I've been getting a kind of secret thrill when I repair people's slate siding
shingles, because they usually are the kind who can't afford a complete
siding job and anyway don't want to get involved in the murky and possibly
dangerous (legally and healthwise) world of hazardous substances. The
original shingles do have a high asbestos content. The reason for the thrill
is that I can offer them the choice of repair, ending up with some very happy
customers. ("Didn't think they made those
anymore!") GAF makes the shingles, identical to to the original only no
asbestos, I believe the material is ferrocement. I haven't looked into
local ordinances or checked with the EPA and was hoping to find out here
if there is any controversy over what I'm doing in just replacing these
shingles in small quantity, maybe as much as 2 squares on any given
job. I'm sure there are rules at least concerning disposal, if not removal.
The removal method by default doesn't involve much dust, because great
care has to be used to avoid cracking the good shingles.
"BUB 209" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I haven't looked into
> local ordinances or checked with the EPA and was hoping to find out here
> if there is any controversy over what I'm doing in just replacing these
> shingles in small quantity, maybe as much as 2 squares on any given
> job. I'm sure there are rules at least concerning disposal, if not
removal.
> The removal method by default doesn't involve much dust, because great
> care has to be used to avoid cracking the good shingles.
I believe it is highly illegal for you to remove asbestos shingles for pay,
unless you have the proper liecences to do so!
I would not go around talking about it untill you know far sure! You may be
talking to an OSHA or EPA employee and end up with some major fines!
Whether it is one shingle or a whole house, it makes no differant to the
government.
Do your research!
On the other hand, most places allow homeowners to do their own asbestos
removal. You just can not do it for someone else!
Greg
Greg O wrote:
> "BUB 209" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> I haven't looked into
>>local ordinances or checked with the EPA and was hoping to find out here
>>if there is any controversy over what I'm doing in just replacing these
>>shingles in small quantity, maybe as much as 2 squares on any given
>>job. I'm sure there are rules at least concerning disposal, if not
>
> removal.
>
>>The removal method by default doesn't involve much dust, because great
>>care has to be used to avoid cracking the good shingles.
>
>
> I believe it is highly illegal for you to remove asbestos shingles for pay,
> unless you have the proper liecences to do so!
> I would not go around talking about it untill you know far sure! You may be
> talking to an OSHA or EPA employee and end up with some major fines!
> Whether it is one shingle or a whole house, it makes no differant to the
> government.
> Do your research!
>
> On the other hand, most places allow homeowners to do their own asbestos
> removal. You just can not do it for someone else!
> Greg
>
>
How is OSHA gonna get involved if it's a one guy operation?
dave
>How is OSHA gonna get involved if it's a one guy operation?
>
My first step will be going to the town
hall first. They could probably fill me in
on OSHA, too. The guv-mint is the
guv-mint, they didn't care if I was one
guy when they socked me $5,000.00
for sloppy recordkeeping when my
business was audited. Did you ever
hear the story about the eagle feather
that was in the suncatcher that some
devoted fan sent to Hillary Clinton?
> How is OSHA gonna get involved if it's a one guy operation?
OSHA might not but you are in violation of SARA title III rules and if
caught are subject to being looked at by other government pests. SARA
enforcement falls under the LEPC (Local Emergency Planning Committee ) which
includes all local emergency service providers (fire, police, EMS, EMA
(Local FEMA), Health dept., OSHA, etc. and local business reps,) all of
which can enforce the rules under EMA guidelines. If found in violation of
SARA Title III rules you are subject to $5000 a day per incident fines and
each day starts a new incident while the previous days incident gets another
5 grand tacked to it.
You would not believe what SARA covers saw one old man fined $5000 for
pouring motor oil on an ant hill.
You might check and see if your local community enforces SARA title III
rules and to what extent, if is left very much up to locals as to what they
do with the rules.
