My neighbor, a good son, a good brother, a good husband, a great dad
to four small kids and a wonderful friend and neighbor died of a heart
attack this morning, at a basketball camp - at the age of 36.
Now some would see his death as a tragedy, struck down in his prime,
taken from his loved one and friends far too soon. Some would rant
and curse an unfair god who took a good person from us, rather
than to take one who is evil. Some will only see the loss - and the
world did lose a good person - for sure. Some will see the difficulties
his family will go through without the son, the brother, the husband,
the father, and that is certainly true.
But there's another way to see this event. Rather than see the loss
of this man, appreciate having the opportunity to be his parent,
his brother or sister, his wife, his child, his friend, his
neighbor. There are far too many people in the world who have
never encountered a good person - a truly nice guy - kids who
never had a loving, caring "dad", with all that term truly
means. Few have a spouse like this and many parents and siblings
can't imagine a person like this. Every neighborhood should,
but more often than not, don't have a John.
I believe that each of us is put here to do something - to get
it right. Some don't get it done in one 75 year lifetime and
perhaps have to come back and try again. And I believe that
some get their job done early on and stick around to, by their
actions and approach to life, set an example of howto be
a good human being.
I'm greatful for having the opportunity to have this man
touch my life and for all the times he showed me, by his
actions, how much fun it is to be a "dad" and try a little
harder to be a better guy and fill in some of what his kids
may miss out on otherwise. The hole he's left in the
world will be filled in by many small helping hands,
an extra smile or a hug when one's needed, a tickle
or a game of catch or a shop project.
If you gotta go, going while doing something you love
ain't a bad way to go.
But I miss him.
Just something to think about.
charlie b
A bad thing shared is half as bad.
A good thing shared is twice as good.
Right. Perhaps when your turn comes along we can all line up and put our
boots up your backside too. Go get the recipe for JOAT's dried frog pills
and make you a few of them. Either that or go get your medication refilled
and watch a few reruns of Fred Rogers Neighborhood and pay attention this
time....
"Bill Rogers" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 15 Jul 2004 17:47:36 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Do you realize that OT in a header specifically means it's off-topic?
> >That is done so uptight people can ignore it if they want to.
>
> Rubbish. It's just a feeble excuse for no-brainers to publish it and
> think it's still OK. Filling in a woodworking conference with tons of
> other material is simply a childish, selfish whim. This newsgroup is
> plugged to the teeth with off-topic subjects by people who have
> nothing to say about woodworking since they can't tell pine from oak.
> You have to sift through all the crap to find anything worth reading,
> and the more off-topic subjects there are the more useless it is to
> try. Sure it's OK to post that crap. You have the same rights as
> anyone. Just find the brains, maturity, and common decency to post it
> somewhere else.
>
> I'm in other newsgroups that have *no* off-topic content; just people
> sharing knowledge back and forth. You wouldn't believe the difference
> if I explained it.
>
> Bill.
>
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:00:12 -0400, "Norman D. Crow" <[email protected]> wrote:
Before you call tech support, check the coplanar and take a good look at the two
dowel pins and holes. One of the dowel hole maybe oversize and your riser block
could rotate and thereby causing your lower wheel to be out of alignment. It's
almost impossible to align both wheels as I experienced.
>OBWW - got the riser kit on my G0555, haven't cut anything yet, as I've been
>busy with other things, and need to call Griz tech support. The 105" blade
>is very tight to try and get it on the wheels, so I'm thinking there's
>something in the tension adjustment I don't understand.
>
>--
>Nahmie
>The law of intelligent tinkering: save all the parts.
In article <[email protected]>, charlie b
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Just something to think about.
Indeed.
Given that we will all die, I choose to view it much more like your
"another way", Charlie.
djb
In article <[email protected]>, Bill Rogers
<[email protected]> wrote:
> That's a weak answer. You're in a movie theater and people behind you
> are talking loudly to each other. In fact, a whole lot of people are
> doing the same thing. ...so plug your ears.
No, your radio is on. Change the channel.
I hope your fight with cancer goes well.
In article <[email protected]>, Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Unfortunately, that means that Ghengis Khan, Adolf Hitler, and
> Saddam Hussein will live a very long time
Your point?
Certainly the first two have.
In article <[email protected]>, Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I've thought of having the above put on my tombstone, but
> considering my career I think I'll stick with "Do not fold,
> spindle, or mutilate." If you don't know what that means, ask
> your grandfather
I want to steal from PDQ Bach:
Here lies a man of sundry flaws
And numerous sins upon his head.
We've buried him today because,
As near as we can tell, he's dead.
But then I want a wake, not a funeral.
In article <[email protected]>, Bill Rogers
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm in other newsgroups that have *no* off-topic content; just people
> sharing knowledge back and forth.
Good for you, Bill. Why don't you go back to them?
In article <[email protected]>, Bill Rogers
<[email protected]> wrote:
> The point is that this newsgroup has great potential, but that's all
> it has so long as the number of off-topic garbage keeps on increasing.
> It's like prostitutes in your neighbourhood. They have the same right
> to walk the street as you, but only losers who can't find a partner
> want or need them.
The newsgroup has been showing its "potential" for a great many years,
and seems to meet the needs of many, many people.
It's unfortunate that it doesn't meet yours but you're pissing into the
wind if you think that snarling at people is going to change this
neighborhood.
I'm surprised, actually, by people who (as you're doing) assert that
the wreck is overwhelmed by useless posts while adding off-topic posts
and little else to this community.
I simply don't see that. Even with all my filters, fewer than 10% of
the daily posts here get caught by them. I suppose it's possible that
supernews is filtering them but that doesn't seem to be the case on
other newsgroups.
Again, I wish you well but you've done a good job at being rude and
convincing folks that you have nothing but anger to offer here. I
shan't post to this thread again, though I may respond if you actually
post something on-topic.
djb
Ahh, that explains it. Thanx!
Renata
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:37:56 -0400, "Norman D. Crow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I give up! IMHO - - Bill Rogers = TROLL, so I'm gonna stop feeding him.
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:04:31 -0400, Bill Rogers <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:47:34 GMT, Terry <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> We all die. That's life. There are just more appropriate places to
> discuss it. I'm dealing with cancer. Big deal. I'm here to hear and
> learn about woodworking techniques, presuming anyone in these multiple
> off-topic ramblings know any.
So put the OT in the subject line in your killfile and get on with it,
Bill. If your newsreader doesn't support that, download a real one.
In article <FukJc.80119$MB3.48776@attbi_s04>,
[email protected] says...
