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Ted Soldan

21/12/2003 9:50 PM

Oscillating Spindle Sander questions

Hello. I am interested in some information from experienced
users of oscillating spindle sanders. I plan to build some
pedestal tables, and the legs will not be turned, but will
have curves in them. Looking over my options for finishing
these pieces, the OSS looks like a good candidate.

My first question is, can one attach a pattern to the piece
to be finished, and just run it along the sanding drum
somehow, similar to a router with a bearing end following
a trim edge? If not, how would one use this machine to finish
a piece with a long curve in it without getting chatter?

I have narrowed my choices do the Grizzly G1071, and the Jet
JOVS-10 machines. Are there opinions out there about these
machines?

Finally, could you please respond directly to me via email,
rather than to this newsgroup? For some reason, my news reader
can't handle the large volume of messages on this list.

Thanks in advance. [email protected]


This topic has 8 replies

Gs

"George"

in reply to Ted Soldan on 21/12/2003 9:50 PM

22/12/2003 5:49 PM

You can have your kids, or the spouse perform the oscillations, cutting down
on the surface burnishing, but, as noted elsewhere, your DP isn't designed
to load sideways. You also have sawdust removal problems, or at least I
did, even when I tried a hose through the center of the DP table and sanding
cutout.

Other things, like longer drums, tilt ability, even, as in the issue of FWW
that arrived today, thicknessing jigs, are possible with a dedicated
machine.

I had SWMBO do the oscillations for several curved pieces one evening, and
the approval for my JET the next day. When I think of all the years the
kids and I suffered....

"Ehvee8or" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've been looking at these things for a couple of months, and haven't
> quite been able to figure out what the benfit of one is over a drum
> sander in the drill press. Any comments?
>
>
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:50:54 -0500, Ted Soldan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Hello. I am interested in some information from experienced
> >users of oscillating spindle sanders. I plan to build some
> >pedestal tables, and the legs will not be turned, but will
> >have curves in them. Looking over my options for finishing
> >these pieces, the OSS looks like a good candidate.
> >
> >My first question is, can one attach a pattern to the piece
> >to be finished, and just run it along the sanding drum
> >somehow, similar to a router with a bearing end following
> >a trim edge? If not, how would one use this machine to finish
> >a piece with a long curve in it without getting chatter?
> >
> >I have narrowed my choices do the Grizzly G1071, and the Jet
> >JOVS-10 machines. Are there opinions out there about these
> >machines?
> >
> >Finally, could you please respond directly to me via email,
> >rather than to this newsgroup? For some reason, my news reader
> >can't handle the large volume of messages on this list.
> >
> >Thanks in advance. [email protected]
>
>
> -------
>
> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"
> - Arthur C Clarke

sS

[email protected] (Steve Wilson)

in reply to Ted Soldan on 21/12/2003 9:50 PM

21/12/2003 10:27 PM

Ted Soldan <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Hello. I am interested in some information from experienced
> users of oscillating spindle sanders. I plan to build some
> pedestal tables, and the legs will not be turned, but will
> have curves in them. Looking over my options for finishing
> these pieces, the OSS looks like a good candidate.
>

Yes, OSS is good for this.

> My first question is, can one attach a pattern to the piece
> to be finished, and just run it along the sanding drum
> somehow, similar to a router with a bearing end following
> a trim edge?

Hmmm, not on an OSS. If you use a sanding sleave on a shaper then I
guess you could add a rub collar so that you can do pattern work.

> If not, how would one use this machine to finish
> a piece with a long curve in it without getting chatter?

Practice and use as large a radius drum as you can.

>
> I have narrowed my choices do the Grizzly G1071, and the Jet
> JOVS-10 machines. Are there opinions out there about these
> machines?
>

Both are good machines but I think the Grizzly is the equal to the Jet
and it's a whole lot less money. This is one of Grizzly's better
machine deals.

GG

Greg G.

in reply to Ted Soldan on 21/12/2003 9:50 PM

22/12/2003 7:41 AM

Ehvee8or thus spake:

>I've been looking at these things for a couple of months, and haven't
>quite been able to figure out what the benfit of one is over a drum
>sander in the drill press. Any comments?

Although I love my DP sanding drums (best $10 I ever spent), they DO
have disadvantages. I believe the primary benefits are less heat
buildup and less clogging of the abrasive, a cleaner cut and less wear
on your DP, which was not designed for lateral loads. IMHO.


Greg G.

sD

[email protected] (Doug Miller)

in reply to Ted Soldan on 21/12/2003 9:50 PM

22/12/2003 12:41 PM

In article <[email protected]>, Ehvee8or <[email protected]> wrote:
>I've been looking at these things for a couple of months, and haven't
>quite been able to figure out what the benfit of one is over a drum
>sander in the drill press. Any comments?
>
A drum sander in the drill press leaves a bunch of parallel scratches in the
workpiece. You can reduce this by moving the workpiece up and down as the drum
turns, but it's tough to maintain a consistent position and angle while doing
so. The OSS performs the same task by moving the drum up and down while the
workpiece remains flat on the table.

--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?

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"anthony diodati"

in reply to Ted Soldan on 21/12/2003 9:50 PM

22/12/2003 5:30 AM


> Ted Soldan <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
Hmmm, not on an OSS. If you use a sanding sleave >
>......................................Snip

Agreed, because it will be going up and down. They have a deal like your
talking about for a drum sander that goes in your drill press. Wood craft
and Rockler IIRC.
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If not, how would one use this machine to finish
> a piece with a long curve in it without getting chatter?

Practice and use as large a radius drum as you can.

Yea the larger radius the drum is the smother you will get large curves.
Another thing I do, Is to sand aggressively, I will feed against the
direction of rotation; at 1st.
Then to help smooth a long curve, I will then feed my stock *with* the
direction of rotation, Letting the drum Kind-of pull the stock past it. This
tends to smooth out any possible slight "ripples" you may have .
Kind-of like climb cutting with a router on climb cutting on a mill.
Hope that makes sense
And normally I work to a finish line.

Thanks, Tony D.







>> > If not, how would one use this machine to finish
> > a piece with a long curve in it without getting chatter?
>
> Practice and use as large a radius drum as you can.
>
> >
> > I have narrowed my choices do the Grizzly G1071, and the Jet
> > JOVS-10 machines. Are there opinions out there about these
> > machines?
> >
>
> Both are good machines but I think the Grizzly is the equal to the Jet
> and it's a whole lot less money. This is one of Grizzly's better
> machine deals.

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"anthony diodati"

in reply to Ted Soldan on 21/12/2003 9:50 PM

22/12/2003 9:45 AM


> In article <[email protected]>, Ehvee8or
<[email protected]> wrote:
> >I've been looking at these things for a couple of months, and haven't
> >quite been able to figure out what the benfit of one is over a drum
> >sander in the drill press. Any comments?

"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:VDBFb.17945$P%[email protected]...
> A drum sander in the drill press leaves a bunch of parallel scratches in
the
> workpiece. You can reduce this by moving the workpiece up and down as the
drum
> turns, but it's tough to maintain a consistent position and angle while
doing
> so. The OSS performs the same task by moving the drum up and down while
the
> workpiece remains flat on the table.

As well as more efficient use of the sanding sleeve, and a smoother
finish,(no 'parallel scratches") also sands faster!
Drum sanders are said to be hard on drill press bearings, Don't know that
1st hand though. Stands to reason though.

Thanks, Tony D.

EE

Ehvee8or

in reply to Ted Soldan on 21/12/2003 9:50 PM

22/12/2003 7:28 AM

I've been looking at these things for a couple of months, and haven't
quite been able to figure out what the benfit of one is over a drum
sander in the drill press. Any comments?


On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:50:54 -0500, Ted Soldan <[email protected]> wrote:

>Hello. I am interested in some information from experienced
>users of oscillating spindle sanders. I plan to build some
>pedestal tables, and the legs will not be turned, but will
>have curves in them. Looking over my options for finishing
>these pieces, the OSS looks like a good candidate.
>
>My first question is, can one attach a pattern to the piece
>to be finished, and just run it along the sanding drum
>somehow, similar to a router with a bearing end following
>a trim edge? If not, how would one use this machine to finish
>a piece with a long curve in it without getting chatter?
>
>I have narrowed my choices do the Grizzly G1071, and the Jet
>JOVS-10 machines. Are there opinions out there about these
>machines?
>
>Finally, could you please respond directly to me via email,
>rather than to this newsgroup? For some reason, my news reader
>can't handle the large volume of messages on this list.
>
>Thanks in advance. [email protected]


-------

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"
- Arthur C Clarke

EE

Ehvee8or

in reply to Ted Soldan on 21/12/2003 9:50 PM

23/12/2003 10:23 AM

My SWMBO is excellent when it comes to letting me buy tools, so I
probably won't even have to put her through the "Here, move this up
and down for me" routine. (There's probably a joke in there
somewhere).

Thanks to everyone for the responses. An OSS will probably be on my
shopping list soon.



On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:49:37 -0500, "George"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>You can have your kids, or the spouse perform the oscillations, cutting down
>on the surface burnishing, but, as noted elsewhere, your DP isn't designed
>to load sideways. You also have sawdust removal problems, or at least I
>did, even when I tried a hose through the center of the DP table and sanding
>cutout.
>
>Other things, like longer drums, tilt ability, even, as in the issue of FWW
>that arrived today, thicknessing jigs, are possible with a dedicated
>machine.
>
>I had SWMBO do the oscillations for several curved pieces one evening, and
>the approval for my JET the next day. When I think of all the years the
>kids and I suffered....
>


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"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"
- Arthur C Clarke


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