On Jan 24, 12:56=A0pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Jan 24, 10:11=A0am, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Eventually, he'll make a slip if he keeps this up and uses a jointer in
> > this fashion with regularity--imo that's inevitable; it's "when" not "if=
".
>
> That sir, is a guarantee. =A0No doubt about it. =A0That guy is an idiot of=
> the first order and seems to be proud of it.
>
> I have been doing professional woodwork for almost 35 years and I am
> proud to say I have all fingers, toes and both eyes. =A0Why? =A0I try to
> never do stupid things and don't tempt fate. =A0My accidents happen
> mostly when one of two things occur: =A0I am too tired or my helper is
> too tired and we should have gone home.
>
> The other types of accidents are what I consider an occupational
> hazard. =A0If there is a machine hiccup. =A0Or guard hangs (ever sit a
> cicular saw down and have it whizz across your foot?), a loose knot
> flies out and whacks someone, a fastener doesn't hold and something
> comes loose or falls, a ladder slips, there is a short (from wear/use)
> in a tool that causes me to get lit up, somthing slips out of your
> hand and you drop it on your foot, you trip over the trunk lines of
> air hoses and extension cords, or a brad from the gun turns back and
> goes into my hand.
>
> All of those things I can accept. =A0They are just part of it. =A0But that=
> guy is no less than retarded. =A0Soooo fucking stupid. =A0He sure wouldn't=
> be that cavalier and smarmy if he was looking for three fingered
> gloves or only needed half a pair of safety glasses. =A0And where is his
> editor? =A0Out smoking dope in the back of the building with the
> janitors?
>
> Worse, at the bottom of that nasty/smug article, you have
> opportunities to read more crap from that moron. =A0What could it be?
>
> How to set your planer blades while it is running?
>
> Removing excess body hair with your power planer?
>
> Using a wire coat hanger as an electrical plug testor (guess who
> lights up?)
>
> I guess what is so upsetting is that someone WILL try this. =A0Somebody
> with limited experience, trying to learn and teach him/herself, and
> relying on the fact that the article is printed in a publication that
> is considered somewhat of an instructional magazine.
>
> Rarely am I this surprised at anything. =A0Once was bad. =A0Twice?
> Someone should sue.
>
> Robert
Agreed, the guy's a maroon.
[email protected] wrote:
> Rarely am I this surprised at anything. Once was bad. Twice?
> Someone should sue.
Why not put add what you've just written to the article comments?
Chris
Leon wrote:
> You have to read part II to believe it.
>
> http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com:80/editorsblog/PermaLink,guid,8140705a-2659-41b1-b266-7109bc5c6615.aspx
>
> He has sealed his fate if a lawyer goes after him.
I question much if any legal liability....he pretty much said this is the
way he does it and why......while we obviously on some occasion have a
litigious society...proving such gloves caused a accident when someone is
stupid enough to stick a finger into a spinning blade and proving it was
because the author forced you into inherently unsafe practices could be a
hard sell....While he did suggest trying it, he also clearly said the status
quo did not and he clearly referenced a Feb. popular woodworking jointer
article (considerably more jointer information)......not to mention that if
you follow his "if, ands and buts" a accident would be most difficult if not
nearly impossible.....also by nature jointers have rather limited damage
potential, finger tips to first joint as most common I'd think.....It would
really take a determined effort to lose a whole hand....Lawyers likely will
not line up for single joint damages, nor is a class action likely as there
just is not enough lost tips to gloves to entice......it is also pretty much
a industry standard that in every article on projects, techniques or
equipment that not every conceivable "problem" is clearly defined....a
certain degree of competence or experience is assumed.
