how many tape measures in your shop

On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 1:21:53 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 12:55:13 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> > On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:09:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >On 4/25/2016 8:44 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > >> On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:18:07 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> > >>> On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 19:54:24 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> On 4/24/2016 4:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> I have one more than I had Friday. One I lent to my eldest daughter
> > >>>>> came back home.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Reminds me of the contest at the Liars Club. Each member got up and
> > >>>> told an elaborate story. Some were truly believable. Last guy got up
> > >>>> and said, "I have an adult child and a flashlight and they both work".
> > >>> Thankfully both of my girls work. Both have pretty responsible
> > >>> positions - doing well for themselves
> > >>
> > >> All 4 kids work. 2 of them are doing it in the spare time they have while pursuing
> > >> a Masters Degree. 1 of those will be graduating with a dual Masters in May. She's
> > >> worked within her chosen career field since her first semester at her undergrad
> > >> school.
> > >>
> > >> I'm a proud poppa.
> > >>
> > >
> > >Yeah, but what about the flashlights?
> > Safe to say they are not quite as bright as the kids - - -
>
> tape measures or flashlights? :)
> I have seen some pretty bright freebies :)

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On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 10:35:56 -0700, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 15:01:36 -0700
>"Bob La Londe" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> time. I don't even know how many taper measures are in the shop, but
>> if I count the ones in the shop, garage, wife's work room, and my
>> service trucks and could find them all the count might be an order of
>> magnitude more than five.
>
>i only counted the ones in the shop
>there are more around somewhere
>
>i have a real old and fragile one that i got as a hand me down from
>someone but do not recall who
>
>it is a narrow tape and maybe 10 footer
>
I have one more than I had Friday. One I lent to my eldest daughter
came back home.

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>"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
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>>2 in the shop, at the moment.

>Four in my shop if you count the ones in my tool box as well as the ones on
>the workbench shelf.

>>Now ask me about the garage, kitchen, offices (home and work), vehicles,
>>trailer, basement, etc.

>Ditto... I can see three on the book shelf in my office alone!


Thinking about this for a moment I've got to wonder what this obsession with
measuring is all about... ;~)

krw <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 15:24:33 -0500, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> i count 5 tape measures in the shop
>>>
>>> the lufkin lock broke but i still use it the others are stanley and
>>> craftsmen
>>>
>>> hf freeby is a tape measure so i go to 6
>>
>>
>>
>> It does not matter how many you have. It matters that they all measure the
>> same, and those need to measure the same as the rule on your TS.
>
> They don't need to measure the same. Jus' gotta use the same one for
> the entire job. I use the same tape setting up the cut, too.
>
>

But my TS Has its own rule and a lot more accurate than using a tape to set
the fence. It is helpful that a tape measure matches that.

Electric Comet <[email protected]> writes:
>On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 16:20:15 -0400
>[email protected] wrote:
>
>> "precise marking" with a "tape measure" is a bit of an oxymoron at
>> the best of times.
>
>long as you use the same tape measure it is fine

Your reading comprehension is poor, it seems, or you don't
understand the difference between precision and repeatability.

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:09:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 4/25/2016 8:44 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:18:07 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 19:54:24 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/24/2016 4:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have one more than I had Friday. One I lent to my eldest daughter
>>>>> came back home.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Reminds me of the contest at the Liars Club. Each member got up and
>>>> told an elaborate story. Some were truly believable. Last guy got up
>>>> and said, "I have an adult child and a flashlight and they both work".
>>> Thankfully both of my girls work. Both have pretty responsible
>>> positions - doing well for themselves
>>
>> All 4 kids work. 2 of them are doing it in the spare time they have while pursuing
>> a Masters Degree. 1 of those will be graduating with a dual Masters in May. She's
>> worked within her chosen career field since her first semester at her undergrad
>> school.
>>
>> I'm a proud poppa.
>>
>
>Yeah, but what about the flashlights?
Safe to say they are not quite as bright as the kids - - -

On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 10:09:05 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/25/2016 8:44 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:18:07 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> >> On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 19:54:24 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 4/24/2016 4:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I have one more than I had Friday. One I lent to my eldest daughter
> >>>> came back home.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Reminds me of the contest at the Liars Club. Each member got up and
> >>> told an elaborate story. Some were truly believable. Last guy got up
> >>> and said, "I have an adult child and a flashlight and they both work".
> >> Thankfully both of my girls work. Both have pretty responsible
> >> positions - doing well for themselves
> >
> > All 4 kids work. 2 of them are doing it in the spare time they have while pursuing
> > a Masters Degree. 1 of those will be graduating with a dual Masters in May. She's
> > worked within her chosen career field since her first semester at her undergrad
> > school.
> >
> > I'm a proud poppa.
> >
>
> Yeah, but what about the flashlights?

They all have flashlights. They are on their own for batteries. At some
point they need to take some responsibility for their own lives. I can't
carry them forever.

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 14:03:19 -0700, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 16:20:15 -0400
>[email protected] wrote:
>
>> "precise marking" with a "tape measure" is a bit of an oxymoron at
>> the best of times.
>
>long as you use the same tape measure it is fine
>
Leon had the counter to that. Of course the counter-counter is a
story stick. Don't care what the scale says. ;)

>

On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 14:27:32 -0400, "John Grossbohlin"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"John Grossbohlin" wrote in message
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>
>>"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>
>>>2 in the shop, at the moment.
>
>>Four in my shop if you count the ones in my tool box as well as the ones on
>>the workbench shelf.
>
>>>Now ask me about the garage, kitchen, offices (home and work), vehicles,
>>>trailer, basement, etc.
>
>>Ditto... I can see three on the book shelf in my office alone!
>
>
>Thinking about this for a moment I've got to wonder what this obsession with
>measuring is all about... ;~)

Fishing and dick size?

