not satisfied with his explanation for that folder over fence addition
is he correct or is there some other reason for that
never have liked gimmicks and maybe it is useful but i cannot see it
especially on time tested setups like a table saw rip fence
https://youtu.be/iAwjCykzS_8
the on off switch problem is somewhat ridiculous
that problem was never encountered in testing or it is a feature
seems hard to believe they missed that problem
or is the videographer using it wrong
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 11:08:42 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 2/24/2018 9:45 AM, Jack wrote:
>> On 2/23/2018 11:57 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 2/23/2018 9:30 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>> On 2/22/2018 2:39 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> not satisfied with his explanation for that folder over fence addition
>>>>> is he correct or is there some other reason for that
>>>>>
>>>>> never have liked gimmicks and maybe it is useful but i cannot see it
>>>>> especially on time tested setups like a table saw rip fence
>>>>>
>>>>> https://youtu.be/iAwjCykzS_8
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> the on off switch problem is somewhat ridiculous
>>>>>
>>>>> that problem was never encountered in testing or it is a feature
>>>>> seems hard to believe they missed that problem
>>>>>
>>>>> or is the videographer using it wrong
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I think a battery powered stationary TS is rather lame.
>>>> If I want to use a ts, and be bothered carrying around a large tool
>>>> like that, I might as well plug it in. Otherwise, circular saws with
>>>> tails are good for outside, and a circular saw with battery is great
>>>> for a couple of cuts in the shop that don't work well on a normal TS,
>>>> like cutting 2" off the ends of a 16 foot 2x, or breaking down a full
>>>> sheet of plywood to fit better on a "real" TS.
>>>>
>>>> Moreover, about my only concern with that piece is how long the
>>>> battery would last. He went over everything but that? Dumb on all
>>>> counts.
>>>>
>>>> Could there be a reason to own one of these, I think possibly a craft
>>>> lady/man/whatever might use one for something, but probably not a wood
>>>> worker with regular tools. My guess is even the craft
>>>> lady/man/whatever would be concerned about battery life more than
>>>> anything else.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think this saw is aimed at the trades/new build site that has no
>>> electricity set up yet. Not uncommon at all.
>>
>> Right, better to bring a pickup truck full of batteries than a generator
>> or a temporary hookup that can run all your tools, not just a toy saw. I
>> don't think it'll be common to see this thing on many building sites,
>> but that's just my opinion. Obviously some marketing person thinks I'm
>> wrong. I wish them luck.
>>
>
>Battery charge life should not be an issue for the trimmer.
Yeah, I had a little Makita 3-3/8" 9.6V circular saw. It was great
for cedar siding (what I bought it for) but wasn't worth a damn on
3/4" ply. It did it's job and was small enough to use when working on
a ladder. I no longer have the house so there isn't much use for the
saw, either.
I now have a Dewalt ~6" cordless saw. It's OK for plywood but not
much. The same motor, mounted in a table, would probably work quite
well for trim. Decent Li-Ion batteries, rather than the wimpy NiCds
would do wonders, too.
On 2/23/2018 9:30 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 2/22/2018 2:39 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
>>
>> not satisfied with his explanation for that folder over fence addition
>> is he correct or is there some other reason for that
>>
>> never have liked gimmicks and maybe it is useful but i cannot see it
>> especially on time tested setups like a table saw rip fence
>>
>> https://youtu.be/iAwjCykzS_8
>>
>>
>> the on off switch problem is somewhat ridiculous
>>
>> that problem was never encountered in testing or it is a feature
>> seems hard to believe they missed that problem
>>
>> or is the videographer using it wrong
>
> Personally, I think a battery powered stationary TS is rather lame. If
> I want to use a ts, and be bothered carrying around a large tool like
> that, I might as well plug it in. Otherwise, circular saws with tails
> are good for outside, and a circular saw with battery is great for a
> couple of cuts in the shop that don't work well on a normal TS, like
> cutting 2" off the ends of a 16 foot 2x, or breaking down a full sheet
> of plywood to fit better on a "real" TS.
>
> Moreover, about my only concern with that piece is how long the battery
> would last. He went over everything but that? Dumb on all counts.
>
> Could there be a reason to own one of these, I think possibly a craft
> lady/man/whatever might use one for something, but probably not a wood
> worker with regular tools. My guess is even the craft lady/man/whatever
> would be concerned about battery life more than anything else.
>
I think this saw is aimed at the trades/new build site that has no
electricity set up yet. Not uncommon at all.