Incidentally within the framework of his caveats, tight and specific grip
gloves, discard when gloves no longer grab, thick enough stock, wide enough
stock, proper hand and finger placement, proper lumber selection etc.....why
is his suggestion "dangerous"? Would not the additional grip and material
control add certain safety elements? While I personally dislike gloves for
anything other than snow and blackberries vines, I'd think on a 6-8 ft 2 by
something a gloved hand might bring added control, about the only time my
push blocks etc. don't work all that well...... Rod
On Jan 24, 10:11=A0am, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
> Eventually, he'll make a slip if he keeps this up and uses a jointer in
> this fashion with regularity--imo that's inevitable; it's "when" not "if".=
That sir, is a guarantee. No doubt about it. That guy is an idiot of
the first order and seems to be proud of it.
I have been doing professional woodwork for almost 35 years and I am
proud to say I have all fingers, toes and both eyes. Why? I try to
never do stupid things and don't tempt fate. My accidents happen
mostly when one of two things occur: I am too tired or my helper is
too tired and we should have gone home.
The other types of accidents are what I consider an occupational
hazard. If there is a machine hiccup. Or guard hangs (ever sit a
cicular saw down and have it whizz across your foot?), a loose knot
flies out and whacks someone, a fastener doesn't hold and something
comes loose or falls, a ladder slips, there is a short (from wear/use)
in a tool that causes me to get lit up, somthing slips out of your
hand and you drop it on your foot, you trip over the trunk lines of
air hoses and extension cords, or a brad from the gun turns back and
goes into my hand.
All of those things I can accept. They are just part of it. But that
guy is no less than retarded. Soooo fucking stupid. He sure wouldn't
be that cavalier and smarmy if he was looking for three fingered
gloves or only needed half a pair of safety glasses. And where is his
editor? Out smoking dope in the back of the building with the
janitors?
Worse, at the bottom of that nasty/smug article, you have
opportunities to read more crap from that moron. What could it be?
How to set your planer blades while it is running?
Removing excess body hair with your power planer?
Using a wire coat hanger as an electrical plug testor (guess who
lights up?)
I guess what is so upsetting is that someone WILL try this. Somebody
with limited experience, trying to learn and teach him/herself, and
relying on the fact that the article is printed in a publication that
is considered somewhat of an instructional magazine.
Rarely am I this surprised at anything. Once was bad. Twice?
Someone should sue.
Robert
>
> This guy is confusing fear with respect for the damage a power tool
> can do. Maybe his Editor needs to step in.
> Step away from the jointer, Mr. Huey...............
>
> ROY!
This idiot is their senior editor. I don't subscribe to the mag, if I
did I would be cancelling my subscription and letting them know why.
--
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In article <[email protected]>, Curran
Copeland <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Frank Campbell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:240120081140192238%[email protected]...
> >
> >>
> >> This guy is confusing fear with respect for the damage a power tool
> >> can do. Maybe his Editor needs to step in.
> >> Step away from the jointer, Mr. Huey...............
> >>
> >> ROY!
> > This idiot is their senior editor. I don't subscribe to the mag, if I
> > did I would be cancelling my subscription and letting them know why.
> >
> > --
> > http://sawdustmaking.com
>
> Not to dispute you, but I find it hard to believe that some one with this
> little knowledge of machine safety and this little respect for his readers
> safety could be the head editor of a major wood working magazine. The
> magazines board of directors must have very low standards indeed. Is this
> magazine published by the B&D group by any chance?
>
>
Here is a list of their staff:
http://www.popularwoodworking.com/contactus
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In article <[email protected]>, Leon
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Bull on the plate, LOL
>
> That reminds me of a picture of a bill board I saw today,
>
> The Saskatoon Restaurant states,
>
> There's plenty of room for all God's creatures.
> Right next to the Mashed Potatoes
Picture here: <http://balderstone.ca/Godscreatures1.jpg>
And nowhere near Saskatoon, where I live.
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Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 9:57am (EST-1) [email protected] (Leon)
doth sayeth:
You have to read part II to believe it. <snip>
Holly bat crap Batman. I read it after I posted that link. I
quite, in part:
"I would never spend my well-earned money for a machine that frightened
me each time I used it."
