Philips Wood screws

Not necessarily the answer you're looking for but:
Stainless socket heads stick nicely on the driver and they look good.
I make a point of their display:
http://patwarner.com/images/try_square_2.jpg
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On May 27, 3:19=A0pm, Ignoramus6479 <[email protected]>
wrote:
> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
> screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
> direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
> pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>
> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
> philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>
> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
> screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>
> i

On May 27, 8:45=A0pm, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> On 5/27/2011 5:19 PM, Ignoramus6479 wrote:
>
> > There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
> > screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
> > direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
> > pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>
> > It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
> > philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>
> > My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
> > screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>
> > i
>
> As others have pointed out, you are probably not using the correct
> driver on the what you assume may be a Phillips head screw.
>
> Drop that style screw altogether and use square head drive screws. =A0I
> switched over 25 years ago.

For construction, they're great. For fine work,
Philips (or even slotted) head screws look better.

Ignoramus6479 wrote:
>
> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
> screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
> direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
> pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>
> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
> philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>
> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
> screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>
> i

For all kinds of fastener info:

http://www.mcfeelys.com

George W Frost wrote:
> "Ignoramus6479" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
>> screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
>> direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
>> pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>>
>> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
>> philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>>
>> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
>> screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>>
>> i
>
> Mating with a Phillips head screw is called
> "Using the right size driver bit"

Bingo!

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"CaveLamb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> CaveLamb wrote:
>> Erik wrote:
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2011 17:40:24 -0500, CaveLamb <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ignoramus6479 wrote:
>>>>>> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
>>>>>> screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
>>>>>> direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
>>>>>> pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>>>>>> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
>>>>>> philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>>>>>> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
>>>>>> screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you sure you are not including "cross head" with "Phillips"?
>>>> Are you sure you're not confusing "posidriv" with "cross head"? ;-)
>>>> Cross-head *is* a Phillips head.
>>>> http://inventors.about.com/od/sstartinventions/a/screwdriver_2.htm
>>>>
>>>> Posidriv looks sorta like it but has the additional radial markings to
>>>> differentiate the Posidriv head.
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_F._Phillips
>>>
>>> Also here:
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozidriv#Pozidriv
>>>
>>> Erik
>>
>>
>> Possibly...
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Actually, I think I was thinking of the Reed and Prince...
> It requires a special screw driver.
>
> --
>
> Richard Lamb

I was wondering when someone might mention those. They were used on the
Nike missile airframe. The screwdrivers have a pointed nose as opposed to
the slightly rounded nose of a conventional Phillips.

Max

Den 28-05-2011 23:24, Father Haskell skrev:
> On May 27, 6:19 pm, Ignoramus6479<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
>> screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
>> direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
>> pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>>
>> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
>> philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>>
>> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
>> screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>>
>> i
>
> Better drivers, Philips or straight, are hollow ground to
> prevent camout. You'll never see a wedge-ground straight
> tip for a power driver. Worn wedge-ground drivers can
> be hollow ground for the same benefit.
>
> Trivia -- the Philips in Sony-Philips, who invented the
> CD, is the same company that invented both the
> Philips driver and the compact audio cassette.

That is not true.
Here you have the true story of the name:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_F._Phillips



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"Father Haskell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:44413f45-8978-410e-ac46-ed53b67fcfa4@hd10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
On May 27, 8:45 pm, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> On 5/27/2011 5:19 PM, Ignoramus6479 wrote:
>
> > There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
> > screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
> > direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
> > pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>
> > It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
> > philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>
> > My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
> > screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>
> > i
>
> As others have pointed out, you are probably not using the correct
> driver on the what you assume may be a Phillips head screw.
>
> Drop that style screw altogether and use square head drive screws. I
> switched over 25 years ago.

>For construction, they're great. For fine work,
>Philips (or even slotted) head screws look better.


Hmm. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I prefer the little square.
I think the Robertson screws may have acquired a bad reputation because they
were used extensively in "production" cabinetry.
People thought if a cabinet had "square head" screws it must have come off a
production line. que no?

