The house I grew up in is on a street very close to the centre of
town.
Across the street, the street was also lined with similar homes. Those
bordered along a field full of greenhouses. They were owned by family
friends. When the old man (Lemkes) passed away, the kids sold the land
to a developer who built a mall there.
Today... 6 dead and 11 wounded in a shooting. Friends and clients of
my dad (accountant) own stores in that mall.
No word on any of that yet.
I am without words.... this kinda shit can't be happening...
http://tinyurl.com/3n6hxwh
On 4/9/2011 11:23 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> The house I grew up in is on a street very close to the centre of
> town.
> Across the street, the street was also lined with similar homes. Those
> bordered along a field full of greenhouses. They were owned by family
> friends. When the old man (Lemkes) passed away, the kids sold the land
> to a developer who built a mall there.
> Today... 6 dead and 11 wounded in a shooting. Friends and clients of
> my dad (accountant) own stores in that mall.
> No word on any of that yet.
>
> I am without words.... this kinda shit can't be happening...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3n6hxwh
Hate to hear that ... I know how you feel as I remember what it felt
like, having many friends there, when the gunman start shooting out of
the tower at UT.
My condolences to you, your family and friends affected by this.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Apr 9, 12:23=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> The house I grew up in is on a street very close to the centre of
> town.
> Across the street, the street was also lined with similar homes. Those
> bordered along a field full of greenhouses. They were owned by family
> friends. When the old man (Lemkes) passed away, the kids sold the land
> to a developer who built a mall there.
> Today... 6 dead and 11 wounded in a shooting. Friends and clients of
> my dad (accountant) own stores in that mall.
> No word on any of that yet.
>
> I am without words.... this kinda shit can't be happening...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3n6hxwh
Nobody in my immediate family/friends got hurt. Nice, but takes
nothing away from the fact that indeed, anything can happen anywhere,
anytime.
Just another reminder to count my blessings every day and to take
nothing, nothing for granted.
>I am without words.... this kinda shit can't be happening...
My condolences as well.
I think there's a certain percentage of people who just twist off and
have a bent for such violence, and that percentage probalby isn't
increasing. Its just that these days, with modern personal weaponry,
they can wreak much greater havoc than previously.
In 1968, John Brunner wrote a book called "Stand on Zanzibar". He had
amazing forethought. He had characters called "muckers" (i.e. people
who run amock); todays' shooters are just that.
Somehow, we have to make our youth grow up with the understanding that
it's not an option
-Zz
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:a3f1bc28-819d-4f0a-9ab0-6d1b5aa52b8d@j13g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> The house I grew up in is on a street very close to the centre of
> town.
> Across the street, the street was also lined with similar homes. Those
> bordered along a field full of greenhouses. They were owned by family
> friends. When the old man (Lemkes) passed away, the kids sold the land
> to a developer who built a mall there.
> Today... 6 dead and 11 wounded in a shooting. Friends and clients of
> my dad (accountant) own stores in that mall.
> No word on any of that yet.
>
> I am without words.... this kinda shit can't be happening...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3n6hxwh
I don't know what to say. MY condolences to your family and their
community. That is not only shocking but amazingly traumatic. A lot of
people will be hurting for quite some time. At least the scumbag took
himself out. There was no need to hurt others though. It goes to show that
horrible things can happen in any community. It must really hit hard to
have it happen in your childhood community. It makes it so personal.
Hang in there big guy. When you talk to your family, convey our heartfelt
condolences. Let then know, our hopes and prayers are with them.
"Robatoy" wrote:
> The house I grew up in is on a street very close to the centre of
> town.
> Across the street, the street was also lined with similar homes.
> Those
> bordered along a field full of greenhouses. They were owned by
> family
> friends. When the old man (Lemkes) passed away, the kids sold the
> land
> to a developer who built a mall there.
> Today... 6 dead and 11 wounded in a shooting. Friends and clients of
> my dad (accountant) own stores in that mall.
> No word on any of that yet.
>
> I am without words.... this kinda shit can't be happening...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3n6hxwh
Nobody in my immediate family/friends got hurt. Nice, but takes
nothing away from the fact that indeed, anything can happen anywhere,
anytime.
Just another reminder to count my blessings every day and to take
nothing, nothing for granted.
----------------------------------
Amen bro.
As I have often said, you wake up in the morning, swing those two
paddy's across the bed and feel them touch the ground, check and both
lungs are working, you got a shot at another day, don't waste it.