> If you don't mind input from an old Heathen, the way I view the death of
> anyone is: "What is remembered, lives!" As long as even one person has
> even one memory of them, then they are not truly gone.
>
Unfortunately, that means that Ghengis Khan, Adolf Hitler, and
Saddam Hussein will live a very long time :-).
But as another old heathen, my favorite remarks about death were
made by Swinburne (and this is from menory so may be a little
off):
"From too much love of living, from hope and fear set free,
We thank with brief thanksgiving whatever gods may be,
That no man lives forever, that dead men rise up never,
That even the longest river winds finally to the sea."
The funny thing is I don't care for the rest of his poetry :-).
I've thought of having the above put on my tombstone, but
considering my career I think I'll stick with "Do not fold,
spindle, or mutilate." If you don't know what that means, ask
your grandfather :-).
--
There ARE no Iraqi WMDs!
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:34:46 -0400, Bill Rogers <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 15 Jul 2004 01:59:43 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>So put the OT in the subject line in your killfile and get on with it,
>>Bill. If your newsreader doesn't support that, download a real one.
>
> That's a weak answer. You're in a movie theater and people behind you
> are talking loudly to each other. In fact, a whole lot of people are
> doing the same thing. ...so plug your ears.
Do you realize that OT in a header specifically means it's off-topic?
That is done so uptight people can ignore it if they want to. To take
your crappy analogy to at least some degree of relevance, it'd be more
like you being at a party, seeing a bunch of people talking off in the
corner, hearing what they're talking about, and saying "Hey, this is
a football party, you can't talk about woodworking here."
While you're setting up killfiles, you might want to put me in it right
away, as I can't see us having much in common.
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:56:31 -0700, Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <FukJc.80119$MB3.48776@attbi_s04>,
> [email protected] says...
>> If you don't mind input from an old Heathen, the way I view the death of
>> anyone is: "What is remembered, lives!" As long as even one person has
>> even one memory of them, then they are not truly gone.
>>
> Unfortunately, that means that Ghengis Khan, Adolf Hitler, and
> Saddam Hussein will live a very long time :-).
Well, they certainly shouldn't be _forgotten_, should they? Remembering
someone doesn't mean respecting them.
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:03:05 -0400, Bill Rogers <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 15 Jul 2004 17:47:36 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Do you realize that OT in a header specifically means it's off-topic?
>>That is done so uptight people can ignore it if they want to.
>
> Rubbish. It's just a feeble excuse for no-brainers to publish it and
> think it's still OK.
No, it's been the Usenet standard for well over a decade. Perhaps you
weren't around when it was hashed out originally, that's too bad. Maybe
you could have brought fresh insite to the discussion.
> Filling in a woodworking conference with tons of
> other material is simply a childish, selfish whim. This newsgroup is
> plugged to the teeth with off-topic subjects by people who have
> nothing to say about woodworking since they can't tell pine from oak.
Assumptions like this are nearly always wrong.
> You have to sift through all the crap to find anything worth reading,
> and the more off-topic subjects there are the more useless it is to
> try.
Only if you're too ignorant and/or lazy to set up a filter. If AOL
doesn't give you the ability to filter and/or killfile by sender,
or by keyword, or by subject, or by number of groups a message is
crossposted to, or any other number of things, then your complaint
should be against the crappy newsreader you're using, rather than
the people following a convention which was agreed upon LONG before
you showed up.
> Sure it's OK to post that crap. You have the same rights as
> anyone. Just find the brains, maturity, and common decency to post it
> somewhere else.
We are. We're posting it in a thread with OT in the subject line.
Your newsreader does let you at least see the subject lines, doesn't
it? I know, it's more fun to complain than to actually take the
effort of looking at the subject, is that it?
> I'm in other newsgroups that have *no* off-topic content; just people
> sharing knowledge back and forth. You wouldn't believe the difference
> if I explained it.
I've been on usenet since 1992, Bill, so your condescending tone doesn't
impress me. In any group of friends, you'll have side-discussions,
arguments, vaguely relevant conversations, and just plain silliness from
time to time. This forum is no different than a bunch of people who work
together - not all the talk will be all work, all the time.
It is what it is, Bill. It's not going to change because someone
complains about something that they could control for themselves
if they'd expend a minimum of effort to do so.
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:21:24 -0400, Trent© <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 15 Jul 2004 21:29:58 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>It is what it is, Bill. It's not going to change because someone
>>complains about something that they could control for themselves
>>if they'd expend a minimum of effort to do so.
>
> But its not gonna change if someone doesn't COMPLAIN, either.
Might as well complain that we drive on the right side of the
road. Too little, too late, not gonna change. It's not like
clearly-labeled OT posts on Usenet are even in the top million
list of problems of modern society.
> Bill made a very good point...you might at least take it to
> heart...instead of arguing with him.
The solution is simple - subject lines with OT in them are that
way because they're simple to filter out if one choses. He choses
not to exercise that option so he can whine about it, I am chosing
to point out that his snivelling about something he could so easily
deal with effectively, is annoying.
> Although he doesn't need to download any off-topic messages, its kinda
> difficult not to see the rest of the subject header. For you, its
> just another off-topic subject. But, to Bill, its much more
> meaningful.
I can't imagine why.
> He probably came here to get away from his problems...not to have
> somebody amplify his condition with a reminder.
So he can filter by subject, or by senders, or both. Can't mention
death because someone may have a disease? Are we not to say "old"
in reference to tools because someone might be elderly? May we not
say "neander" because someone might have a sloping forhead?
> Just my 2¢...
> Have a nice week...
Always do.
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:12:45 -0400, Bill Rogers <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 15 Jul 2004 21:29:58 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I've been on usenet since 1992, Bill, so your condescending tone doesn't
>>impress me.
>
> I've been there much longer than that [bulletin boards preceded the
> widespread interest in the internet, which was originated by
> physicists to share their information around the world], and working
> with computers since the 60s, so it's you trying to be condescending.
Amazing, then, that with all that experience you never noticed this
particular convention before.
> I also know that (i) a Hell of a lot more people would be here
> contributing if it wasn't clogged with such crap, and (ii) a lot of
> decent newsgroups have gone belly up because their entire focus
> changed by either SPAM or OT discussions.
Both of which are easy to filter out, Bill. Why do you complain about
something that you refuse to help yourself with?
> I have no intention of trying to impress you. The argument about
> getting a filter [I know how and much more] is like you wanting to
> smoke at a party and telling the non-smokers to wear a mask, or leave
> if they don't like it. It's the same stupid selfish attitude.
Bullshit, Bill. It's like you going into a clearly-marked smoking
section and complaining that people are smoking there.
