>>>
>>> K-body is really all you need to know.
>>
>> Actually k-body revo, that is the one on sale at the link I posted. Both
>> clamping heads/pads move.
>>
> Don't believe I've ever seen a non-"revo" version.

You are right, I was confused. I think all current Bessey regular sized
K-body clamps are Revo.

But the ones, on sale, that I pointed out are all of the double moving
head variety vs. with the ones with a fixed end.

On 11/4/2015 8:32 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 11/4/2015 9:21 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 11/4/2015 6:36 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>>> On 11/4/2015 9:28 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>> Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K-body Revo clamps.
>>>>
>>>> I see between a 30~45% discount depending on the size of the clamp.
>>>>
>>>> Note the clamps are sold in pairs and the pricing is for pairs.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/besseykbody.html?_bta_tid=3.AIdT.CBalag.Fnlf.AWmfCQ..ArVprw.b..l.BtDZ.n...jmKphQ&_bta_c=ehb2cuwcdtkiweko67wu2acyhmxfm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Doesn't look like a sale to me. Those are close to normal prices.
>>> Around here they can be had for about $34 -38 a piece.
>>> So it's a minor sale.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Up until very recently K bodies have started at $55.00 and go up.
>> Including Amazon, Woodcraft, Rockler. They used to be those prices, $30
>> range a couple of years ago but not lately.
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_11?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=bessey+revo+k-body+clamps&sprefix=bessey+revo%2Caps%2C171
>>
>>
>>
>> Scroll to bottom of page
>>
>> http://www.woodcraft.com/search2/search.aspx?query=revo
>
> I looked a few weeks ago, and they were. But maybe just good timing.
>


It seems that there was perpetration for a big sale, I noted woodcraft
loading up on pairs of clamps but had not yet dropped the price. A few
places are putting them on sale. A method used by some retailers is to
buy at a special price, which is intended to be passed on the customer,
but they just sell for regular price and a greater profit but at a
reduced volume while those passing the saving on to the customer get the
sales.

Electric Comet <[email protected]> writes:
>On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 08:28:42 -0600
>Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K-body Revo clamps.
>
>name sounds too fancy for a clamp
>makes me very suspicious

You obviously haven't ever used a K-body clamp. The older
K-body clamps (pre-Revo) are excellent clamps. The new
Revo clamps seem to have some nice capabilities, but I'm
not sure they're worth twice the price (after the woodpecker
discount) of the original or updated (with the tail hook)
K-bodies.

On 11/4/2015 10:05 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 08:28:42 -0600
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K-body Revo clamps.
>
> name sounds too fancy for a clamp
> makes me very suspicious
>

No need to be suspicious, they have been around and proven themselves
long before you showed up.

On 11/4/2015 5:49 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Nov 2015 16:24:20 GMT
> [email protected] (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>
>> You obviously haven't ever used a K-body clamp. The older
>> K-body clamps (pre-Revo) are excellent clamps. The new
>> Revo clamps seem to have some nice capabilities, but I'm
>> not sure they're worth twice the price (after the woodpecker
>> discount) of the original or updated (with the tail hook)
>> K-bodies.
>
> but it is still a clamp and those marketers got ahold and decided the
> needed a fancy name and therefore losing focus on the main intent

Partial marketing, charge what the market will pay. They would be
fool's to not try. They are in business to make money and probably
doing quite well. Just like Festool, not for every one.


>
> they may be good but i still get wary when a clamp is no longer called
> a clamp

But it is called a clamp, Bessey K-Body clamp. The name is the brand,
style clamp, and what it is. Just like Jorgensen Cabinet Master
Clamps. Even the aluminum clamps you are looking at HF have a name
other than "clamp".

dpb <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

> On 11/04/2015 8:28 AM, Leon wrote:
>> Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K-body Revo clamps.
>>
>> I see between a 30~45% discount depending on the size of the clamp.
> ...
>
> The Bessey's are nice, agreed, but I could never bring meself to spend
> that amount of money they wanted for 'em.

The Bessey's have one huge advantage, which is that you
can clamp things that aren't quite square, and two huge
disadvantages, which are the cost and the fact that the
sliding head won't stay where you put it.

I like to do a dry run on whatever I'm clamping, and I
want the clamps to stay set whereever I've put them so
all I need is a couple of turns of the handle when the
real, "live glue" clamping is done. Can't do that with
the Bessey's.

So I have two of them, for those rare occasions when I
need to clamp something that's not square, and all the
rest of my clamps are Jorgensens at 1/4 the price.
Cheaper and work better, can't beat that.

John

Leon <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:

>> The Bessey's have one huge advantage, which is that you
>> can clamp things that aren't quite square, and two huge
>> disadvantages, which are the cost and the fact that the
>> sliding head won't stay where you put it.
>
> Are you talking about the sliding head moving when used vertically?

Yes, except I'm actually talking about the sliding head
moving when I pick the clamp up (which, depending on
where it is, where it's going, and whether I use one
hand or two to pick it up, will have some angle from
horizontal).

> If so, the Jet K-body style clamps will stay in place. In case you
> decide to buy that style in the future.

Worth knowing. Thanks.

