>
> Well, since the roads were built for automobile traffic ....
In the US, all 50 states recognize bicycles as "vehicular traffic" and a
percentage of all federal road construction dollars are now supposed to
be used for pedestrian and bicycle access.
<http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/bikeped/index.htm>
<http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/pedbimot/bike/resourceguide/index.html>
I'm realistic enough not to "take" the right of way in front of 18
wheeler while wearing an "I have a right to the road" sign, but I
wouldn't make that statement to an accident investigator after a
car-bike crash. <G> I'm also realistic enough to know that cyclists
disobey laws as often as motorists, and that the right of way is
granted, not taken.
Barry
On 8-Feb-2005, "Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]> wrote:
> especially since the 5km ride is mostly uphill both ways.
Escher is the urban planner in your area?
Mike
In article <[email protected]>, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Well, since the roads were built for automobile traffic ....
*Paved* roads were originally built for bicycles since automobiles
didn't need them paved.
Gerry
In article <[email protected]>, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Sorry, just hit a sore spot with me, I live in an area near subdivisions
> where people think that a narrow, 2 lane road with very narrow shoulders is
> a great place to go riding.
Maybe there are FEW alternative routes for them to get to or from their
homes or their destinations. Could they be insensitive enough to be
actually using bicycles for transportation?
> This road also has blind curves where one coming around a corner
> could potentially hit a bicyclist travelling 25 MPH on a 40 MPH road
> in many cases, the bicyclists don't use the shoulder since the
> shoulder is barely there.
They can't be very competent drivers. God help them if there happens to
be a stationary object like a stopped car (fender bender?). Does your
"sore spot" allow pedestrians or are those drivers incapable of slowing
down even momentarily?
> The answer is *not* to penalize the people using the road for its
> *really* intended purpose by making the speed limit slower
What do you see as its "intended purpose"? Are you saying that
bicyclists were never part of the purpose and that it's OK to
"penalize" them instead?
> it is hoping that somehow these [drivers] would gain a
> bit of wisdom and courtesy and realize that a) they are endangering
> [bicyclists],
By substituting "drivers" and "bicyclists", I'm hoping to show you that
hurtling along in 4000 lbs. of steel and glass should require the
"wisdom and courtesy" you are seeking.
> and b) through their actions they are inconveniencing others,
> taking away time from those people who might also like to get home or get
> their business done so that they also can enjoy some recreational
> activities.
You resent "taking away time". What might they lose, twelve seconds per
cyclist? Maybe a whopping twenty seconds? Their dinners will still be
hot. Their TV show (Dr. Phil?) will still be on. They won't be losing
several hours a day from their busy lives, will they?
You need to get some perspective IMNSHO.
> Sorry, just hit a sore spot with me
Sorry, I think you have a hard on against bicyclists and are trying to
rationalise your dislike with a weak arguement.
Bicyclists are not all tree-hugging, yoghurt-eating,
Birkenstock-wearing nancy boys or superhuman athletes like Lance
Armstrong, they are everyday brothers, sisters, moms, dads, sons,
daughters... Cut them some slack.
Gerry
In article <[email protected]>, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Except in the 0.01% of places that actually have intelligently
> designed bike lanes and whatnot anyway.
The real shame is that where they have actually created intelligently
designed bike lanes, it's not too far behind that some dim bulbs get
together and manage to convince legislators to pass bylaws restricting
cyclists to bike lanes only.
Gerry
In article <[email protected]>, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote:
> other yuppies out there in their oh-so-manly lycra-spandex bike suits
How long have you had this fascination?
Gerry
"Steve Knight"
> my bike is my transportation. I even haul all of my lumber on a trailer. and I
> am lucky in that I don't have to travel busy roads (G) but hey thick of all the
> tool money you would Dave if you did not drive.
Think of the additional money you would have if you had
better transportation.
In article <[email protected]>, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote:
> one must make a a split second choice between driving over a
> slow-moving bicycle 2 feet into the right lane on a curve or swerving
> left into the oncoming path of another vehicle and causing a head-on
> collision --- that bothers me.
Driving is all about "split-second choices". If you can't handle those
choices, maybe you should get out of that hurtling hunk of steel and
glass BEFORE your incompetence kills someone - maybe even yourself.
> I've said my peace on this issue.
I've said my *piece* too.
Gerry
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:20:47 -0500, "G.E.R.R.Y."
<[email protected]> wrote:
>*Paved* roads were originally built for bicycles since automobiles
>didn't need them paved.
Paved roads were originally built for Romans - at least in my
neighbourhood.
<<< Snip >>>
>On the general topic though, some of you have probably seen that ad where
>the guy goes up to the lost & found desk with two jiggly pink blobby
>things. They turn out to be love handles. "Lots of people lose their love
>handles taking the stairs instead of the escalator."
>
>Well, I'm here to tell you it ain't so. When SWMBO was in the hospital, I
>visited umpty times a day, and I only took the elevator down on the day
>they released her. I could almost always walk past the people waiting at
>the elevator, another 50-100' or so down the hall, then up four flights of
>stairs, then back 50-100' to the elevator, to be walking past as the
>baffled people from the ground floor were emerging. "How the hell did you
>get up here so fast?"
<<< Snip >>>
Unfortunately, the stress of your wife being in the hospital probably
had a lot to do with that. I've heard more than a few times that
stress makes it a lot harder to lose weight.
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:13:59 GMT, Jim Behning
<[email protected]> wrote:
>You live in the desert where there are many blind turns and lots of
>bicyclists out on Saturday and Sunday mornings? The few deserts I have
>been to are sort of deserted and the roads are pretty straight unless
>going through some canyons. Since it is the desert the population
>appeared to be about a house every 20-30 miles. How much traffic can
>you encounter in your desert?
>
Yeah, I live on the outskirts of a city that people built in the desert.
They wanted to mine the ores nearby and found a reasonably green area
between the Catalina and Tucson mountains, along a river bed. Rocky hills
plus river bed = winding roads. The city of Tucson is around 800k people
this time of year (snowbirds + college students + gem & mineral show
attendees + permanent residents)
>You feel that you never cause inconvenience to anyone. If I walk up to
>the checkout counter at the grocery store and you are in front of me,
>I feel you should move out of my way because I am going to have to
>waste 5 minutes waiting for the checkout person to scan your Oreos,
>Lays, Budweiser and other food. If people are using the roads for
>their legal use then you don't have a lot of room to fuss. Heck I bet
>you waste at least 5 minutes a day listening to your wife complain.
>How often are you allowed to tell her to shut up because she is
>wasting your precious time?
Obviously the point was wasted on you. You obviously feel that a
conveyance that can at best, travel about half the speed of normal traffic
has every bit as much right to use as much of the road as it wants to
regardless of who it inconveniences.
... snip
>Roads were built for horse and buggy traffic. They were paved along
>the way. Maybe you need to move up to Indiana, Ohio or Pennsylvania
>where you have the Amish on the road with their buggies trotting at 20
>miles an hour and pooping to boot. Then you can fuss about not being
>able to pass. The interstates were built for emergency wartime landing
>strips for air defense planes with the original specs for so many
>miles of straight sections so large planes can land. I bet a lot of
>interstates cannot accomodate those fighter planes now. ANother reason
>was of interstate traffic which they do a pretty good job of. Heck in
>some less populated areas of the country they even allow cyclists on
>the interstates. I bet that wigs you out when you are cruising through
>your desert on the interstate.
>
If they are on the shoulder, well away from cars, doesn't bother me a
bit.