> For
> those who can't read, this is a "woodworking" forum. You said you
> know about the subject. Putting OT in the subject line doesn't make
> it a legitimate contribution to this forum for discussion about
> woodworking. It just says, "Screw you, I can say anything I want
> anytime because I'm in control."
No, it's a way of saying "These are people I hang out with, and we're
having a side discussion that you can come in and listen to if you want."
>As I said, it's just a childish
> excuse to fill space and to Hell with anyone else, a freaky control
> mechanism.
There's a freaky control mechanism being attempted here, Bill, but it's
not by the people putting OT in their headers.
> So, what do you have to say about woodworking in general? Any neat
> techniques you'd like to share? Or are you really more interested in
> the other crap.
I quite honestly don't find much interest in sharing any insights with
you, as you don't strike me as the kind of person whose company I enjoy.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> > I kind of miss the IBM 7074 with 32K oil warmed (50 gallons of oil) memory
> > (36 bit words). Had to turn on the oil heater a day or two ahead of
> > booting.
>
> Oops, 7094.
>
I never saw anyone quite as irritable as an IBM CE who had to
replace a bad core doughnut on our 7094. They're little, and
they're very slippery when covered with oil.
We all tiptoed around him until he was done :-).
--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?
In article <JdCJc.259840$Gx4.125021@bgtnsc04-
news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, [email protected] says...
> Then I'm sure you remember the 96 column thing that
> IBM tried on the older S/3 ???
>
If you looked at the coding on those cards, they actually
represented two rows of paper tape, 45 columns each.
And I also remember Univac had 90 column cards even earlier, but
I don't recall the coding on those.
--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:25:36 -0400, Bill Rogers <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> There's another old saying about arguing with a fool, so I'm done.
Well at least there's some good news in all this. Bye, then.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
>
> Larry Blanchard wrote:
>
> > I never saw anyone quite as irritable as an IBM CE who had to
> > replace a bad core doughnut on our 7094. They're little, and
> > they're very slippery when covered with oil.
> >
>
> He had to rewire a single core into the stack?
Yep. This would have been in '65 or '66. I guess a whole new
plane would have been too expensive.
BTW, the disk heads on a 7094 didn't automatically retract when
power failed. I was warned when I hired on to stay out of the
dark hall if the power failed, because the resident CE would be
charging down it to manually crank out the disc heads :-).
--
There ARE no Iraqi WMDs!
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Actually, I miss those days. I remember when the card reader on our
> S/3 was screwed and the IBM CE was in ti fix it. It was hot and he
> had his long-sleeved white shirt unbuttoned at the cuff and roled up.
> Things weren't going well and he was cursing and starting to press
> buttons and such very hard and very fast. His sleeve unrolled and got
> caught in the belts that pulled the cards through and ripped the
> entire sleeve and half the shirt right off of him.
>
Back in the days of "tabulating machines" ('56 or '57) I saw a
CE get his tie caught in a card sorter. Wrapped it till his
chin was resting on the top before it started slipping. We cut
the tie off his neck. He'd flown for the Flying Tigers in WWII
and said this scared him just about as bad :-).
--
There ARE no Iraqi WMDs!
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:22:05 -0700, Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>>
>> He had to rewire a single core into the stack?
>
> Yep. This would have been in '65 or '66. I guess a whole new
> plane would have been too expensive.
I've seen core memory and the TINY little donuts on it, is this what
we're talking about? PDP/8 era is all I've seen.
> BTW, the disk heads on a 7094 didn't automatically retract when
> power failed. I was warned when I hired on to stay out of the
> dark hall if the power failed, because the resident CE would be
> charging down it to manually crank out the disc heads :-).
Heh. Dozen years or so ago or so, I was the same person charging down
the dark hallway during an outage, so I could switch off the now-crashed
systems in my lab, so I could bring 'em up in something resembling the
right order. That damn UPS caused more outages than if we hadn't had it.
This was all modern stuff, though, sadly enough.
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:52:08 -0400, Bill Rogers <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> The point is that this newsgroup has great potential, but that's all
> it has so long as the number of off-topic garbage keeps on increasing.
> It's like prostitutes in your neighbourhood. They have the same right
> to walk the street as you, but only losers who can't find a partner
> want or need them.
I seem to have missed your on-topic posts.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
> >> He had to rewire a single core into the stack?
> >
> > Yep. This would have been in '65 or '66. I guess a whole new
> > plane would have been too expensive.
>
> I've seen core memory and the TINY little donuts on it, is this what
> we're talking about? PDP/8 era is all I've seen.
>
Uh-huh. First locate the right core and mark it. Then unstring
the vertical, horizontal, and diagonal wires, thus freeing up a
bunch of good cores. Toss the bad one, add a new one, and
restring the whole #@$! mess :-).
IIRC, it took him about half a day sitting on a newspaper-
covered computer room floor in white shirt and tie, sleeves
rolled up and hands covered in oil :-).
--
There ARE no Iraqi WMDs!
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:01:40 -0700, Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> says...
>>
>> I've seen core memory and the TINY little donuts on it, is this what
>> we're talking about? PDP/8 era is all I've seen.
>>
> Uh-huh. First locate the right core and mark it. Then unstring
> the vertical, horizontal, and diagonal wires, thus freeing up a
> bunch of good cores. Toss the bad one, add a new one, and
> restring the whole #@$! mess :-).
Ouch. I understand the H&V wires, but what is the diagonal one for?
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:13:14 -0500, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dave Hinz wrote:
>
>> I understand the H&V wires, but what is the diagonal one for?
>
> Sensing the status of the bit.
You know, about 30 seconds after I posted the question, I realized that
had to be it. Thanks, though, it's beautiful stuff to look at - but
I'd hate to hand-anything with it.
On 15 Jul 2004 17:47:36 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>Do you realize that OT in a header specifically means it's off-topic?
>That is done so uptight people can ignore it if they want to.
Rubbish. It's just a feeble excuse for no-brainers to publish it and
think it's still OK. Filling in a woodworking conference with tons of
other material is simply a childish, selfish whim. This newsgroup is
plugged to the teeth with off-topic subjects by people who have
nothing to say about woodworking since they can't tell pine from oak.
You have to sift through all the crap to find anything worth reading,
and the more off-topic subjects there are the more useless it is to
try. Sure it's OK to post that crap. You have the same rights as
anyone. Just find the brains, maturity, and common decency to post it
somewhere else.
I'm in other newsgroups that have *no* off-topic content; just people
sharing knowledge back and forth. You wouldn't believe the difference
if I explained it.
Bill.