>> So I have two of them, for those rare occasions when I
>> need to clamp something that's not square, and all the
>> rest of my clamps are Jorgensens at 1/4 the price.
>> Cheaper and work better, can't beat that.
>
> Jorgensen Cabinet Masters are not really less expensive than Bessey
> k-bodies. Apparently you are talking about F style or pipe clamps.

Yes, the latter (either, depending on what's being clamped).
For most purposes they work just fine. There's some cases
where a K-body style clamp is the only thing that works,
but they're pretty uncommon situations.

John

Leon <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> It is called stretch wrap. It is a HD version of Seran Wrap. I'm
> surprised your delicate electronics were not wrapped in bubble wrap.

The currently popular practice is to stretch-wrap stuff
to a cardboard backer, then put it in a box with bubble
wrap or biodegradable peanuts or some shredded paper stuff
I'd call "excelsior" except no-one knows that word now-a-days.

If you're getting a whole pallet of stuff, the boxes will
be stacked on the pallet and then the whole mess wrapped
with about 20 yards of stretch-wrap.

John

[email protected] (Scott Lurndal) wrote in news:k8J_x.134$eK.110
@fx11.iad:

> And if it were called a "cramp", instead, would you still be wary?

Hey! No speaking English allowed here...

:-)

John

On 11/4/2015 10:26 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>> Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K-body Revo clamps.
>>
>> I see between a 30~45% discount depending on the size of the clamp.
>>
>> Note the clamps are sold in pairs and the pricing is for pairs.
>>
>> http://www.woodpeck.com/besseykbody.html?_bta_tid=3.AIdT.CBalag.Fnlf.AWmfCQ..ArVprw.b..l.BtDZ.n...jmKphQ&_bta_c=ehb2cuwcdtkiweko67wu2acyhmxfm
>
> FYI, anything in the URL after the first question mark
> character is generally not part of the URL, but rather tracking information
> about the user who browsed to that URL (called query parameters).


Ok, but it still take "me" to the correct place. Does that not work for
you?
>
> <http://www.woodpeck.com/besseykbody.html>
>
> is sufficient and doesn't expose your browsing information to the
> rest of the world.
>

Ohhhhhhh. Gotcha. So does that only expose my browsing info for that
site or some how every where I have been regardless of web site?

On 11/4/2015 7:12 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:20:27 -0600
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> No need to be suspicious, they have been around and proven themselves
>> long before you showed up.
>
> maybe so but i find the name funny and it is afterall just a clamp

Funny like Electric Comet?


>
> i have looked at them in person they are nice but i had no intention of
> buying them

That is not a problem, most people don't buy Rolex watches either. But
you do get what you pay for in this instance.

On 11/4/2015 7:20 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:36:07 -0500
> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> DO you believe all clamps are exactly the same? Aren't different
>> names for different clamps useful? I really don't care what the name
>
> bessey kbody revo tail hook clamp

You left out plastic, steel and aluminum. Jeez are you really this slow
to catch on?

>
> no idea what it means and i do not care as i will never buy them


Good more for us. ;~)
>
> shows loss of focus at the company on what matters

And yet the clamp has been the gold standard for decades.


>
> i have seen it first hand and ego is involved and given precedence
> over keeping product and market focus

Again, ignorance and or lack of experience.

On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:05:47 -0800, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 20:33:08 -0500
>krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The bar bends and the jaws are far from parallel. The jaws don't bite
>> into the pipe and slip. No thank you! I threw all my pipe clamps out
>> years ago.
>
>the pipes too or just the clamps

Of course the pipes too. What good is one piece without the other?
>
>also take note of the use of bar and pipe which are different
>made this mistake myself
>
You said pipe clamp. I assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that you knew
what you were talking about.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 20:20:22 -0600, Martin Eastburn
<[email protected]> wrote:

>It would be rough to bend an iron or steel pipe in compression
>mode unless you used excessive force, or used cheap pipe.

Cheap black pipe? The stuff *does* bend. Horrible clamps.

>
>Martin
>
>On 11/6/2015 11:05 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 20:33:08 -0500
>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> The bar bends and the jaws are far from parallel. The jaws don't bite
>>> into the pipe and slip. No thank you! I threw all my pipe clamps out
>>> years ago.
>>
>> the pipes too or just the clamps
>>
>>
>> also take note of the use of bar and pipe which are different
>> made this mistake myself
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

On 11/5/2015 3:20 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 11/5/2015 4:18 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>> On 11/5/2015 1:02 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:16:33 -0600
>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> But you do get what you pay for in this instance.
>>>>
>>>> you think you get what you pay for
>>>>
>>>> my bar clamps do great and i get more than what i pay for
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You are preaching to the choir. I used pipes clamps for about 5 years,
>>> then the aluminum clamps for about 15. Noe the k-body style clamps.
>>> I'll
>>> stay with the k body clamps for daily use.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'm not sure that pipe clamps equates to bar clamps.
>> I am thinking EC is referring to the heavy bar clamps with a pin that
>> fixes the lower jaw, and a crank that tightens the moveable acme
>> threaded jaw. They are definitely different than a pipe clamp.
>> But still , IMHO, fall short compared to the K style clamps.
>>
>> And the k style (not original bessey, unless you grind the punched down
>> area off) can be a spreader. I have used my cabinet masters many times
>> as a spreader. So I can confidently say they save me aggravation and
>> saved the day.
>>
>> My Cabinet masters were gotten on an amazing sale at Woodcraft online..
>> they announced it a week ahead, and I sat up waiting for the clock to
>> tick, as I knew they would go fast. I think I paid on average 14 -16 a
>> piece... I got 4 of the 24, 4 of the 36 and 4 of the 48...
>>
>> I have bought a few besseys and a few woodcraft copies (don't buy them)
>> they suck.. the heads twist... they look absolutely identical, except
>> for the bar, but they are not. And it is not the bar that is
>> twisting,its the head... POS
>>
> Damn, I just saw where EC referred to a bar clamp as a pipe clamp.
> So, we are not referring to the superior beam style bar clamp.
>
>
;~) Yeah, FWIW I call think of my pipe clamps as bar clamps too.