Max

On May 27, 6:19=A0pm, Ignoramus6479 <[email protected]>
wrote:
> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
> screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
> direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
> pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>
> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
> philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>
> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
> screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>
> i

Better drivers, Philips or straight, are hollow ground to
prevent camout. You'll never see a wedge-ground straight
tip for a power driver. Worn wedge-ground drivers can
be hollow ground for the same benefit.

Trivia -- the Philips in Sony-Philips, who invented the
CD, is the same company that invented both the
Philips driver and the compact audio cassette.

On May 28, 5:55=A0pm, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 28 May 2011 14:26:40 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On May 27, 8:45=A0pm, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> >> On 5/27/2011 5:19 PM, Ignoramus6479 wrote:
>
> >> > There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
> >> > screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
> >> > direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
> >> > pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>
> >> > It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
> >> > philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>
> >> > My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
> >> > screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>
> >> > i
>
> >> As others have pointed out, you are probably not using the correct
> >> driver on the what you assume may be a Phillips head screw.
>
> >> Drop that style screw altogether and use square head drive screws. =A0=
I
> >> switched over 25 years ago.
>
> >For construction, they're great. =A0For fine work,
> >Philips (or even slotted) head screws look better.
>
> I don't find trim-head screws with a #1 Robertson head any more
> objectionable than other screws. =A0Slotted? =A0Ick! =A0I suppose you lin=
e
> up all the slots, too. =A0;-)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Which would you prefer for setting hinges?

> Sounds like you may be fighting the Pozidriv v Phillips wars
> all over again.
> see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives
> <snip>
> Phillips drivers have an intentional angle on the flanks and
> rounded corners so they will cam out of the slot before a
> power tool will twist off the screw head. The Pozidriv
> screws and drivers have straight sided flanks.
>
> The Pozidriv screwdriver and screws are also visually
> distinguishable from Phillips by the second set of
> cross-like features set 45 degrees from the cross. The
> manufacturing process for Pozidriv screwdrivers is slightly
> more complex. The Phillips driver has four simple slots cut
> out of it, whereas in the Pozidriv each slot is the result
> of two machining processes at right angles. The result of
> this is that the arms of the cross are parallel-sided with
> the Pozidriv, and tapered with the Phillips.
>
> This design is intended to decrease the likelihood that the
> Pozidriv screwdriver will slip out, provide a greater
> driving surface, and decrease wear.[8] The chief
> disadvantage of Pozidriv screws is that they are visually
> quite similar to Phillips, thus many people are unaware of
> the difference or do not own the correct drivers for them,
> and use incorrect screwdrivers. This results in difficulty
> with removing the screw and damage to the slot, rendering
> any subsequent use of a correct screwdriver unsatisfactory.
> Phillips screwdrivers will fit in and turn Pozidriv screws,
> but will cam out if enough torque is applied, potentially
> damaging the screw head. The marker lines on a Pozidriv
> screwdriver will not fit a Phillips screw correctly, and are
> likely to slip or tear out the screw head.
> <snip>
>
Good post. Here in the UK a lot of us use pozidriv exclusively.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Uffe Bærentsen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Den 28-05-2011 23:24, Father Haskell skrev:
> > > On May 27, 6:19 pm, Ignoramus6479<[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > >> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
> > >> screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
> > >> direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
> > >> pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
> > >>
> > >> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
> > >> philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
> > >>
> > >> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
> > >> screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
> > >>
> > >> i
> > >
> > > Better drivers, Philips or straight, are hollow ground to
> > > prevent camout. You'll never see a wedge-ground straight
> > > tip for a power driver. Worn wedge-ground drivers can
> > > be hollow ground for the same benefit.
> > >
> > > Trivia -- the Philips in Sony-Philips, who invented the
> > > CD, is the same company that invented both the
> > > Philips driver and the compact audio cassette.
> >
> > That is not true.
> > Here you have the true story of the name:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_F._Phillips
>
> Interesting. And, the wiki gives the other patent number.

FWIW, Phillips also developed Pozidrive and several other screw heads.
They have a web site at <http://www.phillips-screw.com/contact.htm>.