Bill Rogers wrote:
>
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:47:34 GMT, Terry <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> We all die. That's life. There are just more appropriate places to
> discuss it. I'm dealing with cancer. Big deal. I'm here to hear and
> learn about woodworking techniques, presuming anyone in these multiple
> off-topic ramblings know any.
>
> Bill.
So what do you want to know about woodworking? Change the
subject line and ask away. Hell, if I know the answer I may
even make an illustration or diagram to help you understand.
I'm not being sarcastic, I try hard to say what I mean and
mean what I say - no interpretation necessary. So ask away.
Want to make handcut dovetails (the Frank Klausz way)?
http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/DovetailDrawer0.html
Fine line inlaying?
http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/Inlaying1.html
How about graduated drawers? (all one line)
http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/Design/GraduatedDrawers/GraduatedDrawers1.html
Want to make a loose tenon mortise jig to use with your router
and edge guide?
http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/LooseTenonJig/LooseTenonJig1.html
If you're one who learns from the mistakes of others
http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/OOPS/OOPS1.html
Ask away. You'll be amazed at what folks in this community of
woodworkers know - and are willing to share - FOR FREE!
charlie b
Having recently dealt with the death of some close friends in the last
year or so, and watched as my best friend successfully dodged the
bullet of a brain anurysm (sp?), I hear you. But you also bring to
mind a quote I heard at a retirement dinner for a friend over 15 years
ago (and yes, he is still with us):
"We should honor while we can the vertical man, as we seem to honor
none but the horizontal one."
This keeps me focused on making sure that from time to time I tell
those who I have grown to appreciate, respect and love that I'm really
glad to know them and to have them around, and to thank them for their
friendship. Oftentimes when someone passes unexpectedly, you have
such words left unsaid, to your regret.
Sorry for your loss, Charlie.
Mutt
charlie b <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> My neighbor, a good son, a good brother, a good husband, a great dad
> to four small kids and a wonderful friend and neighbor died of a heart
> attack this morning, at a basketball camp - at the age of 36.
>
> Now some would see his death as a tragedy, struck down in his prime,
> taken from his loved one and friends far too soon. Some would rant
> and curse an unfair god who took a good person from us, rather
> than to take one who is evil. Some will only see the loss - and the
> world did lose a good person - for sure. Some will see the difficulties
> his family will go through without the son, the brother, the husband,
> the father, and that is certainly true.
>
> But there's another way to see this event. Rather than see the loss
> of this man, appreciate having the opportunity to be his parent,
> his brother or sister, his wife, his child, his friend, his
> neighbor. There are far too many people in the world who have
> never encountered a good person - a truly nice guy - kids who
> never had a loving, caring "dad", with all that term truly
> means. Few have a spouse like this and many parents and siblings
> can't imagine a person like this. Every neighborhood should,
> but more often than not, don't have a John.
>
> I believe that each of us is put here to do something - to get
> it right. Some don't get it done in one 75 year lifetime and
> perhaps have to come back and try again. And I believe that
> some get their job done early on and stick around to, by their
> actions and approach to life, set an example of howto be
> a good human being.
>
> I'm greatful for having the opportunity to have this man
> touch my life and for all the times he showed me, by his
> actions, how much fun it is to be a "dad" and try a little
> harder to be a better guy and fill in some of what his kids
> may miss out on otherwise. The hole he's left in the
> world will be filled in by many small helping hands,
> an extra smile or a hug when one's needed, a tickle
> or a game of catch or a shop project.
>
> If you gotta go, going while doing something you love
> ain't a bad way to go.
>
> But I miss him.
>
> Just something to think about.
>
> charlie b
>
> A bad thing shared is half as bad.
> A good thing shared is twice as good.
Dave Hinz wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:01:40 -0700, Larry Blanchard
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> [email protected] says...
>>
>>> I've seen core memory and the TINY little donuts on it, is
>>> this what we're talking about? PDP/8 era is all I've
>>> seen.
>>>
>>
>> Uh-huh. First locate the right core and mark it. Then
>> unstring the vertical, horizontal, and diagonal wires, thus
>> freeing up a bunch of good cores. Toss the bad one, add a
>> new one, and restring the whole #@$! mess :-).
>
>
> Ouch. I understand the H&V wires, but what is the diagonal
> one for?
Sensing the status of the bit.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto, Iowa USA
Although I have no experience with Grizzly I've heard mostly good things
about them.
In previous postings I've seen speculation that although Tiwanese Bandsaws
(and other tools) appear to be similar there may be differences in
tolerances and specs - justifying different prices. I wonder if these
problems (riser block fit & blade sizing) could be an indication of possible
tolerance differences?
I recently installed a Jet riser block (had considered the Grizzly 1055 as
well as the Jet bandsaw) and had no problem with either block instatlation
or fitting a 105" blade. Also have 2 friends with Deltas and no problem
there either
Ken
"Norman D. Crow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> "WD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:00:12 -0400, "Norman D. Crow" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Before you call tech support, check the coplanar and take a good look at
> the two
> > dowel pins and holes. One of the dowel hole maybe oversize and your
riser
> block
> > could rotate and thereby causing your lower wheel to be out of
alignment.
> It's
> > almost impossible to align both wheels as I experienced.
>
> That's not the problem. Co-planar appears OK, and the blade is tracking
OK.
> The problem was that with the tension released I still had a hard time
> getting the blade ON the wheels, almost like it needs a 106" or 107"
blade.
> Feels like the top wheel is bottomed out in the frame with the tension
> released, but I'm gonna see if tech support can tell me something I
missed.
>
> Thanks anyway. My dowel holes were so tight I had to hammer the block on
the
> bottom(wood block & hammer), then use the bolt to pull the top down & seat
> it on them, while persuading it with a rubber mallet.
>
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On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:02:00 -0400, Renata <[email protected]>
wrote:
>to borrow from an old saying,
>it's better to be thought an insensitive a$$hole then open one's mouth
>and prove it.
>
>You shoulda taken note of the "OT" and shuddup, dearie.
The word's "Asshole", and the old saying is about a "fool". Some come
here to look for intelligent conversation about woodworking, and don't
want to have to need to filter out rubbish about anything and
everything else because you think they should.
Take your OT brainless babbling somewhere else, fool, and make room
for other possible contributors with more to offer. Or, get the title
of this newsgroup changed to suit your own agenda. Then real
woodworkers can start another, and leave you to it. The problem is
you'd likely show your wit there as well.
You talk about "insensitive" as if you know something about cancer.
I've been dealing with it for over 5 years, and have already lost
friends and relatives. You know shit about it until you have it.
You're the insensitive asshole here. If the OP has real problems
dealing with it, he should visit his relatives, doctor or priest, not
whine here.