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:21:48 -0700 (PDT), [email protected] wrote:

>On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 12:55:13 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:09:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >On 4/25/2016 8:44 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> >> On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:18:07 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>> >>> On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 19:54:24 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 4/24/2016 4:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I have one more than I had Friday. One I lent to my eldest daughter
>> >>>>> came back home.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Reminds me of the contest at the Liars Club. Each member got up and
>> >>>> told an elaborate story. Some were truly believable. Last guy got up
>> >>>> and said, "I have an adult child and a flashlight and they both work".
>> >>> Thankfully both of my girls work. Both have pretty responsible
>> >>> positions - doing well for themselves
>> >>
>> >> All 4 kids work. 2 of them are doing it in the spare time they have while pursuing
>> >> a Masters Degree. 1 of those will be graduating with a dual Masters in May. She's
>> >> worked within her chosen career field since her first semester at her undergrad
>> >> school.
>> >>
>> >> I'm a proud poppa.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Yeah, but what about the flashlights?
>> Safe to say they are not quite as bright as the kids - - -
>
>tape measures or flashlights? :)
>I have seen some pretty bright freebies :)

I don't know about yours but my kid was NOT free. ;-)

On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 18:28:11 -0000 (UTC), John McCoy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in news:nfat1u$g74$6
>@dont-email.me:
>
>> i count 5 tape measures in the shop
>>
>> the lufkin lock broke but i still use it the others are stanley and
>> craftsmen
>>
>> hf freeby is a tape measure so i go to 6 with one semi working
>
>Probably 3. They tend to appear and disappear randomly (plus
>I think my girlfriend has my "big numbers" Lee Valley tape).
>Plus one in the truck.
>
>I don't use them all that much - most measurements I use either
>the 16" rule on my combination square, or a 4' steel rule.
>
>John
Must be fun when you start cutting 2X4s or 4X8 sheets for a
renovation job!!!!

On 4/21/2016 12:54 PM, notbob wrote:
> When I was a young carpenter trainee, my new Lufkin 25' tape broke on
> my 2nd day on the job. I undid the lock and the tape recoiled back
> into the case, as it is supposed to. When it reached the "hooked
> tab", the tab simply snapped off and the tape recoiled fully into the
> housing, rendering the unit a doorstop. I never bought another
> Lufkin, ever again. Even when SnapOn rebranded Lufkins as SnapOn's, I
> could still see they were Lufkins and wouldn't buy.
>
> I now have two Stanley's (25'/30') and an Ace Hardware (25'), which
> looks suspiciously like a rebranded Stanley. These are my "real"
> tapes. I have a few other shorter/junkier tapes, one ina day-glo
> green plastic case.
>
> Everyone is going cheap. I recall when I replaced my Lufkin with a
> 25' Stanley ('70), the Stanley had a fastener (nails, wood screws, etc)
> guide on the back of the first 2 ft of the tape. Very handy. No
> longer.:(

I have a lufkin that is probably 45 years old and it's still strong. Not
my favorite, it's an old center button lock.

But I think any tape can do that, especially one with a tightly wound
spring.

I have Stanley lever locks (which I like), but now I prefer my Komelon.
It occasionally needs an alcohol cleaning to keep from slipping, but I
like the mechanism, and tape. Light weight too.

--
Jeff

On 22 Apr 2016 15:27:52 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2016-04-22, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Yup. I treat them like pencils. I salt every place I'm likely to
>> need a rule with enough that there's always one in sight. ;-)
>
>Speaking of "in sight", one thing I'm sure of: where/whenever I find a
>tape, I know I'll find some "cheaters", nearby. ;)

I fixed that problem by needing glasses full time. My eyes went from
20:15 to can't read without prescription glasses in less than a year.

On 4/22/2016 7:36 AM, John McCoy wrote:
> [email protected] wrote in news:3kpihb95nteijggo9hldd2ag5lpkqal1rc@
> 4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 18:28:11 -0000 (UTC), John McCoy
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> I don't use them all that much - most measurements I use either
>>> the 16" rule on my combination square, or a 4' steel rule.
>
>
>> Must be fun when you start cutting 2X4s or 4X8 sheets for a
>> renovation job!!!!
>
> Don't do too much renovation :-)
>
> But yeah, long stuff over 4' the tape measure is the right tool.
> For drywall and plywood, I have a 4' square (and the ability to
> do subtraction when I need something longer than 4').
>
> John
>


I mostly use a tape measure to verify a measurement. Basically to
verify I used the correct side of a whole inch increment on a rule or
story stick. You know, LOL when the measure is upside down and the
numbers go the opposite direction.

I was certainly glad to finally be able to go up to 96" on the new
Woodpeckers story stick.

Keith Nuttle <[email protected]> wrote in news:nfb2ao$1jan$1
@gioia.aioe.org:

> I have about 4 in the 6 to 12' range, and thinking of adding another, as
> I still can not find one when I need it. I also have 3 more in the 12
> to 50' range, that stay put so I don't need as many in any one range.
>
>

Just one. Work stops until I find it, which means it never gets burried.
Sometimes something gets put on top of it, but it doesn't stay that way for
long.

I've another one out on the layout, no idea where it is. When I measure
out there, it's usually with calipers.

One or two in the tool bag in the car (I don't remember if it's just the
little one, or if I picked up a HF freebie for it. I need to if I haven't,
but if I have I don't need to.)

Hey, maybe next April Lee Valley will come out with a folding story stick!

Puckdropper

Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote in news:8qSdnRVQI_EzwYDKnZ2dnUU7-
> [email protected]:
>
>> Reminds me of the contest at the Liars Club. Each member got up and
>> told an elaborate story. Some were truly believable. Last guy got
>> up and said, "I have an adult child and a flashlight and they both
>> work".
>
> I have two adult sons, both working -- one as a technical writer (and
> raising a family besides), the other as a lawyer.

Yes, but you said nothing about the flashlight!

Puckdropper

DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 9:51:51 PM UTC-4,
> [email protected] wrote:
>> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>> > Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote in news:8qSdnRVQI_EzwYDKnZ2dnUU7-
>> > [email protected]:
>> >
>> >> Reminds me of the contest at the Liars Club. Each member got up
>> >> and told an elaborate story. Some were truly believable. Last
>> >> guy got up and said, "I have an adult child and a flashlight and
>> >> they both work".
>> >
>> > I have two adult sons, both working -- one as a technical writer
>> > (and raising a family besides), the other as a lawyer.
>>
>> Yes, but you said nothing about the flashlight!
>>
>> Puckdropper
>
> But it sounds like his sons are pretty bright.
>

I bet when they were born, they were so bright he called them "sun".