A question.
I know nothing about Dutch laws, but is it possible for an individual
to possess a machine gun in working order in Holland?
Lew
"Swingman" wrote:
> Hate to hear that ... I know how you feel as I remember what it felt
> like, having many friends there, when the gunman start shooting out
> of the tower at UT.
--------------------------------------
Summer of 1966, the airlines were on strike.
Sunday morning, flew out of Cleveland on a Bonanza with stops in
Memphis, Dallas and finally arriving in San Angelo only to be greeted
by headlines in the local newspaper announcing the riots in Cleveland
that were taking place as I left.
Add a week.
Again returning from Cleveland this time thru Memphis, Houston, Austin
and back to San Angelo.
Remember commenting about the bell tower in Austin as we flew over at
about 9,000 ft.
Next day (Monday), came word of the crazy climbing up into the bell
tower and shooting up the place.
That was also the same time as they caught R Speck in Chicago, after
he had murdered 10-12 nurses.
The 1960's were certainly a violent decade in the USA without
including Vietnam.
Lew
On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 14:12:34 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 13:12:15 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:a3f1bc28-819d-4f0a-9ab0-6d1b5aa52b8d@j13g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>>>> The house I grew up in is on a street very close to the centre of
>>>> town.
>>>> Across the street, the street was also lined with similar homes. Those
>>>> bordered along a field full of greenhouses. They were owned by family
>>>> friends. When the old man (Lemkes) passed away, the kids sold the land
>>>> to a developer who built a mall there.
>>>> Today... 6 dead and 11 wounded in a shooting. Friends and clients of
>>>> my dad (accountant) own stores in that mall.
>>>> No word on any of that yet.
>>>>
>>>> I am without words.... this kinda shit can't be happening...
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/3n6hxwh
>>>
>>>Too bad none of the innocent had guns to defend themselves.
>>
>> Ouch!
>
>We don't live in an ideal world. If you rid yourself of a way to defend
>yourself, those people that don't live by your ideal world standards will
>rule over you and harm you.
Did you think I was disagreeing? The Europeons will run in horror at your
suggestion and the lefty-loonies here will come unglued. All normal.
>Those that don't want you to have a way to defend yourself will one day rule
>over you and harm you.
I'm certainly not arguing the point.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:a3f1bc28-819d-4f0a-9ab0-6d1b5aa52b8d@j13g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> The house I grew up in is on a street very close to the centre of
> town.
> Across the street, the street was also lined with similar homes. Those
> bordered along a field full of greenhouses. They were owned by family
> friends. When the old man (Lemkes) passed away, the kids sold the land
> to a developer who built a mall there.
> Today... 6 dead and 11 wounded in a shooting. Friends and clients of
> my dad (accountant) own stores in that mall.
> No word on any of that yet.
>
> I am without words.... this kinda shit can't be happening...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3n6hxwh
Too bad none of the innocent had guns to defend themselves.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> The 1960's were certainly a violent decade in the USA without including
> Vietnam.
>
> Lew
This sort of thing has been going on for a couple thousand years in one form
or another. Humans are really a nasty bunch.
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 9 Apr 2011 09:23:57 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>The house I grew up in is on a street very close to the
>>centre of
>>town.
>>Across the street, the street was also lined with similar
>>homes. Those
>>bordered along a field full of greenhouses. They were
>>owned by family
>>friends. When the old man (Lemkes) passed away, the kids
>>sold the land
>>to a developer who built a mall there.
>>Today... 6 dead and 11 wounded in a shooting. Friends and
>>clients of
>>my dad (accountant) own stores in that mall.
>>No word on any of that yet.
>>
>>I am without words.... this kinda shit can't be
>>happening...
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/3n6hxwh
>
> It's a sad truth that lone terrorists can strike anywhere,
> at any
> time, and pretty much nothing can be done about it.
>
> --
> Nobody, as long as he moves about among the
> chaotic currents of life, is without trouble.
> -- Carl Jung
My sympathies to all the bereaved.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
"Han" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:4da0eeea$0$2819
> [email protected]:
>
>> I know nothing about Dutch laws, but is it possible for
>> an individual
>> to possess a machine gun in working order in Holland?
>
> I didn't think so, but he had licenses for 5 firearms and
> was a member of a
> "shooting club". It is possible that something got lost
> in translation
> from full automatic rifle to machine gun.
