I'm not asking for political comment here about wether or not sawstop should
be doing what they are doing.
What I am wondering if the device actually works as well as they say it
does.
So the real question is, Has anyone actually installed one of these and had
it prevent an injury yet (or know of anyone who has)?
Frank
> I saw a demo, and it did certainly work, dunno what damage it did to
> the saw tho, it was dramatic. My guess is the saw will never cut
> straight again, then there's the cost. A new thing from Sawstop, a new
> blade, and possibly a new saw, or a re-alingment as well. Just learn
> to be careful!
>
> But why just table saws? they cause the most accidents, but probably
> because they are the most common tool. Routers and circular saws must
> also be up there. Why provide a "safety blanket" for one tool, and
> lull amateur woodworkers into the "parachute" syndrome?
>
> Barry Lennox
Don't worry. On SawStop's web site, they state that the technology can be
adapted for other woodworking equipment.
Fri, Jul 11, 2003, 2:34pm (EDT+4) [email protected]
(Frank=A0Ketchum) says:
I'm not asking for political comment here about wether or not sawstop
should be doing what they are doing.
Being in business and making money?
What I am wondering if the device actually works as well as they say it
does. <snip>
Well, let's take it as a given that it does. What I'm wondering is
how well it is going to work after a few years in a shop? 5, 10, 15,
years down the road.
JOAT
Let's just take it for granted you don't know what the Hell you're
talking about.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 13 Jul 2003. Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/JOATorJackOfAll/page4.html
"Renata" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This might, indeed, be one of the issues with this product. While I
> understand accidents happen, stuff like this can make one lazy and
> forget personal responsibility.
I never understand this point that a lot of people make about protective
equipment. It's almost to say that the safety device will make people
careless and will lead to more accidents overall. I don't buy it. Do
people drive their cars carelessly because they have a seatbelt on or an
airbag in the car? No, they drive carelessly because they are careless.
"todd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > You say in jest Oscar Mayer was the only person saved. Just remember
> > this the next time you carelessly get your wiener in the spinning
> > blade of your table saw. You will wish you had a saw stop.
> >
> > I understand that the test wieners of the world are protesting being
> > used as test meat for the Saw Stop. Their spokeswiener was quoted as
> > saying, "We are not just going to sit on our BUNS and let this happen.
> > Our right have been lagging behind other meats and we have to KETCHUP
> > before we end up sitting in a pot of beans. We RELISH the thought of
> > protesting with all the efforts we can MUSTARD."
>
> Here in Chicago, they would also PEPPER them with questions. (Sorry, I
> can't think of anything funny with cucumbers, tomatoes and onions. And
> ketchup goes on a burger, not a dog).
Depends on where you're from.
-- Ernie
As far as I know, not a single average anybody has ever used this
device in the ordinary course of a day in the shop. The whole tempest
is generated over demos. The device seems to demand that a special new
saw be designed and built to accommodate it so you will not go to Home
Depot EVER and bring home a retrofit. The hot dog demo seems to be the
only evidence the thing has ever worked any time, anywhere.
"Frank Ketchum" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I'm not asking for political comment here about wether or not sawstop should
> be doing what they are doing.
>
> What I am wondering if the device actually works as well as they say it
> does.
> So the real question is, Has anyone actually installed one of these and had
> it prevent an injury yet (or know of anyone who has)?
>
> Frank
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:19:54 GMT, "Jim Mc Namara"
<[email protected]>Crawled out of the shop and said. . .:
>
>"Scott Cramer" <[email protected]> wrote in message:
>
>> These are some of the wurst puns ever.
>
>Quit yer complaining - I bet you were a bratt when you was a kid.
>
>:-)
>
>Jums
>
might have been, and now he's just being a SAUERKRAUT
Traves
Jim Mc Namara wrote:
> "Scott Cramer" <[email protected]> wrote in message:
> > I was only being frank - furtermore, I didn't mean to knock wurst puns,
> and
> > I wasn't making a beef, so get off my cas(ing).
> >
> > Scott, on a roll.
>
> Somethin' just ain't kosher about all this Scott -
Let's get this back on topic. Does the SawStop "cut the mustard"?
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
Yet another negative - they're trying to force everyone to have one of
these and the moment it goes off, you're probably out the price of a
new table saw. I'd rather take my chance and practice proper respect
and care whilst using the saw.
Renata
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:21:22 +1200, Barry Lennox
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>I saw a demo, and it did certainly work, dunno what damage it did to
>the saw tho, it was dramatic. My guess is the saw will never cut
>straight again, then there's the cost. A new thing from Sawstop, a new
>blade, and possibly a new saw, or a re-alingment as well. Just learn
>to be careful!
>
>But why just table saws? they cause the most accidents, but probably
>because they are the most common tool. Routers and circular saws must
>also be up there. Why provide a "safety blanket" for one tool, and
>lull amateur woodworkers into the "parachute" syndrome?
>
>Barry Lennox
That's it! I need body armor, as well as PavementStop, CarStop (or
maybe that's a Don'tRunMeOverStop), SunBurnStop, DehydrationStop,
FlatTireStop, and prolly a few others I've missed - when I go out on a
bicycle ride from now on.
Renata
On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:05:01 -0500, Rick Chamberlain
<[email protected]> wrote:
--snip--
>In the non-violent accident category, here are the more likely possible
>issues (on a percentage basis) that can cause a visit to the emergency
>room (for ages 16-65):
>
>Unintentional fall
>Unintentional overexertion
>Unintentional struck by/against
>Unintentional motor vehicle occupant
>Unintentional cut/pierce
>Unintentional (unknown)
>Unintentional bite/sting
>Unintentional foreign body
>Unintentional other transportation
>Unintentional poisoning
>Unintentional pedal/cyclist
>
>The point I'm trying to make is that based on these numbers, wouldn't it
>be better if there were a FallStop, OverexertionStop, Struck
>by/AgainstStop, etc., etc., etc.?
>
>Bottom line for me is that while I value my hands, arms and any other
>appendages currently attached to this 45 year old body, odds are I'm
>more likely to get hurt falling off my roof when I clean out the gutters
>or being accidentally poisoned than losing a finger when I fire up the
>old Unisaw.