Puckdropper

On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 7:03:40 PM UTC-4, krw wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:21:48 -0700 (PDT), [email protected] wrote:
>
> >On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 12:55:13 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> >> On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:09:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 4/25/2016 8:44 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >> >> On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:18:07 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> >> >>> On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 19:54:24 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On 4/24/2016 4:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> I have one more than I had Friday. One I lent to my eldest daughter
> >> >>>>> came back home.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Reminds me of the contest at the Liars Club. Each member got up and
> >> >>>> told an elaborate story. Some were truly believable. Last guy got up
> >> >>>> and said, "I have an adult child and a flashlight and they both work".
> >> >>> Thankfully both of my girls work. Both have pretty responsible
> >> >>> positions - doing well for themselves
> >> >>
> >> >> All 4 kids work. 2 of them are doing it in the spare time they have while pursuing
> >> >> a Masters Degree. 1 of those will be graduating with a dual Masters in May. She's
> >> >> worked within her chosen career field since her first semester at her undergrad
> >> >> school.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm a proud poppa.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Yeah, but what about the flashlights?
> >> Safe to say they are not quite as bright as the kids - - -
> >
> >tape measures or flashlights? :)
> >I have seen some pretty bright freebies :)
>
> I don't know about yours but my kid was NOT free. ;-)

true dat :)

On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 5:09:39 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:21:48 -0700 (PDT), [email protected] wrote:
>
> >On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 12:55:13 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> >> On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:09:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 4/25/2016 8:44 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >> >> On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:18:07 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> >> >>> On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 19:54:24 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On 4/24/2016 4:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> I have one more than I had Friday. One I lent to my eldest daughter
> >> >>>>> came back home.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Reminds me of the contest at the Liars Club. Each member got up and
> >> >>>> told an elaborate story. Some were truly believable. Last guy got up
> >> >>>> and said, "I have an adult child and a flashlight and they both work".
> >> >>> Thankfully both of my girls work. Both have pretty responsible
> >> >>> positions - doing well for themselves
> >> >>
> >> >> All 4 kids work. 2 of them are doing it in the spare time they have while pursuing
> >> >> a Masters Degree. 1 of those will be graduating with a dual Masters in May. She's
> >> >> worked within her chosen career field since her first semester at her undergrad
> >> >> school.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm a proud poppa.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Yeah, but what about the flashlights?
> >> Safe to say they are not quite as bright as the kids - - -
> >
> >tape measures or flashlights? :)
> >I have seen some pretty bright freebies :)
> Bright kids with 2 masters degrees hopefully more usefull than the
> free flashlight.

Time will tell...time will tell.

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 14:03:19 -0700, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 16:20:15 -0400
>[email protected] wrote:
>
>> "precise marking" with a "tape measure" is a bit of an oxymoron at
>> the best of times.
>
>long as you use the same tape measure it is fine
>
Depends on your definition of "precision" - and you need to keep the
temperature reasoably close to the same too., and make sure the tape
is suppoerted - any sag will make the tape over-measure.

On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 2:31:38 PM UTC-4, John McCoy wrote:
> Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in news:nfat1u$g74$6
> @dont-email.me:
>
> > i count 5 tape measures in the shop
> >
> > the lufkin lock broke but i still use it the others are stanley and
> > craftsmen
> >
> > hf freeby is a tape measure so i go to 6 with one semi working
>
> Probably 3. They tend to appear and disappear randomly (plus
> I think my girlfriend has my "big numbers" Lee Valley tape).
> Plus one in the truck.
>
> I don't use them all that much - most measurements I use either
> the 16" rule on my combination square, or a 4' steel rule.
>
> John

Just don't use a cloth tape. They stretch. Measuring tapes that stretch
will give you inaccurate numbers. DAMHIKT

On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 09:00:34 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 11:57:01 AM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
>> i count 5 tape measures in the shop
>>
>> the lufkin lock broke but i still use it the others are stanley and
>> craftsmen
>>
>> hf freeby is a tape measure so i go to 6 with one semi working
>
>2 in the shop, at the moment.
>
>Now ask me about the garage, kitchen, offices (home and work), vehicles,
>trailer, basement, etc.

Yup. I treat them like pencils. I salt every place I'm likely to
need a rule with enough that there's always one in sight. ;-)

On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 2:27:25 PM UTC-4, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> "John Grossbohlin" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> >>2 in the shop, at the moment.
>
> >Four in my shop if you count the ones in my tool box as well as the ones on
> >the workbench shelf.
>
> >>Now ask me about the garage, kitchen, offices (home and work), vehicles,
> >>trailer, basement, etc.
>
> >Ditto... I can see three on the book shelf in my office alone!
>
>
> Thinking about this for a moment I've got to wonder what this obsession with
> measuring is all about... ;~)

I can't even tell you where most of them came from. I know I bought the
Stanley Max 30', and the 2 (3?) HF's were free, but the smaller ones
(15', 10', even 3') just sort of appeared over the years.

On 4/24/2016 4:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:

> I have one more than I had Friday. One I lent to my eldest daughter
> came back home.
>

Reminds me of the contest at the Liars Club. Each member got up and
told an elaborate story. Some were truly believable. Last guy got up
and said, "I have an adult child and a flashlight and they both work".

Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
> i count 5 tape measures in the shop
>
> the lufkin lock broke but i still use it the others are stanley and
> craftsmen
>
> hf freeby is a tape measure so i go to 6



It does not matter how many you have. It matters that they all measure the
same, and those need to measure the same as the rule on your TS.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 18:24:00 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On 22 Apr 2016 15:27:52 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>On 2016-04-22, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yup. I treat them like pencils. I salt every place I'm likely to
> >>> need a rule with enough that there's always one in sight. ;-)
> >>
> >>Speaking of "in sight", one thing I'm sure of: where/whenever I find a
> >>tape, I know I'll find some "cheaters", nearby. ;)
> >
> >I fixed that problem by needing glasses full time. My eyes went from
> >20:15 to can't read without prescription glasses in less than a year.
> Them durn "cadillacs" in the eyes 'll do that!!