In actuality, the inconvenience is only a secondary consideration in this
whole discussion. My main issue is frankly the safety issue. It just
seems totally irrational to me that people, for enjoyment, put themselves
in a position where they are doing half the speed of the prevailing
traffic, put themselves in situations where they may not be seen by that
traffic, and are the ones who are going to lose, and lose bigtime, if they
wind up interacting in a negative way with that traffic. I don't want to be
the person that such an event happens to; the circumstance where one must
make a a split second choice between driving over a slow-moving bicycle 2
feet into the right lane on a curve or swerving left into the oncoming path
of another vehicle and causing a head-on collision --- that bothers me.
At the same time, other folks who have riding hobbies somehow manage to
pack up their vehicles or animals and drive someplace that accomodates
those vehicles in a safe manner.
I've said my peace on this issue.
>
>
>
>Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:22:24 GMT, Jim Behning
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:42:02 -0600, "Todd Fatheree" <[email protected]>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>>> On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:42:55 +0000, "Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>... snip
>>>>>I
... snip
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On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:12:45 GMT, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Anyway, I hate escalators. They're too slow.
>
>Sometimes they are over loaded. LOL
>
>I am entertained by the moving sidewalks at the many of the air ports.
>Trying to keep up with the people riding them will give you a work out.
>
>
I really like the moving sidewalks. I've always been a fast walker, get
walking on one of those things and you can flat-out fly down the concourse
:-)
Most airports I've been in have a "walk left, stand right" policy that
most people are pretty good at following.
>
>
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Steve Knight wrote:
> http://matt-massie.com/archives/images/24fitness.jpg
> I really cracked up with this picture.
Escalators. Outside. Escalators outside? Escalators OUTside?
<shakes head in bafflement>
Must be some left coast thing. A climate where it doesn't rain much, and
only snows a few times a century.
Anyway, I hate escalators. They're too slow.
On the general topic though, some of you have probably seen that ad where
the guy goes up to the lost & found desk with two jiggly pink blobby
things. They turn out to be love handles. "Lots of people lose their love
handles taking the stairs instead of the escalator."
Well, I'm here to tell you it ain't so. When SWMBO was in the hospital, I
visited umpty times a day, and I only took the elevator down on the day
they released her. I could almost always walk past the people waiting at
the elevator, another 50-100' or so down the hall, then up four flights of
stairs, then back 50-100' to the elevator, to be walking past as the
baffled people from the ground floor were emerging. "How the hell did you
get up here so fast?"
I bought a pedometer, and I was logging 10,000 steps a day easy.
It didn't do jack shit for my love handles, or my weight either one. All it
did was further carve my already sculpted legs. Sculpted legs with a big
blob of Hank Hill grafted on top. I'm a truck driver. I can leg press 500
pounds (or I could if my damn sorry ass knees were up for the strain) but
above the waist I'm a bowl full of jelly.
My love handles are still firmly attached. I have legs that would make any
leg wimminz (there are leg men, so there must be leg wimminz, right?) get
all gah-gah, but everything north of there looks terrible. It's extremely
depressing. (Well, my forearms are sculpted nicely too. Not quite Popeye,
but getting in that neighborhood. I don't want to talk about my biceps
though.)
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B a r r y wrote:
> percentage of all federal road construction dollars are now supposed to
> disobey laws as often as motorists, and that the right of way is
> granted, not taken.
I have no problem with the theory, but in practice, it just doesn't work.
If you're *in* the road, you're in the way. It's hard to even *idle* a car
at the same speed an average bike is moving. That means you need to get
off to the side, but there isn't any place to ride off to the side in the
vast vast majority of situations, so you're left either trying to run up
the gravel, or run up the narrow strip of pavement on the gravel side of
the solid white line. Either way, it's dangerous, and you're still too
damn close to the traffic. People generally will move over a little when
they can, but they often can't, and they often don't even when they could
have. It all adds up to making cycling on public roads look like one of
the most suicidal endeavors ever invented. Except in the 0.01% of places
that actually have intelligently designed bike lanes and whatnot anyway.
None of that around here, so I either walk or drive. I feel that when I'm
walking, I can dodge faster, and more safely. Walking feels comparatively
secure, while riding a bike feels like I've got a target painted on my
back. Oh well, walking is good too. Easier on the knees too. Pedalling
up these hills around here is absolute hell on my knees.
I had a lot of fun on my bike while the highway was being built though.
Dirt at first, then pavement mixed with gravel and dirt, then mostly
pavement, then eventually full blown pavement with lines and everything. I
bought a speedometer so I could see how far I rode and stuff. It was cool
getting on my bike at the top of the hill in one town and then pedalling
like a bastard for awhile, getting the thing up to about 45 mph, and then
coasting the rest of the way up and down a few more hills until I wound up
in the next town. Going right down the dotted white line. That was so
cool.
Until they opened the highway up.
(Actually, 45 mph was too fast for that Wal-Mart special. It felt like I
was going to wreck if I ran over a flea, so I only did that a couple of
times.)
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Steve Knight wrote:
>
>>None of that around here, so I either walk or drive. I feel that when I'm
>>walking, I can dodge faster, and more safely. Walking feels comparatively
>>secure, while riding a bike feels like I've got a target painted on my
>>back. Oh well, walking is good too. Easier on the knees too. Pedalling
>>up these hills around here is absolute hell on my knees.
>
> got to learn to gear right and spin so you don't hurt you knee's.
It don't go no lower than the big super spinny pedal 13,000 times per one
revolution of the wheel gear, and that ain't low enough for my knees.
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You know, I'm a little miffed that nobody commiserated with me about walking
my ass off on those stairs, and still having the damn love handles.
On the day she went in for some test thing, I walked the entire perimeter of
the hospital property, in the snow, about 27 times. Must have been five
miles or better. At a really good "heart pumping cardio pace." But still
bupkis. I haven't lost one ounce. Dammit.
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OldNick wrote:
>>feel manly naked! Besides, some of the women I ride with look
>>incredible in those shorts. <G>
>
> And tho do _ewyou_ thweety!
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
Although, while we're getting into obnoxious ground on cyclist gear and
stuff, I hate those shorts. Not because they accentuate the negative
(because everything below the love handles looks pretty good) but because I
don't enjoy applying 357,000 psi of spandex pressure to my nuts. Ouch.
Those things HURT.
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On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 06:52:00 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Barss
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>: Sorry, just hit a sore spot with me, I live in an area near subdivisions
>: where people think that a narrow, 2 lane road with very narrow shoulders is
>: a great place to go riding. This road also has blind curves where one
>: coming around a corner could potentially hit a bicyclist travelling 25 MPH
>: on a 40 MPH road in many cases, the bicyclists don't use the shoulder since
>: the shoulder is barely there. The answer is *not* to penalize the people
>: using the road for its *really* intended purpose by making the speed limit
>: slower, it is hoping that somehow these recreational riders would gain a
>: bit of wisdom and courtesy and realize that a) they are endangering
>: themselves, and b) through their actions they are inconveniencing others,
>: taking away time from those people who might also like to get home or get
>: their business done so that they also can enjoy some recreational
>: activities.
>
>
>
>What vehicle do you drive?
>
> -Andy Barss
>
Unless it's a motorcycle, what difference does that make?
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On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:20:56 -0700, the inscrutable Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> spake:
>On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:12:45 GMT, "Leon" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> Anyway, I hate escalators. They're too slow.
>>
>>Sometimes they are over loaded. LOL
>>
>>I am entertained by the moving sidewalks at the many of the air ports.