>
> (For those who don't know, I was born in Holland, left at
> 23 in 1969.
> "Robatoy" did something similar.)
>
> --
> Best regards
> Han
> email address is invalid
OH:
On a more upbeat Netherland's note away from such
tragedies, there is an article here
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2004/04/05/040405fa_fact?currentPage=all
on the increasing height of the Dutch population which
involves more than that in discussion. You and R may
find it inviting. Evidently Dutch building codes (to stay
near topic) have shifted in accord with this development.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 13:12:15 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:a3f1bc28-819d-4f0a-9ab0-6d1b5aa52b8d@j13g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>>> The house I grew up in is on a street very close to the centre of
>>> town.
>>> Across the street, the street was also lined with similar homes. Those
>>> bordered along a field full of greenhouses. They were owned by family
>>> friends. When the old man (Lemkes) passed away, the kids sold the land
>>> to a developer who built a mall there.
>>> Today... 6 dead and 11 wounded in a shooting. Friends and clients of
>>> my dad (accountant) own stores in that mall.
>>> No word on any of that yet.
>>>
>>> I am without words.... this kinda shit can't be happening...
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/3n6hxwh
>>
>>Too bad none of the innocent had guns to defend themselves.
>
> Ouch!
We don't live in an ideal world. If you rid yourself of a way to defend
yourself, those people that don't live by your ideal world standards will
rule over you and harm you.
Those that don't want you to have a way to defend yourself will one day rule
over you and harm you.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 14:12:34 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 13:12:15 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:a3f1bc28-819d-4f0a-9ab0-6d1b5aa52b8d@j13g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> The house I grew up in is on a street very close to the centre of
>>>>> town.
>>>>> Across the street, the street was also lined with similar homes. Those
>>>>> bordered along a field full of greenhouses. They were owned by family
>>>>> friends. When the old man (Lemkes) passed away, the kids sold the land
>>>>> to a developer who built a mall there.
>>>>> Today... 6 dead and 11 wounded in a shooting. Friends and clients of
>>>>> my dad (accountant) own stores in that mall.
>>>>> No word on any of that yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am without words.... this kinda shit can't be happening...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/3n6hxwh
>>>>
>>>>Too bad none of the innocent had guns to defend themselves.
>>>
>>> Ouch!
>>
>>We don't live in an ideal world. If you rid yourself of a way to defend
>>yourself, those people that don't live by your ideal world standards will
>>rule over you and harm you.
>
> Did you think I was disagreeing?
No, not at all.
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in news:a3f1bc28-819d-4f0a-9ab0-
[email protected]:
> The house I grew up in is on a street very close to the centre of
> town.
> Across the street, the street was also lined with similar homes. Those
> bordered along a field full of greenhouses. They were owned by family
> friends. When the old man (Lemkes) passed away, the kids sold the land
> to a developer who built a mall there.
> Today... 6 dead and 11 wounded in a shooting. Friends and clients of
> my dad (accountant) own stores in that mall.
> No word on any of that yet.
>
> I am without words.... this kinda shit can't be happening...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3n6hxwh
Just saw it on nrc.nl
The old saying was "When the world ends, I'll go to Holland because there
everything happens 50 years later". That doesn't hold anymore, it's more
like 50 days now ...
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in news:3bfc41b6-9900-4c49-bf8f-
[email protected]:
> Nobody in my immediate family/friends got hurt. Nice, but takes
> nothing away from the fact that indeed, anything can happen anywhere,
> anytime.
> Just another reminder to count my blessings every day and to take
> nothing, nothing for granted.
Good that no one you know got hurt, but indeed count your blessings!
Hope you personally and your family are healthy ...
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:4da0eeea$0$2819
[email protected]:
> I know nothing about Dutch laws, but is it possible for an individual
> to possess a machine gun in working order in Holland?
I didn't think so, but he had licenses for 5 firearms and was a member of a
"shooting club". It is possible that something got lost in translation
from full automatic rifle to machine gun.
(For those who don't know, I was born in Holland, left at 23 in 1969.
"Robatoy" did something similar.)
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
"Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> The phrase 'run amok' has its basis in Malaysia and the far east and
> goes back at the least a century or more. It describes a condition of
> depression followed by frenzied killing of multiple people. It may not
> be something that can be educated out. It is a described (DSM) mental
> disorder.