I'm still 20:15. The trouble is that I'm not 20:15 at any distance
that's _useful_ anymore. Far away it's a blur, up close it's a blur,
but a couple of feet farther than I can reach it's needle sharp.

"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
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>2 in the shop, at the moment.

Four in my shop if you count the ones in my tool box as well as the ones on
the workbench shelf.

>Now ask me about the garage, kitchen, offices (home and work), vehicles,
>trailer, basement, etc.

Ditto... I can see three on the book shelf in my office alone!

On 4/26/2016 9:15 AM, John McCoy wrote:
> krw <[email protected]> wrote in news:r2kthbl6d02ngf6jtei36a7qf9532jrh2u@
> 4ax.com:
>
>> Repeatability is almost always good enough - story stick. I don't
>> have to know the numerical distance, only copy it.
>
> That's what I was thinking. As long as 22 1/4 inchs stays in
> the same place on the tape, everything measured to that point
> will be the same length.
>
> The problem comes in when trying to measure one thing to 22 1/4,
> and another to 11 1/8. There you need some level of accuracy
> in the tape.
>
> John
>

Not so bad if you do the measuring and building with the same tape...
But if my tape read smaller than actual and your reads bigger than
actual (or vice versa) it is not going to fit right if I tell you to
make a cabinet exactly 24" wide.

Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in news:nfat1u$g74$6
@dont-email.me:

> i count 5 tape measures in the shop
>
> the lufkin lock broke but i still use it the others are stanley and
> craftsmen
>
> hf freeby is a tape measure so i go to 6 with one semi working

Probably 3. They tend to appear and disappear randomly (plus
I think my girlfriend has my "big numbers" Lee Valley tape).
Plus one in the truck.

I don't use them all that much - most measurements I use either
the 16" rule on my combination square, or a 4' steel rule.

John

[email protected] wrote in news:3kpihb95nteijggo9hldd2ag5lpkqal1rc@
4ax.com:

> On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 18:28:11 -0000 (UTC), John McCoy
> <[email protected]> wrote:

>>I don't use them all that much - most measurements I use either
>>the 16" rule on my combination square, or a 4' steel rule.


> Must be fun when you start cutting 2X4s or 4X8 sheets for a
> renovation job!!!!

Don't do too much renovation :-)

But yeah, long stuff over 4' the tape measure is the right tool.
For drywall and plywood, I have a 4' square (and the ability to
do subtraction when I need something longer than 4').

John

krw <[email protected]> wrote in news:r2kthbl6d02ngf6jtei36a7qf9532jrh2u@
4ax.com:

> Repeatability is almost always good enough - story stick. I don't
> have to know the numerical distance, only copy it.

That's what I was thinking. As long as 22 1/4 inchs stays in
the same place on the tape, everything measured to that point
will be the same length.

The problem comes in when trying to measure one thing to 22 1/4,
and another to 11 1/8. There you need some level of accuracy
in the tape.

John

Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote in news:8qSdnRVQI_EzwYDKnZ2dnUU7-
[email protected]:

> On 4/24/2016 4:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> I have one more than I had Friday. One I lent to my eldest daughter
>> came back home.
>>
>
> Reminds me of the contest at the Liars Club. Each member got up and
> told an elaborate story. Some were truly believable. Last guy got up
> and said, "I have an adult child and a flashlight and they both work".

I have two adult sons, both working -- one as a technical writer (and raising a family besides),
the other as a lawyer.

On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 12:54:41 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 8:57:01 AM UTC-7, Electric Comet wrote:
>> i count 5 tape measures in the shop
>
>How many? What an odd question. I suppose, though, they ARE countable,
>in some sense.
>
>One in the living room, one in the dining room, two in the shop smock, two next to
>the drill press, one with the table saw, and probably a dozen others in useful
>places (or what I once deemed to be useful places).
>
>They aren't exactly like pencils, because I can't put one in each pencil/pen mug. Wrong shape.
They don't fit too well behind your ears either - - -

On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 9:51:51 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote in news:8qSdnRVQI_EzwYDKnZ2dnUU7-
> > [email protected]:
> >
> >> Reminds me of the contest at the Liars Club. Each member got up and
> >> told an elaborate story. Some were truly believable. Last guy got
> >> up and said, "I have an adult child and a flashlight and they both
> >> work".
> >
> > I have two adult sons, both working -- one as a technical writer (and
> > raising a family besides), the other as a lawyer.
>
> Yes, but you said nothing about the flashlight!
>
> Puckdropper

But it sounds like his sons are pretty bright.

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:50:37 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

>Electric Comet <[email protected]> writes:
>>On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 16:20:15 -0400
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> "precise marking" with a "tape measure" is a bit of an oxymoron at
>>> the best of times.
>>
>>long as you use the same tape measure it is fine
>
>Your reading comprehension is poor, it seems, or you don't
>understand the difference between precision and repeatability.

If the object is to cut board X to fit space Y or make board A the
same as board B, then they're the same thing. Precision is rarely
needed in woodworking. Repeatability is almost always needed.

On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 15:34:15 -0400, BenignBodger <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 4/21/2016 11:54 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
>> i count 5 tape measures in the shop
>>
>> the lufkin lock broke but i still use it the others are stanley and
>> craftsmen
>>
>> hf freeby is a tape measure so i go to 6 with one semi working
>>
>Just one in the shop (at least four or five around the how and in the car).
>Any more than one and there will always be disagreements among them. I use
>the Stanley which matches my steel ruler the best for shop work but never
>for precise marking.
"precise marking" with a "tape measure" is a bit of an oxymoron at
the best of times.

On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:18:07 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 19:54:24 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On 4/24/2016 4:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >> I have one more than I had Friday. One I lent to my eldest daughter
> >> came back home.
> >>
> >
> >Reminds me of the contest at the Liars Club. Each member got up and
> >told an elaborate story. Some were truly believable. Last guy got up
> >and said, "I have an adult child and a flashlight and they both work".
> Thankfully both of my girls work. Both have pretty responsible
> positions - doing well for themselves

All 4 kids work. 2 of them are doing it in the spare time they have while pursuing
a Masters Degree. 1 of those will be graduating with a dual Masters in May. She's
worked within her chosen career field since her first semester at her undergrad
school.

