patrick conroy wrote:
> "Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote in
message
> news:140120051042389138%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca...
> >
> >
> > In case anyone is feeling chilly, you should know that with
windchill
> > we're currently at -53C (-63.4F).
>
> That's the coldest I've personally been in too. About -60F windchill.
> All I recall was (a) it was physically painful regardless of the
winter gear
> I wore and (b) my then nearly new 1980 Toyota Corolla actually
started.
Before I moved to MN, I was in Northern B.C. & we used to work up near
the Territories in the winter. It was -78 one night when we got into a
pipeline camp & it never went above -45 for the next three weeks. Of
course then I moved south to the warmer climates cuz I was through with
that winter crap. Into Minot as well for a winter. Yikes!.. Not
quite as cold but the wind never stops blowing. Then into MN where
there are a few more trees to break the wind, plus an actual hill or
two. The last three weeks were cold as hell in MN too. Back to work
now in Angola at a balmy 90 degrees. Woohoo!!! Sure is a hell of a
shocker getting back off the plane in Fargo on the way home though.
About a 110 degree difference. That'll keep the goolies tucked up for
a while.
P.
In article <[email protected]>, Duane Bozarth
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Ah, weenie! What's the <real> temp--don't give us none of that
> whinechill factor!!!! :)
When I posted, it was -39C (-38.2F).
> Coldest I've ever seen here is in the neighborhood of -40F. A normal
> winter will have a day or so of the 0 to -10F range.
Normal here (in the F scale) is a high of 8F and a low of -10. But
todays temps are nowhere near record breakers.
Still, I spilled my coffee on the way to start the car and it froze so
fast the ice was still hot...
At 1 pm, it's warmed up to -32C (-46C with wind).
But (wait for it...) it's a *dry* cold.
;-)
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"The thing about saying the wrong words is that A, I don't notice it, and B,
sometimes orange water gibbon bucket and plastic." -- Mr. Burrows
Fri, Jan 14, 2005, 12:57pm (EST-1) dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca
(Dave=A0Balderstone) spreads:
<snip> But (wait for it...) it's a *dry* cold.
Picture it. Nam. Winter. From the coast to Pleiku. Had to sleep
with two doubled blankets, and clothes on, because of the fierce cole.
Probably got down to 70 degrees at night. Damn that was cold. LMAO
Of course, it was cold on the coast too. Felt cooler than usual
one day, so checked the thermometer on the mess hall. Down to 120, in
the shade. That's the only time I checked.
True story.
JOAT
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Happiness is wanting what you get.
- =A0Dale Carnegie
"J T" wrote in message
> Picture it. Nam. Winter. From the coast to Pleiku. Had to sleep
> with two doubled blankets, and clothes on, because of the fierce cole.
> Probably got down to 70 degrees at night. Damn that was cold. LMAO
"Blankets", blankets ? ... where the hell did you find "blankets"? Next
you're going to be telling us you actually had sheets, and a mattress, to go
with them blankets! But you're right ... it got awfully damn cold at 3AM,
in the rainy season in the Central Highlands, with wet muddy clothes on, and
wishing like hell you had a blanket. :)
> Of course, it was cold on the coast too. Felt cooler than usual
>one day, so checked the thermometer on the mess hall. Down to 120, in
>the shade. That's the only time I checked.
> True story.
And OTOH, that was, indeed, the most energy sapping heat I've ever
experienced in my life, then add in the terrain. We often walked the whole
damn day and only made a klick on the ground.
Houston today: sunny, 67 degrees, absolutely delightful weather.
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In article <[email protected]>, George <george@least>
wrote:
> Spent a couple nights in a
> snow/parachute burrow and a mummy bag near Fairbanks many years ago when it
> was cold and calm. Then they sent me to Minot....
Ouch! That's just *mean*...
--
"The thing about saying the wrong words is that A, I don't notice it, and B,
sometimes orange water gibbon bucket and plastic." -- Mr. Burrows
In article <[email protected]>, George <george@least> wrote:
> It's what happens when you list "Midwest" under "area of preference" on your
> USAF assignment dreamsheet
ROFL! Serves you right, then.
--
"The thing about saying the wrong words is that A, I don't notice it, and B,
sometimes orange water gibbon bucket and plastic." -- Mr. Burrows
John wrote:
>
> Already this year, in central Arkansas, we have had highs in 70's, lows
> in short 20's.
Similar highs, lows in 0 F range (SW KS). It was 73 F week ago
yesterday(? I think). 2 F this AM, 12 w/ couple inches of "no
accumulation" at present...although it's not going to do much more than
keep spitting, it has gotten the ground pretty well covered again
whereas it wasn't going to even be enough to see according to all
forecasts...
In article <[email protected]>, Leon
<[email protected]> wrote:
> It's pretty cold here too... 60 F with no silly wind chill factor. :~)
I recall a number of years ago determining that there was a 127 degree
farenheit difference between me here and our tech support person in
Melbourne, Florida.
--
"The thing about saying the wrong words is that A, I don't notice it, and B,
sometimes orange water gibbon bucket and plastic." -- Mr. Burrows
Jack wrote:
> "Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote in message
> news:140120051042389138%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca...