>
--snip--
>Rick Chamberlain
This might, indeed, be one of the issues with this product. While I
understand accidents happen, stuff like this can make one lazy and
forget personal responsibility. The price to pay is a mucked up saw
because the sawstop was enabled due to your carelessness.
As I said before, there may be venues where it would be approriate,
perhaps, a school setting. Otherwise, don't foist it upon me assuming
I don't have enough wherwithal to assume responsibility for my own
actions.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:31:18 GMT, "Jim Mc Namara" <[email protected]>
wrote:
--snip--
> I believe all our digits are important and I still
>believe that personal shop safety and awareness are the key elements to
>keeping them.
>
>Jim
>
>
(no stain for email)
"todd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Oh, and I'm a big fan of hot dogs. Now Randall Simon (Pirates first
> baseman) is another story. He must have been beaten up by an Italian
> sausage as a child.
That was hands down the most entertaining highlight of the baseball season
thus far. They were calling it "sausagegate" on ESPN last night.
ROTFLMAO!
Jums
"todd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Frank Ketchum" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I'm not asking for political comment here about wether or not sawstop
> should
> > be doing what they are doing.
> >
> > What I am wondering if the device actually works as well as they say it
> > does.
> > So the real question is, Has anyone actually installed one of these and
> had
> > it prevent an injury yet (or know of anyone who has)?
> >
> > Frank
>
> To my knowledge, there are no saws in production that have this feature.
No
> manufacturer has agreed to include the technology on their saws, and
SawStop
> themselves is taking pre-orders but (again to my knowledge) has yet to
> deliver a saw to a consumer. So, for now, the only person saved so far is
> Oscar Mayer.
>
> todd
>
>
Can't be done. I can get around anything.
"Cleveland Ponder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Over on SMC, a letter from $aw$top in response to an email by a SMC
> member said they are trying to engineer it so that the saw won't run
> without it to prevent users from disabling it.
>
> Tim Douglass <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:17:30 +1200, Barry Lennox
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >If it goes off with wet wood, will they give me money-back warranty on
> > >all the parts that require replacement. No they will not.
> >
> > What about hitting a nail? I know they say you can't cut metal with it
> > engaged, but is a single nail enough to trip it? I've cut a lot of
> > wood where I've cut through brads or even small finish nails (price
> > for doing a lot of remodeling in my life and using salvaged
> > materials). I've even cut a few serious framing nails. I use an old,
> > cheap blade for that stuff, so I suppose I could just disable the
> > SawStop when I suspected I might get into a nail, but if there
> > happened to be one when I didn't expect it I'm not too thrilled about
> > the idea of having to replace a bunch of expensive stuff because of
> > one stupid nail.
> >
> > Tim Douglass
> >
> > http://www.DouglassClan.com
"Scott Cramer" <[email protected]> wrote in message:
> I don't see any reason to pork fun at religion, Jums.
Didn't mean to offend anybody Scott - I was just trying to use a little
"filler" without havin' to pull out the big guns . . .
hotdog contents:
Hips - lips - foreskins (oops - the "religious" angle again!)
Jums
"todd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> To my knowledge, there are no saws in production that have this feature.
No
> manufacturer has agreed to include the technology on their saws, and
SawStop
> themselves is taking pre-orders but (again to my knowledge) has yet to
> deliver a saw to a consumer. So, for now, the only person saved so far is
> Oscar Mayer.
>
Hey, what have you got against hot dogs? lol
I thought they offered it as a kit at first (still?) where you could
retrofit your existing saw. Maybe my memory is failing, but I am pretty
sure Sawstop was around for awhile before they decided to bring out thier
own line of tablesaws.
Frank
"Scott Cramer" <[email protected]> wrote in message:
> These are some of the wurst puns ever.
Quit yer complaining - I bet you were a bratt when you was a kid.
:-)
Jums
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
> Yet another negative - they're trying to force everyone to have one of
> these and the moment it goes off, you're probably out the price of a
> new table saw. I'd rather take my chance and practice proper respect
> and care whilst using the saw.
>
> Renata
>
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:21:22 +1200, Barry Lennox
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >I saw a demo, and it did certainly work, dunno what damage it did to
> >the saw tho, it was dramatic. My guess is the saw will never cut
> >straight again, then there's the cost. A new thing from Sawstop, a new
> >blade, and possibly a new saw, or a re-alingment as well. Just learn
> >to be careful!
> >
> >But why just table saws? they cause the most accidents, but probably
> >because they are the most common tool. Routers and circular saws must
> >also be up there. Why provide a "safety blanket" for one tool, and
> >lull amateur woodworkers into the "parachute" syndrome?
> >
> >Barry Lennox
I haven't been paying that much attention to this thread, but you guys
got me to turn around. Are you actually saying you would rather lose a
finger or a hand than buy a new saw? Even the most scrupulously careful
can have an accident. Or don't you believe that?
Lawrence Rottersman asks:
>I haven't been paying that much attention to this thread, but you guys
>got me to turn around. Are you actually saying you would rather lose a
>finger or a hand than buy a new saw?
I'd be interested to find out how many people have lost an entire hand to a
table saw. Some, I'm sure, but....
As to the rest, I don't think anyone is saying they'd rather lose a finger than
buy a new tablesaw, though in some cases with the rise in price that SawStop is
certain to bring, that might be an option for people who otherwise would have
to drop out of woodworking.
What they're saying, IMO, is that they do not see a company worming its way
into government arenas to force us to buy a safety attachment that is proven,
to some extent anyway, in experimentation, but unprove in real life use. There
are other methods that can help prevent, or reduce the severity, of accidents
at relatively low cost, with no harmful effect on the tool after it use.
European style crown guards are one. Over-the-blade box guards are another.
Splitters are another.
We have no information, and SawStop is carefully not providing any, on whether
or not the reaction of the brake will ruin the saw, the blade, whatever.
Supposedly, you can pop in a new cartridge and merrily saw away. Practically,
one does have to wonder what that sudden stop, and quick drop, will do to a
carbide tipped saw blade, not to mention the arbor bearings and the arbor
itself.
So, no: no one wants to lose a finger in preference to buying a new saw, but we
do wonder, if my above suppositions are correct, why in the hell we should
allow the government to force us to buy unproven technology. I'm often classed
as a liberal, but I do not see this as a political issue. It is an issue of
overweening business arrogance, added to a similar dose of "We know what's good
for ya" from the Feds, which tends to mean, at least to me, that the average
cost of a decent contractor saw is going to pee an arc that reaches $1000 in
short order, with cabinet saws jumping proportionately.