I'm a proud poppa.

On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 11:57:01 AM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
> i count 5 tape measures in the shop
>
> the lufkin lock broke but i still use it the others are stanley and
> craftsmen
>
> hf freeby is a tape measure so i go to 6 with one semi working

2 in the shop, at the moment.

Now ask me about the garage, kitchen, offices (home and work), vehicles,
trailer, basement, etc.

On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 8:57:01 AM UTC-7, Electric Comet wrote:
> i count 5 tape measures in the shop

How many? What an odd question. I suppose, though, they ARE countable,
in some sense.

One in the living room, one in the dining room, two in the shop smock, two next to
the drill press, one with the table saw, and probably a dozen others in useful
places (or what I once deemed to be useful places).

They aren't exactly like pencils, because I can't put one in each pencil/pen mug. Wrong shape.

On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 15:24:33 -0500, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:

>Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
>> i count 5 tape measures in the shop
>>
>> the lufkin lock broke but i still use it the others are stanley and
>> craftsmen
>>
>> hf freeby is a tape measure so i go to 6
>
>
>
>It does not matter how many you have. It matters that they all measure the
>same, and those need to measure the same as the rule on your TS.

They don't need to measure the same. Jus' gotta use the same one for
the entire job. I use the same tape setting up the cut, too.

On 2016-04-21, Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:

> the lufkin lock broke but i still use it the others are stanley and
> craftsmen

When I was a young carpenter trainee, my new Lufkin 25' tape broke on
my 2nd day on the job. I undid the lock and the tape recoiled back
into the case, as it is supposed to. When it reached the "hooked
tab", the tab simply snapped off and the tape recoiled fully into the
housing, rendering the unit a doorstop. I never bought another
Lufkin, ever again. Even when SnapOn rebranded Lufkins as SnapOn's, I
could still see they were Lufkins and wouldn't buy.

I now have two Stanley's (25'/30') and an Ace Hardware (25'), which
looks suspiciously like a rebranded Stanley. These are my "real"
tapes. I have a few other shorter/junkier tapes, one ina day-glo
green plastic case.

Everyone is going cheap. I recall when I replaced my Lufkin with a
25' Stanley ('70), the Stanley had a fastener (nails, wood screws, etc)
guide on the back of the first 2 ft of the tape. Very handy. No
longer. :(

nb

On 2016-04-21, John Grossbohlin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Ditto... I can see three on the book shelf in my office alone!

I usta carry my golfcart key ona day-glo orange 3' tape measurer
keyring. I must have about half a dozen cheapo tapes. ;)

nb

On 2016-04-22, krw <[email protected]> wrote:

> Yup. I treat them like pencils. I salt every place I'm likely to
> need a rule with enough that there's always one in sight. ;-)

Speaking of "in sight", one thing I'm sure of: where/whenever I find a
tape, I know I'll find some "cheaters", nearby. ;)

nb

On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 13:17:12 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 2:31:38 PM UTC-4, John McCoy wrote:
>> Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in news:nfat1u$g74$6
>> @dont-email.me:
>>
>> > i count 5 tape measures in the shop
>> >
>> > the lufkin lock broke but i still use it the others are stanley and
>> > craftsmen
>> >
>> > hf freeby is a tape measure so i go to 6 with one semi working
>>
>> Probably 3. They tend to appear and disappear randomly (plus
>> I think my girlfriend has my "big numbers" Lee Valley tape).
>> Plus one in the truck.
>>
>> I don't use them all that much - most measurements I use either
>> the 16" rule on my combination square, or a 4' steel rule.
>>
>> John
>
>Just don't use a cloth tape. They stretch. Measuring tapes that stretch
>will give you inaccurate numbers. DAMHIKT
Fiberglass tapes are pretty handy for some jobs that steel ones are
no good for - and they don't shrink when it's cold out - - -

On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 3:18:50 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:

> >
> I have one more than I had Friday. One I lent to my eldest daughter
> came back home.

The tape came back home or the daughter came back home?


On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 6:54:25 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Reminds me of the contest at the Liars Club. Each member got up and
> told an elaborate story. Some were truly believable. Last guy got up
> and said, "I have an adult child and a flashlight and they both work".

Reminds me of the fishermen's club. "The first liar doesn't have a chance."
... quoted from the album "Voices From Lynchburg", a collection of different stories from the folks in Lynchburg, Tn. The fishin stories are pretty good.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tennessee-Squire-Association-Voices-Of-Lynchburg-Spoken-Word-LP-SEALED-/152033547349?hash=item2365e7d455:g:KWEAAOSwT~9WjxcC

Sonny

On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 12:55:13 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:09:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On 4/25/2016 8:44 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >> On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:18:07 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 19:54:24 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 4/24/2016 4:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I have one more than I had Friday. One I lent to my eldest daughter
> >>>>> came back home.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Reminds me of the contest at the Liars Club. Each member got up and
> >>>> told an elaborate story. Some were truly believable. Last guy got up
> >>>> and said, "I have an adult child and a flashlight and they both work".
> >>> Thankfully both of my girls work. Both have pretty responsible
> >>> positions - doing well for themselves
> >>
> >> All 4 kids work. 2 of them are doing it in the spare time they have while pursuing
> >> a Masters Degree. 1 of those will be graduating with a dual Masters in May. She's
> >> worked within her chosen career field since her first semester at her undergrad
> >> school.
> >>
> >> I'm a proud poppa.
> >>
> >
> >Yeah, but what about the flashlights?
> Safe to say they are not quite as bright as the kids - - -

tape measures or flashlights? :)
I have seen some pretty bright freebies :)

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 23:17:07 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:22:15 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:17:29 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 20:27:43 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:50:37 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Electric Comet <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>>>On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 16:20:15 -0400
>>>>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "precise marking" with a "tape measure" is a bit of an oxymoron at
>>>>>>> the best of times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>long as you use the same tape measure it is fine
>>>>>
>>>>>Your reading comprehension is poor, it seems, or you don't
>>>>>understand the difference between precision and repeatability.
>>>>
>>>>If the object is to cut board X to fit space Y or make board A the
>>>>same as board B, then they're the same thing. Precision is rarely
>>>>needed in woodworking. Repeatability is almost always needed.
>>> Measuring a horizontal distance between two points in space, then
>>>transfering that measurement to material to mark and cut can require
>>>precision - not repeatability - and can be pretyy dicey.
>>
>>Repeatability is almost always good enough - story stick. I don't
>>have to know the numerical distance, only copy it.
> At least a story stick is rigid - and in the case of cutting a 16
>foot 2X10 to fit between 2 points, it's possible to use the lumber as
>it's own "storry stick" Hold in place, mark where to cut - and cut.
>Repeatability not required for a single piece. - just accuracy..
>(and in most cases like this, a 128th inch is close enough anyway)

We're defining the terms differently. I have a line from point A to
point B and I want to cut board C fit that span. I want to repeat
that distance (repeatability). I don't what to know that distance
(measure accurately).

