On 4/18/2012 3:47 PM, JayPique wrote:
> On Monday, April 16, 2012 10:48:04 PM UTC-4, Swingman wrote:
>
>> That's cool, having first hand experience. How about stability, and did
>> you get a sense of longevity? IOW, do you think they will last?
>
> Once we realized we had less wiggle room than we thought as far as hole alignment they worked very effectively - for our application. We were attaching finished sides to large bookcases, and the sides had stopped dados in them to house the shelves. So really they were only required to be stable in tension - which they did well. They snug up really tight - and my guess is that the ratcheting action could pull the threaded insert right out if you weren't careful. My guess is that that they will stay tight for many years, given the fixed nature of the cabinets.
>
>> I've had a couple of small jobs where clients have wanted something that
>> would have benefited from the technology.
>
> I'd be interested in this type of thing that could be tightened in a different orientation - namely flat to a wall.
>
>> Do your recall approximately what it added to the cost?
>
> I think the kit cost ~$375 which included 20 fasteners. Each additional faster cost 5 bucks. So they aren't cheap. But they are fairly quick and easy to install, although I definitely recommend making a drilling jig versus just measuring and marking. This was part of a change order for us, so we billed the client. We were physically unable to get the assembled cabinets up to the 14th floor and into their condo!
Thanks. A bit steep for a one-off, but solutions for tough problems
usually are, and probably cheaper in the long run. In any event it
sounds like they're sufficiently robust for the right application. I get
lots of problem solving projects, so tucking this one away for future
reference ... good to know, just that little bit of description shines a
lot of light on appropriate use ... thanks for the feedback.
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On Monday, April 16, 2012 10:48:04 PM UTC-4, Swingman wrote:
> That's cool, having first hand experience. How about stability, and did=
=20
> you get a sense of longevity? IOW, do you think they will last?
=20
Once we realized we had less wiggle room than we thought as far as hole ali=
gnment they worked very effectively - for our application. We were attachi=
ng finished sides to large bookcases, and the sides had stopped dados in th=
em to house the shelves. So really they were only required to be stable in=
tension - which they did well. They snug up really tight - and my guess i=
s that the ratcheting action could pull the threaded insert right out if yo=
u weren't careful. My guess is that that they will stay tight for many yea=
rs, given the fixed nature of the cabinets.
> I've had a couple of small jobs where clients have wanted something that=
=20
> would have benefited from the technology.
I'd be interested in this type of thing that could be tightened in a differ=
ent orientation - namely flat to a wall.
=20
> Do your recall approximately what it added to the cost?
I think the kit cost ~$375 which included 20 fasteners. Each additional fa=
ster cost 5 bucks. So they aren't cheap. But they are fairly quick and ea=
sy to install, although I definitely recommend making a drilling jig versus=
just measuring and marking. This was part of a change order for us, so we=
billed the client. We were physically unable to get the assembled cabinet=
s up to the 14th floor and into their condo!
=20
> Thanks
>=20
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I recently used these on a job in Manhattan. The client wanted some BIG ca=
binets/bookshelves that wouldn't fit into the old elevators and were to big=
to even carry up the stairs fully assembled. So we shipped them mostly fl=
at and used the INVIS thingies to assemble them. Pretty slick, but pretty =
fussy. =20
On 4/16/2012 11:44 AM, Swingman wrote:
> Interesting, if nothing else:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NQ563p_ozI&feature=my_favorites&list=FLGRqzwROXKuwmgZWgy5Ufqg
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz8nCh-obEs&feature=related
Introduction to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgbQWMuJb5w&feature=related
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On Apr 16, 7:16=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 4/16/2012 5:53 PM, John McGaw wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 4/16/2012 1:27 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
> >> There's been something like that on the market for a while. I don't
> >> know if
> >> it was Lamello, but I did see something like that 5 or 6 years ago.
>
> >> On 4/16/2012 12:44 PM, Swingman wrote:
> >>> Interesting, if nothing else:
>
> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D1NQ563p_ozI&feature=3Dmy_favorites&li=
st=3D...
>
> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dwz8nCh-obEs&feature=3Drelated
>
> > I've seen something like that (on TV?) that was being shown as a way to
> > do blind fastening of stair rails/balusters/posts. That must have been
> > about the time period you mention.
>
> Didn't bother to mention that Lamello's concept for woodwork was
> introduced in 2001 because I totally forgot for a second that the most
> important point of interest to the average woodworker on the wRec these
> days was who saw it first.
>
> After all, gotta have something to proud of when it come to woodworking, =
eh?