>>Trying to keep up with the people riding them will give you a work out.
>
> I really like the moving sidewalks. I've always been a fast walker, get
>walking on one of those things and you can flat-out fly down the concourse
>:-)
Yeah, those are fun and can get up to 12mph. I walk fast, too, and get
half my exercise that way. I walked while my parents rode a cart and
we arrived, nearly half a mile later (LAX), at about the same time.
I've found that loud whistling moves people quicker than the repeated
EXCUSE MEs and COMIN' THRUs.
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On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:42:55 +0000, "Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:26:45 +0000, B a r r y wrote:
>
>> Steve Knight wrote:
>>> http://matt-massie.com/archives/images/24fitness.jpg
>>> I really cracked up with this picture.
>>
>> I've seen people waiting for the front row parking spots at my gym.
>>
>> I've also fought with two gyms over a lack of bicycle parking. The
>> first gym suggested that no one was interested in riding a bicycle to
>> the gym, as the gym had stationary bikes. <G>
>>
>> My current place accommodated me, there are now 4 others who cycle to
>> the gym! We get our cardio on the way to the gym, rather than in it.
>
>After a couple of months of going to the gym, I realized the absurdity of
>driving there and then spending 20 minutes on an exercise bicycle or
>treadmill, especially since the 5km ride is mostly uphill both ways. But I
>did wimp out this winter despite having studded tires on my bike. Don't
>trust the drivers.
Well, since the roads were built for automobile traffic ....
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>FWIW, I frequently use my bikes as genuine transportation. I'm actually
>going somewhere else, including my office. I'm often dressed in spandex
>on these rides, too, for performance and comfort reasons. Maybe I
>should start wearing a sign stating my recreational vs. transportation
>intent?
my bike is my transportation. I even haul all of my lumber on a trailer. and I
am lucky in that I don't have to travel busy roads (G) but hey thick of all the
tool money you would Dave if you did not drive.
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Steve Knight wrote:
> http://matt-massie.com/archives/images/24fitness.jpg
> I really cracked up with this picture.
I've seen people waiting for the front row parking spots at my gym.
I've also fought with two gyms over a lack of bicycle parking. The
first gym suggested that no one was interested in riding a bicycle to
the gym, as the gym had stationary bikes. <G>
My current place accommodated me, there are now 4 others who cycle to
the gym! We get our cardio on the way to the gym, rather than in it.
Barry
Larry Jaques wrote:
>>bupkis. I haven't lost one ounce. Dammit.
> I dropped 20 lbs the month I was on it and will be doing it again,
> RSN. I felt a WHOLE lot better, too.
Yeah but that (interesting stuff) isn't commissserrration dammit. How the
hell do you splee commissserrrattttttionnnnnnnnn anyway? I think I have
too many consonants in it.
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>Think of the additional money you would have if you had
>better transportation.
>
>
How is having a car and paying all those huge expenses going to get me more
money?
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:54:26 -0500, the inscrutable Silvan
<[email protected]> spake:
>You know, I'm a little miffed that nobody commiserated with me about walking
>my ass off on those stairs, and still having the damn love handles.
>
>On the day she went in for some test thing, I walked the entire perimeter of
>the hospital property, in the snow, about 27 times. Must have been five
>miles or better. At a really good "heart pumping cardio pace." But still
>bupkis. I haven't lost one ounce. Dammit.
http://isbn.nu/093347816X The Yeast Connection Cookbook: A Guide to
Good Nutrition and Better Health. From $4.
Discusses food allergies and nutrition, and shares healthful recipes
for breads, soups, salads, fish, vegetables, meat, poultry, and
desserts.
by William G. Crook, M. D.; Marjorie Hurt Jones, R. N.
Editions: Paperback (Professional Books, August 1, 1989), revised
edition, cover price $15.95
I dropped 20 lbs the month I was on it and will be doing it again,
RSN. I felt a WHOLE lot better, too.
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Hilarious.
Christopher Horner wrote:
> Rick wrote:
>
>> "Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> Steve Knight wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> http://matt-massie.com/archives/images/24fitness.jpg
>>>> I really cracked up with this picture.
>>>
>>>
>>> Escalators. Outside. Escalators outside? Escalators OUTside?
>>> <shakes head in bafflement>
>>
>>
>>
>> Can you say Photoshop?
>>
>
> Yeah, but not this time.
>
>> Uneven and inaccurate shadows, stairs receiving full sunlight and
>> escalators
>> aren't (despite the bright "sunshine" on left side rail support), uneven
>> blending around escalator base.
>>
>
> I once lived a few miles up the road from this shopping center and we
> all got a good laugh at the irony of the elevator. It's on Midway Drive
> in Point Loma, just north of downtown San Diego.
>
> Imagined artifacts notwithstanding, here's another picture with a bit
> more context:
>
> http://home.sandiego.edu/~bschoch/pictures/gym.jpg
>
>> Ah, the artful troll.
>>
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
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Mark & Juanita wrote:
> Sorry, just hit a sore spot with me, I live in an area near subdivisions
> where people think that a narrow, 2 lane road with very narrow shoulders is
> a great place to go riding. This road also has blind curves where one
> coming around a corner could potentially hit a bicyclist travelling 25 MPH
> on a 40 MPH road in many cases, the bicyclists don't use the shoulder since
> the shoulder is barely there.
What's the speed limit on that curve? Not what's normally driven, the
legal limit?
Barry
Lazarus Long wrote:
> I guess the only thing they can see is the business plan and not the
> results the customers are looking for. :( Kinda sad. Which gym is
> that? Might be a place to avoid.
Both are local onesie-twosie Connecticut places. I started avoiding
large gym chains in 1989.
The place that made an effort is Wow Fitness. The one that didn't is
formerly known as Champions. The only upside of Champions is that you
can get ice time year-round.
Barry
Rick wrote:
> "Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Steve Knight wrote:
>>
>>
>>>http://matt-massie.com/archives/images/24fitness.jpg
>>>I really cracked up with this picture.
>>
>>Escalators. Outside. Escalators outside? Escalators OUTside?
>><shakes head in bafflement>
>
>
> Can you say Photoshop?
>
Yeah, but not this time.
> Uneven and inaccurate shadows, stairs receiving full sunlight and escalators
> aren't (despite the bright "sunshine" on left side rail support), uneven
> blending around escalator base.
>
I once lived a few miles up the road from this shopping center and we
all got a good laugh at the irony of the elevator. It's on Midway Drive
in Point Loma, just north of downtown San Diego.
Imagined artifacts notwithstanding, here's another picture with a bit
more context:
http://home.sandiego.edu/~bschoch/pictures/gym.jpg
> Ah, the artful troll.
>
>
> Rick
>
>
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Anyway, I hate escalators. They're too slow.
Sometimes they are over loaded. LOL
I am entertained by the moving sidewalks at the many of the air ports.
Trying to keep up with the people riding them will give you a work out.
"Christopher Horner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > Can you say Photoshop?
> >
>
> Yeah, but not this time.
>
I was certain that was photoshopped ... but I was wrong. Thanks for clearing
that up.
Regards,
Rick
"Steve Knight" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> http://matt-massie.com/archives/images/24fitness.jpg
> I really cracked up with this picture.
Hey that is the new multi person "Stair Climber". It runs in reverse. LOL
> --
> Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes
> Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
> See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:08:25 -0800, Tim Douglass
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:12:45 GMT, "Leon"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> Anyway, I hate escalators. They're too slow.