>
>>In case anyone is feeling chilly, you should know that with windchill
>>we're currently at -53C (-63.4F).
>>
>>Brrr.
>>
>>djb
>
> yesterday it got down to 72F... windchill was 72F, amazing how that works
> here in Honolulu.
> I do like to hear about the change of seasons thought, strengthens my
> resolve to live here or in the deep south.
> Jack
>
>
>
Careful, I was there one winter when it got down to about 54° at
the airport. Cold enough that my fingers were cramped up after
riding my bike the couple of miles to work
Joe
Unisaw A100 wrote:
> After the gavel fell I asked him what it was he was bidding
> on and he retrieved a single (as in one) file from the
> bucket. I split the bid ($13.00 US) with him and went home
> with the disk finisher.
>
> Ain't life grand?
Nice driveby. You suck.
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Dave Balderstone wrote:
>
> In case anyone is feeling chilly, you should know that with windchill
> we're currently at -53C (-63.4F).
>
Ah, weenie! What's the <real> temp--don't give us none of that
whinechill factor!!!! :)
I saw -56F at (I think, no place names on the map) Whitehorse on our 10
PM news last night--that's cold! We were promised 0F last night, but the
front has (at least temporarily) stalled out just to the northeast of
us--it's about that 30 mi NE, but still about 20F and spittin' snow
here...not that I'm complaining. The cattle are certainly thinking it's
cold enough, watching them huddle.
Coldest I've ever seen here is in the neighborhood of -40F. A normal
winter will have a day or so of the 0 to -10F range.
Luigi Zanasi wrote:
...
Actually this was me, not Dave, but who's counting...
> > Coldest I've ever seen here is in the neighborhood of -40F. A normal
> > winter will have a day or so of the 0 to -10F range.
>
> Weenie! ;-)
Yeah, and I'm not moving farther north or higher up, either!!! :)
That's cold enough to remind me what winter's like -- at least we now
have tank heaters that don't blow out <every> night so don't have to
chop ice from the stock tanks absolutely every morning and evening.
That and hauling water was a full-time job years ago... :(
Dave Balderstone wrote:
...
> Still, I spilled my coffee on the way to start the car and it froze so
> fast the ice was still hot...
:) I like it!!! <VBG>
Records here average about -15F or so w/ the occasional -25F
neighborhood. Of course, record-keeping here dates back only a little
over 100 years, so it's nothing particularly unusual to set new ones,
both highs and lows.
"Normals" are mid-to-upper 30s for highs w/ lows in low-to-mid 20s
although this is an area of such variability there really isn't an
"average"...
George wrote:
...
> I don't call it whinechill, though. Spent a couple nights in a
> snow/parachute burrow and a mummy bag near Fairbanks many years ago when it
> was cold and calm. Then they sent me to Minot....
Oh, wind isn't nice, I'll grant. Just used it as a joke. Am on the
high plains directly south of Minot where the wind blows even more
consistently than there, so know its effects painfully well....spent
several years servicing coal analyzers and had several in the Weyburn,
SK, area just over the border from Minot so know that area pretty
well...
"Duane Bozarth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dave Balderstone wrote:
> >
> > In case anyone is feeling chilly, you should know that with windchill
> > we're currently at -53C (-63.4F).
> >
>
> Ah, weenie! What's the <real> temp--don't give us none of that
> whinechill factor!!!! :)
>
>
> Coldest I've ever seen here is in the neighborhood of -40F. A normal
> winter will have a day or so of the 0 to -10F range.
Of course, -40 is -40 regardless.
I don't call it whinechill, though. Spent a couple nights in a
snow/parachute burrow and a mummy bag near Fairbanks many years ago when it
was cold and calm. Then they sent me to Minot....
"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:140120051508084907%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca...
> In article <[email protected]>, George <george@least>
> wrote:
>
> > Spent a couple nights in a
> > snow/parachute burrow and a mummy bag near Fairbanks many years ago when
it
> > was cold and calm. Then they sent me to Minot....
>
> Ouch! That's just *mean*...
>
> --
It's what happens when you list "Midwest" under "area of preference" on your
USAF assignment dreamsheet.
"Unisaw A100" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I learned this lesson somewhere along the way. Me and this
> other guy were bidding on a combined lot consisting of a
> bucket of files and a Delta 12" Disk Finisher (disc sander
> David). It dawned on me as I racheted up the bid to $25
> that he may not be wanting what I wanted so I dropped out.
> After the gavel fell I asked him what it was he was bidding
> on and he retrieved a single (as in one) file from the
> bucket. I split the bid ($13.00 US) with him and went home
> with the disk finisher.
>
Watch those bucket or bag items. I previewed one of many bags of books at
an auction, placing the 1st edition Harriet Beecher Stowe on the bottom, and
was astonished to find someone else bidding above the usual two-three bucks
a bag. I did another quarter, though, and picked up a book that helped us
make the down payment on our first house for $5.75.
I'd have given him the rest of the books, gratis.
"Unisaw A100" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> After the gavel fell I asked him what it was he was bidding
> on and he retrieved a single (as in one) file from the
> bucket. I split the bid ($13.00 US) with him and went home
> with the disk finisher.
Too bad you didn't talk to him earlier. Maybe the two of you could have
split the purchase for a cheaper price. $13 each isn't too bad as it is
though.
