Just pulled a sheet of ply I had laying around.
Made in Canada by Columbia..
From the cut I made the thickness varies in the piece by 1/32.
I have not seen that b4. I cut it, it's supposed to fit in a dado, and
it does on one side, but not on the other... when I put a caliper on it
the answer my friend was blowing in the wind.. it wasn't me for a change..
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On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 23:07:54 -0800 (PST), [email protected] wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 7:02:15 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
>
>> Now we know where that imported plywood comes from, I always assumed it
>>
>> was from China. ;~)
>
> I was at one of the local lumber yards here last week to get a special sized door for a retro and was talking to them about their recent push to sell plywood. According to them (Roddis Lumber - you may have them in Houston) their plywood comes from different sources. A lot of hardwood faced materials come from our Canadian brothers. These guys have some overseas stuff, but strangely not much from South America.
>
> That stuff they have been selling at HD for the last 10-12 years is from Chile and has some kind of white face on it that resembles a very poor example of birch. I don't know what it is, but the only thing I can put on it when finishing is a quick dry product. I don't know what kind of wood they use for that face, but it has to be something very soft as it is a cut veneer that must be (literally) about 1/64 thick. And with the inconsistency of the the underlayment, I have actually sanded through the veneer several times. OK for a utility cab that I am painting, nasty for some better work.
>
I have used a good bit of the HD mystery ply, always for painted
carcasses, seems to do fine for that, never tried any other finish.
basilisk
On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:54:21 -0800, Pat Barber <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 2/19/2014 2:20 PM, Swingman wrote:
>
>> That said, and ironically enough, the plywood I seem to have the most
>> consistency with, fewer voids, and at a better price, is indeed the
>> ubiquitous, utility plywood - "China Birch".
>>
>
>Home Depot had a pallet load of what looked like nice plywood
>this past fall. It was labeled "cabinet grade" and the description
>was maple on one side and birch on the other.
>
>It "looked" great and it was $38 a sheet for 3/4" plywood.
>
>Wellllll, this past week I finally got around to cutting some
>of that plywood.
>
>ALL of the outer edges looked great with what appeared to be
>13 ply plywood.
>
>The voids didn't show up till a few rips later when I noticed
>that several pieces has ugly looking edges.
>
>To say I was "miffed" would be a mild understatement.
>
>Soooo, I now have some nice $38 firewood.
>
>Sometimes, I just never learn.......
I haven't bought any in a year or so, but the last time I bought Oak
ply from Lowes, it was pretty good except that the veneer was about as
thick as a picture of Oak. The Birch was OK, too, but better not go
wild sanding. It was cheaper than sanded pine, so I thought it was a
good deal.
[email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:54:21 -0800, Pat Barber <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Home Depot had a pallet load of what looked like nice plywood
>>this past fall. It was labeled "cabinet grade" and the description
>>was maple on one side and birch on the other.
>>
>>It "looked" great and it was $38 a sheet for 3/4" plywood.
>>
>>Wellllll, this past week I finally got around to cutting some
>>of that plywood.
>>
>>ALL of the outer edges looked great with what appeared to be
>>13 ply plywood.
>>
>>The voids didn't show up till a few rips later when I noticed
>>that several pieces has ugly looking edges.
>>
>>To say I was "miffed" would be a mild understatement.
>>
>>Soooo, I now have some nice $38 firewood.
>>
>>Sometimes, I just never learn.......
>
> I haven't bought any in a year or so, but the last time I bought Oak
> ply from Lowes, it was pretty good except that the veneer was about as
> thick as a picture of Oak. The Birch was OK, too, but better not go
> wild sanding. It was cheaper than sanded pine, so I thought it was a
> good deal.
>
Short of a X-ray or cutting a piece of plywood apart, is there any way to
know what you're getting inside? The exteriors have grades, so why not
the interior? (It's probably a piece of information that is removed long
before it gets to the store's distributors, if it even exists.)