>>
>>Sometimes they are over loaded. LOL
>>
>>I am entertained by the moving sidewalks at the many of the air ports.
>>Trying to keep up with the people riding them will give you a work out.
>
> A lot of airports have one side of the moving sidewalks reserved for
> people who want to walk with the other side for those who want to
> ride. I was always a walker, and since I walk fast anyway, I could
> make pretty good time down one of those things.
>
Here's the tale of a Manhattan marketing wonk who joined an excercise
class lead by a SEAL instructor.
Just in case anyone who lives in the NYC area needs help with their New
Years resolutions.
http://www.shankman.com/sealpt.html
Enjoy!
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Steve Knight wrote:
>
>> http://matt-massie.com/archives/images/24fitness.jpg
>> I really cracked up with this picture.
>
> It's funny, but realistically odds are that the building was something
> else
> before it was a gym and it's cheaper to keep the escalators than to tear
> them out out and if they're not running then that gives a sense of
> disrepair.
That may very well be the case. The last guy on is taking a step and not
holding on. Looks like he may not be riding. LOL
"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:42:55 +0000, "Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:26:45 +0000, B a r r y wrote:
> >
> >> Steve Knight wrote:
> >>> http://matt-massie.com/archives/images/24fitness.jpg
> >>> I really cracked up with this picture.
> >>
> >> I've seen people waiting for the front row parking spots at my gym.
> >>
> >> I've also fought with two gyms over a lack of bicycle parking. The
> >> first gym suggested that no one was interested in riding a bicycle to
> >> the gym, as the gym had stationary bikes. <G>
> >>
> >> My current place accommodated me, there are now 4 others who cycle to
> >> the gym! We get our cardio on the way to the gym, rather than in it.
> >
> >After a couple of months of going to the gym, I realized the absurdity of
> >driving there and then spending 20 minutes on an exercise bicycle or
> >treadmill, especially since the 5km ride is mostly uphill both ways. But
I
> >did wimp out this winter despite having studded tires on my bike. Don't
> >trust the drivers.
>
> Well, since the roads were built for automobile traffic ....
Actually, most states have laws on the books that state that bicycles are
"intended users" of the road system.
todd
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:34:18 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Although, while we're getting into obnoxious ground on cyclist gear and
>stuff, I hate those shorts. Not because they accentuate the negative
>(because everything below the love handles looks pretty good) but because I
>don't enjoy applying 357,000 psi of spandex pressure to my nuts. Ouch.
>Those things HURT.
Try the right size! <G> Bibs are a bit more comfortable everywhere
else.
You could also try "baggies". These are shorts similar to camping
shorts, with a moisture transferring spandex liner and chamois inside.
Like this: <http://store1.yimg.com/I/zootstore_1828_19464299>
Baggies aren't all that comfortable on road bikes, but on more upright
and slower moving mountain, hybrid, and comfort bikes, they're great.
On road bikes, they tend to interfere with low, aero positions, make
adding and subtracting layers harder, and flap in the wind.
Barry
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:41:04 GMT, B a r r y
<[email protected]> vaguely proposed a
theory
......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email
>I guess my manlyness certainly doesn't come from my clothes, as I even
>feel manly naked! Besides, some of the women I ride with look
>incredible in those shorts. <G>
And tho do _ewyou_ thweety!
Steve Knight wrote:
> http://matt-massie.com/archives/images/24fitness.jpg
> I really cracked up with this picture.
It's funny, but realistically odds are that the building was something else
before it was a gym and it's cheaper to keep the escalators than to tear
them out out and if they're not running then that gives a sense of
disrepair.
OTOH, I like the idea of running them both down--they'd be a workout going
in and when you've worn yourself out in the gym then they'd be a relief
coming out.
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
: Sorry, just hit a sore spot with me, I live in an area near subdivisions
: where people think that a narrow, 2 lane road with very narrow shoulders is
: a great place to go riding. This road also has blind curves where one
: coming around a corner could potentially hit a bicyclist travelling 25 MPH
: on a 40 MPH road in many cases, the bicyclists don't use the shoulder since
: the shoulder is barely there. The answer is *not* to penalize the people
: using the road for its *really* intended purpose by making the speed limit
: slower, it is hoping that somehow these recreational riders would gain a
: bit of wisdom and courtesy and realize that a) they are endangering
: themselves, and b) through their actions they are inconveniencing others,
: taking away time from those people who might also like to get home or get
: their business done so that they also can enjoy some recreational
: activities.
What vehicle do you drive?
-Andy Barss
J. Clarke wrote:
> Steve Knight wrote:
>
>
>>http://matt-massie.com/archives/images/24fitness.jpg
>>I really cracked up with this picture.
>
>
> It's funny, but realistically odds are that the building was something else
> before it was a gym and it's cheaper to keep the escalators than to tear
> them out out and if they're not running then that gives a sense of
> disrepair.
>
> OTOH, I like the idea of running them both down--they'd be a workout going
> in and when you've worn yourself out in the gym then they'd be a relief
> coming out.
That's a good idea. But right now, the place looks like it offers
Segways to its members to enable them to move through their routines
more efficiently.
Which gives us the spectacle of obese people on Segways, spinning around
like Baron Harkonnen from _Dune_...
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:26:45 GMT, B a r r y
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Steve Knight wrote:
>> http://matt-massie.com/archives/images/24fitness.jpg
>> I really cracked up with this picture.
>
>I've seen people waiting for the front row parking spots at my gym.
>
>I've also fought with two gyms over a lack of bicycle parking. The
>first gym suggested that no one was interested in riding a bicycle to
>the gym, as the gym had stationary bikes. <G>
>
>My current place accommodated me, there are now 4 others who cycle to
>the gym! We get our cardio on the way to the gym, rather than in it.
>
>Barry
Can't blame them, from a business standpoint... unless you're a life member,
it's not it their interest for you to get in shape on the WAY there...
Hell, if I owned the gym, I'd probably open a donut shop out front.. lol
mac
Please remove splinters before emailing
In article <[email protected]>,
Jim Behning <[email protected]> wrote:
> About the
> only safe time to ride is Sunday mornings but that is quite dangerous
> with the Baptists hellbent on getting to church to talk about love as
> they run folks off the road. If you can dodge the Baptists or
> Presbyterians or Methodists or Lutherans you can have an ok Sunday
> morning ride. The Seventh Day Adventists are not much of an issue.
Ahhhh... beware of the Religious Right-of-Way!
You cracked me up, Jim..thanks for that.
0?0
Rob
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:42:02 -0600, "Todd Fatheree" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:42:55 +0000, "Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:26:45 +0000, B a r r y wrote:
>> >
>> >> Steve Knight wrote:
>> >>> http://matt-massie.com/archives/images/24fitness.jpg
>> >>> I really cracked up with this picture.
>> >>
>> >> I've seen people waiting for the front row parking spots at my gym.
>> >>
>> >> I've also fought with two gyms over a lack of bicycle parking. The
>> >> first gym suggested that no one was interested in riding a bicycle to
>> >> the gym, as the gym had stationary bikes. <G>
>> >>
>> >> My current place accommodated me, there are now 4 others who cycle to
>> >> the gym! We get our cardio on the way to the gym, rather than in it.
>> >
>> >After a couple of months of going to the gym, I realized the absurdity of
>> >driving there and then spending 20 minutes on an exercise bicycle or
>> >treadmill, especially since the 5km ride is mostly uphill both ways. But
>I
>> >did wimp out this winter despite having studded tires on my bike. Don't
>> >trust the drivers.
