I have just been tossing the rags into the trash, but I keep seeing warnings
about spontaneous combustion. Is that a real threat? Is there a better way
than putting them in a bucket of water, like the warning say?
I have about a quart of old solvent that I don't know what to do with. I
can't put it down the drain, in the trash, or dump it outside. What do I do
with it? I suppose the proper thing is to take it to the county waste
disposal facility that is open 2 hours a year at secret times, but I am
looking for something more practical.
Thanks.
I use the disposable latex gloves when I work with BLO, tung oil, etc.
When I'm done I hold the rag, peel the glove off my hand so the rag is
inside, fill the glove with water and tie it like a balloon. Then it
goes into the trash.
djb
--
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"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"
Out over the ocean which releases tons of it daily. I'm real worried now.
"Fred the Red Shirt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > It's the flight that reaches the ozone. Oh well, _I_ thought it was
funny.
>
> It's the Chorine compounds in the solid rocket motors that damage the
> ozone. Those are released during the launch phase of the flight.
>
> >
> > STS, BTW
>
> OH, yeah. Shuttle Transport System.
>
> --
>
>
> FF
Wade Lippman wrote:
> I have just been tossing the rags into the trash, but I keep seeing
> warnings about spontaneous combustion. Is that a real threat? Is
> there a better way than putting them in a bucket of water, like the
> warning say?
>
> I have about a quart of old solvent that I don't know what to do
> with. I can't put it down the drain, in the trash, or dump it
> outside. What do I do with it? I suppose the proper thing is to
> take it to the county waste disposal facility that is open 2 hours a
> year at secret times, but I am looking for something more practical.
>
> Thanks.
the threat for rags is very real. I lay mine out to "dry" before disposing
of them and will soak them in water.
As far as the old solvent goes, my local firestation takes random hazardous
wastes in small quantities. You might check with them. Granted, the
reactor water from my home Mr. Fusion doesn't fly, they accept different
solvents and paints.
On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 22:00:24 +0000, B a r r y B u r k e J r. wrote:
> On 8 Nov 2003 10:14:12 -0800, [email protected] (Fred the Red
> Shirt) wrote:
>
>>B a r r y B u r k e J r . <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 07:13:08 -0500, "George"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >It isn't the launch that does it....
>>>
>>> We are talking about the Concorde, correct?
>>>
>>
>>No, the Space Shuttle Transport (SST).
>
>
> Oh.
>
> I think some us were thinking "_S_uper_s_onic _T_ransport, aka the
> Concorde.
>
> I've never heard the shuttle called an "SST", but I surely haven't
> heard everything. <G>
That's because Space Shuttle flights are labelled as STS (Space Transport
System). The final Challenger flight was STS-51, and the final Columbia
flight was STS-107
-Doug
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 22:14:06 GMT, "Wade Lippman"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I have just been tossing the rags into the trash, but I keep seeing warnings
>about spontaneous combustion. Is that a real threat?
Absolutely!!
>Is there a better way
>than putting them in a bucket of water, like the warning say?
They generate heat while drying. So, if you contain the heat, there
may be enough heat contained to start the rag on fire.
Simply spread the rag out flat until dry...usually a day will do it.
Then take it outside to a trash container away from the house.
>I have about a quart of old solvent that I don't know what to do with. I
>can't put it down the drain, in the trash, or dump it outside. What do I do
>with it?
Let it sit in a wide-rimmed container...outside, with no
lid...somewhere where animals and humans can't get to it. It'll
evaporate in a day or so. Then wash out the container...or toss it in
the trash...again, in a container away from the house.
Have a nice week...
Trent
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity!
It isn't the launch that does it....
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:WeYqb.139850$HS4.1120481@attbi_s01...
> I was going to respond but you beat me to it.
>
>
>
> "B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]>
wrote
> in message news:[email protected]...
> > On 7 Nov 2003 16:02:59 -0800, [email protected] (Fred the Red
> > Shirt) wrote:
> >
> > >have you any idea how big a hole the SST puts in the ozone every time
it
> launches?
> >
Stove is the answer, no doubt. Summer puts them in the burn barrel.
"Patrick Fischer" <patrickdfischer@comcast{dot}net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lots of good suggestions. Generally I use disposable rags and just toss
them
> in the shop woodstove. Spontaneous combustion isn't an issue. Of course if
I
> have a rag soaked with thinner I am very very careful tossing it into a
lit
> fire...