There's another old saying about arguing with a fool, so I'm done.
Bill.
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:41:05 -0400, "Norman D. Crow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>You know Bill, most everyone here on the wRECk is pretty polite, and Renata
>wrote a$$hole on purpose, just like we write s**t, or other things to get
>the meaning across without being foulmouthed.
Fine. If that makes any sense, as it does to you since you agree with
him, then you won't mind being told to F*** Off ..or should it be F$$K
Off? I wrote that on purpose in order to be polite and meet your
standards, so I hope you won't find it offensive or foulmouthed, if
you see what I mean. After all, it really doesn't mean what you might
think it means, right?
If you go back far enough you'll see that I expressed my opinion, was
told to mind my own business, then was sw*rn at. I responded since
it's the only language some understand. At least I didn't piss
around, or is that P*ss around?
The point is that this newsgroup has great potential, but that's all
it has so long as the number of off-topic garbage keeps on increasing.
It's like prostitutes in your neighbourhood. They have the same right
to walk the street as you, but only losers who can't find a partner
want or need them.
Bill.
charlie b wrote:
> Just something to think about.
Yes it is. And perhaps it's related to how many people show up at a
funeral. In the Army I was the officer-in-charge (OIC) of more than 30
military burial ceremonies. Taps, the 21-gun salute, the folded flag, the
speech to the widow while presenting the flag. Some funerals had 200+
mournful people crowding around the canopy. Several other ceremonies had 4
or fewer. One was just the widow, and we planted one (apparently) mean old
cuss that had *zero* come to send him off.
I realized I would like to live my life in such a way as to have at least a
few people that will make the effort to come to my funeral because they'll
miss me. ;-) You know, people that would come even if a luncheon is not
provided.
BTW the last funeral I did was the worst. It was always a job for me to get
"psyched up" to get down on a knee, make and keep eye contact, present the
flag, and say the required speech without it sounding like a memorized
speech -- without getting all broken up myself. There were about 40 who
made the journey to the cemetary so the deceased was important to quite a
few people. The clergy finished their part, the flag was raised over the
casket, 21 shots were fired, taps sounded (as usual several people started
sobbing), the flag was folded, the NCOIC handed it to me, I walked over to
the widow, got down on a knee, looked into her eyes and saw:
"Damn, dude, let's get this old fart IN THE GROUND and go PARTY. I have
insurance money to spend!"
THAT jolted me. I was steeled to convey sympathy and the country's
appreciation to a grieving, weeping widow. I wasn't prepared for someone
who obviously didn't give a rip. The regulation speech got flushed from my
brain and what I said wasn't much more than, "Here. This flag is for you."
15 years later I still remember that burial and wonder about the family.
Was she a 2nd wife who only married for money. Lots of people were mourning
but she wasn't one of them.
-- Mark
On 15 Jul 2004 21:29:58 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>I've been on usenet since 1992, Bill, so your condescending tone doesn't
>impress me.
I've been there much longer than that [bulletin boards preceded the
widespread interest in the internet, which was originated by
physicists to share their information around the world], and working
with computers since the 60s, so it's you trying to be condescending.
I also know that (i) a Hell of a lot more people would be here
contributing if it wasn't clogged with such crap, and (ii) a lot of
decent newsgroups have gone belly up because their entire focus
changed by either SPAM or OT discussions.
I have no intention of trying to impress you. The argument about
getting a filter [I know how and much more] is like you wanting to
smoke at a party and telling the non-smokers to wear a mask, or leave
if they don't like it. It's the same stupid selfish attitude. For
those who can't read, this is a "woodworking" forum. You said you
know about the subject. Putting OT in the subject line doesn't make
it a legitimate contribution to this forum for discussion about
woodworking. It just says, "Screw you, I can say anything I want
anytime because I'm in control." As I said, it's just a childish
excuse to fill space and to Hell with anyone else, a freaky control
mechanism.
So, what do you have to say about woodworking in general? Any neat
techniques you'd like to share? Or are you really more interested in
the other crap.
Bill.
Dave Hinz wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:13:14 -0500, Morris Dovey
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Dave Hinz wrote:
>>
>>> I understand the H&V wires, but what is the diagonal one
>>> for?
>>
>> Sensing the status of the bit.
>
> You know, about 30 seconds after I posted the question, I
> realized that had to be it. Thanks, though, it's beautiful
> stuff to look at - but I'd hate to hand-anything with it.
My last manager at IBM was the engineer who figured out how to
automate weaving a core memory. Before that, core planes had been
hand-wired. Whether by hand or by machine, I always thought of
core weaving as requiring a certain amount of magic. (-:
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto, Iowa USA
If you don't mind input from an old Heathen, the way I view the death of
anyone is: "What is remembered, lives!" As long as even one person has
even one memory of them, then they are not truly gone.
charlie b wrote:
> My neighbor, a good son, a good brother, a good husband, a great dad
> to four small kids and a wonderful friend and neighbor died of a heart
> attack this morning, at a basketball camp - at the age of 36.
<snip>
--
If the gods notice you, it doesn't matter who overlooks you.
Then I'm sure you remember the 96 column thing that
IBM tried on the older S/3 ???
I was trained on old unit record equipment around
1969 and it was just about over in less than 5 years.
That new fangled floppy disk came out and pooooof ....
No more punched cards.
Now no more floppy disk.
Computer folks have seen a lot of changes in 30 years.
Norman D. Crow wrote:
> "jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Norman D. Crow wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article <FukJc.80119$MB3.48776@attbi_s04>,
>>>>[email protected] says...
>>>>I've thought of having the above put on my tombstone, but
>>>>considering my career I think I'll stick with "Do not fold,
>>>>spindle, or mutilate." If you don't know what that means, ask
>>>>your grandfather :-).
>>>
>>>
>>>And even if you DO know, can you understand the 90 column ones with
>
> round
>
>>>holes?(G,D & R)
>>>
>>
>>some kind of gay marriage joke?... (also G,D, & R)
>
>
> For Charlie B - - a beautiful tribute to the passing of a friend.
>
> Jo4hn, I should just leave you in suspense, but - - - -
>
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> They were Remington Rands answer to IBM. A punch card that actually had 45
> columns with round holes, but there were 90 characters, as the card was
> split horizontally, col. 1-45 across the top and col. 46-90 across the
> bottom.
>
> When I started with NCR Corp. in 1960, they had a high speed card reader
> that could feed/read 2000 cards/min., and IIRC, there were 2 in the country
> that had modified logic to handle the 90 col. cards.