>>
>> Well, since the roads were built for automobile traffic ....
>
>Actually, most states have laws on the books that state that bicycles are
>"intended users" of the road system.
>
>todd
Yes, I know those laws are on the books. Doesn't change the fact that
bicycles travel 10 to 20 mph below normal traffic speed, are at an extreme
disadvantage, particularly on blind curves and are always going to be on
the losing side of any encounter with a car.
Sorry, just hit a sore spot with me, I live in an area near subdivisions
where people think that a narrow, 2 lane road with very narrow shoulders is
a great place to go riding. This road also has blind curves where one
coming around a corner could potentially hit a bicyclist travelling 25 MPH
on a 40 MPH road in many cases, the bicyclists don't use the shoulder since
the shoulder is barely there. The answer is *not* to penalize the people
using the road for its *really* intended purpose by making the speed limit
slower, it is hoping that somehow these recreational riders would gain a
bit of wisdom and courtesy and realize that a) they are endangering
themselves, and b) through their actions they are inconveniencing others,
taking away time from those people who might also like to get home or get
their business done so that they also can enjoy some recreational
activities.
>
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
The absence of accidents does not mean the presence of safety
Army General Richard Cody
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Touche.
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 22:04:09 -0800, Steve Knight
<[email protected]> wrote:
>http://matt-massie.com/archives/images/24fitness.jpg
>I really cracked up with this picture.
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:22:24 GMT, Jim Behning
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:42:02 -0600, "Todd Fatheree" <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:42:55 +0000, "Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
... snip
>>>I
>>>> >did wimp out this winter despite having studded tires on my bike. Don't
>>>> >trust the drivers.
>>>>
>>>> Well, since the roads were built for automobile traffic ....
>>>
>>>Actually, most states have laws on the books that state that bicycles are
>>>"intended users" of the road system.
>>>
>>>todd
>>
>> Yes, I know those laws are on the books. Doesn't change the fact that
>>bicycles travel 10 to 20 mph below normal traffic speed, are at an extreme
>>disadvantage, particularly on blind curves and are always going to be on
>>the losing side of any encounter with a car.
>>
>> Sorry, just hit a sore spot with me, I live in an area near subdivisions
>>where people think that a narrow, 2 lane road with very narrow shoulders is
>>a great place to go riding. This road also has blind curves where one
>>coming around a corner could potentially hit a bicyclist travelling 25 MPH
>>on a 40 MPH road in many cases, the bicyclists don't use the shoulder since
>>the shoulder is barely there. The answer is *not* to penalize the people
>>using the road for its *really* intended purpose by making the speed limit
>>slower, it is hoping that somehow these recreational riders would gain a
>>bit of wisdom and courtesy and realize that a) they are endangering
>>themselves, and b) through their actions they are inconveniencing others,
>>taking away time from those people who might also like to get home or get
>>their business done so that they also can enjoy some recreational
>>activities.
>>
>Where I live in Georgia I have to deal with tractors going down the
>road. They sometimes go slower than the cyclists. I deal with cow crap
>from cow hauling trailers. There used to be farming where you lived
>20-30 years ago pre yuppy scum days.
>
I live in the desert, wasn't much farming where I live, it was all desert
ranchland or wasteland. Try again.
>Is it possible that your driving of your car is taking away from the
>rights of those who might want to enjoy their recreational acticvities
>but are intimidated by you driving 50 in a 40 zone?
What about my driving 45 in a 45 zone? While they are doing, to be
generous, 20.
> Are the rights of
>an automobile driver or drivers greater than that of the other
>taxpayers who may not be in a car?
Why were the roads built? What was the intended purpose? Not what some
activists got passed into law later, but the real, intended reason for
building paved two lane roads?
Or, by your logic, I should be perfectly justified riding a 4 wheeler
down that same road. After all, I'm a taxpayer who is using that road I
helped build. Guess what, anybody doing that gets ticketed -- they have to
ride those vehicles in approved areas.
> Not all roads are built with
>automobile fuel tax dollars. Riding where you live stinks. About the
>only safe time to ride is Sunday mornings but that is quite dangerous
>with the Baptists hellbent on getting to church to talk about love as
>they run folks off the road. If you can dodge the Baptists or
>Presbyterians or Methodists or Lutherans you can have an ok Sunday
>morning ride. The Seventh Day Adventists are not much of an issue.
>
That's funny, seems there are equal numbers of bicyclists out both
Saturdays and Sundays.
>Bicyclists are not required to ride on the shoulder. State law. Most
>Georgia roads don't have shoulders as an option. Have you lobbied your
>state and local representatives for shoulders on the road without
>wakeup cuts so that you can fly home without runners and cyclists in
>your way?
Wouldn't do any good, the more developed areas nearby have bike lanes,
bicyclists don't use any part of them other than the 3 inches closest to
the automobile lane.
> Don't forget to lobby for sidewalks which allow kids a safe
>way to get around as well as old folks out for strolls trying to
>recover from years of driving cars.
>
>Waiting a minute or a few minutes to get around a tractor or cyclists
>or old folks driving slow only kills someone if they pass stupidly.
.. a tractor or a car with old folks are people out there using the road
as intended -- the one is using it for livelihood, the other to get from
place to place, and time has caught up with them vis a vis reaction times
or just the way they always used to live. It may be an inconvenience, but
it's unavoidable, they aren't out there deliberately inconveniencing
others.
>you got 1440 minutes in the day. 2 minutes does not have to ruin your
>day.
... and that illustrates my point regarding courtesy perfectly. That 2
minutes is *not* *your* two minutes to take away from me or any other
person. Your two minutes, plus the half dozen to a dozen other yuppies out
there in their oh-so-manly lycra-spandex bike suits each taking their two
minutes starts adding up to a pretty decent chunk of time. Doesn't matter
much though whether it's 30 seconds or two minutes, if you are needlessly
inconveniencing someone else, it's still discourteous. As I mentioned
above, other recreational riders have to pursue their fun in suitable
places, why is this situation different, just because a few activists were
able to convince some legislators?
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
The absence of accidents does not mean the presence of safety
Army General Richard Cody
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
In article <[email protected]>,
Steve Knight <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://matt-massie.com/archives/images/24fitness.jpg
> I really cracked up with this picture.
>
Of course we can't tell if there are other businesses up on the plateau.
And not everyone who goes to a fitness center is there to exercise.
--
Hank Gillette
Mark & Juanita wrote:
> It may be an inconvenience, but
> it's unavoidable, they aren't out there deliberately inconveniencing
> others.
Are you kidding? <G> "Deliberately inconveniencing others"?
Few cyclists LIKE riding roads like you describe, but they HAVE TO in
order to get to the more desirable roads. Many road cyclists go 50,60,
75, or more, miles on a good weekend ride. We would LOVE to stay out of
your way, but often have zero choice when connecting one area to another.
Should they load up the car and drive from 5 mile loop to 5 mile loop?
Ride in circles on a running track?
> plus the half dozen to a dozen other yuppies out
> there in their oh-so-manly lycra-spandex bike suits
Those suits are incredibly comfortable and functional. If you got out
much, you'd see cross country skiers, ice skaters, climbers, and long
distance runners in similar clothing. Even major league baseball,
football, and basketball players are discovering how well this stuff
works. As a 40 year old, 6'1", 230 pound man who also plays hockey,
downhill mountain bikes, uses power tools, lifts weights, etc... I've
never felt less than manly wearing jeans, hockey pants, or spandex bike
shorts.