The company estimate was originally for a $150 addition in cost to the saw.
With government intervention, any need for price moderation disappears, and
we're quite possibly looking at another $600 hammer.
No thanks.
Charlie Self
I think we agree, the past is over.
George W. Bush
I took a .38 caliber to the chest with body armor a few years ago -
completely knocked me on my ass and cracked a rib.
I don't even think I'd test the Saw Stop by putting my finger on the flat
side of the blade at full rpm - just the friction burn would hurt! :-)
Jums
"David B. Chamberlain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Rich Davis, the inventor of soft body armor, routinely shoots himself to
> prove that his product works. It is amazing to watch him take a 6" 44
> magnum, hold it against his chest, and pull the trigger. I believe that
he
> has done this over 1,200 times. He truly believes in his product.
> SawStop likes to test their product with a hot dog. I guess that they
> have done one test where they slowly touched the blade. I would like to
see
> a real demo of the product where they rip a piece of wood and run their
> fingers directly into the saw blade. You figure that when you rip a piece
> of wood you move the wood 10 or 20 inches in 3 to 5 seconds. Now THAT
would
> be an interesting demo.
Rich Davis, the inventor of soft body armor, routinely shoots himself to
prove that his product works. It is amazing to watch him take a 6" 44
magnum, hold it against his chest, and pull the trigger. I believe that he
has done this over 1,200 times. He truly believes in his product.
SawStop likes to test their product with a hot dog. I guess that they
have done one test where they slowly touched the blade. I would like to see
a real demo of the product where they rip a piece of wood and run their
fingers directly into the saw blade. You figure that when you rip a piece
of wood you move the wood 10 or 20 inches in 3 to 5 seconds. Now THAT would
be an interesting demo.
--
David Chamberlain
[email protected]
remove nospam to reach me
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lawrence Rottersman asks:
>
> >I haven't been paying that much attention to this thread, but you guys
> >got me to turn around. Are you actually saying you would rather lose a
> >finger or a hand than buy a new saw?
>
> I'd be interested to find out how many people have lost an entire hand to
a
> table saw. Some, I'm sure, but....
>
> As to the rest, I don't think anyone is saying they'd rather lose a finger
than
> buy a new tablesaw, though in some cases with the rise in price that
SawStop is
> certain to bring, that might be an option for people who otherwise would
have
> to drop out of woodworking.
>
> What they're saying, IMO, is that they do not see a company worming its
way
> into government arenas to force us to buy a safety attachment that is
proven,
> to some extent anyway, in experimentation, but unprove in real life use.
There
> are other methods that can help prevent, or reduce the severity, of
accidents
> at relatively low cost, with no harmful effect on the tool after it use.
> European style crown guards are one. Over-the-blade box guards are
another.
> Splitters are another.
>
> We have no information, and SawStop is carefully not providing any, on
whether
> or not the reaction of the brake will ruin the saw, the blade, whatever.
> Supposedly, you can pop in a new cartridge and merrily saw away.
Practically,
> one does have to wonder what that sudden stop, and quick drop, will do to
a
> carbide tipped saw blade, not to mention the arbor bearings and the arbor
> itself.
>
> So, no: no one wants to lose a finger in preference to buying a new saw,
but we
> do wonder, if my above suppositions are correct, why in the hell we should
> allow the government to force us to buy unproven technology. I'm often
classed
> as a liberal, but I do not see this as a political issue. It is an issue
of
> overweening business arrogance, added to a similar dose of "We know what's
good
> for ya" from the Feds, which tends to mean, at least to me, that the
average
> cost of a decent contractor saw is going to pee an arc that reaches $1000
in
> short order, with cabinet saws jumping proportionately.
>
> The company estimate was originally for a $150 addition in cost to the
saw.
> With government intervention, any need for price moderation disappears,
and
> we're quite possibly looking at another $600 hammer.
>
> No thanks.
>
>
>
> Charlie Self
>
> I think we agree, the past is over.
> George W. Bush
>
>
>
>
>
>
David Chamberlain writes:
>Rich Davis, the inventor of soft body armor, routinely shoots himself to
>prove that his product works. It is amazing to watch him take a 6" 44
>magnum, hold it against his chest, and pull the trigger. I believe that he
>has done this over 1,200 times. He truly believes in his product.
I'd say he's also a masochist or an overly macho type. If he's using a full
load in each cartridge, that's one helluva whap in the chest.
I'm not exactly sure why so many people think company owners or product
develepors should put themselves in harm's way: it's marketing, but it's not
sensible. Even if the SawStop works as indicated, the testee is going to have
some fairly serious nicks. Slip up and slide a bone into the wrong position and
you could be out of work for some time. It makes sense to me to not do that,
which is why NHTSA uses crash dummies and almost every business that works with
hazardous items uses robots or dummies.
Charlie Self
I think we agree, the past is over.
George W. Bush
Soft Body Armor may use dummies too.
Phil
Charlie Self wrote:
> David Chamberlain writes:
>
>
>>Rich Davis, the inventor of soft body armor, routinely shoots himself to
>>prove that his product works. It is amazing to watch him take a 6" 44
>>magnum, hold it against his chest, and pull the trigger. I believe that he
>>has done this over 1,200 times. He truly believes in his product.
>
>
> I'd say he's also a masochist or an overly macho type. If he's using a full
> load in each cartridge, that's one helluva whap in the chest.
>
> I'm not exactly sure why so many people think company owners or product
> develepors should put themselves in harm's way: it's marketing, but it's not
> sensible. Even if the SawStop works as indicated, the testee is going to have
> some fairly serious nicks. Slip up and slide a bone into the wrong position and
> you could be out of work for some time. It makes sense to me to not do that,
> which is why NHTSA uses crash dummies and almost every business that works with
> hazardous items uses robots or dummies.
>
>
> Charlie Self
>
> I think we agree, the past is over.