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On 2/26/2014 3:54 PM, Pat Barber wrote:
> On 2/19/2014 2:20 PM, Swingman wrote:
>
>> That said, and ironically enough, the plywood I seem to have the most
>> consistency with, fewer voids, and at a better price, is indeed the
>> ubiquitous, utility plywood - "China Birch".
>>
>
> Home Depot had a pallet load of what looked like nice plywood
> this past fall. It was labeled "cabinet grade" and the description
> was maple on one side and birch on the other.
>
> It "looked" great and it was $38 a sheet for 3/4" plywood.
>
> Wellllll, this past week I finally got around to cutting some
> of that plywood.
>
> ALL of the outer edges looked great with what appeared to be
> 13 ply plywood.
>
> The voids didn't show up till a few rips later when I noticed
> that several pieces has ugly looking edges.
>
> To say I was "miffed" would be a mild understatement.
>
> Soooo, I now have some nice $38 firewood.
>
> Sometimes, I just never learn.......
>
I already did that routine a 10 or so years ago.
When I got it home all of it curled up before I got it into my rack.
Again Columbia...
I have a rack that's true (used string to get all the supports in line),
and I clamp them to it vertically.
I'm hesitant to buy sheets from HD.
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On 2/19/2014 1:07 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 7:02:15 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
>
>> Now we know where that imported plywood comes from, I always assumed it
>>
>> was from China. ;~)
>
> I was at one of the local lumber yards here last week to get a special sized door for a retro and was talking to them about their recent push to sell plywood. According to them (Roddis Lumber - you may have them in Houston) their plywood comes from different sources. A lot of hardwood faced materials come from our Canadian brothers. These guys have some overseas stuff, but strangely not much from South America.
>
> That stuff they have been selling at HD for the last 10-12 years is from Chile and has some kind of white face on it that resembles a very poor example of birch. I don't know what it is, but the only thing I can put on it when finishing is a quick dry product. I don't know what kind of wood they use for that face, but it has to be something very soft as it is a cut veneer that must be (literally) about 1/64 thick. And with the inconsistency of the the underlayment, I have actually sanded through the veneer several times. OK for a utility cab that I am painting, nasty for some better work.
>
> At this time, I don't know that they carry any wood products from North America except their structural members and structural plywoods.
>
> Robert
I hate to day this but I find that it is a 50/50 chance that imported
might be better than domestic.
On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 7:02:15 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
=20
> Now we know where that imported plywood comes from, I always assumed it=
=20
>=20
> was from China. ;~)
I was at one of the local lumber yards here last week to get a special size=
d door for a retro and was talking to them about their recent push to sell =
plywood. According to them (Roddis Lumber - you may have them in Houston) =
their plywood comes from different sources. A lot of hardwood faced materi=
als come from our Canadian brothers. These guys have some overseas stuff, =
but strangely not much from South America.
That stuff they have been selling at HD for the last 10-12 years is from Ch=
ile and has some kind of white face on it that resembles a very poor exampl=
e of birch. I don't know what it is, but the only thing I can put on it wh=
en finishing is a quick dry product. I don't know what kind of wood they u=
se for that face, but it has to be something very soft as it is a cut venee=
r that must be (literally) about 1/64 thick. And with the inconsistency of=
the the underlayment, I have actually sanded through the veneer several ti=
mes. OK for a utility cab that I am painting, nasty for some better work.
At this time, I don't know that they carry any wood products from North Ame=
rica except their structural members and structural plywoods.
Robert
On 2/26/2014 5:32 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 2/26/14, 3:18 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 2/26/2014 2:54 PM, Pat Barber wrote:
>>
>>> Home Depot had a pallet load of what looked like nice plywood this
>>> past fall. It was labeled "cabinet grade" and the description was
>>> maple on one side and birch on the other.
>>>
>>> It "looked" great and it was $38 a sheet for 3/4" plywood.
>>>
>>> Wellllll, this past week I finally got around to cutting some of
>>> that plywood.
