Making dimples

> >Hmm - you might take a look at:
> >
> >http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/smarthtml/pages/bt_core.html
>
> Yes, that's it. The 2" model at $29 is a lot cheaper than the one I
> saw for over $90 on another site.
>

You might find that bit a little unweildy for handheld use. I have a
2" one I use for cutting grooves but I use it in a router table. If I
had to cut dimples with it I'd probably chuck it in the router table
and use my lift to bring it up and then down. Although I suppose it
might be safe if you don't cut too deep or too quickly.

I've had occasion to cut circles like this once for a customer. It
was part of a decorative accent for some built ins and a mantle. I
made a simple jig out of a wooden bowl. All you do is cut a hole in
the bottom with a forstner bit and then put your router in it. Use a
collar to follow the inside diameter of the hole. The slope of the
bowl translates into a bowl shaped dimple. I used a smaller core box
bit to reduce ridges. The depressions in my pieces were more like 3"
because the house and the pieces were really large. Another guy
working on site told me the home was worth 7.5 million, to give you a
better idea of the room size.

On Jul 29, 1:57=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
> Richard:
>
> > Is there a tool or attachment that I can use to make a series of
> > dimples about 2" in diameter by a half inch deep? I envision something
> > bowl-shaped, in whatever diameter I want, that could be chucked in a
> > drill press to make a plunge cut to the desired depth. I don't have a
> > plunge router, so that's not an option.
>
> In what? Wood, metal? Perhaps a brass rod, or even a PVC pipe,
> depending.
>
> MJM

In second reading, I realized what you're trying to accomplish.
Swingman offered
a core box bit, I think that probably would do it, but very slowly? on
the
drill press.

I was off in space on my first response, I was thinking of something I
just
saw at a museum. The outside is covered in copper plates, that have
dimples, like you described.

MJM

Richard Evans wrote:

> Someone earlier mentioned a fluting bit for a router, using it in a
> drill press, but the size I need is over $90, so that's out.

Hmm - you might take a look at:

http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/smarthtml/pages/bt_core.html

(mind the wrap)

Is this a one-off, or are you planning to make a bunch of these?

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

Richard Evans wrote:

>> Is this a one-off, or are you planning to make a bunch of these?
>
> Just for my personal use, though I have a couple of dozen large pipes
> and may make a couple of racks, or maybe a multi-tiered single one.

If you were going to produce a substantial number, I'd have suggested
tracking down a shop nearby with a CNC router to cut ovoid bowls.

As long as I have you on the line, are you aware of any current sources
for the bits used to bore out the bowls?

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

Richard Evans wrote:
> Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Richard Evans wrote:
>>
>>>> Is this a one-off, or are you planning to make a bunch of these?
>>> Just for my personal use, though I have a couple of dozen large pipes
>>> and may make a couple of racks, or maybe a multi-tiered single one.
>> If you were going to produce a substantial number, I'd have suggested
>> tracking down a shop nearby with a CNC router to cut ovoid bowls.
>>
>> As long as I have you on the line, are you aware of any current sources
>> for the bits used to bore out the bowls?
>
> I don't make the pipes, but I subscribe to alt.smokers.pipes and there
> are guys there who could answer that.

Thanks. I'll give 'em a try.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:47:15 -0400, Richard Evans <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I've been thinking of that too, but now it's August in North Carolina,
>daytime highs around 100 with about 90% humidity and my shop is in a
>detached garage with no A/C, nor even cross ventilation. I don't
>expect to do much but plan until September when the heat breaks.
>
>Funny place, central NC. August is unbearable, then comes Labor Day
>and it's like somebody flipped a switch: temps and humidity drop
>overnight and we settle into fall, until sometime after Christmas.

Hot here in Baja, but not as bad as there..
Average in the last week has been around 92f with 50 to 70% humidity.. Down to
high 80's and slightly lower humidity at night..

Next month is the worst... Glad that we get a break on electricity cost during
the summer months..

My shop has A/C, and it's on all day, but only the lathes, BS and hand tools are
in the shop..
The grinders, TS, router table and the rest of the flatwork stuff is out on the
carport..
Even with a covered carport, sometimes the TS is too hot to touch comfortably,
and sharpening lathe tools is as quick a trip out and back in as possible..

October is when "snow bird" season begins... best months are Nov. - Feb. and
holidays are fun when visitors come down and didn't bring t-shirts and shorts..
lol


mac

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Richard:

> Is there a tool or attachment that I can use to make a series of
> dimples about 2" in diameter by a half inch deep? I envision something
> bowl-shaped, in whatever diameter I want, that could be chucked in a
> drill press to make a plunge cut to the desired depth. I don't have a
> plunge router, so that's not an option.


In what? Wood, metal? Perhaps a brass rod, or even a PVC pipe,
depending.