Also, the big Dutch electronics company spells it with one "l", the
screw manufacturer with two.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] says...
> > >
> > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > Uffe Bærentsen <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Den 28-05-2011 23:24, Father Haskell skrev:
> > > > > On May 27, 6:19 pm, Ignoramus6479<[email protected]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
> > > > >> screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
> > > > >> direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
> > > > >> pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
> > > > >> philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
> > > > >> screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> i
> > > > >
> > > > > Better drivers, Philips or straight, are hollow ground to
> > > > > prevent camout. You'll never see a wedge-ground straight
> > > > > tip for a power driver. Worn wedge-ground drivers can
> > > > > be hollow ground for the same benefit.
> > > > >
> > > > > Trivia -- the Philips in Sony-Philips, who invented the
> > > > > CD, is the same company that invented both the
> > > > > Philips driver and the compact audio cassette.
> > > >
> > > > That is not true.
> > > > Here you have the true story of the name:
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_F._Phillips
> > >
> > > Interesting. And, the wiki gives the other patent number.
> >
> > FWIW, Phillips also developed Pozidrive and several other screw heads.
> > They have a web site at <http://www.phillips-screw.com/contact.htm>.
> >
> > Also, the big Dutch electronics company spells it with one "l", the
> > screw manufacturer with two.
>
> Probably a trademark issue, and the Dutch outfit was always Philips.

I think it's a matter of being founded by Gerard Philips vs Henry
Phillips.

In article <e4f248f7-9ce3-43e9-bb49-
[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> On May 29, 3:54 pm, "Max" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > "Father Haskell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> > news:44413f45-8978-410e-ac46-ed53b67fcfa4@hd10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> > On May 27, 8:45 pm, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 5/27/2011 5:19 PM, Ignoramus6479 wrote:
> >
> > > > There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
> > > > screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
> > > > direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
> > > > pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
> >
> > > > It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
> > > > philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
> >
> > > > My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
> > > > screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
> >
> > > > i
> >
> > > As others have pointed out, you are probably not using the correct
> > > driver on the what you assume may be a Phillips head screw.
> >
> > > Drop that style screw altogether and use square head drive screws. I
> > > switched over 25 years ago.
> > >For construction, they're great.  For fine work,
> > >Philips (or even slotted) head screws look better.
> >
> > Hmm. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  I prefer the little square.
> > I think the Robertson screws may have acquired a bad reputation because they
> > were used extensively in "production" cabinetry.
> > People thought if a cabinet had "square head" screws it must have come off a
> > production line.  que no?
> >
> > Max- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I like my work to look at least 40 years old. Traditional
> finishes such as shellac or linseed oil are a start. Hardware
> is the crowning touch, so no screw heads that you wouldn't
> find on something 4 decades old.

40 years ago would be 1971. WEST epoxy, polyurethane, Torx fasteners,
all were available then.

"Ignoramus6479" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

If you were smart, you would get the square drive or better yet, the Torx
drive ceramic coated screws. Run in easy and do not break or strip easily.
I have left the easy stripping phillips head screws in my past, thankfully,
forever.

-- Jim in NC

Ignoramus6479 <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones
> fit the screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and
> maintain the direction. The "other kind" do not, they
> wiggle out and are a huge pain to use to start holes in
> awkward positions, etc.
>
> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case
> -- the philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a
> better fit.
>
> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I
> order wood screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be
> looking for?
>
> i


PosiDrive?

Ignoramus6479 wrote:
> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
> screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
> direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
> pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>
> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
> philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>
> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
> screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>
> i

There are a LOT more than two cross drive types.
Phillips, Frearson, Posi-drive, Supadriv, are just a few.

--
Steve W.