I guess my manlyness certainly doesn't come from my clothes, as I even
feel manly naked! Besides, some of the women I ride with look
incredible in those shorts. <G>
FWIW, I frequently use my bikes as genuine transportation. I'm actually
going somewhere else, including my office. I'm often dressed in spandex
on these rides, too, for performance and comfort reasons. Maybe I
should start wearing a sign stating my recreational vs. transportation
intent?
Barry
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:33:17 -0800, Steve Knight
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>FWIW, I frequently use my bikes as genuine transportation. I'm actually
>>going somewhere else, including my office. I'm often dressed in spandex
>>on these rides, too, for performance and comfort reasons. Maybe I
>>should start wearing a sign stating my recreational vs. transportation
>>intent?
>
>my bike is my transportation. I even haul all of my lumber on a trailer. and I
>am lucky in that I don't have to travel busy roads (G) but hey thick of all the
>tool money you would Dave if you did not drive.
Steve,
I recognize that for some people a bicycle is their sole
transportation. That's a somewhat different situation. However, I would
hope that people in that situation also recognize that there are routes
that really are not a safe place to ride for that transportation.
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
The absence of accidents does not mean the presence of safety
Army General Richard Cody
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
The answer is *not* to penalize the people
>using the road for its *really* intended purpose by making the speed limit
>slower, it is hoping that somehow these recreational riders would gain a
>bit of wisdom and courtesy and realize that a) they are endangering
>themselves, and b) through their actions they are inconveniencing others,
>taking away time from those people who might also like to get home or get
>their business done so that they also can enjoy some recreational
>activities.
god forbid if someone makes a driver a bit late. Hell I can't even cross the
street as drivers won't stop turning right. How many times have I had to jump
out of the way of some driver who did not yield the right of way when it was
time for me to cross?
try riding a bike then you will get your recreational activities and relive
some stress your getting yourself under.
--
Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes
Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.
You live in the desert where there are many blind turns and lots of
bicyclists out on Saturday and Sunday mornings? The few deserts I have
been to are sort of deserted and the roads are pretty straight unless
going through some canyons. Since it is the desert the population
appeared to be about a house every 20-30 miles. How much traffic can
you encounter in your desert?
You feel that you never cause inconvenience to anyone. If I walk up to
the checkout counter at the grocery store and you are in front of me,
I feel you should move out of my way because I am going to have to
waste 5 minutes waiting for the checkout person to scan your Oreos,
Lays, Budweiser and other food. If people are using the roads for
their legal use then you don't have a lot of room to fuss. Heck I bet
you waste at least 5 minutes a day listening to your wife complain.
How often are you allowed to tell her to shut up because she is
wasting your precious time?
You find it embarassing to see a person wearing clothing appropriate
to the activity. There is nothing wrong with dressing like the Amish.
Nothing wrong with wearing colorful clothing either. Do you also look
down on the olympic skier or swimmer because they are not embarrased
about their body and are wearing clothes to optimize their performance
and comfort? That seems about as silly as someone saying you are a
fool for wearing jeans and a sweatshirt while working in the shop
because those splinters could get you. You should be wearing leather
or kevlar pants and jacket to protect you from kickback, stray chisel,
splinters. Wearing anything else shows your ignorance. ;-)
Roads were built for horse and buggy traffic. They were paved along
the way. Maybe you need to move up to Indiana, Ohio or Pennsylvania
where you have the Amish on the road with their buggies trotting at 20
miles an hour and pooping to boot. Then you can fuss about not being
able to pass. The interstates were built for emergency wartime landing
strips for air defense planes with the original specs for so many
miles of straight sections so large planes can land. I bet a lot of
interstates cannot accomodate those fighter planes now. ANother reason
was of interstate traffic which they do a pretty good job of. Heck in
some less populated areas of the country they even allow cyclists on
the interstates. I bet that wigs you out when you are cruising through
your desert on the interstate.
In the USA we subsidize everything. I paid almost $20,000 in easy to
trace taxes. That does not includes sales taxes. What do I get? Well I
get subsidized fuel for my vehicles, I get subsidized groceries, I get
subsidized roads, (I don't use toll roads very often), I have clean
water, I get subsidized air travel, I get subsidized healthcare for
my "less fortunate" neighbors. I guess you can complain about anything
but it is nothing but easy street here in the USA. If you really want
to see life and want a reason to complain go someplace where they
wonder if the evil dictator is going to test his poison gas on your
town or if you sister is going to be raped and tortured. I try to
remember that I have a house and a car and groceries. I have a good
life. I can accomodate some minor inconveniences. I just wonder why
others think that a few minutes here and there is so horrid.
Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:22:24 GMT, Jim Behning
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:42:02 -0600, "Todd Fatheree" <[email protected]>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>> On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:42:55 +0000, "Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>... snip
>>>>I
>>>>> >did wimp out this winter despite having studded tires on my bike. Don't
>>>>> >trust the drivers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, since the roads were built for automobile traffic ....
>>>>
>>>>Actually, most states have laws on the books that state that bicycles are
>>>>"intended users" of the road system.
>>>>
>>>>todd
>>>
>>> Yes, I know those laws are on the books. Doesn't change the fact that
>>>bicycles travel 10 to 20 mph below normal traffic speed, are at an extreme
>>>disadvantage, particularly on blind curves and are always going to be on
>>>the losing side of any encounter with a car.
>>>
>>> Sorry, just hit a sore spot with me, I live in an area near subdivisions
>>>where people think that a narrow, 2 lane road with very narrow shoulders is
>>>a great place to go riding. This road also has blind curves where one
>>>coming around a corner could potentially hit a bicyclist travelling 25 MPH
>>>on a 40 MPH road in many cases, the bicyclists don't use the shoulder since
>>>the shoulder is barely there. The answer is *not* to penalize the people
>>>using the road for its *really* intended purpose by making the speed limit
>>>slower, it is hoping that somehow these recreational riders would gain a
>>>bit of wisdom and courtesy and realize that a) they are endangering
>>>themselves, and b) through their actions they are inconveniencing others,
>>>taking away time from those people who might also like to get home or get
>>>their business done so that they also can enjoy some recreational
>>>activities.
>>>
>>Where I live in Georgia I have to deal with tractors going down the
>>road. They sometimes go slower than the cyclists. I deal with cow crap
>>from cow hauling trailers. There used to be farming where you lived
>>20-30 years ago pre yuppy scum days.
>>
>
> I live in the desert, wasn't much farming where I live, it was all desert
>ranchland or wasteland. Try again.
>
>
>>Is it possible that your driving of your car is taking away from the
>>rights of those who might want to enjoy their recreational acticvities
>>but are intimidated by you driving 50 in a 40 zone?
>
> What about my driving 45 in a 45 zone? While they are doing, to be
>generous, 20.
>
>
>
>> Are the rights of
>>an automobile driver or drivers greater than that of the other
>>taxpayers who may not be in a car?
>
> Why were the roads built? What was the intended purpose? Not what some
>activists got passed into law later, but the real, intended reason for
>building paved two lane roads?
>
> Or, by your logic, I should be perfectly justified riding a 4 wheeler
>down that same road. After all, I'm a taxpayer who is using that road I
>helped build. Guess what, anybody doing that gets ticketed -- they have to
>ride those vehicles in approved areas.
>
>> Not all roads are built with
>>automobile fuel tax dollars. Riding where you live stinks. About the
>>only safe time to ride is Sunday mornings but that is quite dangerous
>>with the Baptists hellbent on getting to church to talk about love as
>>they run folks off the road. If you can dodge the Baptists or
>>Presbyterians or Methodists or Lutherans you can have an ok Sunday
>>morning ride. The Seventh Day Adventists are not much of an issue.