MJM

Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:

>Richard Evans wrote:
>
>>> Is this a one-off, or are you planning to make a bunch of these?
>>
>> Just for my personal use, though I have a couple of dozen large pipes
>> and may make a couple of racks, or maybe a multi-tiered single one.
>
>If you were going to produce a substantial number, I'd have suggested
>tracking down a shop nearby with a CNC router to cut ovoid bowls.
>
>As long as I have you on the line, are you aware of any current sources
>for the bits used to bore out the bowls?

I don't make the pipes, but I subscribe to alt.smokers.pipes and there
are guys there who could answer that.

Richard Evans wrote:

> Not practical. I'm thinking about building a pipe rack for oversized
> briar pipes. Racks for normal size pipes typically have a shelf with a
> dimple in which to rest the bowl, and above that a notched strip to
> hold the stem so the pipe sits vertically. Said shelves can be as long
> as needed to hold however many pipes you have. All my pipes are hand
> carved and extra large, so don't fit in normal racks.

> Someone earlier mentioned a fluting bit for a router, using it in a
> drill press, but the size I need is over $90, so that's out.

Another option might be to cut a cove with your table saw so instead of
each pipe having it's own "dimple" they would share a common cove. The
notched strip for the stem would maintain separation. This would be
free if you have a table saw...
--
Jack
http://jbstein.com

A rosette cutter should do the job. You'll probably have to
grind your own profile knife though.
Art

"Richard Evans" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Is there a tool or attachment that I can use to make a series of
> dimples about 2" in diameter by a half inch deep? I envision something
> bowl-shaped, in whatever diameter I want, that could be chucked in a
> drill press to make a plunge cut to the desired depth. I don't have a
> plunge router, so that's not an option.

On Jul 29, 4:35 pm, Richard Evans <[email protected]> wrote:
> Is there a tool or attachment that I can use to make a series of
> dimples about 2" in diameter by a half inch deep? I envision something
> bowl-shaped, in whatever diameter I want, that could be chucked in a
> drill press to make a plunge cut to the desired depth. I don't have a
> plunge router, so that's not an option.

Gouge, carving adze.

Richard Evans wrote:

>
> Not practical. I'm thinking about building a pipe rack for oversized
> briar pipes. Racks for normal size pipes typically have a shelf with a
> dimple in which to rest the bowl, and above that a notched strip to
> hold the stem so the pipe sits vertically. Said shelves can be as long
> as needed to hold however many pipes you have. All my pipes are hand
> carved and extra large, so don't fit in normal racks.
>
> Someone earlier mentioned a fluting bit for a router, using it in a
> drill press, but the size I need is over $90, so that's out.

I'd use a scorp:

http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?FamilyId=1825

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]

On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:00:12 -0400, Richard Evans <[email protected]>
wrote:

<snip>
>
>Table saw and radial saw. Yes, I'm considering that. It's easier on
>the radial saw: Set the blade in the rip position, then pivot it a few
>degrees to obtain the desired width. Set height to obtain desired
>depth, run the piece through as if you were ripping it.
>
>Depending on depth, it may take a cuple of passes with the blade set
>successively llower.
>
would it make them more of a conventional shape if you attached a piece if 1/2"
or so shim stock along one side, then cut the dimples as if crosscutting or
doing a dado?
Seems like that might make the "bowl holder" part of the base mostly in the
front or back of the pipe rack, depending on which side you had raised..

Just a wild-ass thought, but ya never know..

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"Richard Evans" wrote in message
> Is there a tool or attachment that I can use to make a series of
> dimples about 2" in diameter by a half inch deep? I envision something
> bowl-shaped, in whatever diameter I want, that could be chucked in a
> drill press to make a plunge cut to the desired depth. I don't have a
> plunge router, so that's not an option.

IIRC, Amana had elongated core box bits up 2 1/4" in diameter, but I don't
know if they would work at drill press speeds (although I certainly wouldn't
want to chuck one of those puppies into a _hand held_ router at any speed).

If the material is not prone to splintering and you can keep the bit sharp,
something like that just might work, along with some patience, at drill
press speeds.

DAGS "elongated core box bits" for starters.

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mac davis <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:00:12 -0400, Richard Evans <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
><snip>
>>
>>Table saw and radial saw. Yes, I'm considering that. It's easier on
>>the radial saw: Set the blade in the rip position, then pivot it a few
>>degrees to obtain the desired width. Set height to obtain desired
>>depth, run the piece through as if you were ripping it.
>>
>>Depending on depth, it may take a cuple of passes with the blade set
>>successively llower.
>>
>would it make them more of a conventional shape if you attached a piece if 1/2"
>or so shim stock along one side, then cut the dimples as if crosscutting or
>doing a dado?
>Seems like that might make the "bowl holder" part of the base mostly in the
>front or back of the pipe rack, depending on which side you had raised..
>
>Just a wild-ass thought, but ya never know..