On 2/24/2018 9:45 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 2/23/2018 11:57 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 2/23/2018 9:30 AM, Jack wrote:
>>> On 2/22/2018 2:39 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
>>>>
>>>> not satisfied with his explanation for that folder over fence addition
>>>> is he correct or is there some other reason for that
>>>>
>>>> never have liked gimmicks and maybe it is useful but i cannot see it
>>>> especially on time tested setups like a table saw rip fence
>>>>
>>>> https://youtu.be/iAwjCykzS_8
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> the on off switch problem is somewhat ridiculous
>>>>
>>>> that problem was never encountered in testing or it is a feature
>>>> seems hard to believe they missed that problem
>>>>
>>>> or is the videographer using it wrong
>>>
>>> Personally, I think a battery powered stationary TS is rather lame.
>>> If I want to use a ts, and be bothered carrying around a large tool
>>> like that, I might as well plug it in. Otherwise, circular saws with
>>> tails are good for outside, and a circular saw with battery is great
>>> for a couple of cuts in the shop that don't work well on a normal TS,
>>> like cutting 2" off the ends of a 16 foot 2x, or breaking down a full
>>> sheet of plywood to fit better on a "real" TS.
>>>
>>> Moreover, about my only concern with that piece is how long the
>>> battery would last. He went over everything but that? Dumb on all
>>> counts.
>>>
>>> Could there be a reason to own one of these, I think possibly a craft
>>> lady/man/whatever might use one for something, but probably not a wood
>>> worker with regular tools. My guess is even the craft
>>> lady/man/whatever would be concerned about battery life more than
>>> anything else.
>>>
>>
>> I think this saw is aimed at the trades/new build site that has no
>> electricity set up yet. Not uncommon at all.
>
> Right, better to bring a pickup truck full of batteries than a generator
> or a temporary hookup that can run all your tools, not just a toy saw. I
> don't think it'll be common to see this thing on many building sites,
> but that's just my opinion. Obviously some marketing person thinks I'm
> wrong. I wish them luck.
>
Battery charge life should not be an issue for the trimmer.
On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 10:30:42 AM UTC-5, Jack Stein wrote:
> On 2/22/2018 2:39 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> >
> > not satisfied with his explanation for that folder over fence addition
> > is he correct or is there some other reason for that
> >
> > never have liked gimmicks and maybe it is useful but i cannot see it
> > especially on time tested setups like a table saw rip fence
> >
> > https://youtu.be/iAwjCykzS_8
> >
> >
> > the on off switch problem is somewhat ridiculous
> >
> > that problem was never encountered in testing or it is a feature
> > seems hard to believe they missed that problem
> >
> > or is the videographer using it wrong
>
> Personally, I think a battery powered stationary TS is rather lame. If
> I want to use a ts, and be bothered carrying around a large tool like
> that, I might as well plug it in. Otherwise, circular saws with tails
> are good for outside, and a circular saw with battery is great for a
> couple of cuts in the shop that don't work well on a normal TS, like
> cutting 2" off the ends of a 16 foot 2x, or breaking down a full sheet
> of plywood to fit better on a "real" TS.
>
> Moreover, about my only concern with that piece is how long the battery
> would last. He went over everything but that? Dumb on all counts.
>
> Could there be a reason to own one of these, I think possibly a craft
> lady/man/whatever might use one for something, but probably not a wood
> worker with regular tools. My guess is even the craft lady/man/whatever
> would be concerned about battery life more than anything
If the battery lasts or you have multiples or a way to charge them (lots of if's) then I can
see a use in remote sites such as a cabin build or a dock by a pond. Yes, a generator could
be hauled in, but that requires cords and gas and certainly more weight.
I've been on a build where we brought supplies and tools in with 4 wheelers and small trailers
via rough trails. I remember my buddy telling me that getting the generator there was a real
pain. He left it at the cabin for occasional use, but it sure disturbs the peace and quiet. A wood
stove and lanterns were the norm.
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 10:49:13 -0800, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 11:22:06 -0500
>Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> My main concern would be battery life, which he ignored. TS's use a
>> good bit of juice compared to a little drill. Battery powered
>
>the batteries are considered consumables so they want you to buy lots
>of them
>
>and if you buy all dewalt you will have spares for other tools
If you spend a lot of money for the tools with batteries and chargers,
sure. It's a lot cheaper to buy tools without these, however. One
only needs so many batteries.
>
>> Yeah, emergency TS use. Limited/no demand for that at best.
>
>also in some places power is not on twenty four seven so they would
>charge during the day and use after sundown
>
>no question that ts has limited use cases
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 10:49:06 -0800, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 10:30:34 -0500
>Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Personally, I think a battery powered stationary TS is rather lame.