On May 28, 5:29=A0pm, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> On 5/28/2011 4:26 PM, Father Haskell wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 27, 8:45 pm, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> =A0wrote:
> >> On 5/27/2011 5:19 PM, Ignoramus6479 wrote:
>
> >>> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
> >>> screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
> >>> direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
> >>> pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>
> >>> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
> >>> philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>
> >>> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
> >>> screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>
> >>> i
>
> >> As others have pointed out, you are probably not using the correct
> >> driver on the what you assume may be a Phillips head screw.
>
> >> Drop that style screw altogether and use square head drive screws. =A0=
I
> >> switched over 25 years ago.
>
> > For construction, they're great. =A0For fine work,
> > Philips (or even slotted) head screws look better.
>
> For fine work I don't let screws show if at all possible.- Hide quoted te=
xt -
>
> - Show quoted text -

That's a decision I've made many, many times thanks
to HD's monopolization and complete fuckover of U.S.
hardware quality. Still, some projects are always going
to have visible screwheads somewhere, such as the
tiny #3 Philips screws used just about everywhere
on guitars.

On May 28, 5:45=A0pm, Uffe B=E6rentsen <[email protected]> wrote:
> Den 28-05-2011 23:24, Father Haskell skrev:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 27, 6:19 pm, Ignoramus6479<[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
> >> screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
> >> direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
> >> pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>
> >> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
> >> philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>
> >> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
> >> screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>
> >> i
>
> > Better drivers, Philips or straight, are hollow ground to
> > prevent camout. =A0You'll never see a wedge-ground straight
> > tip for a power driver. =A0Worn wedge-ground drivers can
> > be hollow ground for the same benefit.
>
> > Trivia -- the Philips in Sony-Philips, who invented the
> > CD, is the same company that invented both the
> > Philips driver and the compact audio cassette.
>
> That is not true.
> Here you have the true story of the name:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hen=
ry_F._Phillips
>
> --
> Uffe B=E6rentsen- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks for the clarification.

On May 30, 3:00=A0am, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <e4f248f7-9ce3-43e9-bb49-
> [email protected]>, [email protected]
> says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 29, 3:54=A0pm, "Max" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > "Father Haskell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > >news:44413f45-8978-410e-ac46-ed53b67fcfa4@hd10g2000vbb.googlegroups.co=
m...
> > > On May 27, 8:45 pm, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
> > > > On 5/27/2011 5:19 PM, Ignoramus6479 wrote:
>
> > > > > There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit t=
he
> > > > > screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
> > > > > direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a hug=
e
> > > > > pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>
> > > > > It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- th=
e
> > > > > philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>
> > > > > My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wo=
od
> > > > > screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>
> > > > > i
>
> > > > As others have pointed out, you are probably not using the correct
> > > > driver on the what you assume may be a Phillips head screw.
>
> > > > Drop that style screw altogether and use square head drive screws. =
I
> > > > switched over 25 years ago.
> > > >For construction, they're great. =A0For fine work,
> > > >Philips (or even slotted) head screws look better.
>
> > > Hmm. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. =A0I prefer the little squ=
are.
> > > I think the Robertson screws may have acquired a bad reputation becau=
se they
> > > were used extensively in "production" cabinetry.
> > > People thought if a cabinet had "square head" screws it must have com=
e off a
> > > production line. =A0que no?
>
> > > Max- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I like my work to look at least 40 years old. =A0Traditional
> > finishes such as shellac or linseed oil are a start. =A0Hardware
> > is the crowning touch, so no screw heads that you wouldn't
> > find on something 4 decades old.
>
> 40 years ago would be 1971. =A0WEST epoxy, polyurethane, Torx fasteners,
> all were available then.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

And not one of them made in China.

"Ignoramus6479" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
> screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
> direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
> pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>
> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
> philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>
> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
> screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>
> i

Mating with a Phillips head screw is called
"Using the right size driver bit"

