Ex-jarhead here, VN vet.........body counts?
In free fire zones, the left ear strung on a piece of wire was
sufficient.
In the pacified areas, Some Luey had to check you off for the score
card.
Small ears were not counted as it made "us" appear to be careless
killers...LOL
Wood working helps relieve the leftover stress of guilt....that plus
lots of Prozac.
Sempre Fi !
Rob V wrote:
> Ok - I was watching the news today about the Iraq stuff - they mentioned one
> soldier had 4 confirmed kills. My wife asks me whats the difference between
> a confirmed kill and a non-confirmed kill?
>
> I have no clue - can someone help me out here???
>
> Thanks
> -R
>
>
>
Confirmed-Dead body verified by an officer
Unconfirmed-Dropped but dragged off opposition?
Kevin
Not to mention the problems of counting chunks after an Arc Light strike...
"Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> From various sources:
>
> During Vietnam the 'body count' was inflated because, the brass said,
> the North would take the bodies of the dead with them. I don't know if
> it's true that the North would take the bodies but the brass used this
> rational to inflate lets say three DBs to ten, or thirty. Depending what
> numbers were needed.
>
Greetings and Salutations....
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:48:56 GMT, Mark <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>
>Kevin French wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Unconfirmed-Dropped but dragged off opposition?
>>
>
>
> From various sources:
>
>During Vietnam the 'body count' was inflated because, the brass said,
>the North would take the bodies of the dead with them. I don't know if
>it's true that the North would take the bodies but the brass used this
>rational to inflate lets say three DBs to ten, or thirty. Depending what
>numbers were needed.
>
>
>
Yea, and for a lot of us who were of "cannon fodder" age
during that time, this complex of lies was another factor in
the erosion of what little trust we had in the government, or
our belief that this war was appropriate. I remember thinking
at the time that if these numbers were true, by the time we
pulled out, we MUST have won, because we had apparently killed
everyone in the bloody country at least twice.
Regards
Dave Mundt
Claimed verses Verified
"Rob V" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ok - I was watching the news today about the Iraq stuff - they mentioned
one
> soldier had 4 confirmed kills. My wife asks me whats the difference
between
> a confirmed kill and a non-confirmed kill?
>
> I have no clue - can someone help me out here???
>
> Thanks
> -R
>
>
>
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:54:47 GMT, "Rob V"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Ok - I was watching the news today about the Iraq stuff - they mentioned one
>soldier had 4 confirmed kills. My wife asks me whats the difference between
>a confirmed kill and a non-confirmed kill?
>
>I have no clue - can someone help me out here???
>
>Thanks
>-R
>
>
Confirmed means that somebody of authority confirms that the kill was
made.
The plonkables abound today (actually, i bet this is the same idiot I got
earlier).
"WouldRight" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Why ? Why not !) wrote:
>
> > Wood working helps relieve the leftover stress of guilt
>
> The guilt is not yours. Let is go.
>
> "mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands" Isaiah 65:22
>
> You did the job every true American male is raised to do. By grace, God
> has preserved you. May you and yours be blessed.
>
> The guilty are those in and above the Roman Catholic CIA who killed John
> Kennedy after he ordered us out of their estate of Vietnam. Pre-Dealey
> Plaza (from 1956): 120 dead in Vietnam; post-Dealey Plaza: 58,000.
>
> The sons of the false rich who sent us just weren't raised right and
> needed to be cheated into the exempt ranks of the Guard and
> Reserve...like the appointed president who facilitated 9/11.
>
> Measure twice, cut once.
Witnesses.
"Rob V" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ok - I was watching the news today about the Iraq stuff - they mentioned
one
> soldier had 4 confirmed kills. My wife asks me whats the difference
between
> a confirmed kill and a non-confirmed kill?
>
> I have no clue - can someone help me out here???
>
> Thanks
> -R
>
>
>
"J.B. Bobbitt" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I'm just a year or so too young to have been involved in that war. My
> draft lottery number was "5", but they didn;t call anybody that year.
> Reading these posts, though, reinforces one big thing:
>
> I have and will vote for every Vietnam vet's benefit bill that is put
> in front of me.
>
> -JBB
>
You may get your chance..... it is looking more and more likely that the US
is considering re-instating the draft....
It will not happen before the next Presidential election as Bush knows that
would be the kiss of death for his re-election chances (which are poor
IMHO) but it very well may happen if he is re-elected.
Kevin French wrote:
>
> Unconfirmed-Dropped but dragged off opposition?
>
From various sources:
During Vietnam the 'body count' was inflated because, the brass said,
the North would take the bodies of the dead with them. I don't know if
it's true that the North would take the bodies but the brass used this
rational to inflate lets say three DBs to ten, or thirty. Depending what
numbers were needed.
--
Mark
N.E. Ohio
Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)
When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)
At one point I was the Artillery Forward Observer for an ARVN Ranger
battalion that always managed to get inserted into the thick of things. They
were damn good troops and always gave a good account of themselves, but
their CO, a Vietnamese Major, routinely listed chickens, pigs, and dogs (all
three considered in the same food group), that were collateral damage as a
result of operations, as enemy KIA. Since I was outranked, and often hungry,
there was not much I could do about it
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 9/21/03
"Dave Mundt" wrote in message
> Yea, and for a lot of us who were of "cannon fodder" age
> during that time, this complex of lies was another factor in
> the erosion of what little trust we had in the government, or
> our belief that this war was appropriate. I remember thinking
> at the time that if these numbers were true, by the time we
> pulled out, we MUST have won, because we had apparently killed
> everyone in the bloody country at least twice.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Why ? Why not !) wrote:
> Wood working helps relieve the leftover stress of guilt
The guilt is not yours. Let is go.
"mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands" Isaiah 65:22
You did the job every true American male is raised to do. By grace, God
has preserved you. May you and yours be blessed.
The guilty are those in and above the Roman Catholic CIA who killed John
Kennedy after he ordered us out of their estate of Vietnam. Pre-Dealey
Plaza (from 1956): 120 dead in Vietnam; post-Dealey Plaza: 58,000.
The sons of the false rich who sent us just weren't raised right and
needed to be cheated into the exempt ranks of the Guard and
Reserve...like the appointed president who facilitated 9/11.
Measure twice, cut once.
I was in the USAF during the Vietnam War.
Another issue these days is Missing in Action (MIA). If you are
unfortunate enough to be in an airplane that is blown to bits and
nothing is ever recovered, I believe you will always be listed as MIA. I
imagine this holds true for the other branches as well.
nuk wrote:
>>
>>Confirmed-Dead body verified by an officer
>>
>>Unconfirmed-Dropped but dragged off opposition?
>>
>
>
In article <[email protected]>,
"J.B. Bobbitt" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I have and will vote for every Vietnam vet's benefit bill that is put in
> front of me.
>
> -JBB
Please help to avoid reappointing the worst of the Vietnam-era
dodgers...whose father put us there by killing JFK...as well.
The incoherent ramblings of a true idiot. To the kill file you go.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Please help to avoid reappointing the worst of the Vietnam-era
> dodgers...whose father put us there by killing JFK...as well.
CW responds:
>The incoherent ramblings of a true idiot. To the kill file you go.
>
>
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Please help to avoid reappointing the worst of the Vietnam-era
>> dodgers...whose father put us there by killing JFK...as well.
Agreed. Where DO these idiots come from? I don't like either Bush, but that is
about the most asinine thing I've read this week.
Charlie Self
"Ain't no man can avoid being born average, but there ain't no man got to be
common." Satchel Paige
>>>Please help to avoid reappointing the worst of the Vietnam-era
>>>dodgers...whose father put us there by killing JFK...as well.
>
>
> responds:
> >>The incoherent ramblings of a true idiot. To the kill file you go.
>>
> Agreed. Where DO these idiots come from? I don't like either Bush, but that is
> about the most asinine thing I've read this week.
>
>
I agree with his first part.
The second part is a little bit out there.
My last boss was in the Milita. That in itself wasn't an issue. This guy
could go on and on about all sorts of 'things' I care not to inumberate.
At first this was amusing, then iritating. Tt was a labor not to tell
him to shut the f*** up. Eventually I couldn't resist.
He would be able to cite 'evidence' (more like coincidence and
circumstance) to support the JFK statement. It would all be rational. He
could also offer as convincing an arguement for it being Cuba, The Mob,
and who knows who. At times my boss was very scairy.
I'm starting to twitch thinking of my former boss.
Far as I'm concerned, ultimately, is the Warren Commision is as vallid
explanation as Stone. Very few people knew the truth, maybe none are
left, the rest of us can only guess.
What I think the poster was trying to do was spread a bit of propaganda
trying ti illustrate the present administrations adgenda. It was done
very badly.
--
Mark
N.E. Ohio
Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)
When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)
LJancila wrote:
>>The incoherent ramblings of a true idiot. To the kill file you go.
>>
>
>
> That's a confirmed kill
>
> L
Thanks for the laugh.
--
--
Mark
N.E. Ohio
Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)
When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:10:49 -0500, Kevin French <[email protected]> wrote:
> Rob V wrote:
>> Ok - I was watching the news today about the Iraq stuff - they mentioned one
>> soldier had 4 confirmed kills. My wife asks me whats the difference between
>> a confirmed kill and a non-confirmed kill?
>>
>> I have no clue - can someone help me out here???
>>
>> Thanks
>> -R
>>
>>
>>
>
> Confirmed-Dead body verified by an officer
>
> Unconfirmed-Dropped but dragged off opposition?
>
I was in the Navy, not the Army or MC, but what I've heard generally
follows the above, w/ the additional qualifier of that I think a large
part of the 'verification' is that they have to be able to examine the
body. One to make sure the cause of death is indeed a bullet from a
sniper rifle, not shrapnel or machine gun fire, and two, to do
demographics on the target: gender, age, condition, equipment carried,
etc.
Not my idea of a fun job.
nuk
--
I know more than enough *nix to do some very destructive things,
and not nearly enough to do very many useful things.
Fri, Oct 31, 2003, 2:43pm (EST+5) [email protected] (nuk) says:
I was in the Navy <snip> examine the body. One to make sure the cause of
death is indeed a bullet from a sniper rifle, not shrapnel or machine
gun fire, and two, to do demographics on the target: gender, age,
condition, equipment carried, etc. <snip>
My mouth kinda dropped open when I read that.
Sounds sorta like you were listening to some Marines.
Our unit had one man with 27 confirmed kills - that is, 27 kills
accredited to him personally. He used a mini-gun (a man's machine gun)
mounted in the back of a hardened vehicle, convoy security. Here's a
link, with pictures of what I'm talking about.
http://academic.uofs.edu/faculty/gramborw/atav/8tc.htm
If you've ever heard a mini-gun, you'll never forget the sound.
Used to watch Spooky's at night. Sounded to me like a tremendously huge
bass fiddle, played with a bow. Some neat color pictures here.
http://www.theaviationzone.com/factsheets/ac47.asp
JOAT
My aim is to get through life peacefully, with as little interferrnce
from human beings as possible.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 30 Oct 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
witnesses
and bodies
without any witnesses, you have a person telling you a story.
With witnesses, you have a much greater chance (knock off the snickering in
the back) that the story is not fiction.
With a body, there is seldom any question.
With witnesses and a body ... well, you have a confirmed kill.
"Rob V" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ok - I was watching the news today about the Iraq stuff - they mentioned
one
> soldier had 4 confirmed kills. My wife asks me whats the difference
between
> a confirmed kill and a non-confirmed kill?
>
> I have no clue - can someone help me out here???
>
> Thanks
> -R
>
>
>
I'm just a year or so too young to have been involved in that war. My draft
lottery number was "5", but they didn;t call anybody that year. Reading
these posts, though, reinforces one big thing:
I have and will vote for every Vietnam vet's benefit bill that is put in
front of me.
-JBB
"Rob V" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ok - I was watching the news today about the Iraq stuff - they mentioned
one
> soldier had 4 confirmed kills. My wife asks me whats the difference
between
> a confirmed kill and a non-confirmed kill?
>
> I have no clue - can someone help me out here???
>
> Thanks
> -R
>
>
>