On 11/5/2015 3:18 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 11/5/2015 1:02 AM, Leon wrote:
>> Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:16:33 -0600
>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But you do get what you pay for in this instance.
>>>
>>> you think you get what you pay for
>>>
>>> my bar clamps do great and i get more than what i pay for
>>>
>>>
>> You are preaching to the choir. I used pipes clamps for about 5 years,
>> then the aluminum clamps for about 15. Noe the k-body style clamps.
>> I'll
>> stay with the k body clamps for daily use.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I'm not sure that pipe clamps equates to bar clamps.
> I am thinking EC is referring to the heavy bar clamps with a pin that
> fixes the lower jaw, and a crank that tightens the moveable acme
> threaded jaw. They are definitely different than a pipe clamp.
> But still , IMHO, fall short compared to the K style clamps.

That may be true but in another part of the thread IIRC he mentioned the
pipe clamps.



>
> And the k style (not original bessey, unless you grind the punched down
> area off) can be a spreader. I have used my cabinet masters many times
> as a spreader. So I can confidently say they save me aggravation and
> saved the day.

Yes! That is why I went with Cabinet Master over the original Bessey
K-Bodys. That and the moveable foot on the end, and the larger clamping
surface. And now if you combine 2 clamps, to make a longer one, you
have to remove one of the moveable heads so that it will not be in the way.

>
> My Cabinet masters were gotten on an amazing sale at Woodcraft online..
> they announced it a week ahead, and I sat up waiting for the clock to
> tick, as I knew they would go fast. I think I paid on average 14 -16 a
> piece... I got 4 of the 24, 4 of the 36 and 4 of the 48...

I got mine during the period when they had aluminum bodies on the screw
end. BUT shortly after that Jorgensen dropped the aluminum and used
steel. I found a place that was clearing out the aluminum styles and I
got a heck of a deal, similar to yours. Then all the ones with aluminum
heads began to break. With a life time warranty Jorgensen replaced all
12 of my aluminum heads with steel replacements.


>
> I have bought a few besseys and a few woodcraft copies (don't buy them)
> they suck.. the heads twist... they look absolutely identical, except
> for the bar, but they are not. And it is not the bar that is
> twisting,its the head... POS
>
I have 7 Bessey Revo K-Bodies. I am disappointed that they are not as
durable as the Cabinet Masters. I have dropped both onto concrete
floors and the Besseys always get battle wounds, not the Cabinet
Masters. I am also disappointed that Bessey did not use a moveable
foot. And as I have mentioned earlier my 2 Jet K-style clamps leave
impressions on the project. And being truthful the Jets acme threads
seem to be chrome plated and to not feel as smooth as the Bessey or
Cabinet Masters.

On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 21:22:26 -0800, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Wed, 04 Nov 2015 21:39:48 -0500
>krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> You obviously don't like good tools.
>
>you obviously like over priced tools

No, I like tools that work. Better tools do usually cost more.
>
>> No, it shows how shallow you are.
>
>too many meds today for you better check your prescrip
>i hear warfarin is often over prescribed maybe that is you
>

No, I just stated the obvious.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

On Fri, 06 Nov 2015 18:40:25 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

>krw <[email protected]> writes:
>>On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:05:47 -0800, Electric Comet
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 20:33:08 -0500
>>>krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The bar bends and the jaws are far from parallel. The jaws don't bite
>>>> into the pipe and slip. No thank you! I threw all my pipe clamps out
>>>> years ago.
>>>
>>>the pipes too or just the clamps
>>
>>Of course the pipes too. What good is one piece without the other?
>
>If you have a pipe cutter and a hand threader, the pipe can still
>be useful. Black or galvy.

For what? A boat anchor? All they were going to do is cost me more
money when I moved.

On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 21:24:57 -0800, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:14:43 -0600
>Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> And yet the clamp has been the gold standard for decades.
>
>maybe in your mind but you have shown you buy over priced stuff
>what ever floats your boat
>some people just are not happy unless they spend more for stuff
>
>bar clamps using black pipe will always be my gold standard
>
The bar bends and the jaws are far from parallel. The jaws don't bite
into the pipe and slip. No thank you! I threw all my pipe clamps out
years ago.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

krw <[email protected]> writes:
>On Fri, 06 Nov 2015 18:40:25 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
>wrote:
>
>>krw <[email protected]> writes:
>>>On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:05:47 -0800, Electric Comet
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 20:33:08 -0500
>>>>krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The bar bends and the jaws are far from parallel. The jaws don't bite
>>>>> into the pipe and slip. No thank you! I threw all my pipe clamps out
>>>>> years ago.
>>>>
>>>>the pipes too or just the clamps
>>>
>>>Of course the pipes too. What good is one piece without the other?
>>
>>If you have a pipe cutter and a hand threader, the pipe can still
>>be useful. Black or galvy.
>
>For what? A boat anchor? All they were going to do is cost me more
>money when I moved.