On May 29, 3:54=A0pm, "Max" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Father Haskell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:44413f45-8978-410e-ac46-ed53b67fcfa4@hd10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com..=
.
> On May 27, 8:45 pm, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 5/27/2011 5:19 PM, Ignoramus6479 wrote:
>
> > > There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
> > > screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
> > > direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
> > > pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>
> > > It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
> > > philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>
> > > My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
> > > screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>
> > > i
>
> > As others have pointed out, you are probably not using the correct
> > driver on the what you assume may be a Phillips head screw.
>
> > Drop that style screw altogether and use square head drive screws. I
> > switched over 25 years ago.
> >For construction, they're great. =A0For fine work,
> >Philips (or even slotted) head screws look better.
>
> Hmm. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. =A0I prefer the little square.
> I think the Robertson screws may have acquired a bad reputation because t=
hey
> were used extensively in "production" cabinetry.
> People thought if a cabinet had "square head" screws it must have come of=
f a
> production line. =A0que no?
>
> Max- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I like my work to look at least 40 years old. Traditional
finishes such as shellac or linseed oil are a start. Hardware
is the crowning touch, so no screw heads that you wouldn't
find on something 4 decades old.

Ignoramus6479 wrote:
> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
> screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
> direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
> pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>
> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
> philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>
> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
> screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>
> i


Are you sure you are not including "cross head" with "Phillips"?

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On Fri, 27 May 2011 17:40:24 -0500, CaveLamb <[email protected]> wrote:

>Ignoramus6479 wrote:
>> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
>> screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
>> direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
>> pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>>
>> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
>> philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>>
>> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
>> screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>>
>> i
>
>
>Are you sure you are not including "cross head" with "Phillips"?

Are you sure you're not confusing "posidriv" with "cross head"? ;-)
Cross-head *is* a Phillips head.

http://inventors.about.com/od/sstartinventions/a/screwdriver_2.htm

Posidriv looks sorta like it but has the additional radial markings to
differentiate the Posidriv head.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_F._Phillips

On Sat, 28 May 2011 14:26:40 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On May 27, 8:45 pm, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>> On 5/27/2011 5:19 PM, Ignoramus6479 wrote:
>>
>> > There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
>> > screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
>> > direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
>> > pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>>
>> > It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
>> > philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>>
>> > My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
>> > screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>>
>> > i
>>
>> As others have pointed out, you are probably not using the correct
>> driver on the what you assume may be a Phillips head screw.
>>
>> Drop that style screw altogether and use square head drive screws.  I
>> switched over 25 years ago.
>
>For construction, they're great. For fine work,
>Philips (or even slotted) head screws look better.

I don't find trim-head screws with a #1 Robertson head any more
objectionable than other screws. Slotted? Ick! I suppose you line
up all the slots, too. ;-)

On 5/28/2011 4:26 PM, Father Haskell wrote:
> On May 27, 8:45 pm, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>> On 5/27/2011 5:19 PM, Ignoramus6479 wrote:
>>
>>> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
>>> screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
>>> direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
>>> pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>>
>>> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
>>> philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>>
>>> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
>>> screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>>
>>> i
>>
>> As others have pointed out, you are probably not using the correct
>> driver on the what you assume may be a Phillips head screw.
>>
>> Drop that style screw altogether and use square head drive screws. I
>> switched over 25 years ago.
>
> For construction, they're great. For fine work,
> Philips (or even slotted) head screws look better.

For fine work I don't let screws show if at all possible.

Ignoramus6479 wrote:
> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
> screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
> direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
> pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>
> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
> philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>
> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
> screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?

"Phillips" is a definitive callout for the drive.
I've been spec'ing industrial quality Phillips
machine screws for 25 years and never seen one
that didn't fit the driver tight.

J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Uffe Bærentsen <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > Den 28-05-2011 23:24, Father Haskell skrev:
>> > >
>> > > Trivia -- the Philips in Sony-Philips, who invented the
>> > > CD, is the same company that invented both the
>> > > Philips driver and the compact audio cassette.
>> >
>> > That is not true.
>> > Here you have the true story of the name:
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_F._Phillips
>>
>> Interesting. And, the wiki gives the other patent number.
>
> FWIW, Phillips also developed Pozidrive and several other screw heads.
> They have a web site at <http://www.phillips-screw.com/contact.htm>.
>
> Also, the big Dutch electronics company spells it with one "l", the
> screw manufacturer with two.

I was kind of surprised to find that Terrance's pal Phillip has two "L"s.