>
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> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
ROTFLMAO
There's been something like that on the market for a while. I don't know
if it was Lamello, but I did see something like that 5 or 6 years ago.
On 4/16/2012 12:44 PM, Swingman wrote:
> Interesting, if nothing else:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NQ563p_ozI&feature=my_favorites&list=FLGRqzwROXKuwmgZWgy5Ufqg
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz8nCh-obEs&feature=related
>
On 4/16/2012 11:44 AM, Swingman wrote:
> Interesting, if nothing else:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NQ563p_ozI&feature=my_favorites&list=FLGRqzwROXKuwmgZWgy5Ufqg
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz8nCh-obEs&feature=related
>
And also cool...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjTq1ZKLmq0&feature=related
On 4/16/2012 11:44 AM, Swingman wrote:
> Interesting, if nothing else:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NQ563p_ozI&feature=my_favorites&list=FLGRqzwROXKuwmgZWgy5Ufqg
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz8nCh-obEs&feature=related
>
Pretty cool and obviousely intended for the assembly to be disassembled.
Weeks or months later I wonder how one would remember where each
connector is at. I wonder if the magnet detects the embedded piece much
like a magnetic stud sensor.
On 4/16/2012 1:27 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
> There's been something like that on the market for a while. I don't know if
> it was Lamello, but I did see something like that 5 or 6 years ago.
>
> On 4/16/2012 12:44 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> Interesting, if nothing else:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NQ563p_ozI&feature=my_favorites&list=FLGRqzwROXKuwmgZWgy5Ufqg
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz8nCh-obEs&feature=related
>>
I've seen something like that (on TV?) that was being shown as a way to do
blind fastening of stair rails/balusters/posts. That must have been about
the time period you mention.
On 4/17/2012 7:12 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 4/17/2012 7:06 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 4/16/2012 8:50 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>> On 4/16/2012 1:20 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 4/16/2012 11:44 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>>>> Interesting, if nothing else:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NQ563p_ozI&feature=my_favorites&list=FLGRqzwROXKuwmgZWgy5Ufqg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz8nCh-obEs&feature=related
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pretty cool and obviousely intended for the assembly to be
>>>> disassembled.
>>>>
>>>> Weeks or months later I wonder how one would remember where each
>>>> connector is at. I wonder if the magnet detects the embedded piece much
>>>> like a magnetic stud sensor.
>>>
>>> I can only think of one use for my possible purposes at the moment ... a
>>> hidden recess in a wall panel for valuables, or your stash.
>>
>> You mean like you Festools? ;~)
>>
>>>
>>> As far as the magnet, don't leave home without it. ;)
>>>
>>
>> It would be my luck the thing/outside tool would break. LOL
>
> Simple, buy a Makita track saw and use it as a spare key.
>
LOL....yeah that would not be a waste... Don't fo get the Makita shop
vac! :~)
On 4/17/2012 7:06 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/16/2012 8:50 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 4/16/2012 1:20 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 4/16/2012 11:44 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>>> Interesting, if nothing else:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NQ563p_ozI&feature=my_favorites&list=FLGRqzwROXKuwmgZWgy5Ufqg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz8nCh-obEs&feature=related
>>>>
>>>
>>> Pretty cool and obviousely intended for the assembly to be disassembled.
>>>
>>> Weeks or months later I wonder how one would remember where each
>>> connector is at. I wonder if the magnet detects the embedded piece much
>>> like a magnetic stud sensor.
>>
>> I can only think of one use for my possible purposes at the moment ... a
>> hidden recess in a wall panel for valuables, or your stash.
>
> You mean like you Festools? ;~)
>
>>
>> As far as the magnet, don't leave home without it. ;)
>>
>
> It would be my luck the thing/outside tool would break. LOL
Simple, buy a Makita track saw and use it as a spare key.
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On 4/16/2012 6:16 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 4/16/2012 5:53 PM, John McGaw wrote:
>> On 4/16/2012 1:27 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>>> There's been something like that on the market for a while. I don't
>>> know if
>>> it was Lamello, but I did see something like that 5 or 6 years ago.
>>>
>>> On 4/16/2012 12:44 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>>> Interesting, if nothing else:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NQ563p_ozI&feature=my_favorites&list=FLGRqzwROXKuwmgZWgy5Ufqg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz8nCh-obEs&feature=related
>>>>
>>
>> I've seen something like that (on TV?) that was being shown as a way to
>> do blind fastening of stair rails/balusters/posts. That must have been
>> about the time period you mention.
>
> Didn't bother to mention that Lamello's concept for woodwork was
> introduced in 2001 because I totally forgot for a second that the most
> important point of interest to the average woodworker on the wRec these
> days was who saw it first.