I've used old pipe for plumbing repair, handrails, gas-line repair, etc.

YMMV.

On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:20:27 -0800, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:36:07 -0500
>krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> DO you believe all clamps are exactly the same? Aren't different
>> names for different clamps useful? I really don't care what the name
>
>bessey kbody revo tail hook clamp

K-body is really all you need to know.
>
>no idea what it means and i do not care as i will never buy them

You obviously don't like good tools.

>shows loss of focus at the company on what matters

No, it shows how shallow you are.

>I have seen it first hand and ego is involved and given precedence
>over keeping product and market focus

I bet you have, first hand.
>
>
>
>
>
>

On 11/5/2015 4:18 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 11/5/2015 1:02 AM, Leon wrote:
>> Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:16:33 -0600
>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But you do get what you pay for in this instance.
>>>
>>> you think you get what you pay for
>>>
>>> my bar clamps do great and i get more than what i pay for
>>>
>>>
>> You are preaching to the choir. I used pipes clamps for about 5 years,
>> then the aluminum clamps for about 15. Noe the k-body style clamps.
>> I'll
>> stay with the k body clamps for daily use.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I'm not sure that pipe clamps equates to bar clamps.
> I am thinking EC is referring to the heavy bar clamps with a pin that
> fixes the lower jaw, and a crank that tightens the moveable acme
> threaded jaw. They are definitely different than a pipe clamp.
> But still , IMHO, fall short compared to the K style clamps.
>
> And the k style (not original bessey, unless you grind the punched down
> area off) can be a spreader. I have used my cabinet masters many times
> as a spreader. So I can confidently say they save me aggravation and
> saved the day.
>
> My Cabinet masters were gotten on an amazing sale at Woodcraft online..
> they announced it a week ahead, and I sat up waiting for the clock to
> tick, as I knew they would go fast. I think I paid on average 14 -16 a
> piece... I got 4 of the 24, 4 of the 36 and 4 of the 48...
>
> I have bought a few besseys and a few woodcraft copies (don't buy them)
> they suck.. the heads twist... they look absolutely identical, except
> for the bar, but they are not. And it is not the bar that is
> twisting,its the head... POS
>
Damn, I just saw where EC referred to a bar clamp as a pipe clamp.
So, we are not referring to the superior beam style bar clamp.


--
Jeff

On 11/5/2015 1:02 AM, Leon wrote:
> Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:16:33 -0600
>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>>> But you do get what you pay for in this instance.
>>
>> you think you get what you pay for
>>
>> my bar clamps do great and i get more than what i pay for
>>
>>
> You are preaching to the choir. I used pipes clamps for about 5 years,
> then the aluminum clamps for about 15. Noe the k-body style clamps. I'll
> stay with the k body clamps for daily use.
>
>
>

I'm not sure that pipe clamps equates to bar clamps.
I am thinking EC is referring to the heavy bar clamps with a pin that
fixes the lower jaw, and a crank that tightens the moveable acme
threaded jaw. They are definitely different than a pipe clamp.
But still , IMHO, fall short compared to the K style clamps.

And the k style (not original bessey, unless you grind the punched down
area off) can be a spreader. I have used my cabinet masters many times
as a spreader. So I can confidently say they save me aggravation and
saved the day.

My Cabinet masters were gotten on an amazing sale at Woodcraft online..
they announced it a week ahead, and I sat up waiting for the clock to
tick, as I knew they would go fast. I think I paid on average 14 -16 a
piece... I got 4 of the 24, 4 of the 36 and 4 of the 48...

I have bought a few besseys and a few woodcraft copies (don't buy them)
they suck.. the heads twist... they look absolutely identical, except
for the bar, but they are not. And it is not the bar that is
twisting,its the head... POS

--
Jeff

Electric Comet <[email protected]> writes:
>On Wed, 04 Nov 2015 16:24:20 GMT
>[email protected] (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>
>> You obviously haven't ever used a K-body clamp. The older
>> K-body clamps (pre-Revo) are excellent clamps. The new
>> Revo clamps seem to have some nice capabilities, but I'm
>> not sure they're worth twice the price (after the woodpecker
>> discount) of the original or updated (with the tail hook)
>> K-bodies.
>
>but it is still a clamp and those marketers got ahold and decided the
>needed a fancy name and therefore losing focus on the main intent
>
>they may be good but i still get wary when a clamp is no longer called
>a clamp
>

And if it were called a "cramp", instead, would you still be wary?