I've been thinking of that too, but now it's August in North Carolina,
daytime highs around 100 with about 90% humidity and my shop is in a
detached garage with no A/C, nor even cross ventilation. I don't
expect to do much but plan until September when the heat breaks.

Funny place, central NC. August is unbearable, then comes Labor Day
and it's like somebody flipped a switch: temps and humidity drop
overnight and we settle into fall, until sometime after Christmas.

Richard Evans wrote:
> Is there a tool or attachment that I can use to make a series of
> dimples about 2" in diameter by a half inch deep? I envision
> something
> bowl-shaped, in whatever diameter I want, that could be chucked in a
> drill press to make a plunge cut to the desired depth. I don't have
> a
> plunge router, so that's not an option.

If its a production job, bite the bullet and buy a router then make up
a jig as required.

If it's one off, an appropriately shaped carbide burr
http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?FamilyID=943 in a Dremel or die
grinder would do it. You'd want to do some practice cuts in scrap
lumber first.

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--John
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Jack Stein <[email protected]> wrote:

>Richard Evans wrote:
>
>> Not practical. I'm thinking about building a pipe rack for oversized
>> briar pipes. Racks for normal size pipes typically have a shelf with a
>> dimple in which to rest the bowl, and above that a notched strip to
>> hold the stem so the pipe sits vertically. Said shelves can be as long
>> as needed to hold however many pipes you have. All my pipes are hand
>> carved and extra large, so don't fit in normal racks.
>
>> Someone earlier mentioned a fluting bit for a router, using it in a
>> drill press, but the size I need is over $90, so that's out.
>
>Another option might be to cut a cove with your table saw so instead of
>each pipe having it's own "dimple" they would share a common cove. The
>notched strip for the stem would maintain separation. This would be
>free if you have a table saw...

Table saw and radial saw. Yes, I'm considering that. It's easier on
the radial saw: Set the blade in the rip position, then pivot it a few
degrees to obtain the desired width. Set height to obtain desired
depth, run the piece through as if you were ripping it.

Depending on depth, it may take a cuple of passes with the blade set
successively llower.

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:35:15 -0400, Richard Evans <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Is there a tool or attachment that I can use to make a series of
>dimples about 2" in diameter by a half inch deep? I envision something
>bowl-shaped, in whatever diameter I want, that could be chucked in a
>drill press to make a plunge cut to the desired depth. I don't have a
>plunge router, so that's not an option.

Ball peen hammer.. good stress relief, as a side effect..

Lacking that, I could see something resembling a steel ball of the proper
diameter, maybe with a handle attached..
Place it on a center-punched mark and wail away with a 3 pound hammer..


mac

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mac davis <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:35:15 -0400, Richard Evans <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Is there a tool or attachment that I can use to make a series of
>>dimples about 2" in diameter by a half inch deep? I envision something
>>bowl-shaped, in whatever diameter I want, that could be chucked in a
>>drill press to make a plunge cut to the desired depth. I don't have a
>>plunge router, so that's not an option.
>
>Ball peen hammer.. good stress relief, as a side effect..
>
>Lacking that, I could see something resembling a steel ball of the proper
>diameter, maybe with a handle attached..
>Place it on a center-punched mark and wail away with a 3 pound hammer..

Not practical. I'm thinking about building a pipe rack for oversized
briar pipes. Racks for normal size pipes typically have a shelf with a
dimple in which to rest the bowl, and above that a notched strip to
hold the stem so the pipe sits vertically. Said shelves can be as long
as needed to hold however many pipes you have. All my pipes are hand
carved and extra large, so don't fit in normal racks.

Someone earlier mentioned a fluting bit for a router, using it in a
drill press, but the size I need is over $90, so that's out.

[email protected] wrote:

>Richard:
>
>> Is there a tool or attachment that I can use to make a series of
>> dimples about 2" in diameter by a half inch deep? I envision something
>> bowl-shaped, in whatever diameter I want, that could be chucked in a
>> drill press to make a plunge cut to the desired depth. I don't have a
>> plunge router, so that's not an option.
>
>
>In what? Wood, metal? Perhaps a brass rod, or even a PVC pipe,
>depending.

In wood.

Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:

>Richard Evans wrote:
>
>> Someone earlier mentioned a fluting bit for a router, using it in a
>> drill press, but the size I need is over $90, so that's out.
>
>Hmm - you might take a look at:
>
>http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/smarthtml/pages/bt_core.html

Yes, that's it. The 2" model at $29 is a lot cheaper than the one I
saw for over $90 on another site.

>
>(mind the wrap)
>
>Is this a one-off, or are you planning to make a bunch of these?

Just for my personal use, though I have a couple of dozen large pipes
and may make a couple of racks, or maybe a multi-tiered single one.