I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of rec.woodworking.
I don't know what they THINK they did, but as of yesterday, every time
I open a thread, I get told I need to sign in to post a response. I'ma
lready signed in.
They've also changed the typeface, shrunk it,and overlaid a dropdown
menu telling me this is rec.woodworking plus all the other info about
the group, right over the upper left corner of the screen. It's like
my first wife: it won't go away.
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> E) Giving a real, unadulterated, email account on a Usenet post is
> more than dumb.
But every spam message I report helps make Yahoo!'s filtering better! They
tell me so every time I select the one or two a day I've been getting.
Puckdropper
--
"The potential difference between the top and bottom of a tree is the
reason why all trees have to be grounded..." -- Bored Borg on
rec.woodworking
To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> "Jack Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message >
>> Ya butt E-S is FREE. Paying $3 for something that is free is goofy.
>> Would be like you sending me $3 for the air you breath...
>
> I'd agree, but having had their service, I'm willing to pay $3 to get
> faster service, less posting hassle, and all of the posts, not just
> "most" of them. E-S is free, but not as good as the pay services from
> my experience.
>
>
One owner of a website pointed out that if you pay for service you've got
someone to complain to when (not if) something goes wrong. Sometimes
free services just cost too much.
Puckdropper
--
"The potential difference between the top and bottom of a tree is the
reason why all trees have to be grounded..." -- Bored Borg on
rec.woodworking
To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote in news:deef1861-3ca9-4921-
[email protected]:
> I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of rec.woodworking.
> I don't know what they THINK they did, but as of yesterday, every time
> I open a thread, I get told I need to sign in to post a response. I'ma
> lready signed in.
>
> They've also changed the typeface, shrunk it,and overlaid a dropdown
> menu telling me this is rec.woodworking plus all the other info about
> the group, right over the upper left corner of the screen. It's like
> my first wife: it won't go away.
Sometimes a cookie or page gets screwed up on your system. Do you know
how to clear the cache and cookies? (In many browsers, you can delete
only certain cookies, so your other pages won't be affected.)
Otherwise, it's something on Google's end and there's nothing much you
can do other than file a bug report and/or complain to Google.
Puckdropper
--
"The potential difference between the top and bottom of a tree is the
reason why all trees have to be grounded..." -- Bored Borg on
rec.woodworking
To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
"Charlie Self" wrote
Astraweb? Worth a shot, I guess.
===========================
Works for me. I can't see paying monthly for something when I can make one
payment and have it last me a long time. I know nothing is forever on the
internet. But I have had good service and fully expect this to give me more
bang for my buck than other solutions.
Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote in
news:602c13a7-aa06-41d9-a972-21e6e3feea3d@k20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
>
> Ah, yes. Yahoo Groups. I joined a Yahoo group about three years ago.
> There was so much email, I tried to drop out, only to
> discover--gasp!-- I hadn't joined. Say what? I didn't belong, anyway.
> That was the upshot.
>
> My solution, since I'd used one of my Yahoo email addresses, was to
> mark all email from that group as spam. After a couple of years, I'm
> now down to maybe a dozen or so emails a week, for which I get the
> "improving spam filtering" message.
Long time users of Yahoo! Groups expect things like this. They happen
often enough to be expected, but not often enough to be a real hassle.
Sometimes a problem will crop up and there's nothing you can do but say
Yah-Phooey!
I do feel your pain with Wildblue. AT&T (incompentant idiots) won't let
us have DSL, but my sister's house next door does. However, one part of
AT&T believes we can get DSL so they won't let us use a dial-up account
for internet access. We've got Wildblue now, where at least downloads
don't take forever.
Ever had a day or night just too nice to get a signal? It happens every
so often here.
Puckdropper
--
"The potential difference between the top and bottom of a tree is the
reason why all trees have to be grounded..." -- Bored Borg on
rec.woodworking
To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
On Jul 7, 8:11=A0am, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of rec.woodworking.
> > I don't know what they THINK they did, but as of yesterday, every time
> > I open a thread, I get told I need to sign in to post a response. I'm
> > already signed in.
>
> Google has been adding many options and new capabilities. I'd suggest you=
go
> through all your Google settings and reset / renter them.
I've got a lot of Google programs on my machine. The NG is the only
one that has problems. No other programs have problems. I'm tired of
screwing with it, as this is about the fifth time in a year.
I can't wait to see Google's OS...on someone else's machine.
On Jul 12, 3:28=A0pm, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote innews:602c13a7-aa06-41d9-a972-=
[email protected]:
>
>
>
> > Ah, yes. Yahoo Groups. I joined a Yahoo group about three years ago.