On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 15:49:01 -0800, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Wed, 04 Nov 2015 16:24:20 GMT
>[email protected] (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>
>> You obviously haven't ever used a K-body clamp. The older
>> K-body clamps (pre-Revo) are excellent clamps. The new
>> Revo clamps seem to have some nice capabilities, but I'm
>> not sure they're worth twice the price (after the woodpecker
>> discount) of the original or updated (with the tail hook)
>> K-bodies.
>
>but it is still a clamp and those marketers got ahold and decided the
>needed a fancy name and therefore losing focus on the main intent
>
>they may be good but i still get wary when a clamp is no longer called
>a clamp

DO you believe all clamps are exactly the same? Aren't different
names for different clamps useful? I really don't care what the name
is, as long as it's useful to describe the widget.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:17:36 -0800, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 06 Nov 2015 12:52:57 -0500
>krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >> The bar bends and the jaws are far from parallel. The jaws don't
>> >> bite into the pipe and slip. No thank you! I threw all my pipe
>> >> clamps out years ago.
>
>> Of course the pipes too. What good is one piece without the other?
>
>that trash could be treasure for some

I highly doubt it. I dragged them around with me much too long as it
was.

>throwing away perfectly good tools is not something i have seen often
>but would like to see often from others so i can grab them
>
"Pipe clamp" and "perfectly good tool" doesn't belong in the same
sentence.

>
>
>
>
>
>

On 11/4/2015 9:28 AM, Leon wrote:
> Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K-body Revo clamps.
>
> I see between a 30~45% discount depending on the size of the clamp.
>
> Note the clamps are sold in pairs and the pricing is for pairs.
>
> http://www.woodpeck.com/besseykbody.html?_bta_tid=3.AIdT.CBalag.Fnlf.AWmfCQ..ArVprw.b..l.BtDZ.n...jmKphQ&_bta_c=ehb2cuwcdtkiweko67wu2acyhmxfm
>
Looks like HD has them for about the same.

On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 08:28:42 -0600
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

> Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K-body Revo clamps.

name sounds too fancy for a clamp
makes me very suspicious

On 11/04/2015 8:28 AM, Leon wrote:
> Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K-body Revo clamps.
>
> I see between a 30~45% discount depending on the size of the clamp.
...

The Bessey's are nice, agreed, but I could never bring meself to spend
that amount of money they wanted for 'em.

Of course, all the bar clamps are now outrageously priced, too, it
seems; glad I acquired the collection I did when and how I did and don't
do enough work to require more any longer...

--

On Wed, 04 Nov 2015 16:24:20 GMT
[email protected] (Scott Lurndal) wrote:

> You obviously haven't ever used a K-body clamp. The older
> K-body clamps (pre-Revo) are excellent clamps. The new
> Revo clamps seem to have some nice capabilities, but I'm
> not sure they're worth twice the price (after the woodpecker
> discount) of the original or updated (with the tail hook)
> K-bodies.

but it is still a clamp and those marketers got ahold and decided the
needed a fancy name and therefore losing focus on the main intent

they may be good but i still get wary when a clamp is no longer called
a clamp

On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:20:27 -0600
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

> No need to be suspicious, they have been around and proven themselves
> long before you showed up.

maybe so but i find the name funny and it is afterall just a clamp

i have looked at them in person they are nice but i had no intention of
buying them

On Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:36:07 -0500
krw <[email protected]> wrote:

> DO you believe all clamps are exactly the same? Aren't different
> names for different clamps useful? I really don't care what the name

bessey kbody revo tail hook clamp

no idea what it means and i do not care as i will never buy them

shows loss of focus at the company on what matters

i have seen it first hand and ego is involved and given precedence
over keeping product and market focus

Electric Comet wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:36:07 -0500
> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> DO you believe all clamps are exactly the same? Aren't different
>> names for different clamps useful? I really don't care what the name
> bessey kbody revo tail hook clamp
>
> no idea what it means and i do not care as i will never buy them
>
> shows loss of focus at the company on what matters
>
> i have seen it first hand and ego is involved and given precedence
> over keeping product and market focus
>
>
>

Marketers know if they have 4/5 of the brands/styles of an item out
there, they will get a higher percentage of sales, compared to
competitors. That may also help explain seeing different "makes" of
essentially the same cars, as well as the great number of types of
cereal in your grocery store.


>
>
>
>
>
>
>

On Wed, 04 Nov 2015 16:24:20 GMT
[email protected] (Scott Lurndal) wrote:

> Revo clamps seem to have some nice capabilities, but I'm
> not sure they're worth twice the price (after the woodpecker
> discount) of the original or updated (with the tail hook)
> K-bodies.

they are definitely not worth the price no matter what they
call them or what anyone says about them

On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 21:31:00 -0500
woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:

> If you have not used a K body type or others of similar type, you
> might be amazed at how easy they can make getting a nice square or
> flat glue up.

have not used them
my bar clamps do great
tried and true

> That said, there are many ways to achieve the same, but these do make
> it easier. But the price is weight. And if you are doing a light
> glue up, they may be a little too much. Again, there are many ways..
> Even rubber, or wrapping.

i a trying some new stretchy plastic wrap that i got recently
it is amazing stuff

it was used in a shipment of some delicate electronics parts
it is super stretchy and clear and i tried and could not break it
i had never seen this before

On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:16:33 -0600
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

> But you do get what you pay for in this instance.

you think you get what you pay for

my bar clamps do great and i get more than what i pay for

On Wed, 04 Nov 2015 21:39:48 -0500
krw <[email protected]> wrote:

> You obviously don't like good tools.

you obviously like over priced tools

> No, it shows how shallow you are.

too many meds today for you better check your prescrip
i hear warfarin is often over prescribed maybe that is you

On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:14:43 -0600
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

> And yet the clamp has been the gold standard for decades.