"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:140120051042389138%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca...
>
>
> In case anyone is feeling chilly, you should know that with windchill
> we're currently at -53C (-63.4F).
That's the coldest I've personally been in too. About -60F windchill.
All I recall was (a) it was physically painful regardless of the winter gear
I wore and (b) my then nearly new 1980 Toyota Corolla actually started.
Fri, Jan 14, 2005, 6:49pm (EST+5) [email protected]
(patrick=A0conroy) says:
That's the coldest I've personally been in too. About -60F windchill.
I'm not sure what the coldest winchill I've been in. My mother
always used to say, "Oh, there's no such thing as windchill, it's no
colder with the wind blowing". This, of course, from a person who
wasn't out in the wind. I do know I have been in weather at 20 degrees,
without factoring in the wind chill. And, now, every time I get a snow
report from her, she's always putting in windchill.
I will say, I grew up in Michigan, and the winters were usually,
cold, and windy, with a way minus zero temp factor.
But, the worst winters I've spent were in northern Virginia. At
temps of around freezing, or slightly below, and a not real fierce wind,
the wind seemed to go thru anything I wore. Supposedly the extra
mosture in the air. But, Michigan is about surrounded by the Great
Lakes, so I figure just as much moisture in the air. I would have
rather spent a winter in Michigan then northern Virginia any time. Any
more, I'd rather not spend a winter in either.
Temps today in central North Carolina are supposed to be a high of
49. Had a bit of snow earlier this morning, turned to rain now. I'll
take it here any time.
JOAT
Success is getting what you want.
Happiness is wanting what you get.
- =A0Dale Carnegie
mac davis wrote:
> If done (imho) correctly, everyone wins, especially the government...
> Baja depends on tourists and folks retiring there for the big bucks..
>
> Now, if I can talk my neighbor, who's a stucco contractor, to buy a
> lot near ours... *g*
I've heard horror stories about people sinking muchos dólares into
properties in Baja, and then having the Mexican gobierno decide to
repossess the properties. Have all those problems been resolved yet?
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J T wrote:
...
> Temps today in central North Carolina are supposed to be a high of
> 49. Had a bit of snow earlier this morning, turned to rain now. I'll
> take it here any time.
You can have summers...nowhere worse except for, perhaps, Houston, et
al.
Spent a couple summers in Raleigh and 30 or thereabouts in Piedmont, VA
area and TN valley...80s/90s w/ the stinkin' humdididy is as close to
Dante's vision as I've come. I'll take the 90s/100s here w/o any day
and stand winter to not have that for summer. (I'll grant long TN falls
could be grand, however...)
Paul in MN wrote:
> 'I hear you talking. I had to drive home in that blizzard yesterday from
> Minneapolis. Took 4 1/2hours for a 3 hour trip. And that was with SWMBO
> doing the white knuckle dashboard grab/tantric breathing thing all the way.
> The wind off the lake has a 5 foot drift up against the patio doors which is
> probably a good thing for insulating factor. The furnace actually shut off
> for a minute and a half last night. Brrrrrr.... Ah well, back to the dark
> continent Monday for more fun in the sun...
>
> P.
The same storm is just now moving into the Buffalo, NY area. Depending on which
weather forecast I listen to we'll get a "general" snowfall of somewhere between
4" - 14" by tonight. The snow is supposed to continue into tomorrow. They say
there may be lake effect snows setting up that could add to the local amounts.
Winds of 30 MPH are expected causing "white outs".
The good news is that the actual temperature is up to 3 degrees F (-16C) and
it's Saturday and so far I don't have to work. I work outdoors.
--
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Buffalo, NY - USA
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:23:22 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"mac davis" wrote in message
>
>> hmm... wonder if they call him Normando down there? *g*
>
>You'll probably do OK. Hell, in this day and age, and with property taxes
>the way they are, you basically just rent your home from the government and
>can live in it _only_ as long as you pay the taxing authorities ... doesn't
>seem to be much difference from Mexico.
>
>Sounds like a good plan ... hope it works out for you. I've always been
>intrigued with Baja California since reading Steinbeck's "The Log From The
>Sea Of Cortez" back in High School.
You have to experience it to believe it... The Sea of Cortez is
incredible.. and I'm NOT the beach person in the family...
Life is slow, contractors are even slower, but you just slow down and
live at their speed... lots of nice distractions around to make you
willing to wait..
My friends are going back down at the end of the month and he's taking
a sampling of my stuff with him.. turnings, boxes, little stuff like
toys, etc... he thinks that the gringos will pay pretty well for
them...
I'm not planning to have the shop down there for commercial reasons,
but if someone likes something that I've made, it works for me.. *g*
mac
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"mac davis" wrote in message
> You have to experience it to believe it... The Sea of Cortez is
> incredible.. and I'm NOT the beach person in the family...
I would love to ... when's the "open house"? ;>)
> I'm not planning to have the shop down there for commercial reasons,
> but if someone likes something that I've made, it works for me.. *g*
Like I said, I wish you the best. I want to get out of this urban cesspool
and into a situation like that so bad I can taste it.
BTW, in case you haven't noticed ... you indeed suck! ;)
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"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> The same storm is just now moving into the Buffalo, NY area. Depending on
which
> weather forecast I listen to we'll get a "general" snowfall of somewhere
between
> 4" - 14" by tonight. The snow is supposed to continue into tomorrow.
They say
> there may be lake effect snows setting up that could add to the local
amounts.
> Winds of 30 MPH are expected causing "white outs".
>
> The good news is that the actual temperature is up to 3 degrees F (-16C)
and
> it's Saturday and so far I don't have to work. I work outdoors.
>
Just took last night's off my drive. No plow yet, so I'll have to get the
windrow later after it passes. Sat down for tea and a look at the radar
and see the lake effect bands coming 'round to fill me in again this
afternoon.
At least at 3 degrees you won't have the heavy stuff. One advantage of
Superior lake effect over Erie, more, but lighter.
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:00:09 -0800, mac davis
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:23:22 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"mac davis" wrote in message
>>
>>> hmm... wonder if they call him Normando down there? *g*
>>
>>You'll probably do OK. Hell, in this day and age, and with property taxes
>>the way they are, you basically just rent your home from the government and
>>can live in it _only_ as long as you pay the taxing authorities ... doesn't
>>seem to be much difference from Mexico.
>>
>>Sounds like a good plan ... hope it works out for you. I've always been
>>intrigued with Baja California since reading Steinbeck's "The Log From The
>>Sea Of Cortez" back in High School.
>
>You have to experience it to believe it... The Sea of Cortez is
>incredible.. and I'm NOT the beach person in the family...
>
>Life is slow, contractors are even slower, but you just slow down and
>live at their speed... lots of nice distractions around to make you
>willing to wait..
Yep.
First rule of successfully living in a foreign country: Their game,
their ball, their rules. Do things the way the locals do them and
you'll be a _whole_ lot happier and more popular to boot.
(Second rule: Don't burn your bridges. It takes a special type of
person to live successfully in a foreign culture long-term. Not
everyone can do it, even in paradise, and you want to leave yourself
an 'out' in case you want to move back to the States.)
--RC
"Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells
'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets
fly with a club.
-- John W. Cambell Jr.
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:45:05 GMT, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> mac davis writes:
>
>>ok.. mini gloat time:
>>I just got back from a week in Baja California....
>>Average was 78 during the day, 55 at night on the beach... (that's
>>above zero, for those in the frozen tundra)
>
>As long as you're in Mexico, why not go to Cabo and be warm?
>
>55F sucks.
>
>Matter of fact, anything below 70F is unfit for human habitation IMHO.
>
>BTW, hope you had fun, even if it was 55F at night.
>
>Lew
>
>
Baja seems to be the place to invest right now... we bought 2 lots and
will (I hope) start building the 1st house, a rental, this year...
It just feels right... living in a gringo community and probably being
one of the few in the area that has a woodworking shop... and having a
view of the Sea of Cortez from the shop.. *sigh*
mac
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:40:37 -0800, mac davis
<[email protected]> wrote:
>ok.. mini gloat time:
>I just got back from a week in Baja California....
>Average was 78 during the day, 55 at night on the beach... (that's
>above zero, for those in the frozen tundra)
>We're bitchin about it being 56 today at home and expecting about 50
>tonight.. brrrr...
>
>2 more years and we'll be heading south for
>good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you suck.
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:31:34 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
<snip>
>>Life is slow, contractors are even slower, but you just slow down and
>>live at their speed... lots of nice distractions around to make you
>>willing to wait..
>
>Yep.
>
>First rule of successfully living in a foreign country: Their game,
>their ball, their rules. Do things the way the locals do them and
>you'll be a _whole_ lot happier and more popular to boot.
>
>(Second rule: Don't burn your bridges. It takes a special type of
>person to live successfully in a foreign culture long-term. Not
>everyone can do it, even in paradise, and you want to leave yourself
>an 'out' in case you want to move back to the States.)
>
>--RC
>
Two very good points...
IMHO, playing their game also includes learning at least enough of the
local language to get by on... hate to be the "ugly American" down
there...
It bothers me that so many folks in California don't speak english, so
I have to speak Spanish when we live there...
Not burning bridges, for sure...
If things work out 60% right, (plan E, F, or G), we'll have both lots
paid for in 2 months, then start building the first house... that will
take at least a year, they don't hurry down there...
Again, if things go somewhat as planned, we'll have 1 house finished
and in rental service, that's free and clear.. conservative rental
gross after the (ouch) 35% commission is about $10k US a year..
When the house is ready and my wife decides to retire, we'll move into
the house and start building the real house, on the second lot.. (1/3
acre corner with no neighbors)
My tools are all paid for, I can do my web work as well in Baja as in
CA., and I'll be getting SS in 4 years... (my wife still has like 16
years till SS) It just seems like a win-win deal, so far..
The main reason that we bought 2 lots is that if we decide that Baja
isn't for us, we should have enough of a return from selling the 2
houses or keeping them rented, to move back north..
Our ace in the hole will be to still have our home here in Clovis,
rented out and with a lot of equity...
I'm too old to start all over, so I'm only betting what I can afford
to lose... I've always figured that if you only invest what you can
afford to lose, anything but failure is a positive thing.. *g*
mac
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:26:08 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"mac davis" wrote in message
>
>> You have to experience it to believe it... The Sea of Cortez is
>> incredible.. and I'm NOT the beach person in the family...
>
>I would love to ... when's the "open house"? ;>)
>
hmm... not for at least 2 years, unless you want to pay $120 a night
for a rental house or $50 a night at the RV park...
As soon as the 1st house is done, come on down!!
(hope ya like Corona)
>> I'm not planning to have the shop down there for commercial reasons,
>> but if someone likes something that I've made, it works for me.. *g*
>
>Like I said, I wish you the best. I want to get out of this urban cesspool
>and into a situation like that so bad I can taste it.
>
>BTW, in case you haven't noticed ... you indeed suck! ;)
thanks... I think..lol
mac
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'snip'
> Bah, you all are sissies! :) I just spent three days moving (last
> weekend) when it was -25f (actual temperature, not windchill) and now
> we're forecast to get 14" of snow. Windchill in Wisconsin gets to
> -80f fairly routinely in Jan and Feb, and people are still out and
> about (though I'll admit there's a fair amount of complaining going
> on, especially at work, where the only heat is provided by welders and
> plasma cutters)
>
I hear you talking. I had to drive home in that blizzard yesterday from
Minneapolis. Took 4 1/2hours for a 3 hour trip. And that was with SWMBO
doing the white knuckle dashboard grab/tantric breathing thing all the way.
The wind off the lake has a 5 foot drift up against the patio doors which is
probably a good thing for insulating factor. The furnace actually shut off
for a minute and a half last night. Brrrrrr.... Ah well, back to the dark
continent Monday for more fun in the sun...
P.
mac davis writes:
>ok.. mini gloat time:
>I just got back from a week in Baja California....
>Average was 78 during the day, 55 at night on the beach... (that's
>above zero, for those in the frozen tundra)
As long as you're in Mexico, why not go to Cabo and be warm?
55F sucks.
Matter of fact, anything below 70F is unfit for human habitation IMHO.
BTW, hope you had fun, even if it was 55F at night.
Lew
mac davis wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:45:05 GMT, "Lew Hodgett"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>mac davis writes:
>>
>>
>>>ok.. mini gloat time:
>>>I just got back from a week in Baja California....
>>>Average was 78 during the day, 55 at night on the beach... (that's
>>>above zero, for those in the frozen tundra)
>>
>>As long as you're in Mexico, why not go to Cabo and be warm?
>>
>>55F sucks.
>>
>>Matter of fact, anything below 70F is unfit for human habitation IMHO.
>>
>>BTW, hope you had fun, even if it was 55F at night.
>>
>>Lew
>>
>>
>
> Baja seems to be the place to invest right now... we bought 2 lots and
> will (I hope) start building the 1st house, a rental, this year...
>
> It just feels right... living in a gringo community and probably being
> one of the few in the area that has a woodworking shop... and having a
> view of the Sea of Cortez from the shop.. *sigh*
>
>
Is it now possible for "gringos" to own the property there?
j4
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> mac davis wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:45:05 GMT, "Lew Hodgett"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>mac davis writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>ok.. mini gloat time:
>>>>I just got back from a week in Baja California....
>>>>Average was 78 during the day, 55 at night on the beach... (that's
>>>>above zero, for those in the frozen tundra)
>>>
>>>As long as you're in Mexico, why not go to Cabo and be warm?
>>>
>>>55F sucks.
>>>
>>>Matter of fact, anything below 70F is unfit for human habitation IMHO.
>>>
>>>BTW, hope you had fun, even if it was 55F at night.
>>>
>>>Lew
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Baja seems to be the place to invest right now... we bought 2 lots and
>> will (I hope) start building the 1st house, a rental, this year...
>>
>> It just feels right... living in a gringo community and probably being
>> one of the few in the area that has a woodworking shop... and having a
>> view of the Sea of Cortez from the shop.. *sigh*
>>
>>
> Is it now possible for "gringos" to own the property there?
> j4
yes. through a land trust.
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:58:12 -0500, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:
>Fri, Jan 14, 2005, 6:49pm (EST+5) [email protected]
>(patrick conroy) says:
>That's the coldest I've personally been in too. About -60F windchill.
>
> I'm not sure what the coldest winchill I've been in. My mother
>always used to say, "Oh, there's no such thing as windchill, it's no
>colder with the wind blowing". This, of course, from a person who
>wasn't out in the wind. I do know I have been in weather at 20 degrees,
>without factoring in the wind chill. And, now, every time I get a snow
>report from her, she's always putting in windchill.
>
> I will say, I grew up in Michigan, and the winters were usually,
>cold, and windy, with a way minus zero temp factor.
>
> But, the worst winters I've spent were in northern Virginia. At
>temps of around freezing, or slightly below, and a not real fierce wind,
>the wind seemed to go thru anything I wore. Supposedly the extra
>mosture in the air. But, Michigan is about surrounded by the Great
>Lakes, so I figure just as much moisture in the air. I would have
>rather spent a winter in Michigan then northern Virginia any time. Any
>more, I'd rather not spend a winter in either.
>
> Temps today in central North Carolina are supposed to be a high of
>49. Had a bit of snow earlier this morning, turned to rain now. I'll
>take it here any time.
Bah, you all are sissies! :) I just spent three days moving (last
weekend) when it was -25f (actual temperature, not windchill) and now
we're forecast to get 14" of snow. Windchill in Wisconsin gets to
-80f fairly routinely in Jan and Feb, and people are still out and
about (though I'll admit there's a fair amount of complaining going
on, especially at work, where the only heat is provided by welders and
plasma cutters)
>
>JOAT
>Success is getting what you want.
>Happiness is wanting what you get.
>- Â Dale Carnegie
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:34:03 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>mac davis wrote:
>
>> If done (imho) correctly, everyone wins, especially the government...
>> Baja depends on tourists and folks retiring there for the big bucks..
>>
>> Now, if I can talk my neighbor, who's a stucco contractor, to buy a
>> lot near ours... *g*
>
>I've heard horror stories about people sinking muchos dólares into
>properties in Baja, and then having the Mexican gobierno decide to
>repossess the properties. Have all those problems been resolved yet?
They seem to be, especially in Baja California...
The main income there is from gringos, and the government needs those
dollars....
Property that you buy is held in trust by the bank, since you still
have to be a Mexican national to own property outright... I guess the
main worry is that the government might get over thrown, or
something...
Our bottom line is that it seems safe and legal, and it's only
money.... we bought two 1/3 acre lots for about $30k each and the
first house, a 1,200 square foot rental, will cost about $80k to
build... should rent for over $11,000 a year after commissions
(35%!!!!)
We live in a "poorer" area of California, but the 40 year old tract
houses start at about $200k, so it's not like we're risking a lot of
bucks..
If it all works out, I'll be retiring at 60 instead of 90 or so, and
be building a custom house with shop and RV garage in a place where
life is warm, slow & easy..
If it doesn't work out, we lost some equity in our house, which we
didn't work to get, so we can live with the "worst case"..
hmm... wonder if they call him Normando down there? *g*
mac
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"mac davis" wrote in message
> hmm... wonder if they call him Normando down there? *g*
You'll probably do OK. Hell, in this day and age, and with property taxes
the way they are, you basically just rent your home from the government and
can live in it _only_ as long as you pay the taxing authorities ... doesn't
seem to be much difference from Mexico.
Sounds like a good plan ... hope it works out for you. I've always been
intrigued with Baja California since reading Steinbeck's "The Log From The
Sea Of Cortez" back in High School.
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On Saturday 29 Jan 2005 4:13 pm, mac davis scribbled:
> On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:34:03 -0500, Silvan
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>I've heard horror stories about people sinking muchos dólares into
>>properties in Baja, and then having the Mexican gobierno decide to
>>repossess the properties. Have all those problems been resolved yet?
>
> They seem to be, especially in Baja California...
> The main income there is from gringos, and the government needs those
> dollars....
> Property that you buy is held in trust by the bank, since you still
> have to be a Mexican national to own property outright... I guess the
> main worry is that the government might get over thrown, or
> something...
IIRC, the last time they let Yankees (Gringos, Silvan) buy property,
Mexico ended up losing most of Coahuila y Tejas, Alta California and
all the desert in between. :-)
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mac davis wrote:
>
> They seem to be, especially in Baja California...
> The main income there is from gringos, and the government needs those
> dollars....
> Property that you buy is held in trust by the bank, since you still
> have to be a Mexican national to own property outright... I guess the
> main worry is that the government might get over thrown, or
> something...
>
[much snippola]
Jack Smith was a much beloved columnist for the LA Times (also
syndicated) for many years. Many of his columns involved their house in
Baja, its construction and maintenance. He wrote a book about their
travails and their solutions according to Mr. Gomez, the local landlord,
handyman, and confidant. Perhaps it should be on the recommended
reading list for anyone with an interest in property ownership in Baja.
Its title is "God and Mr. Gomez". Funny and interesting. Try it
you'll like it.
mahalo,
jo4hn
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:45:32 -0500, "George" <george@least> wrote:
>
>"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> The same storm is just now moving into the Buffalo, NY area. Depending on
>which
>> weather forecast I listen to we'll get a "general" snowfall of somewhere
>between
>> 4" - 14" by tonight. The snow is supposed to continue into tomorrow.
>They say
>> there may be lake effect snows setting up that could add to the local
>amounts.
>> Winds of 30 MPH are expected causing "white outs".
>>
>> The good news is that the actual temperature is up to 3 degrees F (-16C)
>and
>> it's Saturday and so far I don't have to work. I work outdoors.
>>
>
>Just took last night's off my drive. No plow yet, so I'll have to get the
>windrow later after it passes. Sat down for tea and a look at the radar
>and see the lake effect bands coming 'round to fill me in again this
>afternoon.
>
>At least at 3 degrees you won't have the heavy stuff. One advantage of
>Superior lake effect over Erie, more, but lighter.
>
ok.. mini gloat time:
I just got back from a week in Baja California....
Average was 78 during the day, 55 at night on the beach... (that's
above zero, for those in the frozen tundra)
We're bitchin about it being 56 today at home and expecting about 50
tonight.. brrrr...
2 more years and we'll be heading south for
good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mac
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:23:48 GMT, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
>mac davis wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:45:05 GMT, "Lew Hodgett"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>mac davis writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>ok.. mini gloat time:
>>>>I just got back from a week in Baja California....
>>>>Average was 78 during the day, 55 at night on the beach... (that's
>>>>above zero, for those in the frozen tundra)
>>>
>>>As long as you're in Mexico, why not go to Cabo and be warm?
>>>
>>>55F sucks.
>>>
>>>Matter of fact, anything below 70F is unfit for human habitation IMHO.
>>>
>>>BTW, hope you had fun, even if it was 55F at night.
>>>
>>>Lew
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Baja seems to be the place to invest right now... we bought 2 lots and
>> will (I hope) start building the 1st house, a rental, this year...
>>
>> It just feels right... living in a gringo community and probably being
>> one of the few in the area that has a woodworking shop... and having a
>> view of the Sea of Cortez from the shop.. *sigh*
>>
>>
>Is it now possible for "gringos" to own the property there?
> j4
yeah, as Charles said, a trust..
In this case, in a deal with the Mexican Government to keep the green
flowing south, it's a blanket trust on an old existing "rancho"...
If done (imho) correctly, everyone wins, especially the government...
Baja depends on tourists and folks retiring there for the big bucks..
Now, if I can talk my neighbor, who's a stucco contractor, to buy a
lot near ours... *g*
mac
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"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:140120051042389138%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca...
> In case anyone is feeling chilly, you should know that with windchill
> we're currently at -53C (-63.4F).
>
> Brrr.
>
> djb
yesterday it got down to 72F... windchill was 72F, amazing how that works
here in Honolulu.
I do like to hear about the change of seasons thought, strengthens my
resolve to live here or in the deep south.
Jack
Dave Balderstone wrote:
> In case anyone is feeling chilly, you should know that with windchill
> we're currently at -53C (-63.4F).
>
> Brrr.
>
> djb
>
It's warming up here. Teens (dF) at night and 30s in the day. Warmed
up the ice so I could free up the door to the upper deck and shovel in
some steps so Bill D. Cat could sun himself atop the snow banks.
Sometimes I think that varmint is stone crazy.
Interesting phenomenon: After chopping through a foot or so of icy
snow, it becomes powdery again. I rather thought that the rain we had
would have soaked through the snow and froze all the way through.
mahalo,
jo4hn
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:55:19 +0000, the inscrutable "Luigi Zanasi"
<[email protected]> spake:
>-47C (no whinechill - no wind either) so actually -53F last night in
>Whitehorse.
>
>> Coldest I've ever seen here is in the neighborhood of -40F. A normal
>> winter will have a day or so of the 0 to -10F range.
>
>Weenie! ;-)
And I thought the +29F was bad here, WeeGee.
Enjoy!
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In article <[email protected]>,
"Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]> wrote:
> -47C (no whinechill - no wind either) so actually -53F last night in
> Whitehorse.
>
> > Coldest I've ever seen here is in the neighborhood of -40F. A normal
> > winter will have a day or so of the 0 to -10F range.
>
> Weenie! ;-)
I came home after having a 'few' with the boys at the pub...my ex was
already in bed with a severe case of PMS.. crawl up next to that!
now THAT is cold....
0¿0
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:42:38 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
>In case anyone is feeling chilly, you should know that with windchill
>we're currently at -53C (-63.4F).
>Brrr.
>
Know what you mean, when I got up this morning it was a chilly 45 degrees
F. Got down to freezing yesteday morning -- hate it when that happens,
hope winter is over soon. :-)
>djb
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Sister Larry wrote:
>You're a smoker. That already rules out common sense, eh?
Sorry Larry butcha lose all points (gone into the negative
way past the point of ever recovering) for being an arrogant
prig and masquerading as a Catholic nun had whilst in the
elementary schools during the 60's back when they were way
more sanctimonious that they ever should have been allowed
to be.
>What other senses have you lost besides feeling of the cold?
I can't speak for alla what Luigi has and has not but his
sense of hoomer doesn't ever have appeared to have been
caught in the car door and I usually read him no matter they
thread. Why? He's one hellava decent chap and never fails
with his offerings.
UA100, who really has come to wonder,
1)Larry
2) tits on a log
Which do you find more useful?...
Actually, at least if you were to find real tits growing on
a log you could probably make money offa it.
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:22:00 +0000, the inscrutable "Luigi Zanasi"
<[email protected]> spake:
>On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:09:06 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:55:19 +0000, the inscrutable "Luigi Zanasi"
>> <[email protected]> spake:
>>
>>>-47C (no whinechill - no wind either) so actually -53F last night in
>>>Whitehorse.
>>
>> And I thought the +29F was bad here, WeeGee. Enjoy!
>
>Last night I went out for a smoke during the intermission in the Andy
>Jones (of Codco fame for the Canuckistanis) show. It was -33C and I was
>only wearing a sweater. I wasn't cold. Amazing what one can get adapted
>to. After -47C, -33 felt positively balmy. Normally, I would be well
>bundled up at that temperature
You're a smoker. That already rules out common sense, eh?
What other senses have you lost besides feeling of the cold?