>OSHA might not but you are in violation of SARA title III rules and if
>caught are subject to being looked at by other government pests. SARA
>enforcement falls under the LEPC (Local Emergency Planning Committee ) which
>includes all local emergency service providers (fire, police, EMS, EMA
>(Local FEMA), Health dept., OSHA, etc. and local business reps,) all of
>which can enforce the rules under EMA guidelines. If found in violation of
>SARA Title III rules you are subject to $5000 a day per incident fines and
>each day starts a new incident while the previous days incident gets another
>5 grand tacked to it.
>
>You would not believe what SARA covers saw one old man fined $5000 for
>pouring motor oil on an ant hill.
>
>You might check and see if your local community enforces SARA title III
>rules and to what extent, if is left very much up to locals as to what they
>do with the rules.
>
>
>
>
>
I didn't post the original post. It was this
person who keeps playing practical jokes
on me. Honest.
Not to worry about me I am out of that business now. Too much strain
"BUB 209" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >OSHA might not but you are in violation of SARA title III rules and if
> >caught are subject to being looked at by other government pests. SARA
> >enforcement falls under the LEPC (Local Emergency Planning Committee )
which
> >includes all local emergency service providers (fire, police, EMS, EMA
> >(Local FEMA), Health dept., OSHA, etc. and local business reps,) all of
> >which can enforce the rules under EMA guidelines. If found in violation
of
> >SARA Title III rules you are subject to $5000 a day per incident fines
and
> >each day starts a new incident while the previous days incident gets
another
> >5 grand tacked to it.
> >
> >You would not believe what SARA covers saw one old man fined $5000 for
> >pouring motor oil on an ant hill.
> >
> >You might check and see if your local community enforces SARA title III
> >rules and to what extent, if is left very much up to locals as to what
they
> >do with the rules.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> I didn't post the original post. It was this
> person who keeps playing practical jokes
> on me. Honest.
"Greg O" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "BUB 209" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I haven't looked into
> > local ordinances or checked with the EPA and was hoping to find out here
> > if there is any controversy over what I'm doing in just replacing these
> > shingles in small quantity, maybe as much as 2 squares on any given
> > job. I'm sure there are rules at least concerning disposal, if not
> removal.
> > The removal method by default doesn't involve much dust, because great
> > care has to be used to avoid cracking the good shingles.
>
> I believe it is highly illegal for you to remove asbestos shingles for
pay,
> unless you have the proper liecences to do so!
> I would not go around talking about it untill you know far sure! You may
be
> talking to an OSHA or EPA employee and end up with some major fines!
> Whether it is one shingle or a whole house, it makes no differant to the
> government.
> Do your research!
Here is a good place to start.
http://www.ehso.com/ehshome/asbestoshomeshingles.php
-Jack
BUB 209 wrote:
> I've been getting a kind of secret thrill when I repair people's slate
> siding shingles, because they usually are the kind who can't afford a
> complete siding job and anyway don't want to get involved in the murky and
> possibly
> dangerous (legally and healthwise) world of hazardous substances. The
> original shingles do have a high asbestos content. The reason for the
> thrill is that I can offer them the choice of repair, ending up with some
> very happy
> customers. ("Didn't think they made those
> anymore!") GAF makes the shingles, identical to to the original only no
> asbestos, I believe the material is ferrocement. I haven't looked into
> local ordinances or checked with the EPA and was hoping to find out here
> if there is any controversy over what I'm doing in just replacing these
> shingles in small quantity, maybe as much as 2 squares on any given
> job. I'm sure there are rules at least concerning disposal, if not
> removal. The removal method by default doesn't involve much dust, because
> great care has to be used to avoid cracking the good shingles.
Talk to the gummint. In real-world terms what you're doing probably isn't
putting anybody at any kind of risk, but in bureaucrat-world terms you're
probably committing a crime more horrible than mass-murder. And
unfortunately the bureaucrats are the ones who are going to arrest you and
fine you and make they rest of your life miserable in countless petty ways.
--
--John
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