>
Norman D. Crow wrote:
> "Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>In article <FukJc.80119$MB3.48776@attbi_s04>,
>>[email protected] says...
>>I've thought of having the above put on my tombstone, but
>>considering my career I think I'll stick with "Do not fold,
>>spindle, or mutilate." If you don't know what that means, ask
>>your grandfather :-).
>
>
> And even if you DO know, can you understand the 90 column ones with round
> holes?(G,D & R)
>
some kind of gay marriage joke?... (also G,D, & R)
there's another little quote that i think is appropriate to what this says.
grief can take care of itself, but to get the full value of a joy you must
have someone to share it with.
i believe that was mark twain but might be wrong, and im not 'quoting' it
but the essence is there.
randy
>
> A bad thing shared is half as bad.
> A good thing shared is twice as good.
"charlie b" wrote in message
> A bad thing shared is half as bad.
> A good thing shared is twice as good.
Thanks for sharing that beautiful tribute, Charlie ... I've no doubt you've
proved the above to be true words of wisdom. If you don't mind I am going to
keep a copy for the next time a personal "hole ... is left in the world".
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 7/10/04
charlie b <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> My neighbor, a good son, a good brother, a good husband, a great dad
> to four small kids and a wonderful friend and neighbor died of a heart
> attack this morning, at a basketball camp - at the age of 36.
>
<snippage of some really good thoughts>
>
> If you gotta go, going while doing something you love
> ain't a bad way to go.
>
> But I miss him.
>
> Just something to think about.
>
> charlie b
>
> A bad thing shared is half as bad.
> A good thing shared is twice as good.
In all regards, I agree with you, and share your feelings for the family
and neighborhood.
We go when we're called. Not every one belives they had enough time to
'get it right'. I belive there's a plan for that...
Patriarch
"Bill Rogers" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Take your OT brainless babbling somewhere else, fool, and make room
> for other possible contributors with more to offer. Or, get the title
> of this newsgroup changed to suit your own agenda.
So, what do you think the name should be changed to?
>>
>>some kind of gay marriage joke?... (also G,D, & R)
>
>
> For Charlie B - - a beautiful tribute to the passing of a friend.
>
> Jo4hn, I should just leave you in suspense, but - - - -
>
Apologies Nahmie. I have been in the business since the early 60s and
know about the round holes and the big computer company whose name is a
three letter acronym, the first of which is a Roman numeral. I was and
am being a smartass.
mahalo,
jo4hn
Wow! I thought I was the ony one that remember those stupid 96-column
cards on those old System 3's. I almost was getting the hang of
reading stupid little round holes when a new fangled CARDLESS Data
Genera was rolled in.
Actually, I miss those days. I remember when the card reader on our
S/3 was screwed and the IBM CE was in ti fix it. It was hot and he
had his long-sleeved white shirt unbuttoned at the cuff and roled up.
Things weren't going well and he was cursing and starting to press
buttons and such very hard and very fast. His sleeve unrolled and got
caught in the belts that pulled the cards through and ripped the
entire sleeve and half the shirt right off of him.
Had to be one of the scariest and funniest thing I ever saw!
Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Then I'm sure you remember the 96 column thing that
> IBM tried on the older S/3 ???
>
> I was trained on old unit record equipment around
> 1969 and it was just about over in less than 5 years.
>
> That new fangled floppy disk came out and pooooof ....
> No more punched cards.
> Now no more floppy disk.
>
> Computer folks have seen a lot of changes in 30 years.
>
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> Norman D. Crow wrote:
>
> > "jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>Norman D. Crow wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>news:[email protected]...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>In article <FukJc.80119$MB3.48776@attbi_s04>,
> >>>>[email protected] says...
> >>>>I've thought of having the above put on my tombstone, but
> >>>>considering my career I think I'll stick with "Do not fold,
> >>>>spindle, or mutilate." If you don't know what that means, ask
> >>>>your grandfather :-).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>And even if you DO know, can you understand the 90 column ones with
> >
> > round
> >
> >>>holes?(G,D & R)
> >>>
> >>
> >>some kind of gay marriage joke?... (also G,D, & R)
> >
> >
> > For Charlie B - - a beautiful tribute to the passing of a friend.
> >
> > Jo4hn, I should just leave you in suspense, but - - - -
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> > They were Remington Rands answer to IBM. A punch card that actually had 45
> > columns with round holes, but there were 90 characters, as the card was
> > split horizontally, col. 1-45 across the top and col. 46-90 across the
> > bottom.
> >
> > When I started with NCR Corp. in 1960, they had a high speed card reader
> > that could feed/read 2000 cards/min., and IIRC, there were 2 in the country
> > that had modified logic to handle the 90 col. cards.
> >
"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <FukJc.80119$MB3.48776@attbi_s04>,
> [email protected] says...
> I've thought of having the above put on my tombstone, but
> considering my career I think I'll stick with "Do not fold,
> spindle, or mutilate." If you don't know what that means, ask
> your grandfather :-).
And even if you DO know, can you understand the 90 column ones with round
holes?(G,D & R)
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"jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Norman D. Crow wrote:
>
> > "Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>In article <FukJc.80119$MB3.48776@attbi_s04>,
> >>[email protected] says...
> >>I've thought of having the above put on my tombstone, but
> >>considering my career I think I'll stick with "Do not fold,
> >>spindle, or mutilate." If you don't know what that means, ask
> >>your grandfather :-).
> >
> >
> > And even if you DO know, can you understand the 90 column ones with
round
> > holes?(G,D & R)
> >
> some kind of gay marriage joke?... (also G,D, & R)
For Charlie B - - a beautiful tribute to the passing of a friend.
Jo4hn, I should just leave you in suspense, but - - - -
They were Remington Rands answer to IBM. A punch card that actually had 45
columns with round holes, but there were 90 characters, as the card was
split horizontally, col. 1-45 across the top and col. 46-90 across the
bottom.
When I started with NCR Corp. in 1960, they had a high speed card reader
that could feed/read 2000 cards/min., and IIRC, there were 2 in the country
that had modified logic to handle the 90 col. cards.
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"Pat Barber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Then I'm sure you remember the 96 column thing that
> IBM tried on the older S/3 ???
No, I missed that one. Most of the stuff I knew about was NCR proprietary. I
apprenticed on the NCR304 in 1960, IIRC had 40K memory of 60 bit words(10
characters), used Ampex tape drives with NO inter-record gap. Printer was a
200LPM drum using 340VDC for hammers, firing a charged capacitior through a
thyratron.
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Larry Blanchard wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>
>>>I kind of miss the IBM 7074 with 32K oil warmed (50 gallons of oil) memory
>>>(36 bit words). Had to turn on the oil heater a day or two ahead of
>>>booting.