> George W. Bush
>
>
>
>
>
>
On 14 Jul 2003 18:41:27 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
wrote:
>David Chamberlain writes:
>
>>Rich Davis, the inventor of soft body armor, routinely shoots himself to
>>prove that his product works. It is amazing to watch him take a 6" 44
>>magnum, hold it against his chest, and pull the trigger. I believe that he
>>has done this over 1,200 times. He truly believes in his product.
>
>I'd say he's also a masochist or an overly macho type. If he's using a full
>load in each cartridge, that's one helluva whap in the chest.
>
>I'm not exactly sure why so many people think company owners or product
>develepors should put themselves in harm's way: it's marketing, but it's not
>sensible. Even if the SawStop works as indicated, the testee is going to have
>some fairly serious nicks. Slip up and slide a bone into the wrong position and
>you could be out of work for some time. It makes sense to me to not do that,
>which is why NHTSA uses crash dummies and almost every business that works with
>hazardous items uses robots or dummies.
How about using the much-maligned Shop Cat push stick?
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:00:29 GMT, Lawrence Rottersman
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >I haven't been paying that much attention to this thread, but you guys
> >got me to turn around. Are you actually saying you would rather lose a
> >finger or a hand than buy a new saw? Even the most scrupulously careful
> >can have an accident. Or don't you believe that?
>
>
>
I'm basically libeterian, and I swing conservative or liberal depending
on my mood, but what I am constant about is the belief that people
should be free to do what they please with their own bodies, so long as
it does not intefer with the safety of others, which is why having
brakes on your car is a good idea to be mandatory, while wearing
seatbelts (also a good idea) should not be required by law. Nobody
(imho) looking at a tablesaw cutting wood for the first time needs a
politican to tell him what it can do to his bodyparts.
I also think companies should be free to make as much money as they can,
although not by way of Enron, World Com, etc., and they should do so out
of their pocket, not that of the public treasury
Anyway, in reference to the two people whose posts I reacted to did, for
me, make the inference clear they would not buy Sawstop because it
wrecked the saw when it worked. However, I'm quite sure they are smarter
than my smart-assed remarks above and are more than welcome to my
apology if they think one is needed.
One last thought. Safety, if taken too far, can be dangerous too, as in
the overly prudent driver. But for people like me, who have to balance
their love of woodworking with their inclination to carelessness, than
safety does have more than usual importance.
No, nobody has ever said that. Don't bother attributing statements
> that were never made. It's pig-ignorant.
>
> There are a number of other more relevant issues: Including:
>
> I, nor anybody I know, has lost any body parts to a circular saw. I
> have had a few injuries and bruises through kickback. Sawstop does not
> stop that. Therefore. based on MY experience, it's useless.
>
> Yes, the careful can have an accident. But most do not. It's all about
> responsibility. Some would be better taking up knitting. If you simply
> pay attention, concentrate and ALWAYS know where your hands are, it's
> hard to get cut.
>
> Sawstop says "all the right things", but it's really about them making
> lots of money, by compulsion.
>
> If it goes off with wet wood, will they give me money-back warranty on
> all the parts that require replacement. No they will not.
>
> What's the total cost of mandated sawstops vs the cost of the
> accidents they would have prevented. I will not accept any figures
> Sawstop produce, they have a vested interest here.
>
> Barry Lennox
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
"Frank Ketchum" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "todd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Oh, and I'm a big fan of hot dogs. Now Randall Simon (Pirates first
> > baseman) is another story. He must have been beaten up by an Italian
> > sausage as a child.
>
> That was hands down the most entertaining highlight of the baseball season
> thus far. They were calling it "sausagegate" on ESPN last night.
Can you post the links?
-- Ernie
"Scott Cramer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 11 Jul 2003, Ernie Jurick spake unto rec.woodworking:
>
> >> You say in jest Oscar Mayer was the only person saved. Just remember
> >> this the next time you carelessly get your wiener in the spinning
> >> blade of your table saw. You will wish you had a saw stop.
> >>
> >> I understand that the test wieners of the world are protesting being
> >> used as test meat for the Saw Stop. Their spokeswiener was quoted as
> >> saying, "We are not just going to sit on our BUNS and let this
> >> happen. Our right have been lagging behind other meats and we have to
> >> KETCHUP before we end up sitting in a pot of beans. We RELISH the
> >> thought of protesting with all the efforts we can MUSTARD."
> >
> > Chili out, dude.
>
> These are some of the wurst puns ever.
I thought those were palindromes.
> You say in jest Oscar Mayer was the only person saved. Just remember
> this the next time you carelessly get your wiener in the spinning
> blade of your table saw. You will wish you had a saw stop.
>
> I understand that the test wieners of the world are protesting being
> used as test meat for the Saw Stop. Their spokeswiener was quoted as
> saying, "We are not just going to sit on our BUNS and let this happen.
> Our right have been lagging behind other meats and we have to KETCHUP
> before we end up sitting in a pot of beans. We RELISH the thought of
> protesting with all the efforts we can MUSTARD."
Here in Chicago, they would also PEPPER them with questions. (Sorry, I
can't think of anything funny with cucumbers, tomatoes and onions. And
ketchup goes on a burger, not a dog).
todd
"Scott Cramer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 11 Jul 2003, todd spake unto rec.woodworking:
>
> >> >> You say in jest Oscar Mayer was the only person saved. Just
remember
> >> >> this the next time you carelessly get your wiener in the spinning
> >> >> blade of your table saw. You will wish you had a saw stop.
> >> >>
> >> >> I understand that the test wieners of the world are protesting being
> >> >> used as test meat for the Saw Stop. Their spokeswiener was quoted as
> >> >> saying, "We are not just going to sit on our BUNS and let this
> >> >> happen. Our right have been lagging behind other meats and we have
to
> >> >> KETCHUP before we end up sitting in a pot of beans. We RELISH the
> >> >> thought of protesting with all the efforts we can MUSTARD."
> >> >
> >> > Chili out, dude.
> >>
> >> These are some of the wurst puns ever.
> >
> > I thought those were palindromes.
>
> Are you originally from Bolton?
No. "Ah, hah. So the pet store owner's brother was lying". "Well, you
can't blame British rail for that."
Sometimes this group looks like one big argument sketch.
todd
"Traves W. Coppock" wrote in message:
> might have been, and now he's just being a SAUERKRAUT
Wait just one darn minute . . . if you're going to play the game, you gotta
know the rules.