>>
>
> That's funny, seems there are equal numbers of bicyclists out both
>Saturdays and Sundays.
>
>>Bicyclists are not required to ride on the shoulder. State law. Most
>>Georgia roads don't have shoulders as an option. Have you lobbied your
>>state and local representatives for shoulders on the road without
>>wakeup cuts so that you can fly home without runners and cyclists in
>>your way?
>
> Wouldn't do any good, the more developed areas nearby have bike lanes,
>bicyclists don't use any part of them other than the 3 inches closest to
>the automobile lane.
>
>> Don't forget to lobby for sidewalks which allow kids a safe
>>way to get around as well as old folks out for strolls trying to
>>recover from years of driving cars.
>>
>>Waiting a minute or a few minutes to get around a tractor or cyclists
>>or old folks driving slow only kills someone if they pass stupidly.
>
> .. a tractor or a car with old folks are people out there using the road
>as intended -- the one is using it for livelihood, the other to get from
>place to place, and time has caught up with them vis a vis reaction times
>or just the way they always used to live. It may be an inconvenience, but
>it's unavoidable, they aren't out there deliberately inconveniencing
>others.
>
>
>>you got 1440 minutes in the day. 2 minutes does not have to ruin your
>>day.
>
> ... and that illustrates my point regarding courtesy perfectly. That 2
>minutes is *not* *your* two minutes to take away from me or any other
>person. Your two minutes, plus the half dozen to a dozen other yuppies out
>there in their oh-so-manly lycra-spandex bike suits each taking their two
>minutes starts adding up to a pretty decent chunk of time. Doesn't matter
>much though whether it's 30 seconds or two minutes, if you are needlessly
>inconveniencing someone else, it's still discourteous. As I mentioned
>above, other recreational riders have to pursue their fun in suitable
>places, why is this situation different, just because a few activists were
>able to convince some legislators?
>
>
>+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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> ... and that illustrates my point regarding courtesy perfectly. That 2
>minutes is *not* *your* two minutes to take away from me or any other
>person. Your two minutes, plus the half dozen to a dozen other yuppies out
>there in their oh-so-manly lycra-spandex bike suits each taking their two
>minutes starts adding up to a pretty decent chunk of time. Doesn't matter
>much though whether it's 30 seconds or two minutes, if you are needlessly
>inconveniencing someone else, it's still discourteous. As I mentioned
>above, other recreational riders have to pursue their fun in suitable
>places, why is this situation different, just because a few activists were
>able to convince some legislators?
but it is ok for other cars to inconvenience you as in traffic? cars and other
motored vehicles cause far more delays then any amount of cyclists well ever do.
plus more deaths more pollution more problems and more dependence on foreign
oil.
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On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 05:34:35 -0800, the inscrutable Christopher Horner
<[email protected]> spake:
>Rick wrote:
>> Can you say Photoshop?
>
>Yeah, but not this time.
>
>> Uneven and inaccurate shadows, stairs receiving full sunlight and escalators
>> aren't (despite the bright "sunshine" on left side rail support), uneven
>> blending around escalator base.
>I once lived a few miles up the road from this shopping center and we
>all got a good laugh at the irony of the elevator. It's on Midway Drive
>in Point Loma, just north of downtown San Diego.
>
>Imagined artifacts notwithstanding, here's another picture with a bit
>more context:
>
>http://home.sandiego.edu/~bschoch/pictures/gym.jpg
I was thinking there was one on Miramar Road (across the street from
the little NAS Miramar Top Gun station) which looked similar, too.
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Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:42:02 -0600, "Todd Fatheree" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:42:55 +0000, "Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:26:45 +0000, B a r r y wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Steve Knight wrote:
>>> >>> http://matt-massie.com/archives/images/24fitness.jpg
>>> >>> I really cracked up with this picture.
>>> >>
>>> >> I've seen people waiting for the front row parking spots at my gym.
>>> >>
>>> >> I've also fought with two gyms over a lack of bicycle parking. The
>>> >> first gym suggested that no one was interested in riding a bicycle to
>>> >> the gym, as the gym had stationary bikes. <G>
>>> >>
>>> >> My current place accommodated me, there are now 4 others who cycle to
>>> >> the gym! We get our cardio on the way to the gym, rather than in it.
>>> >
>>> >After a couple of months of going to the gym, I realized the absurdity of
>>> >driving there and then spending 20 minutes on an exercise bicycle or
>>> >treadmill, especially since the 5km ride is mostly uphill both ways. But
>>I
>>> >did wimp out this winter despite having studded tires on my bike. Don't
>>> >trust the drivers.
>>>
>>> Well, since the roads were built for automobile traffic ....
>>
>>Actually, most states have laws on the books that state that bicycles are
>>"intended users" of the road system.
>>
>>todd
>
> Yes, I know those laws are on the books. Doesn't change the fact that
>bicycles travel 10 to 20 mph below normal traffic speed, are at an extreme
>disadvantage, particularly on blind curves and are always going to be on
>the losing side of any encounter with a car.
>
> Sorry, just hit a sore spot with me, I live in an area near subdivisions
>where people think that a narrow, 2 lane road with very narrow shoulders is
>a great place to go riding. This road also has blind curves where one
>coming around a corner could potentially hit a bicyclist travelling 25 MPH
>on a 40 MPH road in many cases, the bicyclists don't use the shoulder since
>the shoulder is barely there. The answer is *not* to penalize the people
>using the road for its *really* intended purpose by making the speed limit
>slower, it is hoping that somehow these recreational riders would gain a
>bit of wisdom and courtesy and realize that a) they are endangering
>themselves, and b) through their actions they are inconveniencing others,
>taking away time from those people who might also like to get home or get
>their business done so that they also can enjoy some recreational
>activities.
>
Where I live in Georgia I have to deal with tractors going down the
road. They sometimes go slower than the cyclists. I deal with cow crap
from cow hauling trailers. There used to be farming where you lived
20-30 years ago pre yuppy scum days.
Is it possible that your driving of your car is taking away from the
rights of those who might want to enjoy their recreational acticvities
but are intimidated by you driving 50 in a 40 zone? Are the rights of
an automobile driver or drivers greater than that of the other
taxpayers who may not be in a car? Not all roads are built with
automobile fuel tax dollars. Riding where you live stinks. About the
only safe time to ride is Sunday mornings but that is quite dangerous
with the Baptists hellbent on getting to church to talk about love as
they run folks off the road. If you can dodge the Baptists or
Presbyterians or Methodists or Lutherans you can have an ok Sunday
morning ride. The Seventh Day Adventists are not much of an issue.
Bicyclists are not required to ride on the shoulder. State law. Most
Georgia roads don't have shoulders as an option. Have you lobbied your
state and local representatives for shoulders on the road without
wakeup cuts so that you can fly home without runners and cyclists in
your way? Don't forget to lobby for sidewalks which allow kids a safe
way to get around as well as old folks out for strolls trying to
recover from years of driving cars.
Waiting a minute or a few minutes to get around a tractor or cyclists
or old folks driving slow only kills someone if they pass stupidly.
you got 1440 minutes in the day. 2 minutes does not have to ruin your
day.
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:26:45 +0000, B a r r y wrote:
> Steve Knight wrote:
>> http://matt-massie.com/archives/images/24fitness.jpg
>> I really cracked up with this picture.
>
> I've seen people waiting for the front row parking spots at my gym.