>
>it really is in the sense that use cases are so limited
>
>> Moreover, about my only concern with that piece is how long the
>> battery would last. He went over everything but that? Dumb on all
>
>not a great review and he blabbed on about stuff that he thought
>viewers cared about
>
>
>> Could there be a reason to own one of these, I think possibly a craft
>> lady/man/whatever might use one for something, but probably not a
>> wood worker with regular tools. My guess is even the craft
>> lady/man/whatever would be concerned about battery life more than
>> anything else.
>
>one use case is when doing work when the house is changing tenancy and
>the power is not on yet
Or during construction--if all your tools are cordless you don't need
a generator or temporary power drop.
On 2/22/2018 2:39 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
>
> not satisfied with his explanation for that folder over fence addition
> is he correct or is there some other reason for that
>
> never have liked gimmicks and maybe it is useful but i cannot see it
> especially on time tested setups like a table saw rip fence
>
> https://youtu.be/iAwjCykzS_8
>
>
> the on off switch problem is somewhat ridiculous
>
> that problem was never encountered in testing or it is a feature
> seems hard to believe they missed that problem
>
> or is the videographer using it wrong
Personally, I think a battery powered stationary TS is rather lame. If
I want to use a ts, and be bothered carrying around a large tool like
that, I might as well plug it in. Otherwise, circular saws with tails
are good for outside, and a circular saw with battery is great for a
couple of cuts in the shop that don't work well on a normal TS, like
cutting 2" off the ends of a 16 foot 2x, or breaking down a full sheet
of plywood to fit better on a "real" TS.
Moreover, about my only concern with that piece is how long the battery
would last. He went over everything but that? Dumb on all counts.
Could there be a reason to own one of these, I think possibly a craft
lady/man/whatever might use one for something, but probably not a wood
worker with regular tools. My guess is even the craft lady/man/whatever
would be concerned about battery life more than anything else.
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 10:30:34 -0500
Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
> Personally, I think a battery powered stationary TS is rather lame.
it really is in the sense that use cases are so limited
> Moreover, about my only concern with that piece is how long the
> battery would last. He went over everything but that? Dumb on all
not a great review and he blabbed on about stuff that he thought
viewers cared about
> Could there be a reason to own one of these, I think possibly a craft
> lady/man/whatever might use one for something, but probably not a
> wood worker with regular tools. My guess is even the craft
> lady/man/whatever would be concerned about battery life more than
> anything else.
one use case is when doing work when the house is changing tenancy and
the power is not on yet
On 2/23/2018 11:57 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 2/23/2018 9:30 AM, Jack wrote:
>> On 2/22/2018 2:39 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
>>>
>>> not satisfied with his explanation for that folder over fence addition
>>> is he correct or is there some other reason for that
>>>
>>> never have liked gimmicks and maybe it is useful but i cannot see it
>>> especially on time tested setups like a table saw rip fence
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/iAwjCykzS_8
>>>
>>>
>>> the on off switch problem is somewhat ridiculous
>>>
>>> that problem was never encountered in testing or it is a feature
>>> seems hard to believe they missed that problem
>>>
>>> or is the videographer using it wrong
>>
>> Personally, I think a battery powered stationary TS is rather lame.
>> If I want to use a ts, and be bothered carrying around a large tool
>> like that, I might as well plug it in. Otherwise, circular saws with
>> tails are good for outside, and a circular saw with battery is great
>> for a couple of cuts in the shop that don't work well on a normal TS,
>> like cutting 2" off the ends of a 16 foot 2x, or breaking down a full
>> sheet of plywood to fit better on a "real" TS.
>>
>> Moreover, about my only concern with that piece is how long the
>> battery would last. He went over everything but that? Dumb on all
>> counts.
>>
>> Could there be a reason to own one of these, I think possibly a craft
>> lady/man/whatever might use one for something, but probably not a wood
>> worker with regular tools. My guess is even the craft
>> lady/man/whatever would be concerned about battery life more than
>> anything else.
>>
>
> I think this saw is aimed at the trades/new build site that has no
> electricity set up yet. Not uncommon at all.
Right, better to bring a pickup truck full of batteries than a generator
or a temporary hookup that can run all your tools, not just a toy saw.
I don't think it'll be common to see this thing on many building sites,
but that's just my opinion. Obviously some marketing person thinks I'm
wrong. I wish them luck.
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com
On 2/24/18 7:50 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 10:49:06 -0800, Electric Comet
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 10:30:34 -0500 Jack <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Personally, I think a battery powered stationary TS is rather
>>> lame.