I've got news for him, I'm scared of all of my power tools, to
varying degrees. Because of that I damn well pay attention when I use
them, so don't have accidents with them. If I were to make a 1/4" deep
cut on the tablesaw in 1" thick wood, I still wouldn't be putting my
hand on top of it, I'd be using a push block and/o push stick. Being
afraid of my tools makes me make sure my fingers aren't going to get in
the whirley parts. Any time a farmer gets hurt by a bull, usually turns
out he wasn't frightened by the bull. That's just what the bull was
waiting for. Personally, the only way I'll get near a bull is either
with it on a plate, or between two buns. Bulls just teetotally scare
the coondog crap out of me.
JOAT
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- Bumper Sticker
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Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 9:57am (EST-1) [email protected] (Leon)
doth sayeth:
You have to read part II to believe it. <snip>
Holly bat crap Batman. I read it after I posted that link. I
quite, in part:
"I would never spend my well-earned money for a machine that frightened
me each time I used it."
I've got news for him, I'm scared of all of my power tools, to
varying degrees. Because of that I damn well pay attention when I use
them, so don't have accidents with them. If I were to make a 1/4" deep
cut on the tablesaw in 1" thick wood, I still wouldn't be putting my
hand on top of it, I'd be using a push block and/o push stick. Being
afraid of my tools makes me make sure my fingers aren't going to get in
the whirley parts. Any time a farmer gets hurt by a bull, usually turns
out he wasn't frightened by the bull. That's just what the bull was
waiting for. Personally, the only way I'll get near a bull is either
with it on a plate, or between two buns. Bulls just teetotally scare
the coondog crap out of me.
Hmm, this may go twice. Sorry about that if so.
JOAT
10 Out Of 10 Terrorists Prefer Hillary For President
- Bumper Sticker
I don't have a problem with a woman president - just not Hillary.
"dicko" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>>
>
> This is a slightly different topic, but did anyone catch the recent
> This Old House episode where a guy was installing trim in the kitchen?
> He walks over to a table saw and then freehand rips the trim without
> benefit of fence nor miter gauge. Norm is standing right next to him
> and didnt say a peep.
;~) Norm did not peep because I have seen Norm do this also. That practice
is actually done quite often although like the article in question I would
not broad cast it all over the country. If you are cutting thin stock like
1/4 plywood and have the blade just high enough to cut, it is a wee bit
safer than it looks. There is not so much of a chance for kick back as
there would be if a stationary objuct were to be in the mix and the blade
were higher. I do not recomend the practice but it happens a lot.
> I was having a heart attack, expecting a major kickback and blood all
> over the tv camera.
I was watching the goober on The Ultimate Workshop on the DIY channel when
he was showing how to cut a dado across a board. He use the miter gauge to
guide the wood but he also left the guard and splitter in place. He had a
puzzled look in his face when the board stop moving forward after coming in
contact with the splitter. The camers should have stopped recording and the
scene edited out until some taught him how to use a TS. But no, the camera
also recorded him pulling the board back through spinning dado blade and I
almost had a cow.
Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 9:57am (EST-1) [email protected] (Leon)
doth sayeth:
You have to read part II to believe it.
http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com:80/editorsblog/PermaLink,guid,8140705a-2659-41b1-b266-7109bc5c6615.aspx
He has sealed his fate if a lawyer goes after him.
Every time I see a post about jointers, I'm always reminded of my
favorite: http://members.aol.com/woodmiser1/hook.htm Kill the lawyers.
LMAO
JOAT
10 Out Of 10 Terrorists Prefer Hillary For President
- Bumper Sticker
I don't have a problem with a woman president - just not Hillary.