> > There was so much email, I tried to drop out, only to
> > discover--gasp!-- I hadn't joined. Say what? I didn't belong, anyway.
> > That was the upshot.
>
> > My solution, since I'd used one of my Yahoo email addresses, was to
> > mark all email from that group as spam. After a couple of years, I'm
> > now down to maybe a dozen or so emails a week, for which I get the
> > "improving spam filtering" message.
>
> Long time users of Yahoo! Groups expect things like this. =A0They happen
> often enough to be expected, but not often enough to be a real hassle. =
=A0
> Sometimes a problem will crop up and there's nothing you can do but say
> Yah-Phooey!
>
> I do feel your pain with Wildblue. =A0AT&T (incompentant idiots) won't le=
t
> us have DSL, but my sister's house next door does. =A0However, one part o=
f
> AT&T believes we can get DSL so they won't let us use a dial-up account
> for internet access. =A0We've got Wildblue now, where at least downloads
> don't take forever.
>
> Ever had a day or night just too nice to get a signal? =A0It happens ever=
y
> so often here.
>
Too friggin' often. Gorgeous day, light breeze, I need to upload or
download something for work, but, instead, I'm outside in the lounge
chair reading a new book. Life's a bitch, at times. Or I take the
camera and go blow off steam shooting photos from the Blue Ridge
Parkway.
As far as speed goes, I recall my WV cable, and check a friend's cable
from time to time. WB is about 15-20% as fast as either one.
I'd love DSL, but... When we moved back from my abortive attempt at
working for a company, in WV, my wife came back to make sure this
house was set up. She had the phone lines re-connected, and asked when
DSL would be available. She was told six months. That was six YEARS
ago last month. No DSL, and, these days, no more promises. It's faster
by far, and also far cheaper $14.95 versus $49.95), but they don't
have a repeater close enough. THe nearest one is about six miles away,
exactly where the nearest one was six years ago.
On Jul 14, 12:58=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Charlie Self" wrote:
> >Verizon.
>
> May not be available in your area, but SFWIW, have had GOOD luck with
> Verizon for an ISP.
>
> Had a residential phone/ISP package with reasonable service (Dot head
> tech service) for over a year, then switched to a business package
> (land line phone & ISP, again without TV.
>
> Great service and US based tech support which seals the deal for me.
>
> Lew
Verizon is th eone who told us it would be only six months until they
had DSL here. That was six years ago, and, AFAICT, DSL is jsut as far
away as ever.
Our phones are on Verizon, at least the land lines. And both of them
are out today, which is bright and sunny, mid-80s, no wind, no rain.
Supposedly, the county is now talking over putting in county-wide
broadband, as a part of this stimulus package. I hope so, but it's
very tenative right now.
In article <[email protected]>, Tim Douglass
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Usenet is pretty much not a problem to use your real e-mail. The web,
> on the other hand...
Ewven the web, not so much these days. Most of the address collection
is coming from infected Windows computers. I also see a fair bit aimed
at random names at balderstone.ca, my own domain, but they're
easy-peasy to filter.
On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:24:53 +0000, notbob wrote:
> Besides, I'n not real happy with their TOU policy. To wit:
>
> "Sender Address
> The e-mail addresses given in "From:", "Reply-To:", and "Sender:" SHOULD
> be yours (i.e. you should be entitled to use it) and SHOULD be valid (=
> should not bounce because of invalidity)"......
Throw away email accounts are easily acquired. I'm using one in this
post. So the above requirement should be no problem.
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:05:48 -0700 (PDT), jtpryan <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Personally, I don't get why people prefer a news reader over GG,
Kill files, spam filters, true threading, cross-post filtering,
ignore, hide, catch-up, follow capabilities, speed.
How's that for a start?
--
"We need to make a sacrifice to the gods, find me a young virgin... oh, and bring something to kill"
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
On Jul 10, 12:16=A0am, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote innews:e6a75d57-8aee-418f=
[email protected]:
>
> > =A0 =A0 E) Giving a real, unadulterated, email account on a Usenet post=
is
> > more than dumb.
>
> But every spam message I report helps make Yahoo!'s filtering better! =A0=
They
> tell me so every time I select the one or two a day I've been getting. =
=A0
>
> Puckdropper
> --
> "The potential difference between the top and bottom of a tree is the
> reason why all trees have to be grounded..." -- Bored Borg on
> rec.woodworking
>
> To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
Ah, yes. Yahoo Groups. I joined a Yahoo group about three years ago.