> pat..
It's the flight that reaches the ozone. Oh well, _I_ thought it was funny.
STS, BTW
"Fred the Red Shirt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > It isn't the launch that does it....
> >
> > "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:WeYqb.139850$HS4.1120481@attbi_s01...
> > > I was going to respond but you beat me to it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]>
> > wrote
> > > in message news:[email protected]...
> > > > On 7 Nov 2003 16:02:59 -0800, [email protected] (Fred the Red
> > > > Shirt) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >have you any idea how big a hole the SST puts in the ozone every
time
> > it
> > launches?
> > > >
>
> So what is it, if not the clorine compounds from the solid fuel oxydizer?
>
> --
>
> FF
On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:29:21 GMT, B a r r y B u r k e J r .
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 23:34:35 -0500, Silvan
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>> Put it in the shed with the 32 kitty litter jugs full of used
>>motor oil you still have because you can't figure out which two hours the
>>secret facility is open? :)
>
>On a side note, here in CT anyone who sells new motor oil is required
>to take back old stuff. None of the stores in my area even ask for a
>receipt, so I can go anywhere. Ask around, and you may find that
>motor oil is very easy to properly dispose of.
As ANOTHER side note...
When you go to those quick lube places for an oil change...and they
put in oil that does not come out of a can...ask them if they use NEW,
UNUSED oil.
Have a nice week...
Trent
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity!
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 22:14:06 GMT, "Wade Lippman"
<[email protected]> scribbled
>I have just been tossing the rags into the trash, but I keep seeing warnings
>about spontaneous combustion. Is that a real threat? Is there a better way
>than putting them in a bucket of water, like the warning say?
Let them dry on a clothesline or spread out on the ground or a
concrete floor. Then toss.
>I have about a quart of old solvent that I don't know what to do with. I
>can't put it down the drain, in the trash, or dump it outside. What do I do
>with it? I suppose the proper thing is to take it to the county waste
>disposal facility that is open 2 hours a year at secret times, but I am
>looking for something more practical.
Re-use it. I have a 4-litre (gallon, Keith) container labelled "Used
Varsol". Any newly used mineral spirit gets poured in it. The gunk
settles to the bottom. I use it whenever it is not critical that
clean solvent be used (e.g first pass on cleaning a brush, or any goop
that needs to be cleaned off.) Just pour it our carefully. I have yet
to fill up the container.
Luigi
Replace "no" with "yk" twice
in reply address for real email address
Book a ride on the next space shuttle. You will also need a secondary rocket
to take it at least to the other side of the galaxy. If you do any less,
some enviroweenie is going to cry.
"Wade Lippman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have just been tossing the rags into the trash, but I keep seeing
warnings
> about spontaneous combustion. Is that a real threat? Is there a better
way
> than putting them in a bucket of water, like the warning say?
>
> I have about a quart of old solvent that I don't know what to do with. I
> can't put it down the drain, in the trash, or dump it outside. What do I
do
> with it? I suppose the proper thing is to take it to the county waste
> disposal facility that is open 2 hours a year at secret times, but I am
> looking for something more practical.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
Does what?
"George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> It isn't the launch that does it....
>
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:WeYqb.139850$HS4.1120481@attbi_s01...
> > I was going to respond but you beat me to it.
> >
> >
> >
> > "B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]>
> wrote
> > in message news:[email protected]...
> > > On 7 Nov 2003 16:02:59 -0800, [email protected] (Fred the Red
> > > Shirt) wrote:
> > >
> > > >have you any idea how big a hole the SST puts in the ozone every time
> it
> > launches?
> > >
>
>
Check with your city/county government services. I live in a big city which
has a full service environmental waste disposal for citizens who are
residents of the city.
Bob
"Wade Lippman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have just been tossing the rags into the trash, but I keep seeing
warnings
> about spontaneous combustion. Is that a real threat? Is there a better
way
> than putting them in a bucket of water, like the warning say?
>
> I have about a quart of old solvent that I don't know what to do with. I
> can't put it down the drain, in the trash, or dump it outside. What do I
do
> with it? I suppose the proper thing is to take it to the county waste
> disposal facility that is open 2 hours a year at secret times, but I am
> looking for something more practical.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
I'm a career firefighter and this does happen. We always have several
fires during the summer from people staining their fence and then leaving
the rags in a big pile next to their fence. Opps. The biggest thing to
avoid is putting the rags in a confine space, this increases the probabilty
of a fire starting. Leave them set out and dry out or soak them in water.
