Stuart wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Keith Nuttle <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Malala is the little girl shot by the brave men of the Taliban, for
>> wanting to read and write.
>
>> What ever your religious persuasion, or lack of it, lets pray that
>> she recovers, and has a chance to grows up to a full and productive
>> life.
>
> We often question what on earth our troops, British and American, are
> doing in Afganistan. What are they dying for?
>
> I think we have the answer.
Do we? Are we all there in an effort to remake a culture? If so, that is
one thing. But - why are we there? Do we even think we can remake a
culture that has existed for millinium? Not that I condonde any of this,
but this kind of thing has gone on over there for centuries. We're going to
turn it around in... how long?
--
-Mike-
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On 10/22/2012 8:58 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:59:48 -0400, Keith Nuttle
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Malala is the little girl shot by the brave men of the Taliban, for
>> wanting to read and write.
>>
>> What ever your religious persuasion, or lack of it, lets pray that she
>> recovers, and has a chance to grows up to a full and productive life.
>
> She'll do fine. She's a fighter.
>
Every boxing match or martial match has two fighters. At the end, at
least one of them will be creamed.
In article <[email protected]>,
Keith Nuttle <[email protected]> wrote:
> Malala is the little girl shot by the brave men of the Taliban, for
> wanting to read and write.
> What ever your religious persuasion, or lack of it, lets pray that she
> recovers, and has a chance to grows up to a full and productive life.
We often question what on earth our troops, British and American, are
doing in Afganistan. What are they dying for?
I think we have the answer.
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Keith Nuttle wrote:
> On 10/23/2012 4:15 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Stuart wrote:
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> Keith Nuttle <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Malala is the little girl shot by the brave men of the Taliban, for
>>>> wanting to read and write.
>>>
>>>> What ever your religious persuasion, or lack of it, lets pray that
>>>> she recovers, and has a chance to grows up to a full and productive
>>>> life.
>>>
>>> We often question what on earth our troops, British and American,
>>> are doing in Afganistan. What are they dying for?
>>>
>>> I think we have the answer.
>>
>> Do we? Are we all there in an effort to remake a culture? If so,
>> that is one thing. But - why are we there? Do we even think we can
>> remake a culture that has existed for millinium? Not that I
>> condonde any of this, but this kind of thing has gone on over there
>> for centuries. We're going to turn it around in... how long?
>>
> We can only hope that Malala and those like her in her home country,
> and those in the rest of the world will worked to bring a religion
> that was developed in the 7th century, into the 21 century. Yes
> there are bad things in this century, but at least honor killings are
> not accepted, and most do not approve of killing your neighbor if he
> views God differently than you.
I agree (most - with the last sentence). I'm just not on board with the
idea that we are in Afganastan for those reasons, and that we can turn this
thing around quickly. Our troops are not over there for the greater
cultural needs of that region. If we were - we would be wrong in doing so.
There are indeed ways to try to influence cultures, but let's not fool
ourselves into believing that a war we've been waging for 10 years is now
suddenly about defending against things like this. Malala only serves as a
new battle cry for people. We have been waging war over there for as long
as she has been alive. She's not why we are there.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 10/24/2012 4:38 AM, Dave wrote:
> The US is the only superpower on
> this planet. That means one of the biggest exports the US has, is its
> military might.
With equipment made elsewhere, merely an increasingly temporary situation.
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Swingman wrote:
> On 10/24/2012 7:18 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
>
>> The biggest export of the US is its culture. Our culture has
>> effected every nation in the world.
>
> Damned shame ... for it has evolved into a culture with an eroded
> moral component, rotten with apathy, ignorance and greed, and shaped
> by masters of manipulation via consumerism and the media.
You say that like you think it's a bad thing.
Keith Nuttle <[email protected]> wrote in news:k64tmi$oor$1
@speranza.aioe.org:
> Malala is the little girl shot by the brave men of the Taliban, for
> wanting to read and write.
>
> What ever your religious persuasion, or lack of it, lets pray that she
> recovers, and has a chance to grows up to a full and productive life.
I hope and trust she will do fine, and continue to be an example of what
humanity should be.