"Rod & Betty Jo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I question much if any legal liability....he pretty much said this is the
> way he does it and why......while we obviously on some occasion have a
> litigious society...proving such gloves caused a accident when someone is
> stupid enough to stick a finger into a spinning blade and proving it was
> because the author forced you into inherently unsafe practices could be a
> hard sell....While he did suggest trying it, he also clearly said the
> status quo did not and he clearly referenced a Feb. popular woodworking
> jointer article (considerably more jointer information)......not to
> mention that if you follow his "if, ands and buts" a accident would be
> most difficult if not nearly impossible.....also by nature jointers have
> rather limited damage potential, finger tips to first joint as most common
> I'd think.....It would really take a determined effort to lose a whole
> hand....Lawyers likely will not line up for single joint damages, nor is a
> class action likely as there just is not enough lost tips to gloves to
> entice......it is also pretty much a industry standard that in every
> article on projects, techniques or equipment that not every conceivable
> "problem" is clearly defined....a certain degree of competence or
> experience is assumed.
Snip
While I agree that one would suspect that if some one is injured common
sense should prevail, it is still reckless to mention an unsafe practice and
publicize it 2 times, being contrary to all the comments that objected.
Don't be so sure that some one will not go after him and win. After all the
jury ultimately decides and that is a crap shoot in itself. Take Michael
Jackson and OJ for instance. The money wins. In the past few days in
Houston a Grand Jury felt that a Judge needed to go to trial for burning
down his home. The district attorney tried to change their minds and
ultimately disregarded their suggestion and dismissed the case.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Jan 24, 10:11 am, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
I guess what is so upsetting is that someone WILL try this. Somebody
with limited experience, trying to learn and teach him/herself, and
relying on the fact that the article is printed in a publication that
is considered somewhat of an instructional magazine.
Rarely am I this surprised at anything.
Robert
Robert,
I couldn't have made this point any better or agree with it any more. We
were ALL beginners at one point, probably reading this magazine (for the
newer beginners anyway) for tips and how to's to increase our knowledge, and
*this* is what's being passed along as not only safe, but so safe that
anyone who would dare contradict it deserves to be mocked???
Sittin' here and steaming,
Joe C.
"Frank Campbell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:240120081241523836%[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, Curran
> Copeland <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Frank Campbell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:240120081140192238%[email protected]...
>> >
>> >>
>> >> This guy is confusing fear with respect for the damage a power tool
>> >> can do. Maybe his Editor needs to step in.
>> >> Step away from the jointer, Mr. Huey...............
>> >>
>> >> ROY!
>> > This idiot is their senior editor. I don't subscribe to the mag, if I
>> > did I would be cancelling my subscription and letting them know why.
>> >
>> > --
>> > http://sawdustmaking.com
>>
>> Not to dispute you, but I find it hard to believe that some one with this
>> little knowledge of machine safety and this little respect for his
>> readers
>> safety could be the head editor of a major wood working magazine. The
>> magazines board of directors must have very low standards indeed. Is
>> this
>> magazine published by the B&D group by any chance?
>>
>>
> Here is a list of their staff:
> http://www.popularwoodworking.com/contactus
>
> --
> http://sawdustmaking.com
Maybe they have the old bean counter mindset, Do it cheaper and don't worry
about the quality. I wonder if he was the low bidder for the job?
"Chris Friesen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Rarely am I this surprised at anything. Once was bad. Twice?
>> Someone should sue.
>
> Why not put add what you've just written to the article comments?
>
> Chris
He is doing a little back peddling and side stepping in a response to my
comment,
I Posted,
If you want people to take you seriously you should wise up and quit
suggesting dangerous practices. I'll probably be suspicious of your comments
from this point forward. I have been doing serious woodworking for 30 years
and this and the previous article on this subject is reckless.
Many recognize your ignorance and or lack of experience with these 2
articles.
He responds,
I don't believe that bringing debate and discussion to light on such a hot
woodworking topic is reason enough to question one's seriousness to the
craft. And, I applaud your idea to be suspicious of my future comments - in
fact, I think we should be suspicious of everything we read - including
comments on this blog
"J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 9:57am (EST-1) [email protected] (Leon)
> doth sayeth:
> You have to read part II to believe it. <snip>
>
> Holly bat crap Batman. I read it after I posted that link. I
> quite, in part:
> "I would never spend my well-earned money for a machine that frightened
> me each time I used it."
