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14/09/2004 5:04 AM

Trying to ID chairs

Hello, I'm trying to determine what to call these chairs as to style,
type etc. Maybe a guess as to what kind of wood?

Thanks!


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Dd

"Doc"

in reply to [email protected] (Doc) on 14/09/2004 5:04 AM

14/09/2004 10:34 PM


<T-13> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> >Hello, I'm trying to determine what to call these chairs as to style,
> >type etc. Maybe a guess as to what kind of wood?

> Sorry, looks like crap to me.
> Don't quit your day job.

That's nice. I wasn't asking if they were worth a mint, just what kind of
chair they are. Since there doesn't appear to be a forum for "unidentified
old chairs" this seems to be the closest group I can find.

pc

"patrick conroy"

in reply to [email protected] (Doc) on 14/09/2004 5:04 AM

15/09/2004 5:25 PM


"Doc" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> I just disovered they have "HAVERTY-JAX" stenciled across the underside of
> the of seats. Presumably they were sold or manuf'd by Haverty's out of
> Jacksonville sometime between the time the Mayflower landed and now.

1885 and now...

RM

Ronnie McKinley

in reply to [email protected] (Doc) on 14/09/2004 5:04 AM

15/09/2004 6:05 PM

In rec.antiques "firstjois" <[email protected]> wrote:


>A lot of people consider anything over 50 years old to be antiques, they
>might have more value than you'd suspect.

No dealer, auctioneer or collector worth his or her salt would regard 50
year old items as "antique" - what the general ignorant masses regard as
antique is another story. Watching something like Bargain Hunt is witness
to that.

Of course, that is not to say **certain** items and objects of 50 years of
age (or less) can not be worth large sums of money. But in this case, the
items are neither antique nor I'm I afraid worth any considerable money.
In fact, they are gad damn ugly and rather ill-made looking things and
unless they have some sentimental value I personally wouldn't give them
house room.




--
Ronnie

pc

"patrick conroy"

in reply to [email protected] (Doc) on 14/09/2004 5:04 AM

16/09/2004 7:10 PM


"John Bragg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> You have my sympathy, Doc. I can't remember exactly, but somebody once
> said of somebody that they had had their sense of irony surgically
> removed?

Mine's still in place and growing nicely.
Perhaps it's a tumor?

"Itz not a tooomah!"
(Kindergarten Cop)


1885 is the date I pulled from Haverty's corporate website.

RM

Ronnie McKinley

in reply to [email protected] (Doc) on 14/09/2004 5:04 AM

16/09/2004 1:00 AM

In rec.antiques "Doc" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"patrick conroy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Doc" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> > I just disovered they have "HAVERTY-JAX" stenciled across the underside
>of
>> > the of seats. Presumably they were sold or manuf'd by Haverty's out of
>> > Jacksonville sometime between the time the Mayflower landed and now.
>>
>> 1885 and now...
>
>Again, not being serious. Of course, I don't know exactly how old they are
>but I didn't really think they were a hefted over by the Pilgrims.
>
>What's significant about 1885? Founding of Jacksonville?
>


No. The founding of the company Havertys.



--
Ronnie

jj

jo4hn

in reply to [email protected] (Doc) on 14/09/2004 5:04 AM

15/09/2004 10:15 PM

Robert Bonomi wrote:
[snip]>

>
> For computers, 50 years would be (nearly) universally regarded as 'antique'.
> Probably even 25 years.
>
How about 2.5 years. Obsolete is maybe 6 months. Same for programmers.
mahalo,
jo4hn

JB

John Bragg

in reply to [email protected] (Doc) on 14/09/2004 5:04 AM

16/09/2004 5:30 AM

You have my sympathy, Doc. I can't remember exactly, but somebody once
said of somebody that they had had their sense of irony surgically
removed?