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 12:47:09 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 9:51:51 PM UTC-4,
> > [email protected] wrote:
> >> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote in
> >> news:[email protected]:
> >>
> >> > Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote in news:8qSdnRVQI_EzwYDKnZ2dnUU7-
> >> > [email protected]:
> >> >
> >> >> Reminds me of the contest at the Liars Club. Each member got up
> >> >> and told an elaborate story. Some were truly believable. Last
> >> >> guy got up and said, "I have an adult child and a flashlight and
> >> >> they both work".
> >> >
> >> > I have two adult sons, both working -- one as a technical writer
> >> > (and raising a family besides), the other as a lawyer.
> >>
> >> Yes, but you said nothing about the flashlight!
> >>
> >> Puckdropper
> >
> > But it sounds like his sons are pretty bright.
> >
>
> I bet when they were born, they were so bright he called them "sun".
>

An Indian chief named Running Water had three sons.

He named them Running Hot, Running Cold and Luke.

On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 12:21:24 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>>
>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 18:24:00 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >On 22 Apr 2016 15:27:52 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >>On 2016-04-22, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Yup. I treat them like pencils. I salt every place I'm likely to
>> >>> need a rule with enough that there's always one in sight. ;-)
>> >>
>> >>Speaking of "in sight", one thing I'm sure of: where/whenever I find a
>> >>tape, I know I'll find some "cheaters", nearby. ;)
>> >
>> >I fixed that problem by needing glasses full time. My eyes went from
>> >20:15 to can't read without prescription glasses in less than a year.
>> Them durn "cadillacs" in the eyes 'll do that!!
>
>I'm still 20:15. The trouble is that I'm not 20:15 at any distance
>that's _useful_ anymore. Far away it's a blur, up close it's a blur,
>but a couple of feet farther than I can reach it's needle sharp.
>
So you only need longer arms to read.

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:21:48 -0700 (PDT), [email protected] wrote:

>On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 12:55:13 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:09:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >On 4/25/2016 8:44 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> >> On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:18:07 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>> >>> On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 19:54:24 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 4/24/2016 4:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I have one more than I had Friday. One I lent to my eldest daughter
>> >>>>> came back home.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Reminds me of the contest at the Liars Club. Each member got up and
>> >>>> told an elaborate story. Some were truly believable. Last guy got up
>> >>>> and said, "I have an adult child and a flashlight and they both work".
>> >>> Thankfully both of my girls work. Both have pretty responsible
>> >>> positions - doing well for themselves
>> >>
>> >> All 4 kids work. 2 of them are doing it in the spare time they have while pursuing
>> >> a Masters Degree. 1 of those will be graduating with a dual Masters in May. She's
>> >> worked within her chosen career field since her first semester at her undergrad
>> >> school.
>> >>
>> >> I'm a proud poppa.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Yeah, but what about the flashlights?
>> Safe to say they are not quite as bright as the kids - - -
>
>tape measures or flashlights? :)
>I have seen some pretty bright freebies :)
Bright kids with 2 masters degrees hopefully more usefull than the
free flashlight.

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 20:27:43 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:50:37 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
>wrote:
>
>>Electric Comet <[email protected]> writes:
>>>On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 16:20:15 -0400
>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>> "precise marking" with a "tape measure" is a bit of an oxymoron at
>>>> the best of times.
>>>
>>>long as you use the same tape measure it is fine
>>
>>Your reading comprehension is poor, it seems, or you don't
>>understand the difference between precision and repeatability.
>
>If the object is to cut board X to fit space Y or make board A the
>same as board B, then they're the same thing. Precision is rarely
>needed in woodworking. Repeatability is almost always needed.
Measuring a horizontal distance between two points in space, then
transfering that measurement to material to mark and cut can require
precision - not repeatability - and can be pretyy dicey.

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:22:15 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:17:29 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 20:27:43 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:50:37 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Electric Comet <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>>On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 16:20:15 -0400
>>>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "precise marking" with a "tape measure" is a bit of an oxymoron at
>>>>>> the best of times.
>>>>>
>>>>>long as you use the same tape measure it is fine
>>>>
>>>>Your reading comprehension is poor, it seems, or you don't
>>>>understand the difference between precision and repeatability.
>>>
>>>If the object is to cut board X to fit space Y or make board A the
>>>same as board B, then they're the same thing. Precision is rarely
>>>needed in woodworking. Repeatability is almost always needed.
>> Measuring a horizontal distance between two points in space, then
>>transfering that measurement to material to mark and cut can require
>>precision - not repeatability - and can be pretyy dicey.
>
>Repeatability is almost always good enough - story stick. I don't
>have to know the numerical distance, only copy it.
At least a story stick is rigid - and in the case of cutting a 16
foot 2X10 to fit between 2 points, it's possible to use the lumber as
it's own "storry stick" Hold in place, mark where to cut - and cut.
Repeatability not required for a single piece. - just accuracy..
(and in most cases like this, a 128th inch is close enough anyway)

On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 18:24:00 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 22 Apr 2016 15:27:52 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On 2016-04-22, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Yup. I treat them like pencils. I salt every place I'm likely to
>>> need a rule with enough that there's always one in sight. ;-)
>>
>>Speaking of "in sight", one thing I'm sure of: where/whenever I find a
>>tape, I know I'll find some "cheaters", nearby. ;)
>
>I fixed that problem by needing glasses full time. My eyes went from
>20:15 to can't read without prescription glasses in less than a year.
Them durn "cadillacs" in the eyes 'll do that!!