>
Amok/Amuk is a Malayan word describing a sudden murderous rage. Was in
reports dating back at least to the Portugese discoberies in the Far East
of the 16th century. Indeed a mental illness of some sort.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
On Apr 9, 7:42=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> A question.
>
> I know nothing about Dutch laws, but is it possible for an individual
> to possess a machine gun in working order in Holland?
>
> Lew
Hell no. Gun laws are some of the strictest on the planet.
But, the same pipe-lines that supply the drugs and other contraband,
also handle weapons.
Geographically, the borders around The Balkans, Eastern Bloc, and
Northern Africa are very porous.
So, like anywhere, if you got the money, no problem.
On Sat, 9 Apr 2011 17:10:05 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Apr 9, 7:42 pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> A question.
>>
>> I know nothing about Dutch laws, but is it possible for an individual
>> to possess a machine gun in working order in Holland?
>>
>> Lew
>
>Hell no. Gun laws are some of the strictest on the planet.
>But, the same pipe-lines that supply the drugs and other contraband,
>also handle weapons.
>Geographically, the borders around The Balkans, Eastern Bloc, and
>Northern Africa are very porous.
>So, like anywhere, if you got the money, no problem.
I read in an article covering the shooting the man a Dutch citzen had
permits to own five firearms including the machine gun used in the
attack.
Mark
"Zz Yzx" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >I am without words.... this kinda shit can't be happening...
>
> My condolences as well.
>
> I think there's a certain percentage of people who just twist off and
> have a bent for such violence, and that percentage probalby isn't
> increasing. Its just that these days, with modern personal weaponry,
> they can wreak much greater havoc than previously.
>
> In 1968, John Brunner wrote a book called "Stand on Zanzibar". He had
> amazing forethought. He had characters called "muckers" (i.e. people
> who run amock); todays' shooters are just that.
>
> Somehow, we have to make our youth grow up with the understanding that
> it's not an option
>
> -Zz
The phrase 'run amok' has its basis in Malaysia and the far east and goes
back at the least a century or more. It describes a condition of depression
followed by frenzied killing of multiple people. It may not be something
that can be educated out. It is a described (DSM) mental disorder.
--
Ever wonder why doctors, dentists and lawyers have to Practice so much? Ever
wonder why you let them Practice on You?
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> I know nothing about Dutch laws, but is it possible for an individual to
> possess a machine gun in working order in Holland?
>
Obviously, it is possible. Is it legal? No, but laws are not for criminals
anyway. They are for law abiding people.
On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 13:12:15 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:a3f1bc28-819d-4f0a-9ab0-6d1b5aa52b8d@j13g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>> The house I grew up in is on a street very close to the centre of
>> town.
>> Across the street, the street was also lined with similar homes. Those
>> bordered along a field full of greenhouses. They were owned by family
>> friends. When the old man (Lemkes) passed away, the kids sold the land
>> to a developer who built a mall there.
>> Today... 6 dead and 11 wounded in a shooting. Friends and clients of
>> my dad (accountant) own stores in that mall.
>> No word on any of that yet.
>>
>> I am without words.... this kinda shit can't be happening...
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/3n6hxwh
>
>Too bad none of the innocent had guns to defend themselves.
Ouch!
On Sat, 9 Apr 2011 09:23:57 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>The house I grew up in is on a street very close to the centre of
>town.
>Across the street, the street was also lined with similar homes. Those
>bordered along a field full of greenhouses. They were owned by family
>friends. When the old man (Lemkes) passed away, the kids sold the land
>to a developer who built a mall there.
>Today... 6 dead and 11 wounded in a shooting. Friends and clients of
>my dad (accountant) own stores in that mall.
>No word on any of that yet.
>
>I am without words.... this kinda shit can't be happening...
>
>http://tinyurl.com/3n6hxwh
It's a sad truth that lone terrorists can strike anywhere, at any
time, and pretty much nothing can be done about it.
--
Nobody, as long as he moves about among the
chaotic currents of life, is without trouble.
-- Carl Jung
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> I know nothing about Dutch laws, but is it possible for an individual to
>> possess a machine gun in working order in Holland?
>>
> Obviously, it is possible. Is it legal? No, but laws are not for criminals
> anyway. They are for law abiding people.
>
No kidding and what a shame.
The fewer laws we have the more every one gets along. More laws equates to
more criminals.