maybe in your mind but you have shown you buy over priced stuff
what ever floats your boat
some people just are not happy unless they spend more for stuff

bar clamps using black pipe will always be my gold standard

Leon wrote:
> Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:16:33 -0600
>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>>> But you do get what you pay for in this instance.
>> you think you get what you pay for
>>
>> my bar clamps do great and i get more than what i pay for
>>
>>
> You are preaching to the choir. I used pipes clamps for about 5 years,
> then the aluminum clamps for about 15. Noe the k-body style clamps. I'll
> stay with the k body clamps for daily use.
>

I think that is the "cause of dispute". If person A uses them (the
"nice clamps") daily, she gets the benefit of the extra features daily.
If person B uses them 3 times a year, then she enjoys the benefit 3
times a year. Person A pays much less, per use, than Person B, and so
may enjoy her ownership of the nicer clamps more so than Person B, even
though both are using the same clamps (in this example).



>

On 11/05/2015 7:07 AM, Leon wrote:
...

> Are you talking about the sliding head moving when used vertically? If so,
> the Jet K-body style clamps will stay in place. In case you decide to buy
> that style in the future.
...

Is the REVO version the only Bessey now in production; they discontinued
the original/revised versions entirely?

In the period since last I did some more serious search and came to the
conclusion there really are no Al or other lightweight traditional
cabinet clamps available any longer...makes me wish had taken the rest
of the old geezer's Lynchburg collection! :( Altho I doubt I ever do
much _volume_ of work going forward; just too much other stuff in the
way on the farmstead...plus age so they'd just be adding to the
"collection of stuff" here as somewhere else, wherever they ended up.

--

On 11/05/2015 12:33 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 11/5/2015 8:20 AM, dpb wrote:
>> On 11/05/2015 7:07 AM, Leon wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> Are you talking about the sliding head moving when used vertically?
>>> If so,
>>> the Jet K-body style clamps will stay in place. In case you decide to
>>> buy
>>> that style in the future.
>> ...
>>
>> Is the REVO version the only Bessey now in production; they discontinued
>> the original/revised versions entirely?
>
> It's confusing, I am confused. ;!)
>
> The original k-bodies are done. Now there are the new Revo k-bodies with
> fixed and movable jaws. And of course the Jr's.
...

OK, thanks. I do have a couple of cabinets that are on the horizon and
had thought a pair or perhaps four would be a reasonable investment;
wondered if since don't do a lot of work any longer it would be possible
to find old ones at less cost at a minor lack of performance--sounds
like "Not!" unless can find some used/estate sale, etc., ...

--

On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 00:10:22 -0600
Leon <[email protected]> wrote:

> surprised your delicate electronics were not wrapped in bubble wrap.

why surprised

On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 15:15:51 -0000 (UTC)
John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:

> The currently popular practice is to stretch-wrap stuff
> to a cardboard backer, then put it in a box with bubble
> wrap or biodegradable peanuts or some shredded paper stuff

these parts came in anti-static bag placed in foam layers and inside a box
that box was wrapped with this stuff against cardboard that was press fit
into a larger shipping box

so no peanuts bubble wrap or excelsior just air with the press fit cardboard
and wrap holding the smaller box in place

> If you're getting a whole pallet of stuff, the boxes will
> be stacked on the pallet and then the whole mess wrapped
> with about 20 yards of stretch-wrap.

there is that kind of stretch and who has not seen that stuff

this is different than anything i have seen

differences are that it does not stick to itself as much as that pallet wrap
i think it is thicker
it stretches far beyond pallet wrap
it also returns to original size which pallet wrap does not do
it is very clear
i think technically speaking it has a refractive index very close to one
it is almost like clear rubber

it is quite unusual to me and i have not seen it before

try to find some it is kind of amazing

On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 16:18:15 -0500
woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm not sure that pipe clamps equates to bar clamps.

i had confused my terminology
i have pipe clamps that i like for the consistency and low cost

> I am thinking EC is referring to the heavy bar clamps with a pin that
> fixes the lower jaw, and a crank that tightens the moveable acme
> threaded jaw. They are definitely different than a pipe clamp.
> But still , IMHO, fall short compared to the K style clamps.

do not think i have seen this type

> And the k style (not original bessey, unless you grind the punched
> down area off) can be a spreader. I have used my cabinet masters many
> times as a spreader. So I can confidently say they save me
> aggravation and saved the day.

i do like the idea of spreaders for the dual-purpose

> My Cabinet masters were gotten on an amazing sale at Woodcraft
> online.. they announced it a week ahead, and I sat up waiting for the
> clock to tick, as I knew they would go fast. I think I paid on
> average 14 -16 a piece... I got 4 of the 24, 4 of the 36 and 4 of the
> 48...

not bad at all
i keep a sharp eye at flea markets + swap meets + garbage sales
i mean garage sales

i need to watch craigslist more for clamps

> I have bought a few besseys and a few woodcraft copies (don't buy
> them) they suck.. the heads twist... they look absolutely identical,
> except for the bar, but they are not. And it is not the bar that is
> twisting,its the head... POS

woodcraft probably just put their name on some junk
it is the sirens of cheapness singing and drawing them into the rocks
and or unwary customers which leads to mutually assured disappointment

short term gain long term loss

On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 00:15:34 -0600
Leon <[email protected]> wrote:

> OK with that comment the Stupid tattoo on your forehead is visible to

i like that one


you often miss the points here but it is ok
everyone is different

the point is that the price for these clamps you are pushing is too high

On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 11:34:47 -0800 (PST)
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:

> Plug the device(s) into the extension cord, then fold the wires so
> that the device cord touches the extension cord wire. (basically,
> make an inverted U) Now slip a vinyl or latex glove over the
> plug/socket end and tightly secure the open end around the cords with
> a zip tie.

i guess for halloween it would be ok but how do you explain creepy hands
laying about at xmas time

i like the idea of using the wrap i usually use a small vitreous pot or saucer

On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 20:33:08 -0500
krw <[email protected]> wrote:

> The bar bends and the jaws are far from parallel. The jaws don't bite
> into the pipe and slip. No thank you! I threw all my pipe clamps out
> years ago.

the pipes too or just the clamps


also take note of the use of bar and pipe which are different
made this mistake myself

On Fri, 06 Nov 2015 12:52:57 -0500
krw <[email protected]> wrote:

> >> The bar bends and the jaws are far from parallel. The jaws don't
> >> bite into the pipe and slip. No thank you! I threw all my pipe
> >> clamps out years ago.

> Of course the pipes too. What good is one piece without the other?

that trash could be treasure for some

throwing away perfectly good tools is not something i have seen often
but would like to see often from others so i can grab them

In article <[email protected]>
Electric Comet <[email protected]> writes:
>On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 00:15:34 -0600
>Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> OK with that comment the Stupid tattoo on your forehead is visible to
>
>the point is that the price for these clamps you are pushing is too high

Leon, in my experience, does not push much of anything. He shares
his honestly held views and others take them or leave them. Having
seen pictures of some of his work, I tend to at least consider what
he has to say (same with a few others here). That's part of why
my recent bandsaw choice went with spending a couple hundred more
and got the Laguna. It wasn't based *just* on his opinion, but
that led me to sink some more time into researching the Laguna.

I don't need any more clamps just now, and don't have any k-bodies
(just a bunch of f-style), but the details in threads like this
will be useful if/when I'm shopping again.

At my skill level, pipe clamps would probably be just fine. But I
have a few around 4', and those things are heavy.

--
Drew Lawson | What is an "Oprah"?
| -- Teal'c
|

On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:17:31 -0800 (PST)
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:

> What is there to explain?
>
> https://i0.wp.com/i170.photobucket.com/albums/u266/thekoolaidmom/EvilSanta400.jpg

well okay not the traditional route

On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 16:18:15 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 11/5/2015 1:02 AM, Leon wrote:
>> Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:16:33 -0600
>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But you do get what you pay for in this instance.
>>>
>>> you think you get what you pay for
>>>
>>> my bar clamps do great and i get more than what i pay for
>>>
>>>
>> You are preaching to the choir. I used pipes clamps for about 5 years,
>> then the aluminum clamps for about 15. Noe the k-body style clamps. I'll
>> stay with the k body clamps for daily use.
>>
>>
>>
>
>I'm not sure that pipe clamps equates to bar clamps.
>I am thinking EC is referring to the heavy bar clamps with a pin that
>fixes the lower jaw, and a crank that tightens the moveable acme
>threaded jaw. They are definitely different than a pipe clamp.
>But still , IMHO, fall short compared to the K style clamps.
>
>And the k style (not original bessey, unless you grind the punched down
>area off) can be a spreader. I have used my cabinet masters many times
>as a spreader. So I can confidently say they save me aggravation and
>saved the day.
>
>My Cabinet masters were gotten on an amazing sale at Woodcraft online..
>they announced it a week ahead, and I sat up waiting for the clock to
>tick, as I knew they would go fast. I think I paid on average 14 -16 a
>piece... I got 4 of the 24, 4 of the 36 and 4 of the 48...
>
>I have bought a few besseys and a few woodcraft copies (don't buy them)
>they suck.. the heads twist... they look absolutely identical, except
>for the bar, but they are not. And it is not the bar that is
>twisting,its the head... POS

I've been tempted to buy other clamps on sale but decided it would be
better to keep all the parallel clamps the same (Besseys). This keeps
the work level when resting on the clamps and the accessories work on
all the clamps.

On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 23:47:31 -0600, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:

>krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:20:27 -0800, Electric Comet
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:36:07 -0500
>>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> DO you believe all clamps are exactly the same? Aren't different
>>>> names for different clamps useful? I really don't care what the name
>>>
>>> bessey kbody revo tail hook clamp
>>
>> K-body is really all you need to know.
>
>Actually k-body revo, that is the one on sale at the link I posted. Both
>clamping heads/pads move.
>
Don't believe I've ever seen a non-"revo" version.
>
>
>>>
>>> no idea what it means and i do not care as i will never buy them
>>
>> You obviously don't like good tools.
>>
>>> shows loss of focus at the company on what matters
>>
>> No, it shows how shallow you are.
>>
>>> I have seen it first hand and ego is involved and given precedence
>>> over keeping product and market focus
>>
>> I bet you have, first hand.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

krw <[email protected]> writes:
>On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:05:47 -0800, Electric Comet
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 20:33:08 -0500
>>krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> The bar bends and the jaws are far from parallel. The jaws don't bite
>>> into the pipe and slip. No thank you! I threw all my pipe clamps out
>>> years ago.
>>
>>the pipes too or just the clamps
>
>Of course the pipes too. What good is one piece without the other?