>
> I've got news for him, I'm scared of all of my power tools, to
> varying degrees. Because of that I damn well pay attention when I use
> them, so don't have accidents with them. If I were to make a 1/4" deep
> cut on the tablesaw in 1" thick wood, I still wouldn't be putting my
> hand on top of it, I'd be using a push block and/o push stick. Being
> afraid of my tools makes me make sure my fingers aren't going to get in
> the whirley parts. Any time a farmer gets hurt by a bull, usually turns
> out he wasn't frightened by the bull. That's just what the bull was
> waiting for. Personally, the only way I'll get near a bull is either
> with it on a plate, or between two buns. Bulls just teetotally scare
> the coondog crap out of me.
Bull on the plate, LOL
That reminds me of a picture of a bill board I saw today,
The Saskatoon Restaurant states,
There's plenty of room for all God's creatures.
Right next to the Mashed Potatoes
Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 10:23pm (EST+5) [email protected] (Leon)
doth posteth:
Bull on the plate, LOL
That reminds me of a picture of a bill board I saw today,
The Saskatoon Restaurant states,
There's plenty of room for all God's creatures. Right next to the Mashed
Potatoes
ROTFLMAO
JOAT
10 Out Of 10 Terrorists Prefer Hillary For President
- Bumper Sticker
I don't have a problem with a woman president - just not Hillary.
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Looking at the guy's picture he just has the look of somebody who
> won't take anybody's word that the stove is hot.
That's funny. After looking at the picture, even funnier. I agree with
your comment. He kinda has that crazy look in his eyes. ;~)
"Frank Campbell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:240120081140192238%[email protected]...
>
>>
>> This guy is confusing fear with respect for the damage a power tool
>> can do. Maybe his Editor needs to step in.
>> Step away from the jointer, Mr. Huey...............
>>
>> ROY!
> This idiot is their senior editor. I don't subscribe to the mag, if I
> did I would be cancelling my subscription and letting them know why.
>
> --
> http://sawdustmaking.com
Not to dispute you, but I find it hard to believe that some one with this
little knowledge of machine safety and this little respect for his readers
safety could be the head editor of a major wood working magazine. The
magazines board of directors must have very low standards indeed. Is this
magazine published by the B&D group by any chance?
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> You have to read part II to believe it.
>
> http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com:80/editorsblog/PermaLink,guid,81407
> 05a-2659-41b1-b266-7109bc5c6615.aspx
>
> He has sealed his fate if a lawyer goes after him.
>
>
The guy's an idiot.
On Jan 24, 3:13=A0pm, "Rod & Betty Jo" <[email protected]> wrote:
SNIP
>.....also by nature jointers have rather limited damage
> potential, finger tips to first joint as most common I'd think.....It woul=
d
> really take a determined effort to lose a whole hand....
You have got to contact my next door neighbor that has worked in a
mill shop for about 15 years and let him know how you came up with
that idea.
While surface facing a piece on an 8" machine much like (exactly?) the
Huey method, the planer caught the board (gnarly area?) and tore shot
the board out from under his hand causing him to lose balance. His
hand went right onto the spinning blade. It cut off one of his
fingers and cut into the palm, knuckles, and meat of his whole hand.
His "healed hand" almost works, and they were able to sew him up and
restore a great deal of feeling.
He admitted it... he was being lazy and didn't want to walk over to
get he push pads.
Remeber he is SURFACING THE FACE, not the edge. This is the paramount
of careless stupidity to do something like this on a machine with
spinning blades.