On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 08:54:35 -0700, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:

>i count 5 tape measures in the shop
>
>the lufkin lock broke but i still use it the others are stanley and
>craftsmen
>
>hf freeby is a tape measure so i go to 6 with one semi working
>
I think the real answer for most guys is "not sure - they keep
appearing and dissappearing"

I know I have 2 "good" ones and somewhere around half a dozen
"roamers" which tend to migrate to the truck one month, the basement
the next, and then scatter to the far corners of the property for a
while before congregating in the garage or on my dresser - - - - .

"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

>On 4/21/2016 2:27 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:

>> Thinking about this for a moment I've got to wonder what this obsession
>> with measuring is all about... ;~)

>Actually from most things you can create a pattern without a tape, and then
>use the pattern to make the rest of the item you are making.

That is what got me thinking... marking gauge, sliding bevel, dividers,
story sticks... those are typically how I work with hand tool projects. On
the other hand, when working with sheet goods it helps a lot to cut things
right. ;~)

On 4/25/2016 8:44 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:18:07 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 19:54:24 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/24/2016 4:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have one more than I had Friday. One I lent to my eldest daughter
>>>> came back home.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Reminds me of the contest at the Liars Club. Each member got up and
>>> told an elaborate story. Some were truly believable. Last guy got up
>>> and said, "I have an adult child and a flashlight and they both work".
>> Thankfully both of my girls work. Both have pretty responsible
>> positions - doing well for themselves
>
> All 4 kids work. 2 of them are doing it in the spare time they have while pursuing
> a Masters Degree. 1 of those will be graduating with a dual Masters in May. She's
> worked within her chosen career field since her first semester at her undergrad
> school.
>
> I'm a proud poppa.
>

Yeah, but what about the flashlights?

On 4/21/2016 11:54 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
> i count 5 tape measures in the shop
>
> the lufkin lock broke but i still use it the others are stanley and
> craftsmen
>
> hf freeby is a tape measure so i go to 6 with one semi working
>
I have about 4 in the 6 to 12' range, and thinking of adding another, as
I still can not find one when I need it. I also have 3 more in the 12
to 50' range, that stay put so I don't need as many in any one range.

whit3rd wrote:
> On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 8:57:01 AM UTC-7, Electric Comet wrote:
>> i count 5 tape measures in the shop
> They aren't exactly like pencils, because I can't put one in each pencil/pen mug. Wrong shape.


Ah, so my favorite is a 6' one, 3/16" wide (blade) and 1 3/4" in total
diameter (I just measured it with itself--I started to reach for a
ruler, but that's a long story...). You can carry in your pocket without
any inconvenience. Perfect for toting with you. A present from dad (no
doubt, free from ACO). He said, "Here take this, and you'll find it
useful someday.". And he was right..

On 4/21/2016 2:27 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> "John Grossbohlin" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> "DerbyDad03" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>
>>> 2 in the shop, at the moment.
>
>> Four in my shop if you count the ones in my tool box as well as the
>> ones on the workbench shelf.
>
>>> Now ask me about the garage, kitchen, offices (home and work), vehicles,
>>> trailer, basement, etc.
>
>> Ditto... I can see three on the book shelf in my office alone!
>
>
> Thinking about this for a moment I've got to wonder what this obsession
> with measuring is all about... ;~)

Actually from most things you can create a pattern without a tape, and
then use the pattern to make the rest of the item you are making.

On 21/04/2016 9:54 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
> i count 5 tape measures in the shop
>
> the lufkin lock broke but i still use it the others are stanley and
> craftsmen
>
> hf freeby is a tape measure so i go to 6 with one semi working
>
and how many Stanley/Olfa knives?
Graham

On 4/21/2016 4:09 PM, Bill wrote:

> Ah, so my favorite is a 6' one, 3/16" wide (blade) and 1 3/4" in total
> diameter (I just measured it with itself--I started to reach for a
> ruler, but that's a long story...). You can carry in your pocket without
> any inconvenience. Perfect for toting with you. A present from dad (no
> doubt, free from ACO). He said, "Here take this, and you'll find it
> useful someday.". And he was right..

I have an 8' Stanley with a 1/4" blade. It's a little smaller than a
pocket watch and fits perfect in the watch pocket of my jeans. I used
to wonder why jeans still have a watch pocket since about no one carries
one. It's not close to my favorite but it is always with me, and out of
the way in the watch pocket, which should be renamed to tape pocket:-)

I also have a probably a dozen or so tapes, and my favorite was a 10'
Stanely. Now my favorite is a 12' Stanley, I couldn't find a 10' that I
prefer in the cabinet shop. Stanley's are always accurate. Measure your
cheap HF and other giveaways and you will likely be very surprised at
how inaccurate they can be, something to always be aware of when measuring.

My biggest bitch on all of them is the 1/32 measurement they all seem to
have in the first foot. Really stupid. I'd like only 1/16th, as 1/32"
is too small to see, and I can get close enough visually cutting
1/16th in half. If I need 1/32 which is close to never, I can use a
micrometer.
--
Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com

On 4/21/2016 9:43 PM, woodchucker wrote:

> I have a lufkin that is probably 45 years old and it's still strong. Not
> my favorite, it's an old center button lock.

I think I have that exact same tape. Not my favorite either. I like
Stanley lever locks myself. Never used a Komelon. If they have a small
10' w/o those damned 1/32" markings, I'll get one. Just went to there
site, and they have a 10' one, but looks like it has the damnable 1/32"
markings.... yuck!

> But I think any tape can do that, especially one with a tightly wound
> spring.
>
> I have Stanley lever locks (which I like), but now I prefer my Komelon.
> It occasionally needs an alcohol cleaning to keep from slipping, but I
> like the mechanism, and tape. Light weight too.
>


--
Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com

On 4/21/16 11:59 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> "DerbyDad03" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> 2 in the shop, at the moment.
>
> Four in my shop if you count the ones in my tool box as well as the ones
> on the workbench shelf.
>
>> Now ask me about the garage, kitchen, offices (home and work), vehicles,
>> trailer, basement, etc.
>
> Ditto... I can see three on the book shelf in my office alone!
>
>
>
Among the dozen or so scattered around the house, I have a very small
Stanley 3-footer as a fob on my car keys. Invaluable for those
spur-of-the-moment needs to measure something.

