I work almost exclusively in an unheated garage (in Michigan). During
the winter months I tend to only work on the more fair days but I
would like to find a wood glue (if one exists) that can be stored in a
garage where temperatures get below freezing. Does such beast exist
and if so what kind of extremes are we talking.
Thanks in advance
PS:Please do not try to contact via the address, it is jsut for google
posting purposes.
On 27 Oct 2003 18:40:01 -0800, [email protected] (daryl1138) wrote:
>I work almost exclusively in an unheated garage (in Michigan). During
>the winter months I tend to only work on the more fair days but I
>would like to find a wood glue (if one exists) that can be stored in a
>garage where temperatures get below freezing. Does such beast exist
>and if so what kind of extremes are we talking.
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>PS:Please do not try to contact via the address, it is jsut for google
>posting purposes.
Maybe--I havn't heard about such glue. But the typical yellow
carpenter's glue (made from milk I believe) should not be subjected to
freezing temperatures. I'd like to hear about glues that can be
frozen, though.
Phisherman states:
>
>Maybe--I havn't heard about such glue. But the typical yellow
>carpenter's glue (made from milk I believe) should not be subjected to
>freezing temperatures. I'd like to hear about glues that can be
>frozen, though.
First, yellow glues are PVAs, not made from milk--you're thinking of casein
glues, I believe.
Second, most PVAs can be frozen and used after thawing, but there are a limited
number of cycles.
Third, using cold glue in a cold shop is a great way to get a weak joint that
will fail prematurely.
Charlie Self
"Ain't no man can avoid being born average, but there ain't no man got to be
common." Satchel Paige
Bill Delphenich wrote:
> woodworking and I'm thinking the fridge might keep the glues and stuff
> from freezing.
>
> Anyone tried this?
It probably would keep them from freezing, I'd expect.
Brewkies in the shop sounds like a bad plan unless you're one of those guys
who can drink five gallons of beer without getting wasted. Me, after just
one I don't trust myself to use power tools (especially not the table saw),
and after two I don't trust myself to use hand tools. I get sloshed on
three beers usually. Four I'm completely hammered, and five I'm a pukey
duck.
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"Bill Delphenich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> One thing I'm going to try is putting a refrigerator in my (frozen)
> shop. Having a supply of brewskies near at hand always improves my
> woodworking and I'm thinking the fridge might keep the glues and stuff
> from freezing.
>
> Anyone tried this?
Refrigerators in cold areas are another potential problem. It may or may not
work. Some will cease working completely from the cold as they are designed
for ambient over 50 degrees.
If the ambient gets below freezing, so will the inside of the fridge, it
will just take longer as it is insulated.
Ed
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:33:02 -0500, Bill Delphenich
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>My yellow glue froze last year in my shop. It turned into something
>resembling stiff yellow foam. It never returned to a liquid state and I
>threw it out.
>
>One thing I'm going to try is putting a refrigerator in my (frozen)
>shop. Having a supply of brewskies near at hand always improves my
>woodworking and I'm thinking the fridge might keep the glues and stuff
>from freezing.
>
>Anyone tried this?
>
>
I love beer, but I love woodworking more. The trick is keeping the
two separate for safety sake.
My yellow glue froze last year in my shop. It turned into something
resembling stiff yellow foam. It never returned to a liquid state and I
threw it out.
One thing I'm going to try is putting a refrigerator in my (frozen)
shop. Having a supply of brewskies near at hand always improves my
woodworking and I'm thinking the fridge might keep the glues and stuff
from freezing.
Anyone tried this?
Charlie Self wrote:
> Phisherman states:
>
>
>>Maybe--I havn't heard about such glue. But the typical yellow
>>carpenter's glue (made from milk I believe) should not be subjected to
>>freezing temperatures. I'd like to hear about glues that can be
>>frozen, though.
>
>
> First, yellow glues are PVAs, not made from milk--you're thinking of casein
> glues, I believe.
>
> Second, most PVAs can be frozen and used after thawing, but there are a limited
> number of cycles.