There was so much email, I tried to drop out, only to discover--gasp!--
I hadn't joined. Say what? I didn't belong, anyway. That was the
upshot.
My solution, since I'd used one of my Yahoo email addresses, was to
mark all email from that group as spam. After a couple of years, I'm
now down to maybe a dozen or so emails a week, for which I get the
"improving spam filtering" message.
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of rec.woodworking.
> I don't know what they THINK they did, but as of yesterday, every time
> I open a thread, I get told I need to sign in to post a response. I'ma
> lready signed in.
>
> They've also changed the typeface, shrunk it,and overlaid a dropdown
> menu telling me this is rec.woodworking plus all the other info about
> the group, right over the upper left corner of the screen. It's like
> my first wife: it won't go away.
For $3 a month Giganews will get'cha into any most any news group with no
hassle.
On Jul 7, 7:20=A0am, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
> Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote in news:deef1861-3ca9-4921-
> [email protected]:
>
> > I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of rec.woodworking.
> > I don't know what they THINK they did, but as of yesterday, every time
> > I open a thread, I get told I need to sign in to post a response. I'ma
> > lready signed in.
>
> > They've also changed the typeface, shrunk it,and overlaid a dropdown
> > menu telling me this is rec.woodworking plus all the other info about
> > the group, right over the upper left corner of the screen. It's like
> > my first wife: it won't go away.
>
> Charlie, why not throw $10 at it and try out a 25GB credit at
> astraweb.com? =A0It has lasted me for a year now, and I still have a 24GB
> credit.
>
> --
> Best regards
> Han
> email address is invalid
Astraweb? Worth a shot, I guess.
Tim Douglass <[email protected]> writes:
> On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:00:13 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> E) Giving a real, unadulterated, email account on a Usenet post is
>>more than dumb.
>
> I have been using my real, valid and non-throwaway e-mail on Usenet
> since about 1985. I have *never* received any appreciable amount of
> spam as a result of my Usenet posts
This week, I received 9 spams addressed to email addresses I ONLY used
on USENET. 4 were send to emails I used in 2004, and 4 from addresses
I used in 2007.
One was harvested from google, because I can see the "...@" in the address.
It was worse when google was not munging email addresses.
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:00:13 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> E) Giving a real, unadulterated, email account on a Usenet post is
>more than dumb.
I have been using my real, valid and non-throwaway e-mail on Usenet
since about 1985. I have *never* received any appreciable amount of
spam as a result of my Usenet posts (some minor flaming in the past,
but that's OK). I did, however, make the mistake of putting a valid
e-mail on my web page so people could contact me. Within days I was
receiving dozens of message each day and now it is several hundred a
day - virtually all traceable to that posting on the web.
Usenet is pretty much not a problem to use your real e-mail. The web,
on the other hand....
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
Two Down - Two to Go!
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of rec.woodworking.
> I don't know what they THINK they did, but as of yesterday, every time
> I open a thread, I get told I need to sign in to post a response. I'm
> already signed in.
Google has been adding many options and new capabilities. I'd suggest you go
through all your Google settings and reset / renter them.
On Jul 7, 8:11=A0am, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of rec.woodworking.
> > I don't know what they THINK they did, but as of yesterday, every time
> > I open a thread, I get told I need to sign in to post a response. I'm
> > already signed in.
>
> Google has been adding many options and new capabilities. I'd suggest you=
go
> through all your Google settings and reset / renter them.
I've done that. Twice. No difference.
On Jul 14, 12:05=A0pm, jtpryan <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jul 7, 5:34=A0am, Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of rec.woodworking.
> > I don't know what they THINK they did, but as of yesterday, every time
> > I open a thread, I get told I need to sign in to post a response. I'ma
> > lready signed in.
>
> > They've also changed the typeface, shrunk it,and overlaid a dropdown
> > menu telling me this is rec.woodworking plus all the other info about
> > the group, right over the upper left corner of the screen. It's like
> > my first wife: it won't go away.
>
> What browser are you using? =A0Sorry if you said it, I didn't read the
> entire thread.
>
> Personally, I don't get why people prefer a news reader over GG, I was
> a looooong time Forte user and woldn't go back to it for the world.
> I've been using GG since the onset and never experienced a problem.
> But you need to have an account.
>
> -Jim
Yeah, well, I've got an account. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it
doesn't. The glitches all seem to be in Groups, because I use Google
for my home page layout and a few other things with no problem.
On 2009-07-09, Jack Stein <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ya butt E-S is FREE. Paying $3 for something that is free is goofy.
> Would be like you sending me $3 for the air you breath... The only
> reason to pay for air which is free, is if it were somehow better. You
> are paying $3 for something worse, a 5 gig limit. OK, you will never
> use 5 gigs of text, but E-S is NOT limited, and it is FREE.
Don't have a freakin' cow, dude! It was only a suggestion, not personal
attack on your worth as a human being. sheesh....
Besides, I'n not real happy with their TOU policy. To wit:
"Sender Address
The e-mail addresses given in "From:", "Reply-To:", and "Sender:" SHOULD be
yours (i.e. you should be entitled to use it) and SHOULD be valid (= should
not bounce because of invalidity)"......
I'm not real sure how strict they are on that "SHOULD", but I don't like the
implication. No matter. You seem to be happy with yours and I'm happy with
mine. What could be better. Relax and have a nice day. ;)
nb
On Jul 8, 2:43=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Charlie Self" wrote:
> > I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of
> > rec.woodworking.
>
> Who is your ISP?
>
> Lew
WildBlue, I guess. Satellite dish assholes. It rained yesterday, very,
very lightly, forcing me off line, so just now I tried Google again.
All is fine, after I signed in (even though I was already signed in).
On 2009-07-07, Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
> my first wife: it won't go away.
Usenet, also known as newsgroups, has been around long before Google and
better methods of accessing and enjoying it have too. Get a good newsgroup
client (software) and a good usenet service provider. Here is some good
info:
http://www.newsgroupreviews.com/usenet-providers.html
http://www.newsreaders.com/
Using Google to read usenet is like like asking your MIL what your wife
said. Get a divorce and lose 'em both! ;)
nb
Charlie Self wrote:
> I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of rec.woodworking.
> I don't know what they THINK they did, but as of yesterday, every time
> I open a thread, I get told I need to sign in to post a response. I'ma
> lready signed in.
>
> They've also changed the typeface, shrunk it,and overlaid a dropdown
> menu telling me this is rec.woodworking plus all the other info about
> the group, right over the upper left corner of the screen. It's like
> my first wife: it won't go away.
The simple solution is to not post/read via Google.
--
dadiOH
____________________________
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...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
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Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Charlie Self" wrote:
>
>
>> Verizon is th eone who told us it would be only six months until they
> had DSL here. That was six years ago, and, AFAICT, DSL is jsut as far
> away as ever.
>
> There are some advantages to living in a state with over 12% of the US
> population<G>.
>
> Good luck with the county proposal.
Verizon, unfortunately, vastly underestimates the time to get anything
done. They promised us FIOS more than three years before we finally got
it. Every time we called, we got "it's coming, keep watching, you'll
get it soon!"
Honestly, don't play with DSL, go straight to FIOS, there's no reason
not to and it's infinitely faster. With DSL, I had a 1.5mb upload. Now
I've got 20mb and they're saying that we'll have access to 100mb soon
(soon being a relative term for Verizon).
On 2009-07-08, Jack Stein <[email protected]> wrote:
> Free is pretty darn good if you use http://www.eternal-september.org/
> unless you want binaries. If you want binaries, I'd use the one you pay
> for 25 gigs or whatever it is, and never pay again until you use up all
> 25 gigs. Someone in here uses that, and you can get a hell of a lot of
> ABPW pictures with 25gigs.
If no binaries, you can get 5 gigs for $3 at usenet-news.net. I've had it
for 18 mos (I don't do binaries) and frequent a dozen groups. I've yet to use
even a 1/3 gig.
http://www.newsgroupreviews.com/usenet-news.html
nb
Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote in news:deef1861-3ca9-4921-
[email protected]:
> I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of rec.woodworking.
> I don't know what they THINK they did, but as of yesterday, every time
> I open a thread, I get told I need to sign in to post a response. I'ma
> lready signed in.
>
> They've also changed the typeface, shrunk it,and overlaid a dropdown
> menu telling me this is rec.woodworking plus all the other info about
> the group, right over the upper left corner of the screen. It's like
> my first wife: it won't go away.
Charlie, why not throw $10 at it and try out a 25GB credit at
astraweb.com? It has lasted me for a year now, and I still have a 24GB
credit.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
"Jack Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message >
> Ya butt E-S is FREE. Paying $3 for something that is free is goofy. Would
> be like you sending me $3 for the air you breath...
I'd agree, but having had their service, I'm willing to pay $3 to get faster
service, less posting hassle, and all of the posts, not just "most" of them.
E-S is free, but not as good as the pay services from my experience.
On Jul 7, 5:34=A0am, Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of rec.woodworking.
> I don't know what they THINK they did, but as of yesterday, every time
> I open a thread, I get told I need to sign in to post a response. I'ma
> lready signed in.
>
> They've also changed the typeface, shrunk it,and overlaid a dropdown
> menu telling me this is rec.woodworking plus all the other info about
> the group, right over the upper left corner of the screen. It's like
> my first wife: it won't go away.
What browser are you using? Sorry if you said it, I didn't read the
entire thread.
Personally, I don't get why people prefer a news reader over GG, I was
a looooong time Forte user and woldn't go back to it for the world.
I've been using GG since the onset and never experienced a problem.
But you need to have an account.
-Jim
On Jul 7, 9:22=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Well, if ya gotta go, ya gotta go.
>
> To me, it is like throwing out the baby with the bath water, but I
> understand. =A0FREE isn't what it once was as far as service,
> reliability and ease of use.
>
> I use GG as well, and from time to time they make some changes that
> change the appearance and the user features as well. =A0The changes can
> be irritating, but I still find the price to features ratio worth the
> irritation.
>
> Robert
It would be fine if I cold read all the posts, but somehow, they've
managed to run the whole deal to the far left of my screen, losing at
least one letter in each sentence. It's sad when a 24" monitor ain't
wide enough. Especially when it's a single program and all else works
just fine.
I don't hit the wreck that often these days, so if I fold the hand, it
won't deprive me of much, nor, in fact, will it deprive the wreck of
much.
Well, if ya gotta go, ya gotta go.
To me, it is like throwing out the baby with the bath water, but I
understand. FREE isn't what it once was as far as service,
reliability and ease of use.
I use GG as well, and from time to time they make some changes that
change the appearance and the user features as well. The changes can
be irritating, but I still find the price to features ratio worth the
irritation.
Robert
krw <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 12 Jul 2009 19:28:08 GMT, Puckdropper
> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
*trim*
>>I do feel your pain with Wildblue. AT&T (incompentant idiots) won't
>>let us have DSL, but my sister's house next door does. However, one
>>part of AT&T believes we can get DSL so they won't let us use a
>>dial-up account for internet access. We've got Wildblue now, where at
>>least downloads don't take forever.
>
> What do you mean, "they won't let (you) use a dial-up account"? They
> can hardly stop you, if you were so masochistic.
Oh, we can use one, but they charge us out the nose for using their line
to access a third-party ISP. I guess it's against their TOS...
*trim*
Puckdropper
--
"The potential difference between the top and bottom of a tree is the
reason why all trees have to be grounded..." -- Bored Borg on
rec.woodworking
To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
mac davis wrote:
> On 12 Jul 2009 19:28:08 GMT, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com>
> wrote:
>
>>I do feel your pain with Wildblue. AT&T (incompentant idiots) won't let
>>us have DSL, but my sister's house next door does. However, one part of
>>AT&T believes we can get DSL so they won't let us use a dial-up account
>>for internet access. We've got Wildblue now, where at least downloads
>>don't take forever.
>>
>>Ever had a day or night just too nice to get a signal? It happens every
>>so often here.
>>
>>Puckdropper
>
> We have Hughesnet.. pretty good except for their damn "Fair access
> policy"..
Been there, done that. There were simply some things I could not
download, e.g. any Linux distribution or even some large application
programs.
>
> We were out of luck for most of last night due to what we're guessing was
> weather problems at their end, but that rarely happens..
>
> It works very well, usually..
>
>
> mac
>
> Please remove splinters before emailing
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
On 12 Jul 2009 19:28:08 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:602c13a7-aa06-41d9-a972-21e6e3feea3d@k20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
>
>>
>> Ah, yes. Yahoo Groups. I joined a Yahoo group about three years ago.
>> There was so much email, I tried to drop out, only to
>> discover--gasp!-- I hadn't joined. Say what? I didn't belong, anyway.
>> That was the upshot.
>>
>> My solution, since I'd used one of my Yahoo email addresses, was to
>> mark all email from that group as spam. After a couple of years, I'm
>> now down to maybe a dozen or so emails a week, for which I get the
>> "improving spam filtering" message.
>
>Long time users of Yahoo! Groups expect things like this. They happen
>often enough to be expected, but not often enough to be a real hassle.
>Sometimes a problem will crop up and there's nothing you can do but say
>Yah-Phooey!
>
>I do feel your pain with Wildblue. AT&T (incompentant idiots) won't let
>us have DSL, but my sister's house next door does. However, one part of
>AT&T believes we can get DSL so they won't let us use a dial-up account
>for internet access. We've got Wildblue now, where at least downloads
>don't take forever.
What do you mean, "they won't let (you) use a dial-up account"? They
can hardly stop you, if you were so masochistic.
>Ever had a day or night just too nice to get a signal? It happens every
>so often here.
>
>Puckdropper
Puckdropper wrote:
> krw <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 12 Jul 2009 19:28:08 GMT, Puckdropper
>> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> *trim*
>>> I do feel your pain with Wildblue. AT&T (incompentant idiots) won't
>>> let us have DSL, but my sister's house next door does. However, one
>>> part of AT&T believes we can get DSL so they won't let us use a
>>> dial-up account for internet access. We've got Wildblue now, where
>>> at least downloads don't take forever.
>>
>> What do you mean, "they won't let (you) use a dial-up account"? They
>> can hardly stop you, if you were so masochistic.
>
> Oh, we can use one, but they charge us out the nose for using their
> line to access a third-party ISP. I guess it's against their TOS...
Huh? If AT&T is charging you by the minute for local calls it's time to get
a different phone service.
On 12 Jul 2009 19:28:08 GMT, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>I do feel your pain with Wildblue. AT&T (incompentant idiots) won't let
>us have DSL, but my sister's house next door does. However, one part of
>AT&T believes we can get DSL so they won't let us use a dial-up account
>for internet access. We've got Wildblue now, where at least downloads
>don't take forever.
>
>Ever had a day or night just too nice to get a signal? It happens every
>so often here.
>
>Puckdropper
We have Hughesnet.. pretty good except for their damn "Fair access policy"..
We were out of luck for most of last night due to what we're guessing was
weather problems at their end, but that rarely happens..
It works very well, usually..
mac
Please remove splinters before emailing
On Jul 13, 12:29=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Charlie Self" wrote:
> >WildBlue, I guess. Satellite dish assholes. It rained yesterday,
> >very,
>
> very lightly, forcing me off line, so just now I tried Google again.
> All is fine, after I signed in (even though I was already signed in).
>
> Who provides your land line phone service?
>
> Lew
Verizon.
On Jul 9, 10:24=A0am, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2009-07-09, Jack Stein <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Ya butt E-S is FREE. =A0Paying $3 for something that is free is goofy.
> > Would be like you sending me $3 for the air you breath... The only
> > reason to pay for air which is free, is if it were somehow better. =A0Y=
ou
> > are paying $3 for something worse, a 5 gig limit. =A0OK, you will never
> > use 5 gigs of text, but E-S is NOT limited, and it is FREE.
>
> Don't have a freakin' cow, dude! =A0It was only a suggestion, not persona=
l
> attack on your worth as a human being. =A0sheesh....
>
> Besides, I'n not real happy with their TOU policy. =A0To wit:
>
> "Sender Address
> The e-mail addresses given in "From:", "Reply-To:", and "Sender:" SHOULD =
be
> yours (i.e. you should be entitled to use it) and SHOULD be valid (=3D sh=
ould
> not bounce because of invalidity)"......
>
> I'm not real sure how strict they are on that "SHOULD", but I don't like =
the
> implication. =A0No matter. =A0You seem to be happy with yours and I'm hap=
py with
> mine. =A0What could be better. =A0Relax and have a nice day. =A0;)
Just set up a throw-away Gmail account.
A) It is mine.
B) I am entitled to use it.
C) It is valid. - Will not bounce.
D) I have not once checked to see if there is any email there.
E) Giving a real, unadulterated, email account on a Usenet post is
more than dumb.
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:07:59 -0400, Maxwell Lol <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Tim Douglass <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:00:13 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> E) Giving a real, unadulterated, email account on a Usenet post is
>>>more than dumb.
>>
>> I have been using my real, valid and non-throwaway e-mail on Usenet
>> since about 1985. I have *never* received any appreciable amount of
>> spam as a result of my Usenet posts
>
>This week, I received 9 spams addressed to email addresses I ONLY used
>on USENET. 4 were send to emails I used in 2004, and 4 from addresses
>I used in 2007.
>
>One was harvested from google, because I can see the "...@" in the address.
>
>It was worse when google was not munging email addresses.
I was getting on the order of 500 spam emails a day. Since I munged
my address slightly, it's gone way down (20-50) and many are trivial
to filter (anything with a funky character in the subject, for
example).
On 2009-07-07, RonB <[email protected]> wrote:
> Didn't know I had a problem.
Even if you've had some one hitting your thumb with a hammer since
childbirth, it still feels good when it stops.
nb
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 02:34:39 -0700 (PDT), Charlie Self <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of rec.woodworking.
>I don't know what they THINK they did, but as of yesterday, every time
>I open a thread, I get told I need to sign in to post a response. I'ma
>lready signed in.
>
>They've also changed the typeface, shrunk it,and overlaid a dropdown
>menu telling me this is rec.woodworking plus all the other info about
>the group, right over the upper left corner of the screen. It's like
>my first wife: it won't go away.
IMO, using Google for newsgroups is like using a fingernail file to sand a table
top..
I paid $30 for Agent a few years ago and love it.. I also pay $3 a month for
APN, a great news server...
Compared to what I've paid for small hand tools, this investment is nothing...
YMWV
mac
Please remove splinters before emailing
[email protected] wrote:
> Well, if ya gotta go, ya gotta go.
>
> To me, it is like throwing out the baby with the bath water, but I
> understand. FREE isn't what it once was as far as service,
> reliability and ease of use.
Free is pretty darn good if you use http://www.eternal-september.org/
unless you want binaries. If you want binaries, I'd use the one you pay
for 25 gigs or whatever it is, and never pay again until you use up all
25 gigs. Someone in here uses that, and you can get a hell of a lot of
ABPW pictures with 25gigs.
--
Jack
Using FREE News Server: http://www.eternal-september.org/
http://jbstein.com
krw <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 12 Jul 2009 23:53:03 GMT, Puckdropper
> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Oh, we can use one, but they charge us out the nose for using their
>>line to access a third-party ISP. I guess it's against their TOS...
>
> I have AT&T POTS and haven't seen anything that would preclude dialing
> into another ISP. Don't know how they could tell. Maybe I'll give it
> a shot sometime.
>
They probably have a monitoring system in place that detects lengthy
calls, and then either look up the phone number or listen in on the
call. It was a marketing thing... an evil marketing thing (that FAILED!
ha ha ha ha).
Puckdropper
--
"The potential difference between the top and bottom of a tree is the
reason why all trees have to be grounded..." -- Bored Borg on
rec.woodworking
To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
On 12 Jul 2009 23:53:03 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>krw <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 12 Jul 2009 19:28:08 GMT, Puckdropper
>> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>*trim*
>>>I do feel your pain with Wildblue. AT&T (incompentant idiots) won't
>>>let us have DSL, but my sister's house next door does. However, one
>>>part of AT&T believes we can get DSL so they won't let us use a
>>>dial-up account for internet access. We've got Wildblue now, where at
>>>least downloads don't take forever.
>>
>> What do you mean, "they won't let (you) use a dial-up account"? They
>> can hardly stop you, if you were so masochistic.
>
>Oh, we can use one, but they charge us out the nose for using their line
>to access a third-party ISP. I guess it's against their TOS...
I have AT&T POTS and haven't seen anything that would preclude dialing
into another ISP. Don't know how they could tell. Maybe I'll give it
a shot sometime.
notbob wrote:
> On 2009-07-08, Jack Stein <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Free is pretty darn good if you use http://www.eternal-september.org/
>> unless you want binaries. If you want binaries, I'd use the one you pay
>> for 25 gigs or whatever it is, and never pay again until you use up all
>> 25 gigs. Someone in here uses that, and you can get a hell of a lot of
>> ABPW pictures with 25gigs.
>
> If no binaries, you can get 5 gigs for $3 at usenet-news.net. I've had it
> for 18 mos (I don't do binaries) and frequent a dozen groups. I've yet to use
> even a 1/3 gig.
> http://www.newsgroupreviews.com/usenet-news.html
Ya butt E-S is FREE. Paying $3 for something that is free is goofy.
Would be like you sending me $3 for the air you breath... The only
reason to pay for air which is free, is if it were somehow better. You
are paying $3 for something worse, a 5 gig limit. OK, you will never
use 5 gigs of text, but E-S is NOT limited, and it is FREE.
Personally, I liked getting binaries free from comcast (giganews) and
enjoyed them. Not sure I want to pay for them now, even $3/month,
primarily because I suspect few people post in binary groups now because
they have to actually pay to participate. ABPW was not that active when
it was all free, so I can't imagine it would get busier. I used to like
Alt binaries picture original a lot, which had/has a lot of great
photographers and really nice people, and I suspect it is still really
active because those folks were pretty serious. It was so active when
everything was free, I couldn't keep up with it, so it may even be
better now. Still, I haven't decided to go through the aggravation of a
pay service. It's not just the $3/month for giganews, but getting the
money to them is an aggravation in itself.
--
Jack
Using FREE News Server: http://www.eternal-september.org/
http://jbstein.com
>Free is pretty darn good if you use http://www.eternal-september.org/
That name is full of win.