"Wade Lippman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have just been tossing the rags into the trash, but I keep seeing
warnings
> about spontaneous combustion. Is that a real threat? Is there a better
way
> than putting them in a bucket of water, like the warning say?
>
> I have about a quart of old solvent that I don't know what to do with. I
> can't put it down the drain, in the trash, or dump it outside. What do I
do
> with it? I suppose the proper thing is to take it to the county waste
> disposal facility that is open 2 hours a year at secret times, but I am
> looking for something more practical.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
Andy, everything you said, and I'll add this: this summer I had a stain
soaked rag that I knew might combust, so I rinsed it out with mineral
spirits, wrung it out, and laid it on top of our plastic recycling
container outside the shop. A couple hours later it was in the sun, and
the heat of the rag melted a 3" hole in the container which was full of
papers. Yikes! Damn near started my own house fire with that one! I
guess not enough of the oils from the stain got flushed from the rag.
Now I spread oil soaked rags out on a rock bed, in the shade.
Andy Dingley wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 22:14:06 GMT, "Wade Lippman"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>I have just been tossing the rags into the trash, but I keep seeing warnings
>>about spontaneous combustion.
>
>
> Mineral spirits won't spontaneously combust.
>
> Drying oils certainly will (in the right conditions). Anything that
> has an exothermic curing reaction could potentially do this. But
> simple solvents won't.
>
> There is a hazard with flammable solvents, of them either being set
> off by a tiny ignition source, or them acting as an accelerant to
> something else. The common practice of "spread them out flat on the
> floor" is reasonable advice for oil rags, but a worse practice for
> solvents than throwing them in the trash.
>
> Be careful of solvent vapours too. If you thrown these into a sealed
> bin, let the vapours fill it, then open the lid, you could get a nasty
> surprise if there's an ignition source nearby.
>
>
> Personally I have a steel bin for all finishing rags, and I don't wad
> them up before discarding. If they do choose to combust in there, it's
> of a construction, position and cleanliness that a fire will be
> contained safely. I discard (or burn) them normally, after a few
> days.
>
> --
> Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods
I was going to respond but you beat me to it.
"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
> On 7 Nov 2003 16:02:59 -0800, [email protected] (Fred the Red
> Shirt) wrote:
>
> >have you any idea how big a hole the SST puts in the ozone every time it
launches?
>
> The one that made it's last flight a few weeks back?
>
> Barry
>
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 23:34:35 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Put it in the shed with the 32 kitty litter jugs full of used
>motor oil you still have because you can't figure out which two hours the
>secret facility is open? :)
On a side note, here in CT anyone who sells new motor oil is required
to take back old stuff. None of the stores in my area even ask for a
receipt, so I can go anywhere. Ask around, and you may find that
motor oil is very easy to properly dispose of.
Barry
On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 22:55:19 -0500, Trent© <[email protected]>
wrote:
>When you go to those quick lube places for an oil change...and they
>put in oil that does not come out of a can...ask them if they use NEW,
>UNUSED oil.
You don't have to ask if you change your own oil. <G>
The only vehicle I've ever paid to have the oil changed in was my '96
Nissan King Cab, with the 2.4 four banger. The underhood layout was
so discombobulated that it was simply impossible to remove the filter
without coating yourself in oil. The filter needed to be passed over
a cross member, or the fender lining needed to be removed. Since I
use full synthetic oil, the oil going into that truck always came from
quart bottles, not a gun. The Nissan was the only vehicle I've had
that I didn't drive into the ground. I simply hated that truck.
Even though oil changes are relatively cheap from a dealer, quickie
lube, etc... I like to give everything a once over while I'm there.
I look for leaks, check the belts and hoses, battery connections, wire
insulation, etc... All of these tasks are usually part of a
commercial oil change, but in my experience, simply pencil whipped by
the oil changer. Both of my current vehicles, a '99 Jeep Wrangler
Sport , and an '01 Subaru Outback, are laid out well enough that I can
do each in under 20 minutes. That includes the seven grease fittings
on the Jeep.
I use Mobil 1 and the best filters I can get, unlike the paid guys.
My vehicles are usually driven to the junkyard, with several hundred
thousand miles on them.