Funny thing was that I bought this from Amazon ($1.89) to fill an order
and reach the magic (at that time) $25 free shipping limit. It was
shipped as a separate item, in a 12"x10"x6" box via UPS. Very well
packed/protected from shipping damage to their credit..

-BR

"Electric Comet" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>i count 5 tape measures in the shop
>
> the lufkin lock broke but i still use it the others are stanley and
> craftsmen
>
> hf freeby is a tape measure so i go to 6 with one semi working

I've been looking at five in the rear view mirror for a verry long time. I
don't even know how many taper measures are in the shop, but if I count the
ones in the shop, garage, wife's work room, and my service trucks and could
find them all the count might be an order of magnitude more than five.

On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 15:01:36 -0700
"Bob La Londe" <[email protected]> wrote:

> time. I don't even know how many taper measures are in the shop, but
> if I count the ones in the shop, garage, wife's work room, and my
> service trucks and could find them all the count might be an order of
> magnitude more than five.

i only counted the ones in the shop
there are more around somewhere

i have a real old and fragile one that i got as a hand me down from
someone but do not recall who

it is a narrow tape and maybe 10 footer

On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 19:12:34 -0600
graham <[email protected]> wrote:

> and how many Stanley/Olfa knives?

i think zero

On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 13:23:34 -0400
Keith Nuttle <[email protected]> wrote:

> I have about 4 in the 6 to 12' range, and thinking of adding another,
> as I still can not find one when I need it. I also have 3 more in
> the 12 to 50' range, that stay put so I don't need as many in any one
> range.

just reminded that i have a 50 or maybe it is 100 footer somewhere

On 4/21/2016 11:54 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
> i count 5 tape measures in the shop
>
> the lufkin lock broke but i still use it the others are stanley and
> craftsmen
>
> hf freeby is a tape measure so i go to 6 with one semi working
>
Just one in the shop (at least four or five around the how and in the car).
Any more than one and there will always be disagreements among them. I use
the Stanley which matches my steel ruler the best for shop work but never
for precise marking.

On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 16:20:15 -0400
[email protected] wrote:

> "precise marking" with a "tape measure" is a bit of an oxymoron at
> the best of times.

long as you use the same tape measure it is fine

On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 14:27:32 -0400, "John Grossbohlin"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"John Grossbohlin" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>>"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>
>>>2 in the shop, at the moment.
>
>>Four in my shop if you count the ones in my tool box as well as the ones on
>>the workbench shelf.
>
>>>Now ask me about the garage, kitchen, offices (home and work), vehicles,
>>>trailer, basement, etc.
>
>>Ditto... I can see three on the book shelf in my office alone!
>
>
>Thinking about this for a moment I've got to wonder what this obsession with
>measuring is all about... ;~)

It's the only way I can be sure that mine's bigger than yours. ;-)

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:17:29 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 20:27:43 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:50:37 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Electric Comet <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 16:20:15 -0400
>>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "precise marking" with a "tape measure" is a bit of an oxymoron at
>>>>> the best of times.
>>>>
>>>>long as you use the same tape measure it is fine
>>>
>>>Your reading comprehension is poor, it seems, or you don't
>>>understand the difference between precision and repeatability.
>>
>>If the object is to cut board X to fit space Y or make board A the
>>same as board B, then they're the same thing. Precision is rarely
>>needed in woodworking. Repeatability is almost always needed.
> Measuring a horizontal distance between two points in space, then
>transfering that measurement to material to mark and cut can require
>precision - not repeatability - and can be pretyy dicey.

Repeatability is almost always good enough - story stick. I don't
have to know the numerical distance, only copy it.

On 4/26/2016 10:51 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/26/2016 9:15 AM, John McCoy wrote:
>> krw <[email protected]> wrote in news:r2kthbl6d02ngf6jtei36a7qf9532jrh2u@
>> 4ax.com:
>>
>>> Repeatability is almost always good enough - story stick. I don't
>>> have to know the numerical distance, only copy it.
>>
>> That's what I was thinking. As long as 22 1/4 inchs stays in
>> the same place on the tape, everything measured to that point
>> will be the same length.
>>
>> The problem comes in when trying to measure one thing to 22 1/4,
>> and another to 11 1/8. There you need some level of accuracy
>> in the tape.
>>
>> John
>>
>
> Not so bad if you do the measuring and building with the same tape...
> But if my tape read smaller than actual and your reads bigger than
> actual (or vice versa) it is not going to fit right if I tell you to
> make a cabinet exactly 24" wide.


I have actually seen tape measures that agree at some measurement
distances but not at another measurement.

On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 07:53:30 -0600, Brewster <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 4/21/16 11:59 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>> "DerbyDad03" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> 2 in the shop, at the moment.
>>
>> Four in my shop if you count the ones in my tool box as well as the ones
>> on the workbench shelf.
>>
>>> Now ask me about the garage, kitchen, offices (home and work), vehicles,
>>> trailer, basement, etc.
>>
>> Ditto... I can see three on the book shelf in my office alone!
>>
>>
>>
>Among the dozen or so scattered around the house, I have a very small
>Stanley 3-footer as a fob on my car keys. Invaluable for those
>spur-of-the-moment needs to measure something.
>
>Funny thing was that I bought this from Amazon ($1.89) to fill an order
>and reach the magic (at that time) $25 free shipping limit. It was
>shipped as a separate item, in a 12"x10"x6" box via UPS. Very well
>packed/protected from shipping damage to their credit..
>
I hope you gave them a good rating on the packaging survey for that
one. ;-)

On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 19:54:24 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 4/24/2016 4:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> I have one more than I had Friday. One I lent to my eldest daughter
>> came back home.
>>
>
>Reminds me of the contest at the Liars Club. Each member got up and
>told an elaborate story. Some were truly believable. Last guy got up
>and said, "I have an adult child and a flashlight and they both work".
Thankfully both of my girls work. Both have pretty responsible
positions - doing well for themselves