If you have a pipe cutter and a hand threader, the pipe can still
be useful. Black or galvy.

On 11/5/2015 9:15 AM, John McCoy wrote:
> Leon <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> It is called stretch wrap. It is a HD version of Seran Wrap. I'm
>> surprised your delicate electronics were not wrapped in bubble wrap.
>
> The currently popular practice is to stretch-wrap stuff
> to a cardboard backer, then put it in a box with bubble
> wrap or biodegradable peanuts or some shredded paper stuff
> I'd call "excelsior" except no-one knows that word now-a-days.
>
> If you're getting a whole pallet of stuff, the boxes will
> be stacked on the pallet and then the whole mess wrapped
> with about 20 yards of stretch-wrap.
>
> John
>
Many years ago we used the pallet stretch wrap daily. Actually you can
buy 6" wide rolls at HD. We always used the 20 or so inch rolls.

On 11/5/2015 8:20 AM, dpb wrote:
> On 11/05/2015 7:07 AM, Leon wrote:
> ...
>
>> Are you talking about the sliding head moving when used vertically?
>> If so,
>> the Jet K-body style clamps will stay in place. In case you decide to
>> buy
>> that style in the future.
> ...
>
> Is the REVO version the only Bessey now in production; they discontinued
> the original/revised versions entirely?

It's confusing, I am confused. ;!)

The original k-bodies are done. Now there are the new Revo k-bodies
with fixed and movable jaws. And of course the Jr's.



>
> In the period since last I did some more serious search and came to the
> conclusion there really are no Al or other lightweight traditional
> cabinet clamps available any longer...makes me wish had taken the rest
> of the old geezer's Lynchburg collection! :( Altho I doubt I ever do
> much _volume_ of work going forward; just too much other stuff in the
> way on the farmstead...plus age so they'd just be adding to the
> "collection of stuff" here as somewhere else, wherever they ended up.
>
> --
>

On 11/4/2015 9:20 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Electric Comet" wrote:
>
>> i have looked at them in person they are nice but i had no intention
>> of
>> buying them
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Nor much of anything else.
>
> It would appear you choose to play the roll of basic s**t disturber
> rather
> than knowledgeable contributor.
>
> Lew
>
>
>

Certainly not a knowledgeable contributor but certainly a disruptive
student.

On 11/6/2015 10:16 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 00:10:22 -0600
> Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> surprised your delicate electronics were not wrapped in bubble wrap.
>
> why surprised
>

I would explain but you would argue. It's not worth wasting the time to
explain to you anymore.

On 11/6/2015 10:53 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 00:15:34 -0600
> Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> OK with that comment the Stupid tattoo on your forehead is visible to
>
> i like that one
>
>
> you often miss the points here but it is ok
> everyone is different
>
> the point is that the price for these clamps you are pushing is too high


I think if you made your comments more explanatory you might be taken
more seriously. When you leave out your reasoning, like "I" can't
justify paying that much for a clamp, or I can't afford that clamp, you
would seem more reasonable and no one could argue with that. But when
you leave out the details of you reasoning we can only take your
comments at face value.
Like you said, everyone is different and so are their points.

And I am not pushing anything, simply giving an actual personal users
experience not a perceived what if scenario.

On 11/4/2015 10:24 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Electric Comet <[email protected]> writes:
>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 08:28:42 -0600
>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>>> Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K-body Revo clamps.
>>
>> name sounds too fancy for a clamp
>> makes me very suspicious
>
> You obviously haven't ever used a K-body clamp. The older
> K-body clamps (pre-Revo) are excellent clamps. The new
> Revo clamps seem to have some nice capabilities, but I'm
> not sure they're worth twice the price (after the woodpecker
> discount) of the original or updated (with the tail hook)
> K-bodies.
>
>

Agreed. The new style K Body clamps do have a larger clamping surface
so that appeals to me BUT the "tail hook" could be much much better.
The closest competitors Jet and Jorgensen have movable feet which makes
using a long clamp on a short work surface easier. If your work surface
is shorter then the Bessey clamp it does no good at all.

On 11/4/2015 9:19 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> On 11/4/2015 9:28 AM, Leon wrote:
>> Woodpeckers has a sale on Bessey K-body Revo clamps.
>>
>> I see between a 30~45% discount depending on the size of the clamp.
>>
>> Note the clamps are sold in pairs and the pricing is for pairs.
>>
>> http://www.woodpeck.com/besseykbody.html?_bta_tid=3.AIdT.CBalag.Fnlf.AWmfCQ..ArVprw.b..l.BtDZ.n...jmKphQ&_bta_c=ehb2cuwcdtkiweko67wu2acyhmxfm
>>
>>
> Looks like HD has them for about the same.


Thanks for pointing that out. Looks like HD is simply lowering the
price and not putting them on sale. AND while HD is a touch more
expensive than the sale price on the small clamps they are also a touch
cheaper on the big clamps. ;~)

MAYBE people have simply quit paying way too much for these style clamps
and Bessey is having to lower them. I recall buying a 4 pack plus
extender bars for about $130 a few years ago, that lately was around
$200. Hopefully Jorgensen will follow suite with the Cabinet Masters.