>>
>>Oops, 7094.
>>
>
> I never saw anyone quite as irritable as an IBM CE who had to
> replace a bad core doughnut on our 7094. They're little, and
> they're very slippery when covered with oil.
>
> We all tiptoed around him until he was done :-).
>
He had to rewire a single core into the stack?
Joe
"Renata" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> to borrow from an old saying,
> it's better to be thought an insensitive a$$hole then open one's mouth
> and prove it.
>
> You shoulda taken note of the "OT" and shuddup, dearie.
>
> R
Now, now Renata, where's your nurturing, compassionate nature? I DAGS
here - -
http://www.google.com/groups?q=group:rec.woodworking+author:Bill+author:Rogers&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&start=80&sa=N&filter=0
Bill has been "posting" to the wreck since May 7, 2004, and has participated
in some OT threads. Now perhaps this particular one caused him upset because
it hits close to home, but it may also be he's just having an attack of
PMS(pi**in', moanin', & screamin'). Once again I'm going to quote part of
Davey Eisan's mini-faq for Bill's edification;
This group is a collection of people with a common interest in woodworking
(ww'ing), and as such the topics discussed sometimes wander away from
strictly ww'ing. Think of this NG as if you were having a number of friends
over to your shop to discuss ww'ing, 90% of the discussion will revolve
around ww'ing, but you will also discuss other things going on in your life,
like your shop dog dying, gloating about the vintage minty fresh Unisaur you
just got for $100, just got a new job, etc. That is what we do in this NG.
Bill, this is who we are and what we are. Look @ the subject line & move on
if you don't like OT. That's what the rest of us do. We like ww'ing and talk
about it, but we also care about each other, like a big "extended family".
If you can't understand this and live with it, or just want to hang around
and "stir the bucket" then do as Dave Balderstone suggested, and go back
where you're happy.
OBWW - got the riser kit on my G0555, haven't cut anything yet, as I've been
busy with other things, and need to call Griz tech support. The 105" blade
is very tight to try and get it on the wheels, so I'm thinking there's
something in the tension adjustment I don't understand.
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"Bill Rogers" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:02:00 -0400, Renata <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >to borrow from an old saying,
> >it's better to be thought an insensitive a$$hole then open one's mouth
> >and prove it.
> >
> >You shoulda taken note of the "OT" and shuddup, dearie.
>
> The word's "Asshole", and the old saying is about a "fool". Some come
> here to look for intelligent conversation about woodworking, and don't
> want to have to need to filter out rubbish about anything and
> everything else because you think they should.
You know Bill, most everyone here on the wRECk is pretty polite, and Renata
wrote a$$hole on purpose, just like we write s**t, or other things to get
the meaning across without being foulmouthed. Renata also knows she was
paraphrasing another saying, just as you, me, and probably 90% of the other
people on the wRECk do.
>
> Take your OT brainless babbling somewhere else, fool, and make room
> for other possible contributors with more to offer. Or, get the title
> of this newsgroup changed to suit your own agenda. Then real
> woodworkers can start another, and leave you to it. The problem is
> you'd likely show your wit there as well.
Good Luck! Don't tell me you're going to start up the old, endless, "split
the wRECk" argument again!
>
> You talk about "insensitive" as if you know something about cancer.
> I've been dealing with it for over 5 years, and have already lost
> friends and relatives. You know shit about it until you have it.
> You're the insensitive asshole here. If the OP has real problems
> dealing with it, he should visit his relatives, doctor or priest, not
> whine here.
Bill, you better step back and take another look!
(1) YOU were the only one who brought cancer into the conversation.
(2) No one claimed to know any thing about it, and no one was being
insensitive to your problem with cancer. I for one, and I'm sure many
others, wish you well and the best of luck with it. Many of us have lost
friends & relatives to it, and no, we don't have it, but we've seen it
pretty up close & personal, so we're not insensitive about it.
(3) The wRECk has lost several old & valued members over the years, men who
suffered & succumbed to cancer, and were mourned by those who knew them,
even if we only knew them through the wRECk.
(4) The OP was NOT whining! He wrote a moving tribute to a good friend &
neighbor, only lamenting that he died too young, of a HEART ATTACK!
(5) YOU decided you had to come in here and try to play "net-cop". Perhaps
you've gotten the idea now that this particular thread was not the best one
to start raising cain about OT.
Now, if anyone thinks I'M way off base here, fire away, I've got the Nomex
on. I don't often get this "loud", but I just feel Bill chose the wrong time
& place to start all the shootin' & shoutin'.
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"WD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:00:12 -0400, "Norman D. Crow" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> Before you call tech support, check the coplanar and take a good look at
the two
> dowel pins and holes. One of the dowel hole maybe oversize and your riser
block
> could rotate and thereby causing your lower wheel to be out of alignment.
It's
> almost impossible to align both wheels as I experienced.
That's not the problem. Co-planar appears OK, and the blade is tracking OK.
The problem was that with the tension released I still had a hard time
getting the blade ON the wheels, almost like it needs a 106" or 107" blade.
Feels like the top wheel is bottomed out in the frame with the tension
released, but I'm gonna see if tech support can tell me something I missed.
Thanks anyway. My dowel holes were so tight I had to hammer the block on the
bottom(wood block & hammer), then use the bolt to pull the top down & seat
it on them, while persuading it with a rubber mallet.
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Larry Blanchard wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>
>>Actually, I miss those days. I remember when the card reader on our
>>S/3 was screwed and the IBM CE was in ti fix it. It was hot and he
>>had his long-sleeved white shirt unbuttoned at the cuff and roled up.
>>Things weren't going well and he was cursing and starting to press
>>buttons and such very hard and very fast. His sleeve unrolled and got
>>caught in the belts that pulled the cards through and ripped the
>>entire sleeve and half the shirt right off of him.
>>
>
> Back in the days of "tabulating machines" ('56 or '57) I saw a
> CE get his tie caught in a card sorter. Wrapped it till his
> chin was resting on the top before it started slipping. We cut
> the tie off his neck. He'd flown for the Flying Tigers in WWII
> and said this scared him just about as bad :-).
>
We still had a shop full of them in 73 in Guantanamo, supposedly the last
one in the Navy. Ran paper reports but the civil service supply types
preferred the card decks. Lots of fun when they added 2 digits to stock
numbers and we had to generate 50,000+ new cards.
Joe
"Ken Johnsen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Although I have no experience with Grizzly I've heard mostly good things
> about them.