Cheers!
Rich

On Fri, 27 May 2011 22:30:59 -0700, Erik <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Also here:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozidriv#Pozidriv
>
>Erik

Thanks! Some there Id never seen before!

Gunner, who loves Robertson screws and used them solely when running an
alarm company for nearly 2 decades.


One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

In article <[email protected]>,
Uffe Bærentsen <[email protected]> wrote:

> Den 28-05-2011 23:24, Father Haskell skrev:
> > On May 27, 6:19 pm, Ignoramus6479<[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
> >> screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
> >> direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
> >> pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
> >>
> >> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
> >> philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
> >>
> >> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
> >> screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
> >>
> >> i
> >
> > Better drivers, Philips or straight, are hollow ground to
> > prevent camout. You'll never see a wedge-ground straight
> > tip for a power driver. Worn wedge-ground drivers can
> > be hollow ground for the same benefit.
> >
> > Trivia -- the Philips in Sony-Philips, who invented the
> > CD, is the same company that invented both the
> > Philips driver and the compact audio cassette.
>
> That is not true.
> Here you have the true story of the name:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_F._Phillips

Interesting. And, the wiki gives the other patent number.

Joe Gwinn

In article <[email protected]>,
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> >
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Uffe Bærentsen <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Den 28-05-2011 23:24, Father Haskell skrev:
> > > > On May 27, 6:19 pm, Ignoramus6479<[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
> > > >> screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
> > > >> direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
> > > >> pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
> > > >>
> > > >> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
> > > >> philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
> > > >>
> > > >> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
> > > >> screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
> > > >>
> > > >> i
> > > >
> > > > Better drivers, Philips or straight, are hollow ground to
> > > > prevent camout. You'll never see a wedge-ground straight
> > > > tip for a power driver. Worn wedge-ground drivers can
> > > > be hollow ground for the same benefit.
> > > >
> > > > Trivia -- the Philips in Sony-Philips, who invented the
> > > > CD, is the same company that invented both the
> > > > Philips driver and the compact audio cassette.
> > >
> > > That is not true.
> > > Here you have the true story of the name:
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_F._Phillips
> >
> > Interesting. And, the wiki gives the other patent number.
>
> FWIW, Phillips also developed Pozidrive and several other screw heads.
> They have a web site at <http://www.phillips-screw.com/contact.htm>.
>
> Also, the big Dutch electronics company spells it with one "l", the
> screw manufacturer with two.

Probably a trademark issue, and the Dutch outfit was always Philips.

Joe Gwinn

In article <[email protected]>,
Ignoramus6479 <[email protected]> wrote:

> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
> screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
> direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
> pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>
> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
> philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>
> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
> screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?

As many others have noted, there are lots of screw types that look like
Phillips, and one must match screw to screwdriver.

The issue I suspect was that people needed to avoid Phillips patents. I
have an old #2 Phillips drive that is marked as being licensed under US
patent 2,507,231. I bought the driver in the late 1960s in Baltimore.
I'm pretty sure it was made by Stanley, from the day when they made the
best tools.

For instance, there is a Japanese standard that is visually identical to
Phillips, but the drivers are not interchangable, so if one worked on
much Japanese-built equipment, one got Japanese screwdrivers. This was
particularly true of cameras and optics.

Joe Gwinn

There is also another screw called JIS... it is a japanese standard and
might also be what you are seeing.

On 5/27/2011 6:19 PM, Ignoramus6479 wrote:
> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
> screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
> direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
> pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>
> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
> philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>
> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
> screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>
> i

CaveLamb wrote:
> Erik wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 27 May 2011 17:40:24 -0500, CaveLamb <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ignoramus6479 wrote:
>>>>> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
>>>>> screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
>>>>> direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
>>>>> pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>>>>> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
>>>>> philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>>>>> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
>>>>> screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>>>>>
>>>>> i
>>>>
>>>> Are you sure you are not including "cross head" with "Phillips"?
>>> Are you sure you're not confusing "posidriv" with "cross head"? ;-)
>>> Cross-head *is* a Phillips head.
>>> http://inventors.about.com/od/sstartinventions/a/screwdriver_2.htm
>>>
>>> Posidriv looks sorta like it but has the additional radial markings to
>>> differentiate the Posidriv head.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_F._Phillips
>>
>> Also here:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozidriv#Pozidriv
>>
>> Erik
>
>
> Possibly...
>
>
>


Actually, I think I was thinking of the Reed and Prince...
It requires a special screw driver.