#1 - Never ( I repeat *never*) re-use a word, part of a word, or reference
a word which has already been used.
#2 - Refer to #1 until I come up with some more.
Now - go back and re-read all this trivial crap and mend your ways my son.
Jums
"Ernie Jurick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "todd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > > You say in jest Oscar Mayer was the only person saved. Just remember
> > > this the next time you carelessly get your wiener in the spinning
> > > blade of your table saw. You will wish you had a saw stop.
> > >
> > > I understand that the test wieners of the world are protesting being
> > > used as test meat for the Saw Stop. Their spokeswiener was quoted as
> > > saying, "We are not just going to sit on our BUNS and let this happen.
> > > Our right have been lagging behind other meats and we have to KETCHUP
> > > before we end up sitting in a pot of beans. We RELISH the thought of
> > > protesting with all the efforts we can MUSTARD."
> >
> > Here in Chicago, they would also PEPPER them with questions. (Sorry, I
> > can't think of anything funny with cucumbers, tomatoes and onions. And
> > ketchup goes on a burger, not a dog).
>
> Depends on where you're from.
> -- Ernie
Right. If you're in some place like New York, ketchup is OK.
todd
"Frank Ketchum" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm not asking for political comment here about wether or not sawstop
should
> be doing what they are doing.
>
> What I am wondering if the device actually works as well as they say it
> does.
> So the real question is, Has anyone actually installed one of these and
had
> it prevent an injury yet (or know of anyone who has)?
>
> Frank
To my knowledge, there are no saws in production that have this feature. No
manufacturer has agreed to include the technology on their saws, and SawStop
themselves is taking pre-orders but (again to my knowledge) has yet to
deliver a saw to a consumer. So, for now, the only person saved so far is
Oscar Mayer.
todd
On 11 Jul 2003, Ernie Jurick spake unto rec.woodworking:
>> You say in jest Oscar Mayer was the only person saved. Just remember
>> this the next time you carelessly get your wiener in the spinning
>> blade of your table saw. You will wish you had a saw stop.
>>
>> I understand that the test wieners of the world are protesting being
>> used as test meat for the Saw Stop. Their spokeswiener was quoted as
>> saying, "We are not just going to sit on our BUNS and let this
>> happen. Our right have been lagging behind other meats and we have to
>> KETCHUP before we end up sitting in a pot of beans. We RELISH the
>> thought of protesting with all the efforts we can MUSTARD."
>
> Chili out, dude.
These are some of the wurst puns ever.
On 11 Jul 2003, Jim Mc Namara spake unto rec.woodworking:
>> These are some of the wurst puns ever.
>
> Quit yer complaining - I bet you were a bratt when you was a kid.
I was only being frank - furtermore, I didn't mean to knock wurst puns, and
I wasn't making a beef, so get off my cas(ing).
Scott, on a roll.
On 11 Jul 2003, todd spake unto rec.woodworking:
>> >> You say in jest Oscar Mayer was the only person saved. Just remember
>> >> this the next time you carelessly get your wiener in the spinning
>> >> blade of your table saw. You will wish you had a saw stop.
>> >>
>> >> I understand that the test wieners of the world are protesting being
>> >> used as test meat for the Saw Stop. Their spokeswiener was quoted as
>> >> saying, "We are not just going to sit on our BUNS and let this
>> >> happen. Our right have been lagging behind other meats and we have to
>> >> KETCHUP before we end up sitting in a pot of beans. We RELISH the
>> >> thought of protesting with all the efforts we can MUSTARD."
>> >
>> > Chili out, dude.
>>
>> These are some of the wurst puns ever.
>
> I thought those were palindromes.
Are you originally from Bolton?
On 11 Jul 2003, todd spake unto rec.woodworking:
>
> "Scott Cramer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 11 Jul 2003, todd spake unto rec.woodworking:
>>
>> >> >> You say in jest Oscar Mayer was the only person saved. Just
> remember
>> >> >> this the next time you carelessly get your wiener in the
>> >> >> spinning blade of your table saw. You will wish you had a saw
>> >> >> stop.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I understand that the test wieners of the world are protesting
>> >> >> being used as test meat for the Saw Stop. Their spokeswiener
>> >> >> was quoted as saying, "We are not just going to sit on our BUNS
>> >> >> and let this happen. Our right have been lagging behind other
>> >> >> meats and we have
> to
>> >> >> KETCHUP before we end up sitting in a pot of beans. We RELISH
>> >> >> the thought of protesting with all the efforts we can MUSTARD."
>> >> >
>> >> > Chili out, dude.
>> >>
>> >> These are some of the wurst puns ever.
>> >
>> > I thought those were palindromes.
>>
>> Are you originally from Bolton?
>
> No. "Ah, hah. So the pet store owner's brother was lying". "Well,
> you can't blame British rail for that."
>
> Sometimes this group looks like one big argument sketch.
No it doesn't.
On 11 Jul 2003, Ernie Jurick spake unto rec.woodworking:
>> > Oh, and I'm a big fan of hot dogs. Now Randall Simon (Pirates
>> > first baseman) is another story. He must have been beaten up by an
>> > Italian sausage as a child.
>> That was hands down the most entertaining highlight of the baseball
>> season thus far. They were calling it "sausagegate" on ESPN last
>> night.
> Can you post the links?
Hah!
I was going to tell you to stuff it, but I didn't want to get into a
scrapple with you.
Nova <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> Jim Mc Namara wrote:
>
>> "Scott Cramer" <[email protected]> wrote in message:
>> > I was only being frank - furtermore, I didn't mean to knock wurst
>> > puns,
>> and
>> > I wasn't making a beef, so get off my cas(ing).
>> >
>> > Scott, on a roll.
>>
>> Somethin' just ain't kosher about all this Scott -
>
> Let's get this back on topic. Does the SawStop "cut the mustard"?
>
> --
> Jack Novak
> Buffalo, NY - USA
>
>
>
No They say it wont even cut the bun
"Blue" <[email protected]> wrote in message:
> I watched that demo on their site...don't know what the mechanics are, but
> sure looks like it would be hard on the machine!