>
> In previous postings I've seen speculation that although Tiwanese Bandsaws
> (and other tools) appear to be similar there may be differences in
> tolerances and specs - justifying different prices. I wonder if these
> problems (riser block fit & blade sizing) could be an indication of
possible
> tolerance differences?
>
> I recently installed a Jet riser block (had considered the Grizzly 1055 as
> well as the Jet bandsaw) and had no problem with either block instatlation
> or fitting a 105" blade. Also have 2 friends with Deltas and no problem
> there either
>
> Ken
E-mailed Griz tech support, explained problem, and asked if maybe I had a
"short" blade, etc. Their answer was:
Dear Mr. Crow,
Thank you for your email dated July 21, 2004.
I would like to apologize for the circumstances surrounding your saw.
Have you checked the length of the blade? Have you tried another blade to
see if you are having the same trouble with that blade?
You may have received a short blade. Let me know what you find. I have
attached a sheet that should have come with the riser block for tensioning
your blades.
I do apologize for the inconvenience.
Please let me know if I can be of any other assistance. You are a valued
customer and look forward to serving your woodworking and metalworking needs
in the future.
Sincerely,
Terry
Technical Service
Grizzly Industrial, Inc.
The attachment was a PDF file that I did not find in my riser block kit,
which did somewhat address the issue of tension release adjustment. I
haven't had time to dig into it as yet, but will soon, and post findings.
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Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:04:31 -0400, Bill Rogers <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:47:34 GMT, Terry <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > We all die. That's life. There are just more appropriate places to
> > discuss it. I'm dealing with cancer. Big deal. I'm here to hear and
> > learn about woodworking techniques, presuming anyone in these multiple
> > off-topic ramblings know any.
>
> So put the OT in the subject line in your killfile and get on with it,
> Bill. If your newsreader doesn't support that, download a real one.
I suggest that the expedient thing to do is to put Bill Rogers
in a killfile, though that doesn;t deal with the follow-ups, like
this one.
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On 15 Jul 2004 21:29:58 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>It is what it is, Bill. It's not going to change because someone
>complains about something that they could control for themselves
>if they'd expend a minimum of effort to do so.
But its not gonna change if someone doesn't COMPLAIN, either.
Bill made a very good point...you might at least take it to
heart...instead of arguing with him.
Although he doesn't need to download any off-topic messages, its kinda
difficult not to see the rest of the subject header. For you, its
just another off-topic subject. But, to Bill, its much more
meaningful.
He probably came here to get away from his problems...not to have
somebody amplify his condition with a reminder.
Just my 2¢...
Have a nice week...
Trent©
What do you call a smart blonde?
A golden retriever.
Well good then. I am glad you are taking the advice and getting your
prescriptions refilled and taking some time to review Mr. Rogers
Neighborhood programs again. I know you'll learn something from them as Fred
has a way of teaching the lessons so that even the very young ones can
understand him.
Good for you Bill!
"Bill Rogers" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:19:16 -0400, "Mark Hopkins"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Right. Perhaps when your turn comes along we can all line up and put our
> >boots up your backside too.
>
> Well, I was right about the no-brainer.
>
> Bill.
>
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:47:34 GMT, Terry <[email protected]>
wrote:
We all die. That's life. There are just more appropriate places to
discuss it. I'm dealing with cancer. Big deal. I'm here to hear and
learn about woodworking techniques, presuming anyone in these multiple
off-topic ramblings know any.
Bill.
>If you don't mind input from an old Heathen, the way I view the death of
>anyone is: "What is remembered, lives!" As long as even one person has
>even one memory of them, then they are not truly gone.
>
>charlie b wrote:
>> My neighbor, a good son, a good brother, a good husband, a great dad
>> to four small kids and a wonderful friend and neighbor died of a heart
>> attack this morning, at a basketball camp - at the age of 36.
><snip>
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 20:58:17 +0000, Pat Barber wrote:
> Then I'm sure you remember the 96 column thing that IBM tried on the older
> S/3 ???
>
> I was trained on old unit record equipment around 1969 and it was just
> about over in less than 5 years.
>
> That new fangled floppy disk came out and pooooof .... No more punched
> cards.
> Now no more floppy disk.
>
> Computer folks have seen a lot of changes in 30 years.
I kind of miss the IBM 7074 with 32K oil warmed (50 gallons of oil) memory
(36 bit words). Had to turn on the oil heater a day or two ahead of
booting.
-Doug
--
"If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples
then you and I will still each have one apple.
But if you have an idea and I have one idea and we exchange these
ideas,then each of us will have two ideas" George B. Shaw
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:34:40 -0700, Doug Winterburn wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 20:58:17 +0000, Pat Barber wrote:
>
>> Then I'm sure you remember the 96 column thing that IBM tried on the
>> older S/3 ???
>>
>> I was trained on old unit record equipment around 1969 and it was just
>> about over in less than 5 years.
>>
>> That new fangled floppy disk came out and pooooof .... No more punched
>> cards.
>> Now no more floppy disk.
>>
>> Computer folks have seen a lot of changes in 30 years.
>
> I kind of miss the IBM 7074 with 32K oil warmed (50 gallons of oil) memory
> (36 bit words). Had to turn on the oil heater a day or two ahead of
> booting.
Oops, 7094.
>
> -Doug
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"If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples
then you and I will still each have one apple.
But if you have an idea and I have one idea and we exchange these
ideas,then each of us will have two ideas" George B. Shaw
to borrow from an old saying,
it's better to be thought an insensitive a$$hole then open one's mouth
and prove it.
You shoulda taken note of the "OT" and shuddup, dearie.
R
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:04:31 -0400, Bill Rogers <[email protected]>
wrote:
>We all die. That's life. There are just more appropriate places to
>discuss it. I'm dealing with cancer. Big deal. I'm here to hear and
>learn about woodworking techniques, presuming anyone in these multiple
>off-topic ramblings know any.
>
>Bill.
>
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:19:16 -0400, "Mark Hopkins"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Right. Perhaps when your turn comes along we can all line up and put our
>boots up your backside too.
Well, I was right about the no-brainer.
Bill.
On 15 Jul 2004 01:59:43 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>> We all die. That's life. There are just more appropriate places to
>> discuss it. I'm dealing with cancer. Big deal. I'm here to hear and
>> learn about woodworking techniques, presuming anyone in these multiple
>> off-topic ramblings know any.
>
>So put the OT in the subject line in your killfile and get on with it,
>Bill. If your newsreader doesn't support that, download a real one.
That's a weak answer. You're in a movie theater and people behind you
are talking loudly to each other. In fact, a whole lot of people are
doing the same thing. ...so plug your ears.
Bill.