Barry
In NYC, where they have restrictions on everything you can imagine,
the sanitation instructs us to absorb the solvent with cat litter or
saw dust. After that we can put it in a bag and throw it in the
regular trash. Rags the same thing, and empty paint or solvent cans
should be left open and put in metal recycling.
Doug
"Wade Lippman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I have just been tossing the rags into the trash, but I keep seeing warnings
> about spontaneous combustion. Is that a real threat? Is there a better way
> than putting them in a bucket of water, like the warning say?
>
> I have about a quart of old solvent that I don't know what to do with. I
> can't put it down the drain, in the trash, or dump it outside. What do I do
> with it? I suppose the proper thing is to take it to the county waste
> disposal facility that is open 2 hours a year at secret times, but I am
> looking for something more practical.
>
> Thanks.
>
> > Put it in the shed with the 32 kitty litter jugs full of used
> >motor oil you still have because you can't figure out which two hours the
> >secret facility is open? :)
>
> On a side note, here in CT anyone who sells new motor oil is required
> to take back old stuff. None of the stores in my area even ask for a
> receipt, so I can go anywhere. Ask around, and you may find that
> motor oil is very easy to properly dispose of.
>
> Barry
I have a neighbor that heats his shop with a "Waste oil heater" that
will take all the oil I can give him.
Rick
Get yourself a bucket, hang it from a tree limb out side, empty the mineral
spirits into the bucket and let evaporate. Cover with screening if you don't
want to harm any critters.
--
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"Wade Lippman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have just been tossing the rags into the trash, but I keep seeing
warnings
> about spontaneous combustion. Is that a real threat? Is there a better
way
> than putting them in a bucket of water, like the warning say?
>
> I have about a quart of old solvent that I don't know what to do with. I
> can't put it down the drain, in the trash, or dump it outside. What do I
do
> with it? I suppose the proper thing is to take it to the county waste
> disposal facility that is open 2 hours a year at secret times, but I am
> looking for something more practical.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<CHSqb.99539$mZ5.645096@attbi_s54>...
> Book a ride on the next space shuttle. You will also need a secondary rocket
> to take it at least to the other side of the galaxy. If you do any less,
> some enviroweenie is going to cry.
>
have you any idea how big a hole the SST puts in the ozone every time it launches?
--
FF
"George" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> It isn't the launch that does it....
>
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:WeYqb.139850$HS4.1120481@attbi_s01...
> > I was going to respond but you beat me to it.
> >
> >
> >
> > "B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]>
> wrote
> > in message news:[email protected]...
> > > On 7 Nov 2003 16:02:59 -0800, [email protected] (Fred the Red
> > > Shirt) wrote:
> > >
> > > >have you any idea how big a hole the SST puts in the ozone every time
> it
> launches?
> > >
So what is it, if not the clorine compounds from the solid fuel oxydizer?
--
FF
B a r r y B u r k e J r . <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 07:13:08 -0500, "George"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >It isn't the launch that does it....
>
> We are talking about the Concorde, correct?
>
No, the Space Shuttle Transport (SST).
--
FF
"George" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> It's the flight that reaches the ozone. Oh well, _I_ thought it was funny.
It's the Chorine compounds in the solid rocket motors that damage the
ozone. Those are released during the launch phase of the flight.
>
> STS, BTW
OH, yeah. Shuttle Transport System.
--
FF
On 7 Nov 2003 16:02:59 -0800, [email protected] (Fred the Red
Shirt) wrote:
>have you any idea how big a hole the SST puts in the ozone every time it launches?
The one that made it's last flight a few weeks back?
Barry
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 22:14:06 GMT, "Wade Lippman"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I have just been tossing the rags into the trash, but I keep seeing warnings
>about spontaneous combustion. Is that a real threat? Is there a better way
>than putting them in a bucket of water, like the warning say?
Not in my book. THe water bucket works great.
>I have about a quart of old solvent that I don't know what to do with. I
>can't put it down the drain, in the trash, or dump it outside. What do I do
>with it?
I let it settle, pour off the clear liquid and toss the dried solids
in the trash. The liquid can be used over and over.
Barry
On 7 Nov 2003 04:18:56 -0800, [email protected] (kilerbbb) wrote:
>In NYC, where they have restrictions on everything you can imagine,
>the sanitation instructs us to absorb the solvent with cat litter or
>saw dust. After that we can put it in a bag and throw it in the
>regular trash. Rags the same thing, and empty paint or solvent cans
>should be left open and put in metal recycling.