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:29:09 GMT, "Doc"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"patrick conroy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Doc" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> > I just disovered they have "HAVERTY-JAX" stenciled across the underside
>of
>> > the of seats. Presumably they were sold or manuf'd by Haverty's out of
>> > Jacksonville sometime between the time the Mayflower landed and now.
>>
>> 1885 and now...
>
>Again, not being serious. Of course, I don't know exactly how old they are
>but I didn't really think they were a hefted over by the Pilgrims.
>
>What's significant about 1885? Founding of Jacksonville?
>

ff

"firstjois"

in reply to [email protected] (Doc) on 14/09/2004 5:04 AM

14/09/2004 10:01 PM


"Mike Wilcox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
:
:
: Doc wrote:
: > <T-13> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
: >
: >>>Hello, I'm trying to determine what to call these chairs as to style,
: >>>type etc. Maybe a guess as to what kind of wood?
: >
: >
: >>Sorry, looks like crap to me.
: >>Don't quit your day job.
: >
: >
: > That's nice. I wasn't asking if they were worth a mint, just what kind
of
: > chair they are. Since there doesn't appear to be a forum for
"unidentified
: > old chairs" this seems to be the closest group I can find.
: >
: >
:
: They're what some call "T Backs", a Colonial Revival style chair based
: very, very loosely on original Queen Ann chairs. These were produced by
: the millions during the turn of the 19th Century by factories centered
: around Grand Rapids Michigan and sold by Mail order through catalogues
: such as Montgomery Wards.

Dd

"Doc"

in reply to [email protected] (Doc) on 14/09/2004 5:04 AM

15/09/2004 2:52 AM

I just disovered they have "HAVERTY-JAX" stenciled across the underside of
the of seats. Presumably they were sold or manuf'd by Haverty's out of
Jacksonville sometime between the time the Mayflower landed and now.

c

in reply to [email protected] (Doc) on 14/09/2004 5:04 AM

15/09/2004 3:18 AM

We have Haverty's furniture stores here in Austin, TX, so that JAX m-i-g-h-t
mean Jacksonville in East Texas.



"Doc" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I just disovered they have "HAVERTY-JAX" stenciled across the underside of
> the of seats. Presumably they were sold or manuf'd by Haverty's out of
> Jacksonville sometime between the time the Mayflower landed and now.
>
>

Dd

"Doc"

in reply to [email protected] (Doc) on 14/09/2004 5:04 AM

15/09/2004 6:29 PM


"patrick conroy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Doc" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > I just disovered they have "HAVERTY-JAX" stenciled across the underside
of
> > the of seats. Presumably they were sold or manuf'd by Haverty's out of
> > Jacksonville sometime between the time the Mayflower landed and now.
>
> 1885 and now...

Again, not being serious. Of course, I don't know exactly how old they are
but I didn't really think they were a hefted over by the Pilgrims.

What's significant about 1885? Founding of Jacksonville?

bR

[email protected] (Robert Bonomi)

in reply to [email protected] (Doc) on 14/09/2004 5:04 AM

15/09/2004 7:58 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
Ronnie McKinley <no-where> wrote:
>In rec.antiques "firstjois" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>A lot of people consider anything over 50 years old to be antiques, they
>>might have more value than you'd suspect.
>
>No dealer, auctioneer or collector worth his or her salt would regard 50
>year old items as "antique" - what the general ignorant masses regard as
>antique is another story. Watching something like Bargain Hunt is witness
>to that.

CAVEAT: What is accepted as an 'antique' *does* vary. widely. *Depending*
on the type of product involved.

For furniture, the 'accepted standard' is "100 years or more" old .

For automobiles, 50 years does qualify for legal status as an antique in
most states.

For computers, 50 years would be (nearly) universally regarded as 'antique'.
Probably even 25 years.

>Of course, that is not to say **certain** items and objects of 50 years of
>age (or less) can not be worth large sums of money. But in this case, the
>items are neither antique nor I'm I afraid worth any considerable money.
>In fact, they are gad damn ugly and rather ill-made looking things and
>unless they have some sentimental value I personally wouldn't give them
>house room.
>
>
>
>
>--
>Ronnie

Dd

"Doc"

in reply to [email protected] (Doc) on 14/09/2004 5:04 AM

15/09/2004 2:38 AM


"Mike Wilcox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...


> They're what some call "T Backs", a Colonial Revival style chair based
> very, very loosely on original Queen Ann chairs.