--
Best regards
Han
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Keith Nuttle <[email protected]> wrote in news:k64tmi$oor$1
@speranza.aioe.org:
> Malala is the little girl shot by the brave men of the Taliban, for
> wanting to read and write.
>
> What ever your religious persuasion, or lack of it, lets pray that she
> recovers, and has a chance to grows up to a full and productive life.
From a friend in Spain:
<http://preview.tinyurl.com/93zy6e2>
--
Best regards
Han
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Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 10/24/2012 7:18 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
>
>> The biggest export of the US is its culture. Our culture has effected
>> every nation in the world.
Keith probably meant affected, not effected.
> Damned shame ... for it has evolved into a culture with an eroded moral
> component, rotten with apathy, ignorance and greed, and shaped by
> masters of manipulation via consumerism and the media.
"Culture" has many aspects, Karl. What you now fulminate against (for
good reasons!), was attacked already by Socrates and Plato. Despite that
there are still people of high morals around, and good is still being
done. What I am afraid of is the image of the angry american who sees no
other behavior than his (or her) ways. This is what other peoples don't
understand and react against. That doesn't mean we should accept things
like "honor killings", but we should be a little more tolerant of what
and how other peoples consider normal. And that obviously means that
other peoples should accept what we do as well. I'm preaching tolerance
all the way <grin>.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Dave wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 23:49:04 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Malala only serves as a
>> new battle cry for people. We have been waging war over there for
>> as long as she has been alive. She's not why we are there.
>
> So, it's been a long battle. That doesn't mean there aren't reasons to
> do it. Maybe it's a battle that can never by won. That still doesn't
> mean that it's not a necessary battle ~ not if the US wants its
> current culture to survive.
It's hard for me to subscribe to such ideas. South East Asia left a bad
taste in my mouth.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:59:48 -0400, Keith Nuttle
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Malala is the little girl shot by the brave men of the Taliban, for
>wanting to read and write.
>
>What ever your religious persuasion, or lack of it, lets pray that she
>recovers, and has a chance to grows up to a full and productive life.
She'll do fine. She's a fighter.
--
They must find it difficult,
those who have taken authority as truth,
rather than truth as authority.
-- Gerald Massey, Egyptologist
On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 08:53:11 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 10/24/2012 7:18 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
>
>> The biggest export of the US is its culture. Our culture has effected
>> every nation in the world.
>
>Damned shame ... for it has evolved into a culture with an eroded moral
>component, rotten with apathy, ignorance and greed, and shaped by
>masters of manipulation via consumerism and the media.
The bad parts are a shame, but that's not all we export.
I believe we've exported much more good than bad overall, Swingy. Our
soldiers, during their off hours, are showing the world their
camraderie, gung-ho spirit, charity, willingness to learn, respect,
volunteerism, and many other good things. Look at the American
response to disasters worldwide. It's amazing. Look at the adoptions
of unwanted or unparented children (while many of ours starve and die
on the streets, FEH!) There's a helluva lot of good out there.
--
They must find it difficult,
those who have taken authority as truth,
rather than truth as authority.
-- Gerald Massey, Egyptologist
On 10/24/2012 7:18 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
> The biggest export of the US is its culture. Our culture has effected
> every nation in the world.
Damned shame ... for it has evolved into a culture with an eroded moral
component, rotten with apathy, ignorance and greed, and shaped by
masters of manipulation via consumerism and the media.
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On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:59:48 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:
> Malala is the little girl shot by the brave men of the Taliban, for
> wanting to read and write.
>
> What ever your religious persuasion, or lack of it, lets pray that she
> recovers, and has a chance to grows up to a full and productive life.
Amen!
Didn't you love the debate last night where both candidates talked about
educating the fanatics? Malala shows how far that will get.
--
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carrying a cross.
On 10/23/2012 4:15 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Stuart wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Keith Nuttle <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Malala is the little girl shot by the brave men of the Taliban, for
>>> wanting to read and write.
>>
>>> What ever your religious persuasion, or lack of it, lets pray that
>>> she recovers, and has a chance to grows up to a full and productive
>>> life.