That was a major consensus on this ng a year ago, Blue. Can you imagine a 3
h.p. TS (or a 5!?!) coming to a dead stop in that time frame? IIRC - it's
like an airbag - costly to use a second time and you can forget any decent
bearings or assemblage after the stop. (Alignment isn't even a mentionable
factor here.) :-) I believe all our digits are important and I still
believe that personal shop safety and awareness are the key elements to
keeping them.
Jim
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:39:41 -0700, JackD wrote:
> I'm working on my own top secret HammerStop which will prevent you from
> smashing your thumb. Sorry can't tell you all the details, but you know
> those big foam fingers that people hold up at sports events...
I wish you'd have perfected it about 30 years ago. I was adding on to my
first house with the FIL's help. Had the footing forms all nailed up and
was staking them in. The 1 x 4 straps were nailed on with 8d duplex nails
and somehow I rested my right thumb on the head of one while holding a 1 x
4 stake against the side of the form so the FIL could hammer it home with
the 8 lb maul. He missed. After I unplugged my thumb from the duplex nail head, it
looked kinda like one of theos big foam fingers, only with blood spurting
out.
-Doug
Over on SMC, a letter from $aw$top in response to an email by a SMC
member said they are trying to engineer it so that the saw won't run
without it to prevent users from disabling it.
Tim Douglass <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:17:30 +1200, Barry Lennox
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >If it goes off with wet wood, will they give me money-back warranty on
> >all the parts that require replacement. No they will not.
>
> What about hitting a nail? I know they say you can't cut metal with it
> engaged, but is a single nail enough to trip it? I've cut a lot of
> wood where I've cut through brads or even small finish nails (price
> for doing a lot of remodeling in my life and using salvaged
> materials). I've even cut a few serious framing nails. I use an old,
> cheap blade for that stuff, so I suppose I could just disable the
> SawStop when I suspected I might get into a nail, but if there
> happened to be one when I didn't expect it I'm not too thrilled about
> the idea of having to replace a bunch of expensive stuff because of
> one stupid nail.
>
> Tim Douglass
>
> http://www.DouglassClan.com
"Barry Lennox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:34:10 GMT, "Frank Ketchum"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I'm not asking for political comment here about wether or not sawstop
should
> >be doing what they are doing.
> >
> >What I am wondering if the device actually works as well as they say it
> >does.
> >So the real question is, Has anyone actually installed one of these and
had
> >it prevent an injury yet (or know of anyone who has)?
> >
> >Frank
> >
>
>
> I saw a demo, and it did certainly work, dunno what damage it did to
> the saw tho, it was dramatic. My guess is the saw will never cut
> straight again, then there's the cost. A new thing from Sawstop, a new
> blade, and possibly a new saw, or a re-alingment as well. Just learn
> to be careful!
>
> But why just table saws? they cause the most accidents, but probably
> because they are the most common tool. Routers and circular saws must
> also be up there. Why provide a "safety blanket" for one tool, and
> lull amateur woodworkers into the "parachute" syndrome?
>
> Barry Lennox
I think that table saws are the most likely candidate for this.
Routers are handheld and it is likely that stopping one with a heavy bit in
mid rotation will rip the thing out of your grasp.
Circular saws are often used to cut through wood with nails in it and are
used in the rain so they would get triggered by accident. They are hand held
so all the energy stored in the spinning blade would cause it to move around
if you stop instantaneously. It would also make them heavier.
Joiners have very heavy cutter heads so that instantaneous stopping would be
tough and would probably be rather destructive.. They also don't chop off
fingers, they only shave the ends off of them so it is not as easy to find
pictures which will make you queasy - gory pictures are necessary for
getting legislation passed.
I'm working on my own top secret HammerStop which will prevent you from
smashing your thumb. Sorry can't tell you all the details, but you know
those big foam fingers that people hold up at sports events...
-Jack
"Scott Cramer" <[email protected]> wrote in message:
> I was only being frank - furtermore, I didn't mean to knock wurst puns,
and
> I wasn't making a beef, so get off my cas(ing).
>
> Scott, on a roll.
Somethin' just ain't kosher about all this Scott -
"Jim Mc Namara" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:n%[email protected]...
>
> "Traves W. Coppock" wrote in message:
>
> > "this isn't an argument, this is contradiction"
>
> See - if you settle the argument - then you can use contradiction to avoid
> pregnancy.
>
Isn't that dickering?
-- Ernie
"todd" <[email protected]> wrote in message:
<snipped>
"We are not just going to sit on our BUNS and let this happen.
> > Our right have been lagging behind other meats and we have to KETCHUP
> > before we end up sitting in a pot of beans. We RELISH the thought of
> > protesting with all the efforts we can MUSTARD."
>
> Here in Chicago, they would also PEPPER them with questions. (Sorry, I
> can't think of anything funny with cucumbers, tomatoes and onions. And
> ketchup goes on a burger, not a dog).
I'm totally STEAMED over all the GRILLING this topic has taken. You guys
are waaay out of the BALLPARK with this one. I'm totally SAUERED over it
all -
I'm so lost, I'm going to have ask LOML to re-read all this and see if she
can make any sense of it all. Now please excuse me while I go "OSCAR!"
Jums (really reaching for that last one!)
In article <[email protected]>, "Frank Ketchum" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I'm not asking for political comment here about wether or not sawstop should
>be doing what they are doing.
>
>What I am wondering if the device actually works as well as they say it
>does.
>So the real question is, Has anyone actually installed one of these and had
>it prevent an injury yet (or know of anyone who has)?
>
SawStop's president says that he tested it on his own finger.
http://www.google.com/groups?q=sawstop+testing+human+subjects+group:rec.
woodworking&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_qdr=y&selm=iRMH9.5307%24Kw6.
3446239%40newssrv26.news.prodigy.com&rnum=1
or Google-search this newsgroup for keywords <sawstop testing human subjects>
The relevant post was made by myself on 12 Dec 2002.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
Save the baby humans - stop partial-birth abortion NOW
In article <[email protected]>,
Scott Cramer <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11 Jul 2003, Ernie Jurick spake unto rec.woodworking:
>
>>> You say in jest Oscar Mayer was the only person saved. Just remember
>>> this the next time you carelessly get your wiener in the spinning
>>> blade of your table saw. You will wish you had a saw stop.