--

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~sv_temptress

Erik wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 27 May 2011 17:40:24 -0500, CaveLamb <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Ignoramus6479 wrote:
>>>> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
>>>> screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
>>>> direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
>>>> pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>>>>
>>>> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
>>>> philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>>>>
>>>> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
>>>> screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>>>>
>>>> i
>>>
>>> Are you sure you are not including "cross head" with "Phillips"?
>> Are you sure you're not confusing "posidriv" with "cross head"? ;-)
>> Cross-head *is* a Phillips head.
>>
>> http://inventors.about.com/od/sstartinventions/a/screwdriver_2.htm
>>
>> Posidriv looks sorta like it but has the additional radial markings to
>> differentiate the Posidriv head.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_F._Phillips
>
> Also here:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozidriv#Pozidriv
>
> Erik


Possibly...



--

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http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~sv_temptress

On 5/27/2011 5:19 PM, Ignoramus6479 wrote:
> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
> screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
> direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
> pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>
> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
> philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>
> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
> screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>
> i


As others have pointed out, you are probably not using the correct
driver on the what you assume may be a Phillips head screw.

Drop that style screw altogether and use square head drive screws. I
switched over 25 years ago.

On Sat, 28 May 2011 03:03:49 -0700, Gunner Asch <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 27 May 2011 22:30:59 -0700, Erik <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>Also here:
>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozidriv#Pozidriv
>>
>>Erik
>
>Thanks! Some there Id never seen before!
>
>Gunner, who loves Robertson screws and used them solely when running an
>alarm company for nearly 2 decades.

Robertson is certainly an improvement over Phillips. I prefer Torx, but
they're usually more expensive. Anthing larger than about a #8x3 I usually
spring for them, though. I don't use all that many so the extra cost isn't
great.

>One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
>in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
>and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
>not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
> Gunner Asch

On Fri, 27 May 2011 17:19:59 -0500, Ignoramus6479
<[email protected]> wrote:

>There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
>screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
>direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
>pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>
>It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
>philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>
>My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
>screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>
>i
============
Sounds like you may be fighting the Pozidriv v Phillips wars
all over again.
see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives
<snip>
Phillips drivers have an intentional angle on the flanks and
rounded corners so they will cam out of the slot before a
power tool will twist off the screw head. The Pozidriv
screws and drivers have straight sided flanks.

The Pozidriv screwdriver and screws are also visually
distinguishable from Phillips by the second set of
cross-like features set 45 degrees from the cross. The
manufacturing process for Pozidriv screwdrivers is slightly
more complex. The Phillips driver has four simple slots cut
out of it, whereas in the Pozidriv each slot is the result
of two machining processes at right angles. The result of
this is that the arms of the cross are parallel-sided with
the Pozidriv, and tapered with the Phillips.

This design is intended to decrease the likelihood that the
Pozidriv screwdriver will slip out, provide a greater
driving surface, and decrease wear.[8] The chief
disadvantage of Pozidriv screws is that they are visually
quite similar to Phillips, thus many people are unaware of
the difference or do not own the correct drivers for them,
and use incorrect screwdrivers. This results in difficulty
with removing the screw and damage to the slot, rendering
any subsequent use of a correct screwdriver unsatisfactory.
Phillips screwdrivers will fit in and turn Pozidriv screws,
but will cam out if enough torque is applied, potentially
damaging the screw head. The marker lines on a Pozidriv
screwdriver will not fit a Phillips screw correctly, and are
likely to slip or tear out the screw head.
<snip>

http://www.hafele.com/us/services/haefele-library/4300.htm

posidrv bits and screwdrivers

http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=pozidriv+screwdriver&tag=googhydr-20&index=tools&hvadid=7973561139&ref=pd_sl_9b5lg08cku_b
http://www.jjscrewdriverbits.com/
http://www.mcfeelys.com/pozidrive-bit
http://www.wihatools.com/700seri/712serie.htm
and a whole bunch more

Let the group know what you find as there are most likely
others with the same problem.


-- Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

In article <[email protected]>,
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 27 May 2011 17:40:24 -0500, CaveLamb <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Ignoramus6479 wrote:
> >> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
> >> screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
> >> direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
> >> pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
> >>
> >> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
> >> philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
> >>
> >> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
> >> screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
> >>
> >> i
> >
> >
> >Are you sure you are not including "cross head" with "Phillips"?
>
> Are you sure you're not confusing "posidriv" with "cross head"? ;-)
> Cross-head *is* a Phillips head.
>
> http://inventors.about.com/od/sstartinventions/a/screwdriver_2.htm
>
> Posidriv looks sorta like it but has the additional radial markings to
> differentiate the Posidriv head.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_F._Phillips

Also here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozidriv#Pozidriv

Erik

On Sat, 28 May 2011 14:24:15 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On May 27, 6:19 pm, Ignoramus6479 <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
>> screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
>> direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
>> pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>>
>> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
>> philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>>
>> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
>> screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>>
>> i
>
>Better drivers, Philips or straight, are hollow ground to
>prevent camout. You'll never see a wedge-ground straight
>tip for a power driver. Worn wedge-ground drivers can
>be hollow ground for the same benefit.
>
>Trivia -- the Philips in Sony-Philips, who invented the
>CD, is the same company that invented both the
>Philips driver and the compact audio cassette.

Really?

http://www.phillips-screw.com/

Pete C. wrote:
>
> For all kinds of fastener info:
>
> http://www.mcfeelys.com

Yea :-) That's what I said but spelled it wrong. :-)
...lew...

Ignoramus6479 wrote:
> There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
> screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
> direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
> pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>
> It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
> philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>
> My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
> screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>
> i
To begin with get your wood screws from McFeeleys.
That will solve all your problems.
...lew...

On Sat, 28 May 2011 20:30:58 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On May 28, 5:55 pm, "[email protected]"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 May 2011 14:26:40 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On May 27, 8:45 pm, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>> >> On 5/27/2011 5:19 PM, Ignoramus6479 wrote:
>>
>> >> > There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit the
>> >> > screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
>> >> > direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
>> >> > pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc.
>>
>> >> > It is not really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the
>> >> > philips hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit.
>>
>> >> > My question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
>> >> > screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
>>
>> >> > i
>>
>> >> As others have pointed out, you are probably not using the correct
>> >> driver on the what you assume may be a Phillips head screw.
>>
>> >> Drop that style screw altogether and use square head drive screws.  I
>> >> switched over 25 years ago.
>>
>> >For construction, they're great.  For fine work,
>> >Philips (or even slotted) head screws look better.
>>
>> I don't find trim-head screws with a #1 Robertson head any more
>> objectionable than other screws.  Slotted?  Ick!  I suppose you line
>> up all the slots, too.  ;-)- Hide quoted text -
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>
>Which would you prefer for setting hinges?

I don't think it would matter much, except it would *not* be slotted. If
you're talking about interior door hinges, given a choice, I'd probably use
Torx (exterior, certainly).

CaveLamb wrote:

> Ignoramus6479 wrote:
> > There are two kinds of Philips wood screws. The better ones fit
> > the screwdriver like hand and glove, stay on it and maintain the
> > direction. The "other kind" do not, they wiggle out and are a huge
> > pain to use to start holes in awkward positions, etc. It is not
> > really magic and it is clear why this is the case -- the philips
> > hole on the better ones is deeper and has a better fit. My
> > question is, rather, what is that mating called, if I order wood
> > screws online at mcMaster-Carr, what should I be looking for?
> >
> > i
>
>
> Are you sure you are not including "cross head" with "Phillips"?

Or pozidriv , they look similar but are a far better screw for head
grip , u need the correct bits though