After rereading his article, it seems to me to be worse than when I
read it the first time. All that bullshit about fear.... apparently
he hasn't seen cut off fingers, damaged eyes, damaged limbs, slashes
from edged tools, etc. I would suspect that he is "one of those"
guys that worked in his garage until this job came up. Beign a
"woodworker" for 20 years is not the same as someone that does it for
a living for 20 years. He needs to spend 8 - 10 hrs a day for about
20 years on a jobsite or in full woodworking shop that uses the same
exact tools he is using for the foolish exhibitions.
Then good people, we would be able to see how smarmy and arrogant he
is about the use of tools, especially if he is the one missing a digit
or wearing long scar.
I have been to the emergency room enough times for accidents that have
happened to me as well as my guys to last a lifetime. I can't tell
you how many times I have thought "just how in the Hell COULD this
hapen?" when it was an honest to Pete accident. Sometimes accidents
are so "rube Goldberg" that they probably couldn't be repeated if
staged.
But I never tempt fate. I never dare my tools or techniques to injure
me. I never show off by letting someone else see just exactly what I
can get away with. And truthfully, I have never seen anyone be as
stupid as that guy is to preach that as "an alternative" to a safe
way. Scarier still, he says he has students!! He is teaching people
to be like him. For them, I feel sorry as I know how the story ends.
If he scoffs as being "afraid" of a jointer, then then think of how
careless he might be when using other tools that seem to be less
dangerous.
That guy is a nightmare.
Robert
On Jan 24, 5:07 pm, [email protected] (J T) wrote:
> Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 9:57am (EST-1) [email protected] (Leon)
> doth sayeth:
> You have to read part II to believe it. <snip>
>
> Holly bat crap Batman. I read it after I posted that link. I
> quite, in part:
> "I would never spend my well-earned money for a machine that frightened
> me each time I used it."
>
> I've got news for him, I'm scared of all of my power tools, to
> varying degrees. Because of that I damn well pay attention when I use
> them, so don't have accidents with them. If I were to make a 1/4" deep
> cut on the tablesaw in 1" thick wood, I still wouldn't be putting my
> hand on top of it, I'd be using a push block and/o push stick. Being
> afraid of my tools makes me make sure my fingers aren't going to get in
> the whirley parts. Any time a farmer gets hurt by a bull, usually turns
> out he wasn't frightened by the bull. That's just what the bull was
> waiting for. Personally, the only way I'll get near a bull is either
> with it on a plate, or between two buns. Bulls just teetotally scare
> the coondog crap out of me.
A little fear is healthy. A lack of fear is stupid. I don't shake with
fear when working on my machines, but I damned well am bright enough
to fear what they can do if I contribute my own stupidity to their
lack of ability to think for me.
"ROY!" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
> Doesn't appear to be back peddling to me. Seems he took a shot at you
> and is displaying incredible stubborness and arrogance by not just
> deleting his jointer procedure and taking the high road. He's trying
> real hard to defend the indefensible.
>
> ROY!
>
Well I guess you can read it that way too. I was generously giving him the
benefit of the doubt.
I agree with you, he should remove the articles.
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:57:30 -0600, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>You have to read part II to believe it.
>
>http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com:80/editorsblog/PermaLink,guid,8140705a-2659-41b1-b266-7109bc5c6615.aspx
>
>He has sealed his fate if a lawyer goes after him.
>
This guy is confusing fear with respect for the damage a power tool
can do. Maybe his Editor needs to step in.
Step away from the jointer, Mr. Huey...............
ROY!
Leon wrote:
> You have to read part II to believe it.
>
...
As a respondent noted, what's critical here is what he actually does w/
his hands--the way that picture shows, one presumes he simply passes the
board over the knives counting on the friction on the surface to keep
the workpiece where it is--that's fine until the one time it doesn't and
he's got a hand pushing down over the knives--then he's lost a lot of
flesh in a hurry.
I use hand feed w/ and/or w/o a stick or pad depending on the size of
the material, but as that responder noted, _NEVER_ let the hands come
close to the knife opening and always retain a fixed position behind a
piece of work to ensure more than simply friction is at work behind
it--thus a push stick or pad w/ lip for virtually all flat work unless
the thickness is sufficient.