Thanks for the info!

ff

"firstjois"

in reply to [email protected] (Doc) on 14/09/2004 5:04 AM

14/09/2004 10:05 PM


"Mike Wilcox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
:
:
: Doc wrote:
: > <T-13> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
: >
: >>>Hello, I'm trying to determine what to call these chairs as to style,
: >>>type etc. Maybe a guess as to what kind of wood?
: >
: >
: >>Sorry, looks like crap to me.
: >>Don't quit your day job.
: >
: >
: > That's nice. I wasn't asking if they were worth a mint, just what kind
of
: > chair they are. Since there doesn't appear to be a forum for
"unidentified
: > old chairs" this seems to be the closest group I can find.
: >
: >
:
: They're what some call "T Backs", a Colonial Revival style chair based
: very, very loosely on original Queen Ann chairs. These were produced by
: the millions during the turn of the 19th Century by factories centered
: around Grand Rapids Michigan and sold by Mail order through catalogues
: such as Montgomery Wards.

See http://www.southbayantiques.com/chairs.htm as an example.

Josie

MW

Mike Wilcox

in reply to [email protected] (Doc) on 14/09/2004 5:04 AM

14/09/2004 6:57 PM



Doc wrote:
> <T-13> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>>>Hello, I'm trying to determine what to call these chairs as to style,
>>>type etc. Maybe a guess as to what kind of wood?
>
>
>>Sorry, looks like crap to me.
>>Don't quit your day job.
>
>
> That's nice. I wasn't asking if they were worth a mint, just what kind of
> chair they are. Since there doesn't appear to be a forum for "unidentified
> old chairs" this seems to be the closest group I can find.
>
>

They're what some call "T Backs", a Colonial Revival style chair based
very, very loosely on original Queen Ann chairs. These were produced by
the millions during the turn of the 19th Century by factories centered
around Grand Rapids Michigan and sold by Mail order through catalogues
such as Montgomery Wards.

JV

"Jessica V."

in reply to [email protected] (Doc) on 14/09/2004 5:04 AM

15/09/2004 12:36 PM

Ronnie McKinley wrote:

> In rec.antiques "Doc" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>I just disovered they have "HAVERTY-JAX" stenciled across the underside of
>>the of seats. Presumably they were sold or manuf'd by Haverty's out of
>>Jacksonville sometime between the time the Mayflower landed and now.
>>
>
>
>
> Now they would hardly date from the early 1600s. Try and get real.
>
> Mike Wilcox, has already explained all about this type of chair. What more
> do you really need to know? At the very, very best (although I've have my
> doubts) first quarter of the 20th century. Worth? not very much, IMO.
>
>
>

I'd say first half of the 20th century to cover the majority. In my
neck of the woods a single run of the mill T-back that needs some TLC
runs $15-$35 a set of four $135-$225.

Jessica

RM

Ronnie McKinley

in reply to [email protected] (Doc) on 14/09/2004 5:04 AM

15/09/2004 5:26 PM

In rec.antiques "Doc" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I just disovered they have "HAVERTY-JAX" stenciled across the underside of
>the of seats. Presumably they were sold or manuf'd by Haverty's out of
>Jacksonville sometime between the time the Mayflower landed and now.
>


Now they would hardly date from the early 1600s. Try and get real.

Mike Wilcox, has already explained all about this type of chair. What more
do you really need to know? At the very, very best (although I've have my
doubts) first quarter of the 20th century. Worth? not very much, IMO.



--
Ronnie

ff

"firstjois"

in reply to [email protected] (Doc) on 14/09/2004 5:04 AM

14/09/2004 10:08 PM


"Mike Wilcox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
:
:
: Doc wrote:
: > <T-13> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
: >
: >>>Hello, I'm trying to determine what to call these chairs as to style,
: >>>type etc. Maybe a guess as to what kind of wood?
: >
: >
: >>Sorry, looks like crap to me.
: >>Don't quit your day job.
: >
: >
: > That's nice. I wasn't asking if they were worth a mint, just what kind
of
: > chair they are. Since there doesn't appear to be a forum for
"unidentified
: > old chairs" this seems to be the closest group I can find.
: >
: >
:
: They're what some call "T Backs", a Colonial Revival style chair based
: very, very loosely on original Queen Ann chairs. These were produced by
: the millions during the turn of the 19th Century by factories centered
: around Grand Rapids Michigan and sold by Mail order through catalogues
: such as Montgomery Wards.