>
> I've also fought with two gyms over a lack of bicycle parking. The
> first gym suggested that no one was interested in riding a bicycle to
> the gym, as the gym had stationary bikes. <G>
>
> My current place accommodated me, there are now 4 others who cycle to
> the gym! We get our cardio on the way to the gym, rather than in it.
After a couple of months of going to the gym, I realized the absurdity of
driving there and then spending 20 minutes on an exercise bicycle or
treadmill, especially since the 5km ride is mostly uphill both ways. But I
did wimp out this winter despite having studded tires on my bike. Don't
trust the drivers.
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:27:55 -0800, Steve Knight
<[email protected]> wrote:
>How is having a car and paying all those huge expenses going to get me more
>money?
Steve, prestige, man, prestige! It's priceless, so the cost is
irrelevant.
I just love being asked "How long 'till you get your license back?" by
the counter clerk when I make a beer or wine run by bicycle. I
explain that the DUI folks ride bikes with the drop bars flipped
downside up. <G>
I've also been handed business cards for towing companies when riding
to Auto Zone for oil change supplies. I've never seen a car yet that
needed to be towed, but was repairable with 5 quarts of Mobil 1 and an
oil filter!
Barry
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:52:33 +0000, Michael Daly wrote:
> On 8-Feb-2005, "Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> especially since the 5km ride is mostly uphill both ways.
>
> Escher is the urban planner in your area?
Ackshally, time wise it is. To get there takes me about 12 minutes, of which
about 7 are spent climbing a hill, three minutes on the flat and 2 minutes
downhill. 35 minutes return, mostly climbing (2 big steep hills).
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"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Sorry, just hit a sore spot with me, I live in an area near subdivisions
> where people think that a narrow, 2 lane road with very narrow shoulders
> is
> a great place to go riding. This road also has blind curves where one
> coming around a corner could potentially hit a bicyclist travelling 25 MPH
> on a 40 MPH road in many cases, the bicyclists don't use the shoulder
> since
> the shoulder is barely there. The answer is *not* to penalize the people
> using the road for its *really* intended purpose by making the speed limit
> slower, it is hoping that somehow these recreational riders would gain a
> bit of wisdom and courtesy and realize that a) they are endangering
> themselves, and b) through their actions they are inconveniencing others,
> taking away time from those people who might also like to get home or get
> their business done so that they also can enjoy some recreational
> activities.
>
I have always told my son that the pedestrian always has the right of way
but to never try to test that fact.
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Steve Knight wrote:
>
> > http://matt-massie.com/archives/images/24fitness.jpg
> > I really cracked up with this picture.
>
> Escalators. Outside. Escalators outside? Escalators OUTside?
> <shakes head in bafflement>
Can you say Photoshop?
Uneven and inaccurate shadows, stairs receiving full sunlight and escalators
aren't (despite the bright "sunshine" on left side rail support), uneven
blending around escalator base.
Ah, the artful troll.
Rick
Hello,
I read a recent study that was stating that the american food industry
produced 3800 calories per person per day (including babies and old
peoples)...
when you know that a normal diet for an active adult is in the 1800~2000
calories a day, and that the food industry is trying it's darnest to get you
to eat their product....
no wonder america is fat!
cyrille
"Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:26:45 +0000, B a r r y wrote:
>
>> Steve Knight wrote:
>>> http://matt-massie.com/archives/images/24fitness.jpg
>>> I really cracked up with this picture.
>>
>> I've seen people waiting for the front row parking spots at my gym.
>>
>> I've also fought with two gyms over a lack of bicycle parking. The
>> first gym suggested that no one was interested in riding a bicycle to
>> the gym, as the gym had stationary bikes. <G>
>>
>> My current place accommodated me, there are now 4 others who cycle to
>> the gym! We get our cardio on the way to the gym, rather than in it.
>
> After a couple of months of going to the gym, I realized the absurdity of
> driving there and then spending 20 minutes on an exercise bicycle or
> treadmill, especially since the 5km ride is mostly uphill both ways. But I
> did wimp out this winter despite having studded tires on my bike. Don't
> trust the drivers.
>
> --
> Luigi
> Replace "nonet" with "yukonomics" for real email
> www.yukonomics.ca/wooddorking/humour.html
> www.yukonomics.ca/wooddorking/antifaq.html
>
Todd Fatheree wrote:
> "Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:42:55 +0000, "Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:26:45 +0000, B a r r y wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Steve Knight wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>http://matt-massie.com/archives/images/24fitness.jpg
>>>>>I really cracked up with this picture.
>>>>
>>>>I've seen people waiting for the front row parking spots at my gym.
>>>>
>>>>I've also fought with two gyms over a lack of bicycle parking. The
>>>>first gym suggested that no one was interested in riding a bicycle to
>>>>the gym, as the gym had stationary bikes. <G>
>>>>
>>>>My current place accommodated me, there are now 4 others who cycle to
>>>>the gym! We get our cardio on the way to the gym, rather than in it.
>>>
>>>After a couple of months of going to the gym, I realized the absurdity of
>>>driving there and then spending 20 minutes on an exercise bicycle or
>>>treadmill, especially since the 5km ride is mostly uphill both ways. But
>
> I
>
>>>did wimp out this winter despite having studded tires on my bike. Don't
>>>trust the drivers.
>>
>> Well, since the roads were built for automobile traffic ....
>
>
> Actually, most states have laws on the books that state that bicycles are
> "intended users" of the road system.
>
> todd
>
>
A word of wisdom from my oldman.
"It's better to be wrong and alive than right and dead"
John
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 22:04:09 -0800, the inscrutable Steve Knight
<[email protected]> spake:
>http://matt-massie.com/archives/images/24fitness.jpg
>I really cracked up with this picture.
No kidding. <g> But the guy at the bottom is walking up the
escalator, so he's only half bad.
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>None of that around here, so I either walk or drive. I feel that when I'm
>walking, I can dodge faster, and more safely. Walking feels comparatively
>secure, while riding a bike feels like I've got a target painted on my
>back. Oh well, walking is good too. Easier on the knees too. Pedalling
>up these hills around here is absolute hell on my knees.
got to learn to gear right and spin so you don't hurt you knee's.
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:53:13 +0800, OldNick <[email protected]>
wrote:
>And tho do _ewyou_ thweety!
Yeth, I dooo.
It'h just thoo nice of you to notice!
Barry ;^)
When I was a memeber at the local gym a couple of years back, I could never
understand why people parked illegally in the fire lane right outside the
building rather than walking 100 yards from the back of the parking lot.
It happens everywhere.
Ian
"Steve Knight" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> http://matt-massie.com/archives/images/24fitness.jpg
> I really cracked up with this picture.
>
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On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:26:45 GMT, B a r r y
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I've also fought with two gyms over a lack of bicycle parking. The
>first gym suggested that no one was interested in riding a bicycle to
>the gym, as the gym had stationary bikes. <G>
>
>
>Barry
I guess the only thing they can see is the business plan and not the
results the customers are looking for. :( Kinda sad. Which gym is
that? Might be a place to avoid.
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:12:45 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Anyway, I hate escalators. They're too slow.
>
>Sometimes they are over loaded. LOL
>
>I am entertained by the moving sidewalks at the many of the air ports.
>Trying to keep up with the people riding them will give you a work out.
A lot of airports have one side of the moving sidewalks reserved for
people who want to walk with the other side for those who want to
ride. I was always a walker, and since I walk fast anyway, I could
make pretty good time down one of those things.
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com