Eventually, he'll make a slip if he keeps this up and uses a jointer in
this fashion with regularity--imo that's inevitable; it's "when" not "if".
--
Rod & Betty Jo wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> You have to read part II to believe it.
>>
>> http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com:80/editorsblog/PermaLink,guid,8140705a-2659-41b1-b266-7109bc5c6615.aspx
>>
>> He has sealed his fate if a lawyer goes after him.
>
>
> I question much if any legal liability....he pretty much said this
> is
> the
> way he does it and why......while we obviously on some occasion have
> a
> litigious society...proving such gloves caused a accident when
> someone is
> stupid enough to stick a finger into a spinning blade
Proving the gloves caused the accident, no, that would be hard.
Proving that the gloves are the reason you lost your whole hand and
not just your fingertips, that would be a lot easier.
> and proving it
> was
> because the author forced you into inherently unsafe practices could
> be a
> hard sell....
Force, no. Misled into believing it was a safe practice, that's
another story.
> While he did suggest trying it, he also clearly said the
> status
> quo did not and he clearly referenced a Feb. popular woodworking
> jointer
> article (considerably more jointer information)......not to mention
> that if
> you follow his "if, ands and buts" a accident would be most
> difficult
> if not
> nearly impossible.....also by nature jointers have rather limited
> damage
> potential, finger tips to first joint as most common I'd think.....
Without the gloves, yes, but note that in a jointer accident all they
can do is stop the bleeding, there is no surgical reattachment of
hamburger. And once the blades have the gloves it's not going to stop
chewing on you until it stalls or the gloves come off or it chews up
to a point above the gloves.
> It
> would
> really take a determined effort to lose a whole hand....
Without gloves you'd have to work at it. The gloves are the scary
part of what he's recommending.
> Lawyers
> likely will
> not line up for single joint damages, nor is a class action likely
> as
> there
> just is not enough lost tips to gloves to entice......it is also
> pretty much
> a industry standard that in every article on projects, techniques or
> equipment that not every conceivable "problem" is clearly
> defined....a
> certain degree of competence or experience is assumed.
>
> Incidentally within the framework of his caveats, tight and
> specific
> grip
> gloves, discard when gloves no longer grab, thick enough stock, wide
> enough
> stock, proper hand and finger placement, proper lumber selection
> etc.....why
> is his suggestion "dangerous"? Would not the additional grip and
> material
> control add certain safety elements? While I personally dislike
> gloves for
> anything other than snow and blackberries vines, I'd think on a 6-8
> ft 2 by
> something a gloved hand might bring added control, about the only
> time my
> push blocks etc. don't work all that well......
If it's a 6 foot 2xsomething I'd handle it bare-handed, not with
gloves. Easy to keep your hands away from the cutter with something
that big.
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Frank Campbell wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Curran
> Copeland <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Frank Campbell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:240120081140192238%[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> This guy is confusing fear with respect for the damage a power
>>>> tool
>>>> can do. Maybe his Editor needs to step in.
>>>> Step away from the jointer, Mr. Huey...............
>>>>
>>>> ROY!
>>> This idiot is their senior editor. I don't subscribe to the mag,
>>> if
>>> I did I would be cancelling my subscription and letting them know
>>> why.
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://sawdustmaking.com
>>
>> Not to dispute you, but I find it hard to believe that some one
>> with
>> this little knowledge of machine safety and this little respect for
>> his readers safety could be the head editor of a major wood working
>> magazine. The magazines board of directors must have very low
>> standards indeed. Is this magazine published by the B&D group by
>> any chance?
>>
>>
> Here is a list of their staff:
> http://www.popularwoodworking.com/contactus
Looking at the guy's picture he just has the look of somebody who
won't take anybody's word that the stove is hot.
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Douglas Johnson wrote:
> Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> A little fear is healthy. A lack of fear is stupid.