>
> Third, using cold glue in a cold shop is a great way to get a weak joint that
> will fail prematurely.
On 27 Oct 2003 18:40:01 -0800, [email protected] (daryl1138) wrote:
>I work almost exclusively in an unheated garage (in Michigan). During
>the winter months I tend to only work on the more fair days but I
>would like to find a wood glue (if one exists) that can be stored in a
>garage where temperatures get below freezing. Does such beast exist
>and if so what kind of extremes are we talking.
When I've worked in setups like yours, I simply built some trays with
handles to hold stuff that shouldn't freeze. At the end of each
session, I simply brought the trays inside and stored them.
Brightly painted milk crates also work well. At most, you'll
probably have one or two.
This is less of a pain then you'd think and also works well for
materials stored in trucks.
Barry
"Bob G" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:oklnb.134
> A simple small box 12"x12 " or so...with a small electric light (15
> watt ).. is what I use every wnter...
I use the box, not the light. I just carry glue and paints into the house.
Ed
I use TiteBond pretty much exclusively now, having forsaken Elmer's long
ago. I notice some increased thickness but it does work ok here. With that
said, winters in Oklahoma usually don't go below about 10 degrees F, but
like you I work in a completely unheated garage. Usually the only way I get
heat out there is to spend 30 minutes welding something. ;) I built my
wife's 3 china cabinets out there last winter in about 30 degree weather and
they're fine.
The label does say that temperatures below freezing will "not affect this
product, though may cause thickening".
Michigan is alot colder, so I don't know what your results may be, but good
luck!
George
"daryl1138" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I work almost exclusively in an unheated garage (in Michigan). During
> the winter months I tend to only work on the more fair days but I
> would like to find a wood glue (if one exists) that can be stored in a
> garage where temperatures get below freezing. Does such beast exist
> and if so what kind of extremes are we talking.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> PS:Please do not try to contact via the address, it is jsut for google
> posting purposes.
Mon, Oct 27, 2003, 9:07pm (EST-1) [email protected] (Halon1211)
says:
<snip>The label does say that temperatures below freezing will "not
affect this product, though may cause thickening". <snip>
Yes, it does say that. And, the sentence just before that one,
says, "Do not use when temperature, glue, or materials, are below 55
degrees".
JOAT
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i've used tightbond for decades. When I was in an unheated shop, I just let
it stay out there. If it was warm enough to work in the shop, it was warm
enough for the glue to set up. I've had it freeze, and its worked fine after
thawing. When its cold, it gets a bit thick and stiff, but still works
OK..... I'm in New hampshire, so Cold here means something in the -15 to -20
F range....
--JD
"daryl1138" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I work almost exclusively in an unheated garage (in Michigan). During
> the winter months I tend to only work on the more fair days but I
> would like to find a wood glue (if one exists) that can be stored in a
> garage where temperatures get below freezing. Does such beast exist
> and if so what kind of extremes are we talking.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> PS:Please do not try to contact via the address, it is jsut for google
> posting purposes.
"daryl1138" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I work almost exclusively in an unheated garage (in Michigan). During
> the winter months I tend to only work on the more fair days but I
> would like to find a wood glue (if one exists) that can be stored in a
> garage where temperatures get below freezing. Does such beast exist
> and if so what kind of extremes are we talking.
=======================
A simple small box 12"x12 " or so...with a small electric light (15
watt ).. is what I use every wnter...
Bob Griffiths
"daryl1138" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I work almost exclusively in an unheated garage (in Michigan). During
> the winter months I tend to only work on the more fair days but I
> would like to find a wood glue (if one exists) that can be stored in a
> garage where temperatures get below freezing. Does such beast exist
> and if so what kind of extremes are we talking.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> PS:Please do not try to contact via the address, it is jsut for google
> posting purposes.
Get an old refrigerator, and put a 25 watt bulb in it, and store stuff
without worry of freeze. You can put a baseboard thermostat on it to
prevent overheating.
--
Jim in NC