>>
>> it really is in the sense that use cases are so limited
>>
>>> Moreover, about my only concern with that piece is how long the
>>> battery would last. He went over everything but that? Dumb on
>>> all
>>
>> not a great review and he blabbed on about stuff that he thought
>> viewers cared about
>>
>>
>>> Could there be a reason to own one of these, I think possibly a
>>> craft lady/man/whatever might use one for something, but probably
>>> not a wood worker with regular tools. My guess is even the craft
>>> lady/man/whatever would be concerned about battery life more
>>> than anything else.
>>
>> one use case is when doing work when the house is changing tenancy
>> and the power is not on yet
>
> Or during construction--if all your tools are cordless you don't
> need a generator or temporary power drop.
>
Except to charge your batteries. :-)
Seriously, if I went that route, I'd make darn sure I had a LOT of
batteries.
Funny, I just had this discussion last week with a guy with whom I
partnered on a deck repair job. On the 1st day on the job we brought up
the subject of DeWalt's battery CMS and we were both like, "Why on earth
would you ever need something like that."
The next day, we popped a breaker using a portable tablesaw and a
way-too-long and thin extension cord. We spent 30 minutes trying to
find the breaker or GFI receptacle that had popped and couldn't find it.
We both looked at each other and said, at the same time, "I guess now
we know why you'd want a battery powered CMS," and had a good laugh.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com
On 2/23/2018 1:49 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 10:30:34 -0500
> Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Personally, I think a battery powered stationary TS is rather lame.
>
> it really is in the sense that use cases are so limited
>
>> Moreover, about my only concern with that piece is how long the
>> battery would last. He went over everything but that? Dumb on all
>
> not a great review and he blabbed on about stuff that he thought
> viewers cared about
My main concern would be battery life, which he ignored. TS's use a
good bit of juice compared to a little drill. Battery powered circular
saws of which I have one, are nice for a couple of cuts when you don't
feel like digging out and hooking up a regular saw, but not for general
use where *I* think they would go through batteries like a hot knife
through butter. Mine does, I know that. He made exactly one cut through
one piece of wood. Note that on about every single drill review they
drill a billion holes in wood to see how long the battery holds up.
Here, where a normal person should really question battery life on one
of these, he completely ignores it. This tells me that battery life sucks.
>> Could there be a reason to own one of these, I think possibly a craft
>> lady/man/whatever might use one for something, but probably not a
>> wood worker with regular tools. My guess is even the craft
>> lady/man/whatever would be concerned about battery life more than
>> anything else.
>
> one use case is when doing work when the house is changing tenancy and
> the power is not on yet
Yeah, emergency TS use. Limited/no demand for that at best.
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 11:22:06 -0500
Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
> My main concern would be battery life, which he ignored. TS's use a
> good bit of juice compared to a little drill. Battery powered
the batteries are considered consumables so they want you to buy lots
of them
and if you buy all dewalt you will have spares for other tools
> Yeah, emergency TS use. Limited/no demand for that at best.
also in some places power is not on twenty four seven so they would
charge during the day and use after sundown
no question that ts has limited use cases
I can see the use down at the lake house where you are fixing up stuff.
Can't haul a full one down there.
It is take, use, bring back. Thieves.
Martin
On 2/23/2018 9:30 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 2/22/2018 2:39 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
>>
>> not satisfied with his explanation for that folder over fence addition
>> is he correct or is there some other reason for that
>>
>> never have liked gimmicks and maybe it is useful but i cannot see it
>> especially on time tested setups like a table saw rip fence
>>
>> https://youtu.be/iAwjCykzS_8
>>
>>
>> the on off switch problem is somewhat ridiculous
>>
>> that problem was never encountered in testing or it is a feature
>> seems hard to believe they missed that problem
>>
>> or is the videographer using it wrong
>
> Personally, I think a battery powered stationary TS is rather lame. If
> I want to use a ts, and be bothered carrying around a large tool like
> that, I might as well plug it in. Otherwise, circular saws with tails
> are good for outside, and a circular saw with battery is great for a
> couple of cuts in the shop that don't work well on a normal TS, like
> cutting 2" off the ends of a 16 foot 2x, or breaking down a full sheet
> of plywood to fit better on a "real" TS.
>
> Moreover, about my only concern with that piece is how long the battery
> would last. He went over everything but that? Dumb on all counts.
>
> Could there be a reason to own one of these, I think possibly a craft
> lady/man/whatever might use one for something, but probably not a wood
> worker with regular tools. My guess is even the craft lady/man/whatever
> would be concerned about battery life more than anything else.
>