--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
notbob wrote:
> On 2009-07-09, Jack Stein <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Ya butt E-S is FREE. Paying $3 for something that is free is goofy.
>> Would be like you sending me $3 for the air you breath... The only
>> reason to pay for air which is free, is if it were somehow better. You
>> are paying $3 for something worse, a 5 gig limit. OK, you will never
>> use 5 gigs of text, but E-S is NOT limited, and it is FREE.
> Don't have a freakin' cow, dude! It was only a suggestion, not personal
> attack on your worth as a human being. sheesh....
My worth as a human being is hardly dependent on whether or not you pay
for air, or not...
> Besides, I'n not real happy with their TOU policy. To wit:
> "Sender Address
> The e-mail addresses given in "From:", "Reply-To:", and "Sender:" SHOULD be
> yours (i.e. you should be entitled to use it) and SHOULD be valid (= should
> not bounce because of invalidity)"......
I wouldn't know, I never felt the need to hide anything, but my guess is
no one there would have a clue what return address you put in your mail
program unless bad things started happening.
> I'm not real sure how strict they are on that "SHOULD", but I don't like the
> implication.
I think, without reading it, the implication is he would prefer you use
usenet for legal purpose and not be hiding behind a fake address. I
don't think he has a problem if you add junk to your address in some
wacky attempt to prevent spam. I think he would have a problem if I
posted under say, your name with your email address, or were spewing out
spam across usenet using his servers. Nothing normal folks should be
concerned with.
> No matter. You seem to be happy with yours and I'm happy with
> mine. What could be better.
I liked it better when I got binaries free from Comcast/Giganews. Other
than that, I got nothing.
Relax and have a nice day. ;)
Ditto.
--
Jack
Using FREE News Server: http://www.eternal-september.org/
http://jbstein.com
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> "Jack Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message >
>> Ya butt E-S is FREE. Paying $3 for something that is free is goofy. Would
>> be like you sending me $3 for the air you breath...
> I'd agree, but having had their service, I'm willing to pay $3 to get faster
> service, less posting hassle, and all of the posts, not just "most" of them.
> E-S is free, but not as good as the pay services from my experience.
I had Giganews for years and E-S is exactly the same as far as speed, no
lost posts and everything showing up? If I had your experience, I would
not be recommending E-S. The only difference I've seen is E-S does not
have binaries. Other than that, it's been close to perfect for me.
--
Jack
Using FREE News Server: http://www.eternal-september.org/
http://jbstein.com
Lee Michaels wrote:
> "Puckdropper" wrote
>> One owner of a website pointed out that if you pay for service you've got
>> someone to complain to when (not if) something goes wrong. Sometimes
>> free services just cost too much.
>>
> Ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
This is bogus. E-S has a usenet group (motzarella.support) where you
can talk to the developers and users with any complaints, problems and
so on. You can participate as much as you want.
When Motzarella switched over to Eternal-September I got an email
several weeks before it was to happen, with instructions on exactly how
to make the switchover. When Comcast dropped Usenet on me, a service I
paid for, I got nothing, not one notice, nada.
Some people had problems making the switch, and support was instant and
thorough using the Motzarella support group. About the only way it
could be better is if your pay service provided a tech at your side when
an issue arouse, and my experience with techs has always been dismal
compared to support you get from developers and users in a group.
It's like finding out the best method, or product for a woodworking
issue. You get the best answers right here from your fellow
woodworkers. You get multiple views and multiple experiences, with no
bias from people trying to sell you stuff.
Anyway, if you guys can't get it working right, or can't believe free
can be good, don't let me stop you from spending money on free air or
free usenet.
--
Jack
Using FREE News Server: http://www.eternal-september.org/
http://jbstein.com
Charlie Self wrote:
> I have a feeling Google has finally driven me out of rec.woodworking.
> I don't know what they THINK they did, but as of yesterday, every time
> I open a thread, I get told I need to sign in to post a response. I'ma
> lready signed in.
>
> They've also changed the typeface, shrunk it,and overlaid a dropdown
> menu telling me this is rec.woodworking plus all the other info about
> the group, right over the upper left corner of the screen. It's like
> my first wife: it won't go away.
The problem lies more with you for using Google than with Google itself.
There are many news servers, some fee-based, many free. Your ISP may even
have one as part of its full-service offering.
"Charlie Self" wrote:
>Verizon.
May not be available in your area, but SFWIW, have had GOOD luck with
Verizon for an ISP.
Had a residential phone/ISP package with reasonable service (Dot head
tech service) for over a year, then switched to a business package
(land line phone & ISP, again without TV.
Great service and US based tech support which seals the deal for me.
Lew