>Doug
Depending on how old...and dry...that kitty litter is, this could be
very dangerous for the guy driving that garbage truck.
Have a nice week...
Trent
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity!
On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 07:13:08 -0500, "George"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>It isn't the launch that does it....
We are talking about the Concorde, correct?
Barry
On 8 Nov 2003 10:14:12 -0800, [email protected] (Fred the Red
Shirt) wrote:
>B a r r y B u r k e J r . <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 07:13:08 -0500, "George"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >It isn't the launch that does it....
>>
>> We are talking about the Concorde, correct?
>>
>
>No, the Space Shuttle Transport (SST).
Oh.
I think some us were thinking "_S_uper_s_onic _T_ransport, aka the
Concorde.
I've never heard the shuttle called an "SST", but I surely haven't
heard everything. <G>
Barry
Depending on the solvent level in the rags take a little care when
laying them out on the concrete floor. If that concrete floor contains
a gas hot water heater or other source of ignition.
I usually hang them outside in the back yard until the solvent
evaporates and then toss them in the trash.
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 23:02:15 -0800, Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>Let them dry on a clothesline or spread out on the ground or a
>concrete floor. Then toss.
>
On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 01:04:24 GMT, Jim K <jkajpust@###ameritech.net>
wrote:
>Depending on the solvent level in the rags take a little care when
>laying them out on the concrete floor. If that concrete floor contains
>a gas hot water heater or other source of ignition.
>
>I usually hang them outside in the back yard until the solvent
>evaporates and then toss them in the trash.
Just had a guy pretty much blow himself up this past Winter in my
area...painting in the basement with no ventilation.
He made it...but he went from Caucasian to Negro in a big hurry! lol
Have a nice week...
Trent
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity!
Lots of good suggestions. Generally I use disposable rags and just toss them
in the shop woodstove. Spontaneous combustion isn't an issue. Of course if I
have a rag soaked with thinner I am very very careful tossing it into a lit
fire...
pat..
"Wade Lippman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have just been tossing the rags into the trash, but I keep seeing
warnings
> about spontaneous combustion. Is that a real threat? Is there a better
way
> than putting them in a bucket of water, like the warning say?
>
> I have about a quart of old solvent that I don't know what to do with. I
> can't put it down the drain, in the trash, or dump it outside. What do I
do
> with it? I suppose the proper thing is to take it to the county waste
> disposal facility that is open 2 hours a year at secret times, but I am
> looking for something more practical.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
Wade Lippman wrote:
> I have just been tossing the rags into the trash, but I keep seeing
> warnings
> about spontaneous combustion. Is that a real threat? Is there a better
You'd better believe it is! Happened to my grandfather.
> way than putting them in a bucket of water, like the warning say?
Don't know about better. When I have a rag or a wad of steel wool soaked in
something extremely flammable, I throw it in the grill and set it on fire.
Better to burn it in a controlled way and get it over with than to have to
worry about it. Probably not the most environmentally friendly option, but
much safer than some of the stupid ways I played with fire when I was a
kid. ;)
> with it? I suppose the proper thing is to take it to the county waste
> disposal facility that is open 2 hours a year at secret times, but I am
> looking for something more practical.
Dunno... Put it in the shed with the 32 kitty litter jugs full of used
motor oil you still have because you can't figure out which two hours the
secret facility is open? :)
Poor man's charcoal starter fluid?
--
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On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 22:14:06 GMT, "Wade Lippman"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I have just been tossing the rags into the trash, but I keep seeing warnings
>about spontaneous combustion.
Mineral spirits won't spontaneously combust.
Drying oils certainly will (in the right conditions). Anything that
has an exothermic curing reaction could potentially do this. But
simple solvents won't.
There is a hazard with flammable solvents, of them either being set
off by a tiny ignition source, or them acting as an accelerant to
something else. The common practice of "spread them out flat on the
floor" is reasonable advice for oil rags, but a worse practice for
solvents than throwing them in the trash.
Be careful of solvent vapours too. If you thrown these into a sealed
bin, let the vapours fill it, then open the lid, you could get a nasty
surprise if there's an ignition source nearby.
Personally I have a steel bin for all finishing rags, and I don't wad
them up before discarding. If they do choose to combust in there, it's
of a construction, position and cleanliness that a fire will be
contained safely. I discard (or burn) them normally, after a few
days.
--
Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods