I am closing on a house next week. The owner is removing their hot tub but
I have also told them they must remove the concrete slab. Is there any
problem with removing a slab (it\'s about 5\' X 5\') in the cold weather?
The temps here are about 15-20 degrees at night, 20 degrees+ during the
day.
-------------------------------------
Mike Marlow wrote:
> Josepi wrote:
>
>> There is no "..." before a question mark either.
>>
>> Your 'proper' may be different than what somebody else thinks is
>> 'proper'.
>>
>
> I don't think so. A 5x5 spa pad would require no footers.
But they could still BE there. Assume you're an unscrupulous contractor, and
the client wants a 5' pad to hold a couple of tons of water...
On Feb 3, 12:03=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2/2/11 9:19 PM, FrozenNorth wrote:
> > On 2/02/11 10:01 PM, Upscale wrote:
>
> >> While you're at it, I'm sure that everybody else in the rec would like
> >> you to plonk them too.
>
> > Agreed, but Jose probably doesn't even know how to operate a kf.
>
> He wouldn't use one because he knows guys whose computers exploded when
> they installed one.
It's a _kill_file. People have died using those!
R
On Jan 24, 7:42=A0am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Mike Marlow wrote:
> > Josepi wrote:
>
> >> There is no "..." before a question mark either.
>
> >> Your 'proper' may be different than what somebody else thinks is
> >> 'proper'.
>
> > I don't think so. =A0A 5x5 spa pad would require no footers.
>
> But they could still BE there. Assume you're an unscrupulous contractor, =
and
> the client wants a 5' pad to hold a couple of tons of water...
Then they'd tell them they put in the footings, charge them for it,
and save themselves the effort.
R
On Jan 23, 9:31=A0am, [email protected] (neuion) wrote:
> I am closing on a house next week. The owner is removing their hot tub bu=
t
> I have also told them they must remove the concrete slab. =A0Is there any
> problem with removing a slab (it\'s about 5\' X 5\') in the cold weather?
> The temps here are about 15-20 degrees at night, 20 degrees+ during the
> day.
As an alternative you could ask for a reduction in price and have it
removed afterward.
It's not exactly like you're going to be landscaping that area right
now.
R
Josepi wrote:
> There is no "..." before a question mark either.
>
> Your 'proper' may be different than what somebody else thinks is
> 'proper'.
>
I don't think so. A 5x5 spa pad would require no footers.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
"Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> <PLONK>
> "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Me too, me too! I'd like to get in on some of that.
While you're at it, I'm sure that everybody else in the rec would like you
to plonk them too.
On Feb 1, 9:31=A0pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Josepi wrote:
> > Huh?
>
> > Think about the information you just posted and then don't bother
> > anymore.
>
> > Never clean out your bozobin
> > <PLONK>
>
> I'd be rather happy to be PLONKED by one such as yourself. =A0Thank you.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected]
I'm jealous.. I wanna be plonked by HoseHappy too...
ADHD at it's finest. Try to stay on topic and stick to one name.
<PLONK>
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Me too, me too! I'd like to get in on some of that.
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
I'd be rather happy to be PLONKED by one such as yourself. Thank you.
J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>>
>> I am closing on a house next week. The owner is removing their hot
>> tub but I have also told them they must remove the concrete slab.
>> Is there any problem with removing a slab (it\'s about 5\' X 5\') in
>> the cold weather? The temps here are about 15-20 degrees at night,
>> 20 degrees+ during the day.
>>
>>
>> -------------------------------------
>
> If the ground is frozen getting it unstuck might be a bit of a chore.
> Especially if it's got proper below-the-frostline footings under it.
One would not put footings beneath a spa slab John. Just a slab on grade.
At best - if they were anal retentive, perhaps a haunch around the edges,
but that would be major overkill.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 1/23/2011 8:31 AM, neuion wrote:
> I am closing on a house next week. The owner is removing their hot tub but
> I have also told them they must remove the concrete slab. Is there any
> problem with removing a slab (it\'s about 5\' X 5\') in the cold weather?
> The temps here are about 15-20 degrees at night, 20 degrees+ during the
> day.
Demolition is demolition ... if it is standalone and not attached to
another structure, and any electrical and plumbing are carefully
considered, there should be no problem with removing it.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 14:31:28 +0000, [email protected]
(neuion) wrote:
>I am closing on a house next week. The owner is removing their hot tub but
>I have also told them they must remove the concrete slab. Is there any
>problem with removing a slab (it\'s about 5\' X 5\') in the cold weather?
>The temps here are about 15-20 degrees at night, 20 degrees+ during the
>day.
Nope. It might crack easier in the cold, and they won't work up quite
as much sweat hauling off the pieces. Tell 'em to go for it.
P.S: Don't forget these (tap, tap) Safety Goggles!
--
"I probably became a libertarian through exposure to tough-minded
professors" James Buchanan, Armen Alchian, Milton Friedman "who
encouraged me to think with my brain instead of my heart. I
learned that you have to evaluate the effects of public policy
as opposed to intentions."
-- Walter E. Williams
Josepi wrote:
> I can see another bozo that has never poured a concrete pad.
>
You do realize don't you - that the conversation was not at all about
pouring a concrete pad. It was about tearing one out. Now... please
explain how your insulation suggestion is going to apply to that process.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
I can see you have very little experience with much. Did you think it would
float over the house?
"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:8cd5fc56-c807-4d7b-9e87-31fa587ee55e@w29g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
Equipment? For a 60" square slab? A guy with a 20# sledge would have
it broken up in half an hour.
R
On Jan 23, 4:24 pm, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:
> The frozen ground will give less lawn damage moving equipment across it.
> The frozen concrete should shatter easier but nobody will realize it,
> anyway.
On Jan 23, 9:46=A0pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Josepi wrote:
>
> > I can see you have very little =A0experience with much. Did you think
> > it would float over the house?
>
> Do you have any idea how little concrete that really is? =A0Or are you st=
ill
> just trying to sound like the expert on everything?
It's about four or five wheelbarrows when it's broken up. Josie
would insist on a front end loader to handle the massive demolition
job.
R
On Jan 23, 10:47=A0am, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>
>
>
> > I am closing on a house next week. The owner is removing their hot tub =
but
> > I have also told them they must remove the concrete slab. =A0Is there a=
ny
> > problem with removing a slab (it\'s about 5\' X 5\') in the cold weathe=
r?
> > The temps here are about 15-20 degrees at night, 20 degrees+ during the
> > day.
>
> > -------------------------------------
>
> If the ground is frozen getting it unstuck might be a bit of a chore. =A0
> Especially if it's got proper below-the-frostline footings under it.
Footings for a spa slab...? There's no 'proper' footings for a spa
slab on grade because it doesn't require one.
R
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> I'd be rather happy to be PLONKED by one such as yourself. Thank you.
Me too, me too! I'd like to get in on some of that.
On Jan 23, 4:24=A0pm, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:
> The frozen ground will give less lawn damage moving equipment across it.
> The frozen concrete should shatter easier but nobody will realize it,
> anyway.
Equipment? For a 60" square slab? A guy with a 20# sledge would have
it broken up in half an hour.
R
The frozen ground will give less lawn damage moving equipment across it.
The frozen concrete should shatter easier but nobody will realize it,
anyway.
"neuion" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I am closing on a house next week. The owner is removing their hot tub but
I have also told them they must remove the concrete slab. Is there any
problem with removing a slab (it\'s about 5\' X 5\') in the cold weather?
The temps here are about 15-20 degrees at night, 20 degrees+ during the
day.
-------------------------------------
There is no "..." before a question mark either.
Your 'proper' may be different than what somebody else thinks is 'proper'.
Spa expert having a bad day again?
"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:806f3293-af16-455e-bfe5-2d19e32f79b0@fx12g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
Footings for a spa slab...? There's no 'proper' footings for a spa
slab on grade because it doesn't require one.
R
Put some insulation over the slab so the ground underneath it doesn't freeze
it down.
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
If the ground is frozen getting it unstuck might be a bit of a chore.
Especially if it's got proper below-the-frostline footings under it.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
I am closing on a house next week. The owner is removing their hot tub but
I have also told them they must remove the concrete slab. Is there any
problem with removing a slab (it\'s about 5\' X 5\') in the cold weather?
The temps here are about 15-20 degrees at night, 20 degrees+ during the
day.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> I am closing on a house next week. The owner is removing their hot tub but
> I have also told them they must remove the concrete slab. Is there any
> problem with removing a slab (it\'s about 5\' X 5\') in the cold weather?
> The temps here are about 15-20 degrees at night, 20 degrees+ during the
> day.
>
>
> -------------------------------------
If the ground is frozen getting it unstuck might be a bit of a chore.
Especially if it's got proper below-the-frostline footings under it.
In article <[email protected]>, markem618
@hotmail.com says...
>
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 21:41:36 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >One would not put footings beneath a spa slab John.
One never knows what one will find until one tries to pull the thing up.
> Just a slab on grade.
> >At best - if they were anal retentive, perhaps a haunch around the edges,
> >but that would be major overkill.
>
> Ah but then there are folk like my dad, he put a pad by the pool.
> Recycling an upright piano back (with all the wires in place) for
> reinforcing made it a real pain busting up that 5 foot by 5 foot slab
> it was only 3 inches thick.
>
> Dug a hole finally put a twenty ton jack put some air under it and hit
> repeat.....
>
> Mark
I can see another bozo that has never poured a concrete pad.
Never clean out your bozobin
<PLONK>
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
1/3 yard (assuming 4" thick), so about 1100 lbs. Four or five wheelbarrows
should cover it pretty easily.
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:07:52 -0800 (PST), RicodJour
<[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Jan 23, 9:46 pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> Josepi wrote:
>>
>> > I can see you have very little experience with much. Did you think
>> > it would float over the house?
>>
>> Do you have any idea how little concrete that really is? Or are you still
>> just trying to sound like the expert on everything?
>
>It's about four or five wheelbarrows when it's broken up. Josie
>would insist on a front end loader to handle the massive demolition
>job.
Huh?
Think about the information you just posted and then don't bother anymore.
Never clean out your bozobin
<PLONK>
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Huh????? Think about that suggestion, and then simply retract it.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Josepi wrote:
Put some insulation over the slab so the ground underneath it doesn't
freeze it down.
On Jan 23, 9:40=A0pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Josepi wrote:
>
> > Put some insulation over the slab so the ground underneath it doesn't
> > freeze it down.
>
> Huh????? =A0Think about that suggestion, and then simply retract it.
Now you did it - I can smell the frying circuitry from here. ;)
It is amazing, though, how many people believe that insulation somehow
creates heat instead of slowing down its transfer.
R
Josepi wrote:
> I can see you have very little experience with much. Did you think
> it would float over the house?
>
Do you have any idea how little concrete that really is? Or are you still
just trying to sound like the expert on everything?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Josepi wrote:
> Put some insulation over the slab so the ground underneath it doesn't
> freeze it down.
>
Huh????? Think about that suggestion, and then simply retract it.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 19:29:45 -0500, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I can see another bozo that has never poured a concrete pad.
You really are a moron, Josie. First, you're wrong. Second, the issue isn't
pouring a concrete pad. I never expect you to be able to read, though.
>Never clean out your bozobin
><PLONK>
You're a habitual liar, as well.
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>1/3 yard (assuming 4" thick), so about 1100 lbs. Four or five wheelbarrows
>should cover it pretty easily.
>
>
>On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:07:52 -0800 (PST), RicodJour
><[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>On Jan 23, 9:46 pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>> Josepi wrote:
>>>
>>> > I can see you have very little experience with much. Did you think
>>> > it would float over the house?
>>>
>>> Do you have any idea how little concrete that really is? Or are you still
>>> just trying to sound like the expert on everything?
>>
>>It's about four or five wheelbarrows when it's broken up. Josie
>>would insist on a front end loader to handle the massive demolition
>>job.
>
>
Josepi wrote:
> Huh?
>
> Think about the information you just posted and then don't bother
> anymore.
>
> Never clean out your bozobin
> <PLONK>
>
I'd be rather happy to be PLONKED by one such as yourself. Thank you.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Heck - build a shed on top of it to hold Barbeque or lawn stuff.
Maybe car stuff.
Should be easy enough. Put down a layer of poly under the wall bases
and it would allow less future loss and less airflow.
If it is in a bad spot - it will be a lot of noise going out.
Martin
On 1/23/2011 8:31 AM, neuion wrote:
> I am closing on a house next week. The owner is removing their hot tub but
> I have also told them they must remove the concrete slab. Is there any
> problem with removing a slab (it\'s about 5\' X 5\') in the cold weather?