>>
>> We often question what on earth our troops, British and American, are
>> doing in Afganistan. What are they dying for?
>>
>> I think we have the answer.
>
> Do we? Are we all there in an effort to remake a culture? If so, that is
> one thing. But - why are we there? Do we even think we can remake a
> culture that has existed for millinium? Not that I condonde any of this,
> but this kind of thing has gone on over there for centuries. We're going to
> turn it around in... how long?
>
We can only hope that Malala and those like her in her home country, and
those in the rest of the world will worked to bring a religion that was
developed in the 7th century, into the 21 century. Yes there are bad
things in this century, but at least honor killings are not accepted,
and most do not approve of killing your neighbor if he views God
differently than you.
On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:15:28 -0400, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Do we even think we can remake a
> culture that has existed for millinium? Not that I condonde any of
> this, but this kind of thing has gone on over there for centuries.
> We're going to turn it around in... how long?
Well, Islam is about 700 years behind Christianity. Look at what the
Christians were doing to each other, and to "infidels" back then. In
some parts of the world (i.e. Serbia) they're still doing it. But it's
rare. So maybe by the 28th century Islam will calm down :-).
--
When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and
carrying a cross.
Larry Blanchard wrote,on my timestamp of 24/10/2012 11:00 AM:
>
> Well, Islam is about 700 years behind Christianity. Look at what the
> Christians were doing to each other, and to "infidels" back then. In
> some parts of the world (i.e. Serbia) they're still doing it. But it's
> rare. So maybe by the 28th century Islam will calm down :-).
>
Hep! That theory is mine!
:)
On 10/24/2012 5:38 AM, Dave wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:15:28 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
>> Do we? Are we all there in an effort to remake a culture? If so, that is
>> one thing. But - why are we there? Do we even think we can remake a
>> culture that has existed for millinium? Not that I condone any of this,
>> but this kind of thing has gone on over there for centuries. We're going to
>> turn it around in... how long?
>
> Like all other countries, the US acts in its own benefit. And, there's
> always some benefit to be gained by getting involved in other
> countries, otherwise, the US wouldn't be there. Even, if that benefit
> is only how it's viewed by the rest of the world.
>
> Consider how much the US imports. The US is the only superpower on
> this planet. That means one of the biggest exports the US has, is its
> military might.
>
The biggest export of the US is its culture. Our culture has effected
every nation in the world.
On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 23:49:04 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Malala only serves as a
>new battle cry for people. We have been waging war over there for as long
>as she has been alive. She's not why we are there.
So, it's been a long battle. That doesn't mean there aren't reasons to
do it. Maybe it's a battle that can never by won. That still doesn't
mean that it's not a necessary battle ~ not if the US wants its
current culture to survive.
On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 08:45:32 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> The US is the only superpower on
>> this planet. That means one of the biggest exports the US has, is its
>> military might.
>
>With equipment made elsewhere, merely an increasingly temporary situation.
I'm sure that's another reason why the US can't or shouldn't retract
all its actions to its own shores. To survive, properly, the US has to
stay involved with other countries.
On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:15:28 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
>Do we? Are we all there in an effort to remake a culture? If so, that is
>one thing. But - why are we there? Do we even think we can remake a
>culture that has existed for millinium? Not that I condone any of this,
>but this kind of thing has gone on over there for centuries. We're going to
>turn it around in... how long?
Like all other countries, the US acts in its own benefit. And, there's
always some benefit to be gained by getting involved in other
countries, otherwise, the US wouldn't be there. Even, if that benefit
is only how it's viewed by the rest of the world.
Consider how much the US imports. The US is the only superpower on
this planet. That means one of the biggest exports the US has, is its
military might.
On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 06:56:02 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
>> So, it's been a long battle. That doesn't mean there aren't reasons to
>> do it. Maybe it's a battle that can never by won. That still doesn't
>> mean that it's not a necessary battle ~ not if the US wants its
>> current culture to survive.
>
>It's hard for me to subscribe to such ideas. South East Asia left a bad
>taste in my mouth.
It might well be something that can never be defeated. But, that
doesn't mean that it shouldn't be attacked wherever possible.