>
> After all, gotta have something to proud of when it come to woodworking,
> eh?
>
ROTFL
Steve Turner <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 4/16/2012 1:20 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 4/16/2012 11:44 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>> Interesting, if nothing else:
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NQ563p_ozI&feature=my_favorites&list=
>>> FLGRqzwROXKuwmgZWgy5Ufqg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz8nCh-obEs&feature=related
>>>
>>
>> And also cool...
>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjTq1ZKLmq0&feature=related
>
> I can't understand a word that guy's saying.
I know why you can't understand - the guy doesn't speak Dutch.
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On 4/16/2012 8:55 PM, JayPique wrote:
> I recently used these on a job in Manhattan. The client wanted some BIG cabinets/bookshelves that wouldn't fit into the old elevators and were to big to even carry up the stairs fully assembled. So we shipped them mostly flat and used the INVIS thingies to assemble them. Pretty slick, but pretty fussy.
That's cool, having first hand experience. How about stability, and did
you get a sense of longevity? IOW, do you think they will last?
I've had a couple of small jobs where clients have wanted something that
would have benefited from the technology.
Do your recall approximately what it added to the cost?
Thanks
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On 4/16/2012 1:20 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/16/2012 11:44 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> Interesting, if nothing else:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NQ563p_ozI&feature=my_favorites&list=FLGRqzwROXKuwmgZWgy5Ufqg
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz8nCh-obEs&feature=related
>>
>
> Pretty cool and obviousely intended for the assembly to be disassembled.
>
> Weeks or months later I wonder how one would remember where each
> connector is at. I wonder if the magnet detects the embedded piece much
> like a magnetic stud sensor.
I can only think of one use for my possible purposes at the moment ... a
hidden recess in a wall panel for valuables, or your stash.
As far as the magnet, don't leave home without it. ;)
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On 4/16/2012 5:53 PM, John McGaw wrote:
> On 4/16/2012 1:27 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>> There's been something like that on the market for a while. I don't
>> know if
>> it was Lamello, but I did see something like that 5 or 6 years ago.
>>
>> On 4/16/2012 12:44 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>> Interesting, if nothing else:
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NQ563p_ozI&feature=my_favorites&list=FLGRqzwROXKuwmgZWgy5Ufqg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz8nCh-obEs&feature=related
>>>
>
> I've seen something like that (on TV?) that was being shown as a way to
> do blind fastening of stair rails/balusters/posts. That must have been
> about the time period you mention.
Didn't bother to mention that Lamello's concept for woodwork was
introduced in 2001 because I totally forgot for a second that the most
important point of interest to the average woodworker on the wRec these
days was who saw it first.
After all, gotta have something to proud of when it come to woodworking, eh?
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On 4/16/2012 1:20 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/16/2012 11:44 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> Interesting, if nothing else:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NQ563p_ozI&feature=my_favorites&list=FLGRqzwROXKuwmgZWgy5Ufqg
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz8nCh-obEs&feature=related
>>
>
> And also cool...
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjTq1ZKLmq0&feature=related
I can't understand a word that guy's saying.
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On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:22:53 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 4/17/2012 7:12 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 4/17/2012 7:06 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 4/16/2012 8:50 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>>> On 4/16/2012 1:20 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>>> On 4/16/2012 11:44 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>>>>> Interesting, if nothing else:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NQ563p_ozI&feature=my_favorites&list=FLGRqzwROXKuwmgZWgy5Ufqg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz8nCh-obEs&feature=related
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Pretty cool and obviousely intended for the assembly to be
>>>>> disassembled.
>>>>>
>>>>> Weeks or months later I wonder how one would remember where each
>>>>> connector is at. I wonder if the magnet detects the embedded piece much
>>>>> like a magnetic stud sensor.
>>>>
>>>> I can only think of one use for my possible purposes at the moment ... a
>>>> hidden recess in a wall panel for valuables, or your stash.
>>>
>>> You mean like you Festools? ;~)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> As far as the magnet, don't leave home without it. ;)
>>>>
>>>
>>> It would be my luck the thing/outside tool would break. LOL
>>
>> Simple, buy a Makita track saw and use it as a spare key.
Heh heh heh. A 3# drilling hammah is much cheaper and can be used as
a key for many more things.