> The temps here are about 15-20 degrees at night, 20 degrees+ during the
> day.
>
>
> -------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 21:50:20 -0600, Markem <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 21:41:36 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>One would not put footings beneath a spa slab John. Just a slab on grade.
>>At best - if they were anal retentive, perhaps a haunch around the edges,
>>but that would be major overkill.
>
>Ah but then there are folk like my dad, he put a pad by the pool.
>Recycling an upright piano back (with all the wires in place) for
>reinforcing made it a real pain busting up that 5 foot by 5 foot slab
>it was only 3 inches thick.
Knowing that, I'd have rented a saw to cut it up, or bought a cheapie
skilsaw and a couple abrasive blades to have at it.
>Dug a hole finally put a twenty ton jack put some air under it and hit
>repeat.....
A 2-T jack would have been able to raise the entire thing onto one
corner while you adjusted its attitude with sledges. That's one thing
you need a full face shield for. The act of cement or rock breaking
sends out nasty and sharp shards which can cut your face, neck, and
arms something fierce.
--
"I probably became a libertarian through exposure to tough-minded
professors" James Buchanan, Armen Alchian, Milton Friedman "who
encouraged me to think with my brain instead of my heart. I
learned that you have to evaluate the effects of public policy
as opposed to intentions."
-- Walter E. Williams
On 2/02/11 10:01 PM, Upscale wrote:
> "Josepi"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> <PLONK>
>> "Upscale"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> Me too, me too! I'd like to get in on some of that.
>
> While you're at it, I'm sure that everybody else in the rec would like you
> to plonk them too.
>
Agreed, but Jose probably doesn't even know how to operate a kf.
--
Froz...
The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
On 2/2/11 9:19 PM, FrozenNorth wrote:
> On 2/02/11 10:01 PM, Upscale wrote:
>> "Josepi"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> <PLONK>
>>> "Upscale"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> Me too, me too! I'd like to get in on some of that.
>>
>> While you're at it, I'm sure that everybody else in the rec would like
>> you
>> to plonk them too.
>>
> Agreed, but Jose probably doesn't even know how to operate a kf.
>
He wouldn't use one because he knows guys whose computers exploded when
they installed one.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
> Ah but then there are folk like my dad, he put a pad by the pool.
> Recycling an upright piano back (with all the wires in place) for
> reinforcing made it a real pain busting up that 5 foot by 5 foot slab
> it was only 3 inches thick.
>
> Dug a hole finally put a twenty ton jack put some air under it and hit
> repeat.....
I dug and broke up the sidewalk at my house, which was built around the mid
50's. I found out that part would not break. I tried everything.
I ended up renting a tow along big air compressor and jack hammer.
You see, concrete was cheap enough back then, that rather bring in some dirt
or gravel to bring the grade up under the slab, they just poured some
concrete in, a bit deeper.
How does 14" deep in one corner sound? <g>
--
Jim in NC
"Hoosierpopi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:be25947b-88a9-4160-8943-6f0679940630@u18g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> Is there any problem with removing a slab (it\'s about 5\' X 5\') in
> the cold weather? (20 degrees)
>
> Well, why didn't you volunteer to do the work?
>
> There, you've the answer!
Personally, I have no problems when watching this type of work.
Steve
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 21:41:36 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>One would not put footings beneath a spa slab John. Just a slab on grade.
>At best - if they were anal retentive, perhaps a haunch around the edges,
>but that would be major overkill.
Ah but then there are folk like my dad, he put a pad by the pool.
Recycling an upright piano back (with all the wires in place) for
reinforcing made it a real pain busting up that 5 foot by 5 foot slab
it was only 3 inches thick.
Dug a hole finally put a twenty ton jack put some air under it and hit
repeat.....
Mark
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:07:52 -0800 (PST), RicodJour <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Jan 23, 9:46 pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> Josepi wrote:
>>
>> > I can see you have very little experience with much. Did you think
>> > it would float over the house?
>>
>> Do you have any idea how little concrete that really is? Or are you still
>> just trying to sound like the expert on everything?
>
>It's about four or five wheelbarrows when it's broken up. Josie
>would insist on a front end loader to handle the massive demolition
>job.
1/3 yard (assuming 4" thick), so about 1100 lbs. Four or five wheelbarrows
should cover it pretty easily.