>Right now I'm wrecking off (tmSM) waiting for the shop to warm up. It was
>-9C in there (attached garage) this morning & -28 outside. Shows how much
>heat I lose from the house despite the 2X6 walls. No heat in there since
>Monday.
Um, "BRRRRR!" said the expatriot Californicator.
>For those who are curious, heating the sop is done by a 4800 watt 220V
You shouldn't dis yourself like that, WeeGee. (Leave that to us.)
What? Oh, I thought that said "sot". My mistake.
>electric heater which I got at an auction this summer. This would have
>been a gloat as I only paid $CAN20.00 for it (don't know what that would
>be in Yankee pesos these days). But it ended up costing me more than
>$50.00 for the breaker, conduit, wire, thermostat, 30A outlet, plugs,
>etc., I needed to make it work.
According to IMEX ( http://www.imex-fx.com/ ) a Canuckistani ducat is
worth 0.82 of a Yankee peso lately, and rising thanks to El Shrubbo.
(Hmmm, speaking of sots...)
You're just lucky you'r not from Venezuela. We get 1915.20 of their
Bolivars for our buck.
>I got to the auction too late to bid on the old DeWalt RAS. Anyway, there
>were two of the heaters up for auction & I only wanted one, but I figured,
>go for a maximum of $40 for both. The guy I bid against got the $40 bid &
>I gave up. As I was walking away, he runs after me & asks me if I want
>one, as he also only needs one. Hand him a $20 (the one with the queen,
>not with Claudia Schiffer), pick up the heater and am on my way.
It's good that you kept Claudia's bill. Whatta honey! It's too bad you
bid the auction thingies up so high. You ended up paying more for your
earlier participation. ;)
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It's pretty cold here too... 60 F with no silly wind chill factor. :~)
"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote in message
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> In case anyone is feeling chilly, you should know that with windchill
> we're currently at -53C (-63.4F).
>
> Brrr.
>
> djb
>
> --
> "The thing about saying the wrong words is that A, I don't notice it, and
> B,
> sometimes orange water gibbon bucket and plastic." -- Mr. Burrows
Luigi Zanasi wrote:
>I got to the auction too late to bid on the old DeWalt RAS. Anyway, there
>were two of the heaters up for auction & I only wanted one, but I figured,
>go for a maximum of $40 for both. The guy I bid against got the $40 bid &
>I gave up. As I was walking away, he runs after me & asks me if I want
>one, as he also only needs one. Hand him a $20 (the one with the queen,
>not with Claudia Schiffer), pick up the heater and am on my way.
I learned this lesson somewhere along the way. Me and this
other guy were bidding on a combined lot consisting of a
bucket of files and a Delta 12" Disk Finisher (disc sander
David). It dawned on me as I racheted up the bid to $25
that he may not be wanting what I wanted so I dropped out.
After the gavel fell I asked him what it was he was bidding
on and he retrieved a single (as in one) file from the
bucket. I split the bid ($13.00 US) with him and went home
with the disk finisher.
Ain't life grand?
UA100, where it's a spring like 7C...
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:24:29 -0600, Duane Bozarth wrote:
> Dave Balderstone wrote:
>>
>> In case anyone is feeling chilly, you should know that with windchill
>> we're currently at -53C (-63.4F).
>>
> Ah, weenie! What's the <real> temp--don't give us none of that
> whinechill factor!!!! :)
>
> I saw -56F at (I think, no place names on the map) Whitehorse on our 10
> PM news last night--that's cold!
-47C (no whinechill - no wind either) so actually -53F last night in
Whitehorse.
> Coldest I've ever seen here is in the neighborhood of -40F. A normal
> winter will have a day or so of the 0 to -10F range.
Weenie! ;-)
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ice fog today.
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:09:06 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:55:19 +0000, the inscrutable "Luigi Zanasi"
> <[email protected]> spake:
>
>>-47C (no whinechill - no wind either) so actually -53F last night in
>>Whitehorse.
>
> And I thought the +29F was bad here, WeeGee. Enjoy!
Last night I went out for a smoke during the intermission in the Andy
Jones (of Codco fame for the Canuckistanis) show. It was -33C and I was
only wearing a sweater. I wasn't cold. Amazing what one can get adapted
to. After -47C, -33 felt positively balmy. Normally, I would be well
bundled up at that temperature
Right now I'm wrecking off (tmSM) waiting for the shop to warm up. It was
-9C in there (attached garage) this morning & -28 outside. Shows how much
heat I lose from the house despite the 2X6 walls. No heat in there since
Monday.
For those who are curious, heating the sop is done by a 4800 watt 220V
electric heater which I got at an auction this summer. This would have
been a gloat as I only paid $CAN20.00 for it (don't know what that would
be in Yankee pesos these days). But it ended up costing me more than
$50.00 for the breaker, conduit, wire, thermostat, 30A outlet, plugs,
etc., I needed to make it work.
I got to the auction too late to bid on the old DeWalt RAS. Anyway, there
were two of the heaters up for auction & I only wanted one, but I figured,
go for a maximum of $40 for both. The guy I bid against got the $40 bid &
I gave up. As I was walking away, he runs after me & asks me if I want
one, as he also only needs one. Hand him a $20 (the one with the queen,
not with Claudia Schiffer), pick up the heater and am on my way.
--
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