I got the replacement track yesterday and it's much less bent than the
first one. (actually nice and flat this time)
>LOL....yeah that would not be a waste... Don't fo get the Makita shop
>vac! :~)
Why? I have one of the little ShopVac 5 gallon models with a nice
cleanstream filter on it. Total cost about $55, and only about twice
as loud as a CT 26. Now to see if it fits the Makita plunge saur dust
port...newp. ShopVac 1.25od, Makita port 1.375id/1.5od. The large
end is 2.3". Time for 2 adapters. One for the ShopVac (site work)
and one for the 4" DC. Both will fit nicely inside the Maktainer
which came with the saur. <bseg>
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On 4/17/2012 7:26 AM, Han wrote:
> Steve Turner<[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 4/16/2012 1:20 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 4/16/2012 11:44 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>>> Interesting, if nothing else:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NQ563p_ozI&feature=my_favorites&list=
>>>> FLGRqzwROXKuwmgZWgy5Ufqg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz8nCh-obEs&feature=related
>>>>
>>>
>>> And also cool...
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjTq1ZKLmq0&feature=related
>>
>> I can't understand a word that guy's saying.
>
> I know why you can't understand - the guy doesn't speak Dutch.
>
Your mean Spanish. LOL
On 4/17/2012 7:12 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 4/17/2012 7:06 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 4/16/2012 8:50 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>> On 4/16/2012 1:20 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 4/16/2012 11:44 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>>>> Interesting, if nothing else:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NQ563p_ozI&feature=my_favorites&list=FLGRqzwROXKuwmgZWgy5Ufqg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz8nCh-obEs&feature=related
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pretty cool and obviousely intended for the assembly to be
>>>> disassembled.
>>>>
>>>> Weeks or months later I wonder how one would remember where each
>>>> connector is at. I wonder if the magnet detects the embedded piece much
>>>> like a magnetic stud sensor.
>>>
>>> I can only think of one use for my possible purposes at the moment ... a
>>> hidden recess in a wall panel for valuables, or your stash.
>>
>> You mean like you Festools? ;~)
>>
>>>
>>> As far as the magnet, don't leave home without it. ;)
>>>
>>
>> It would be my luck the thing/outside tool would break. LOL
>
> Simple, buy a Makita track saw and use it as a spare key.
>
What's up with all you secret e-mail testing?
On 4/16/2012 8:50 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 4/16/2012 1:20 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 4/16/2012 11:44 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>> Interesting, if nothing else:
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NQ563p_ozI&feature=my_favorites&list=FLGRqzwROXKuwmgZWgy5Ufqg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz8nCh-obEs&feature=related
>>>
>>
>> Pretty cool and obviousely intended for the assembly to be disassembled.
>>
>> Weeks or months later I wonder how one would remember where each
>> connector is at. I wonder if the magnet detects the embedded piece much
>> like a magnetic stud sensor.
>
> I can only think of one use for my possible purposes at the moment ... a
> hidden recess in a wall panel for valuables, or your stash.
You mean like you Festools? ;~)
>
> As far as the magnet, don't leave home without it. ;)
>
It would be my luck the thing/outside tool would break. LOL
On 4/16/2012 8:30 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
> On 4/16/2012 1:20 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 4/16/2012 11:44 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>> Interesting, if nothing else:
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NQ563p_ozI&feature=my_favorites&list=FLGRqzwROXKuwmgZWgy5Ufqg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz8nCh-obEs&feature=related
>>>
>>
>> And also cool...
>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjTq1ZKLmq0&feature=related
>
> I can't understand a word that guy's saying.
>
And I thought it was just me.. ;~)
On 4/17/2012 7:42 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/17/2012 7:12 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 4/17/2012 7:06 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 4/16/2012 8:50 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>>> On 4/16/2012 1:20 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>>> On 4/16/2012 11:44 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>>>>> Interesting, if nothing else:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NQ563p_ozI&feature=my_favorites&list=FLGRqzwROXKuwmgZWgy5Ufqg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz8nCh-obEs&feature=related
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Pretty cool and obviousely intended for the assembly to be
>>>>> disassembled.
>>>>>
>>>>> Weeks or months later I wonder how one would remember where each
>>>>> connector is at. I wonder if the magnet detects the embedded piece
>>>>> much
>>>>> like a magnetic stud sensor.
>>>>
>>>> I can only think of one use for my possible purposes at the moment
>>>> ... a
>>>> hidden recess in a wall panel for valuables, or your stash.
>>>
>>> You mean like you Festools? ;~)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> As far as the magnet, don't leave home without it. ;)
>>>>
>>>
>>> It would be my luck the thing/outside tool would break. LOL
>>
>> Simple, buy a Makita track saw and use it as a spare key.
>>
> What's up with all you secret e-mail testing?
You tell me. Are you seeing nothing in them? Your replies have nothing
in them.
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