>
> Right. Fear is your body's way of saying "Pay attention."
Starbuck, the Second Mate in Moby Dick, said "I will not have a man in
my boat who is not afraid of a whale".
The chapter can be found at
http://www.americanliterature.com/Melville/MobyDickorTheWhale/27.html.
Might find it interesting, as it touches on the utility of reasonable
fear. Note that Melville did not write from theory, he spent 18 months
aboard a whaler.
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Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
>A little fear is healthy. A lack of fear is stupid.
Right. Fear is your body's way of saying "Pay attention."
-- Doug
"J T" told us...
> Any time a farmer gets hurt by a bull, usually turns
> out he wasn't frightened by the bull. That's just what the bull was
> waiting for. Personally, the only way I'll get near a bull is either
> with it on a plate, or between two buns. Bulls just teetotally scare
> the coondog crap out of me.
>
>
As an old farmboy, I can relate. I can't begin to tell you all the problems
that a fully intact bull can cause. Many city slickers are fascinated by
such things as they have no direct knowledge or experience with "authentic
bull stories".
To paraphrase my grandfather, "Anything on a farm with testicles is big
trouble".
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:49:30 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>He is doing a little back peddling and side stepping in a response to my
>comment,
>
>I Posted,
>
>If you want people to take you seriously you should wise up and quit
>suggesting dangerous practices. I'll probably be suspicious of your comments
>from this point forward. I have been doing serious woodworking for 30 years
>and this and the previous article on this subject is reckless.
>Many recognize your ignorance and or lack of experience with these 2
>articles.
>
>He responds,
>
>I don't believe that bringing debate and discussion to light on such a hot
>woodworking topic is reason enough to question one's seriousness to the
>craft. And, I applaud your idea to be suspicious of my future comments - in
>fact, I think we should be suspicious of everything we read - including
>comments on this blog
>
Doesn't appear to be back peddling to me. Seems he took a shot at you
and is displaying incredible stubborness and arrogance by not just
deleting his jointer procedure and taking the high road. He's trying
real hard to defend the indefensible.
ROY!
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:49:30 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Chris Friesen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> Rarely am I this surprised at anything. Once was bad. Twice?
>>> Someone should sue.
>>
>> Why not put add what you've just written to the article comments?
>>
>> Chris
>
>
>He is doing a little back peddling and side stepping in a response to my
>comment,
>
>I Posted,
>
>If you want people to take you seriously you should wise up and quit
>suggesting dangerous practices. I'll probably be suspicious of your comments
>from this point forward. I have been doing serious woodworking for 30 years
>and this and the previous article on this subject is reckless.
>Many recognize your ignorance and or lack of experience with these 2
>articles.
>
>He responds,
>
>I don't believe that bringing debate and discussion to light on such a hot
>woodworking topic is reason enough to question one's seriousness to the
>craft. And, I applaud your idea to be suspicious of my future comments - in
>fact, I think we should be suspicious of everything we read - including
>comments on this blog
>
>
>
>
This is a slightly different topic, but did anyone catch the recent
This Old House episode where a guy was installing trim in the kitchen?
He walks over to a table saw and then freehand rips the trim without
benefit of fence nor miter gauge. Norm is standing right next to him
and didnt say a peep.
I was having a heart attack, expecting a major kickback and blood all
over the tv camera.
-dickm
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:57:30 -0600, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>You have to read part II to believe it.
>
>http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com:80/editorsblog/PermaLink,guid,8140705a-2659-41b1-b266-7109bc5c6615.aspx
>
>He has sealed his fate if a lawyer goes after him.
>
I have not been afraid of my DJ20 jointer, but I do respect it and
keep my hands clear above the spinning blades. I still use the
rubber-based push blocks. I would need more convincing/training
before using gloves as illustrated. I still think the best safety
tool is a clear-thinking brain, and I still have all ten digits after
40+ years of woodworking.