>>>
>>> I understand that the test wieners of the world are protesting being
>>> used as test meat for the Saw Stop. Their spokeswiener was quoted as
>>> saying, "We are not just going to sit on our BUNS and let this
>>> happen. Our right have been lagging behind other meats and we have to
>>> KETCHUP before we end up sitting in a pot of beans. We RELISH the
>>> thought of protesting with all the efforts we can MUSTARD."
>>
>> Chili out, dude.
Good advice for the hot-dog in-carne-ate, old bean.
>
>These are some of the wurst puns ever.
Dont KNOCK it. The BRATS can come up with some that are far lousier.
"Ernie Jurick" <[email protected]> wrote in message:
> Can you post the links?
I damn near let this one slip past me . . . great one Ernie!
ROTFLMAOAPMP!
Jums
On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:00:29 GMT, Lawrence Rottersman
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>I haven't been paying that much attention to this thread, but you guys
>got me to turn around. Are you actually saying you would rather lose a
>finger or a hand than buy a new saw? Even the most scrupulously careful
>can have an accident. Or don't you believe that?
No, nobody has ever said that. Don't bother attributing statements
that were never made. It's pig-ignorant.
There are a number of other more relevant issues: Including:
I, nor anybody I know, has lost any body parts to a circular saw. I
have had a few injuries and bruises through kickback. Sawstop does not
stop that. Therefore. based on MY experience, it's useless.
Yes, the careful can have an accident. But most do not. It's all about
responsibility. Some would be better taking up knitting. If you simply
pay attention, concentrate and ALWAYS know where your hands are, it's
hard to get cut.
Sawstop says "all the right things", but it's really about them making
lots of money, by compulsion.
If it goes off with wet wood, will they give me money-back warranty on
all the parts that require replacement. No they will not.
What's the total cost of mandated sawstops vs the cost of the
accidents they would have prevented. I will not accept any figures
Sawstop produce, they have a vested interest here.
Barry Lennox
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 00:26:13 GMT, "CW"
<[email protected]>Crawled out of the shop and said. . .:
>Can't be done. I can get around anything.
>"Cleveland Ponder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Over on SMC, a letter from $aw$top in response to an email by a SMC
>> member said they are trying to engineer it so that the saw won't run
>> without it to prevent users from disabling it.
>>
snip
i agree. . . if its a TS witha motor...you can, to quote tim allen,
"rewire it"
Traves
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:39:41 -0700, "JackD" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Barry Lennox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:34:10 GMT, "Frank Ketchum"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>
>
>I'm working on my own top secret HammerStop which will prevent you from
>smashing your thumb. Sorry can't tell you all the details, but you know
>those big foam fingers that people hold up at sports events...
>
>-Jack
Hey, you can't do that, I've already patented "Hammerstop" It's based
around a small heat sensor in the hammer head that senses human flesh
warmth. It only works when the hammer blow is under way, an
acceleration sensor disables it at other times. When triggered, it
sets off an air-bag about the size of a basketball. Neat idea huh?
Anyway, I reckon it will only add $41.39 to the OEM cost of a hammer,
so, yes, that will represent a modest increase at the retail level.
But it will be worth it. I reckon it will save millions in health
costs each year.
But anyway, whining about the tiny little extra cost won't help. I
have petitioned the UN to make it compulsory worldwide, and they have
agreed. This is reportedly the first useful thing the UN has ever
done.
Other things coming are a "Screwdriverstop", a "Canopenerstop" a
"Papercutstop" an "Unsafesexstop" and others I cannot reveal.
Barry "The stopper" Lennox
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:54:44 GMT, "Jim Mc Namara"
<[email protected]>Crawled out of the shop and said. . .:
>
>"Traves W. Coppock" wrote in message:
>> might have been, and now he's just being a SAUERKRAUT
>
>Wait just one darn minute . . . if you're going to play the game, you gotta
>know the rules.
>
>#1 - Never ( I repeat *never*) re-use a word, part of a word, or reference
>a word which has already been used.
>
>#2 - Refer to #1 until I come up with some more.
>
>Now - go back and re-read all this trivial crap and mend your ways my son.
>
>Jums
>
>
>
my mommie says you arent very nice
ROFL
i musta missed the kraut line in all my laughing
i shall repaint, and thin no more
Traves
"rllipham" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:53:17 -0500, "todd"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >"Frank Ketchum" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> I'm not asking for political comment here about wether or not sawstop
> >should
> >> be doing what they are doing.
> >>
> >> What I am wondering if the device actually works as well as they say it
> >> does.
> >> So the real question is, Has anyone actually installed one of these and
> >had
> >> it prevent an injury yet (or know of anyone who has)?
> >>
> >> Frank
> >
> >To my knowledge, there are no saws in production that have this feature.
No
> >manufacturer has agreed to include the technology on their saws, and
SawStop
> >themselves is taking pre-orders but (again to my knowledge) has yet to
> >deliver a saw to a consumer. So, for now, the only person saved so far
is
> >Oscar Mayer.
> >
> >todd
> >
> You say in jest Oscar Mayer was the only person saved. Just remember
> this the next time you carelessly get your wiener in the spinning
> blade of your table saw. You will wish you had a saw stop.
>
> I understand that the test wieners of the world are protesting being
> used as test meat for the Saw Stop. Their spokeswiener was quoted as
> saying, "We are not just going to sit on our BUNS and let this happen.
> Our right have been lagging behind other meats and we have to KETCHUP
> before we end up sitting in a pot of beans. We RELISH the thought of
> protesting with all the efforts we can MUSTARD."
Chili out, dude.
-- Ernie
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:15:02 -0700, Tim Douglass
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:05:52 +1200, Barry Lennox
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>....an "Unsafesexstop" ...
>
>What, you're going to outlaw BEER!!!!
>
No not me, though I feel another good idea coming on. An alcohol
sensor that fires an airbag on the glass, if it senses more than x mg
on your breath.
Sorry, gotta rush to the Patent Office, then gotta call at the
Surgeon-Generals Office to petition him to make this complusory.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:53:17 -0500, "todd"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Frank Ketchum" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> I'm not asking for political comment here about wether or not sawstop
>should
>> be doing what they are doing.
>>
>> What I am wondering if the device actually works as well as they say it
>> does.
>> So the real question is, Has anyone actually installed one of these and
>had
>> it prevent an injury yet (or know of anyone who has)?