More:

http://www.gindersantiques.com/chairsrockers.htm

www.google.com and "t back chairs" gives several pictures and prices.

Josie

EP

"Edwin Pawlowski"

in reply to [email protected] (Doc) on 14/09/2004 5:04 AM

15/09/2004 2:31 AM


"Doc" <[email protected]> wrote in message

> Hello, I'm trying to determine what to call these chairs as to style,
> type etc. Maybe a guess as to what kind of wood?

They are called dining room chairs. Usually come in sets of four.

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to [email protected] (Doc) on 14/09/2004 5:04 AM

14/09/2004 7:55 PM

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:34:39 GMT, "Doc"
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:

>
><T-13> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>
>> >Hello, I'm trying to determine what to call these chairs as to style,
>> >type etc. Maybe a guess as to what kind of wood?
>
>> Sorry, looks like crap to me.
>> Don't quit your day job.
>
>That's nice. I wasn't asking if they were worth a mint, just what kind of
>chair they are. Since there doesn't appear to be a forum for "unidentified
>old chairs" this seems to be the closest group I can find.

Try the local library for:

The complete guide to furniture styles. Book

Author: Boger, Louise Ade.
Publisher, Date: New York, Scribner [1959]
Description: x, 438 p. plates, map. 26 cm.

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MW

Mike Wilcox

in reply to [email protected] (Doc) on 14/09/2004 5:04 AM

15/09/2004 10:01 AM



firstjois wrote:
> "Mike Wilcox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> :
> :
> : Doc wrote:
> : > <T-13> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> : >
> : >>>Hello, I'm trying to determine what to call these chairs as to style,
> : >>>type etc. Maybe a guess as to what kind of wood?
> : >
> : >
> : >>Sorry, looks like crap to me.
> : >>Don't quit your day job.
> : >
> : >
> : > That's nice. I wasn't asking if they were worth a mint, just what kind
> of
> : > chair they are. Since there doesn't appear to be a forum for
> "unidentified
> : > old chairs" this seems to be the closest group I can find.
> : >
> : >
> :
> : They're what some call "T Backs", a Colonial Revival style chair based
> : very, very loosely on original Queen Ann chairs. These were produced by
> : the millions during the turn of the 19th Century by factories centered
> : around Grand Rapids Michigan and sold by Mail order through catalogues
> : such as Montgomery Wards.
>
> See http://www.southbayantiques.com/chairs.htm as an example.
>
> Josie
>
>

Those are top values for fully restored examples, at auction in the
rough they go for considerably less. The cost of restoration is close
what they go for restored, the last ones I did I charged $140.00* each.
The lower quality examples are not worth fixing in the current market.

* Two years ago, strip, reglue, refinish

Dd

"Doc"

in reply to [email protected] (Doc) on 14/09/2004 5:04 AM

15/09/2004 6:26 PM


"Ronnie McKinley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Now they would hardly date from the early 1600s. Try and get real.

From Merriam Webster Online:

Main Entry: fa·ce·tious
Pronunciation: f&-'sE-sh&s
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle French facetieux, from facetie jest, from Latin facetia
1 : joking or jesting often inappropriately : WAGGISH <just being facetious>
2 : meant to be humorous or funny : not serious <a facetious remark>

ff

"firstjois"

in reply to [email protected] (Doc) on 14/09/2004 5:04 AM

14/09/2004 10:03 PM


"Mike Wilcox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
:
:
: Doc wrote:
: > <T-13> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
: >
: >>>Hello, I'm trying to determine what to call these chairs as to style,
: >>>type etc. Maybe a guess as to what kind of wood?
: >
: >
: >>Sorry, looks like crap to me.
: >>Don't quit your day job.
: >
: >
: > That's nice. I wasn't asking if they were worth a mint, just what kind
of
: > chair they are. Since there doesn't appear to be a forum for
"unidentified
: > old chairs" this seems to be the closest group I can find.
: >
: >
:
: They're what some call "T Backs", a Colonial Revival style chair based
: very, very loosely on original Queen Ann chairs. These were produced by
: the millions during the turn of the 19th Century by factories centered
: around Grand Rapids Michigan and sold by Mail order through catalogues
: such as Montgomery Wards.

A lot of people consider anything over 50 years old to be antiques, they
might have more value than you'd suspect.

Jois


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