>>
>> Frank
>
>To my knowledge, there are no saws in production that have this feature. No
>manufacturer has agreed to include the technology on their saws, and SawStop
>themselves is taking pre-orders but (again to my knowledge) has yet to
>deliver a saw to a consumer. So, for now, the only person saved so far is
>Oscar Mayer.
>
>todd
>
You say in jest Oscar Mayer was the only person saved. Just remember
this the next time you carelessly get your wiener in the spinning
blade of your table saw. You will wish you had a saw stop.
I understand that the test wieners of the world are protesting being
used as test meat for the Saw Stop. Their spokeswiener was quoted as
saying, "We are not just going to sit on our BUNS and let this happen.
Our right have been lagging behind other meats and we have to KETCHUP
before we end up sitting in a pot of beans. We RELISH the thought of
protesting with all the efforts we can MUSTARD."
"Frank Ketchum" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "todd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > To my knowledge, there are no saws in production that have this feature.
> No
> > manufacturer has agreed to include the technology on their saws, and
> SawStop
> > themselves is taking pre-orders but (again to my knowledge) has yet to
> > deliver a saw to a consumer. So, for now, the only person saved so far
is
> > Oscar Mayer.
> >
>
> Hey, what have you got against hot dogs? lol
>
> I thought they offered it as a kit at first (still?) where you could
> retrofit your existing saw. Maybe my memory is failing, but I am pretty
> sure Sawstop was around for awhile before they decided to bring out thier
> own line of tablesaws.
>
> Frank
Well, I'm no expert on SawStop, but my recollection of their business
activities is thus:
Step 1: Offer the product to saw manufacturers as an option on saws.
Apparently, this didn't go as well as SawStop would have liked.
Step 2: SawStop decides to make their own saws, or at least pictures of
their own saws. They take preorders on these saws, but haven't delivered
one yet (AFAIK).
Step 3: Apparently, not satisfied with Steps 1 and 2, they decided to
petition the CPSC to mandate inclusion of a SawStop-like device on future
saws. They are doing this strictly as a public service. If they are forced
to make $100 per saw in the process, that's a risk they're willing to take.
Oh, sure, they're all for competition, but anyone who has ever worked in
product development knows that most of the time, the person who is first
makes the lion's share of the profits. There are, of course, notable
examples of where this has not been the case, but I'm sure SawStop is going
with the odds on this one. Besides, what do they have to lose? They sure
aren't making the cash flow as it is.
Oh, and I'm a big fan of hot dogs. Now Randall Simon (Pirates first
baseman) is another story. He must have been beaten up by an Italian
sausage as a child. But I digress. I'm just pointing out that to date, a
wiener is the only thing saved by SawStop (insert joke here).
todd
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:05:52 +1200, Barry Lennox
<[email protected]> wrote:
>....an "Unsafesexstop" ...
What, you're going to outlaw BEER!!!!
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
I watched that demo on their site...don't know what the mechanics are, but
sure looks like it would be hard on the machine!
"todd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Frank Ketchum" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I'm not asking for political comment here about wether or not sawstop
> should
> > be doing what they are doing.
> >
> > What I am wondering if the device actually works as well as they say it
> > does.
> > So the real question is, Has anyone actually installed one of these and
> had
> > it prevent an injury yet (or know of anyone who has)?
> >
> > Frank
>
> To my knowledge, there are no saws in production that have this feature.
No
> manufacturer has agreed to include the technology on their saws, and
SawStop
> themselves is taking pre-orders but (again to my knowledge) has yet to
> deliver a saw to a consumer. So, for now, the only person saved so far is
> Oscar Mayer.
>
> todd
>
>
On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 09:39:38 +1200, Barry Lennox
<[email protected]>Crawled out of the shop and said. . .:
>On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:15:02 -0700, Tim Douglass
><[email protected]> wrote:
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>>On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:05:52 +1200, Barry Lennox
>><[email protected]> wrote:
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>>>....an "Unsafesexstop" ...
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>>What, you're going to outlaw BEER!!!!
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>No not me, though I feel another good idea coming on. An alcohol
>sensor that fires an airbag on the glass, if it senses more than x mg
>on your breath.
>
>Sorry, gotta rush to the Patent Office, then gotta call at the
>Surgeon-Generals Office to petition him to make this complusory.
that'd be when i take to bringing my own glass to the party
Traves
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 20:55:56 GMT, bonomi@c-ns. (Robert Bonomi)Crawled
out of the shop and said. . .:
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>>So the real question is, Has anyone actually installed one of these and had
>>it prevent an injury yet (or know of anyone who has)?
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>You _can't_ "install" one. It has to be _built_in_ to the saw.
Bull$h1t
Jums, git the welder, torch, and that BFH in the corner. . . we'll git
this thing installed...
heheh
Traves
"Jim Mc Namara" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Ernie Jurick" <[email protected]> wrote in message:
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> > Can you post the links?
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> I damn near let this one slip past me . . . great one Ernie!
> ROTFLMAOAPMP!
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> Jums
Me too. Even after the departure this thread has taken, I had to read
Scott's response before I got it.
todd
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:34:10 GMT, "Frank Ketchum"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I'm not asking for political comment here about wether or not sawstop should
>be doing what they are doing.
>
>What I am wondering if the device actually works as well as they say it
>does.
>So the real question is, Has anyone actually installed one of these and had
>it prevent an injury yet (or know of anyone who has)?
>
>Frank
>
I saw a demo, and it did certainly work, dunno what damage it did to
the saw tho, it was dramatic. My guess is the saw will never cut
straight again, then there's the cost. A new thing from Sawstop, a new
blade, and possibly a new saw, or a re-alingment as well. Just learn
to be careful!
But why just table saws? they cause the most accidents, but probably
because they are the most common tool. Routers and circular saws must
also be up there. Why provide a "safety blanket" for one tool, and
lull amateur woodworkers into the "parachute" syndrome?
Barry Lennox
In article <[email protected]>,
Frank Ketchum <[email protected]> wrote:
>I'm not asking for political comment here about wether or not sawstop should
>be doing what they are doing.
>
>What I am wondering if the device actually works as well as they say it
>does.
>So the real question is, Has anyone actually installed one of these and had
>it prevent an injury yet (or know of anyone who has)?
You _can't_ "install" one. It has to be _built_in_ to the saw.