>>>
>>> ALL of the outer edges looked great with what appeared to be 13 ply
>>> plywood.
>>>
>>> The voids didn't show up till a few rips later when I noticed that
>>> several pieces has ugly looking edges.
>>>
>>> To say I was "miffed" would be a mild understatement.
>>>
>>> Soooo, I now have some nice $38 firewood.
>>>
>>> Sometimes, I just never learn.......
>>
>>
>> Feel your pain ... although, just bought (on Sunday when all the
>> other suppliers are closed and I needed a sheet of paint grade, now)
>> 4x8x3/4" "cabinet grade" Pine (of all things) plywood from Home Depot
>> for $33.97.
>>
>> I was pleasantly surprised - flat, square, and the few voids were
>> relatively minor:
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopBRRemodel2014?noredirect=1#
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Columbia Forrest Products, formaldehyde free ... you pays your money
>> and you takes your chances.
>>
>
> About 5 years ago HD had a pallet of cabinet birch, 13 ply for $23 a
> sheet!
> I took one home purely out of curiosity. I cut that bad boy up for a
> couple projects over the course of the next week and it was better than
> some sheets I've paid 70 bucks for.
>
> I went back to HD and looked all over for it but it was gone. I was
> going to buy every last sheet they had. I asked the guy at the
> contractor desk about it and he said the pricing, in fact the delivery
> of the stuff, was a big mistake and they sold out of it that day. He
> said they mistake price was about 50% of their cost. :-)
>
>
Sounds like a gloat to me... you suck...!!
I guess I could live with defects at that price.
You sound like you had none....
--
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On 2/26/2014 8:25 PM, Morgans wrote:
> Sure. Find a real plywood supplier and buy AA or AAA grade. Get your
> full wallet ready to be emptied.
Seen those two grades referring to woods and veneers, and in a foreign
context, but never to plywood in North America?
I use a couple of real plywood suppliers on a regular basis and none
sell anything using that grading system.
Maybe I'm missing something. Got a supplier for "AA" and "AAA" _grade_
plywood, not just the veneer, in this country?
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On 2/18/2014 3:14 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> On 2/18/2014 2:44 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 2/18/2014 1:12 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>>> Just pulled a sheet of ply I had laying around.
>>> Made in Canada by Columbia..
>>> From the cut I made the thickness varies in the piece by 1/32.
>>> I have not seen that b4. I cut it, it's supposed to fit in a dado, and
>>> it does on one side, but not on the other... when I put a caliper on it
>>> the answer my friend was blowing in the wind.. it wasn't me for a
>>> change..
>>
>> Yep, feel your pain ... something you have to deal with, plywood, or
>> dimensioned wood.
>>
>> Too thick, easy to sand down a bit in the appropriate spot; too thin,
>> out comes shims/shavings/filler/combination thereof to fill the gap.
>>
>> It's bad when thickness changes sheet to sheet, but can be expected and
>> planned for by buying enough of the same stack/batch to finish a project.
>>
>> A bitch when thickness varies in the same damn sheet.
>>
> Even with my limited experience, I have seen lots of irregularity in
> plywood. During my first project with lots of dadoes, I found that one
> of the three sheets was thicker than the other two (bought at the same
> time). The discrepancy was large enough to prevent the thicker ones from
> fitting in the dadoes I had cut.
>
> I had to test each piece, mark the dadoes that needed to be expanded (I
> believe it was something like 8 out of 40) and then line each one up in
> the dado jig to make a very fine extra pass with a router.
>
>
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As Karl just said, diff from sheet to sheet is normal. but within a
sheet is just wrong.
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On 2/26/2014 7:09 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:54:21 -0800, Pat Barber <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/19/2014 2:20 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>
>>> That said, and ironically enough, the plywood I seem to have the most
>>> consistency with, fewer voids, and at a better price, is indeed the
>>> ubiquitous, utility plywood - "China Birch".
>>>
>>
>> Home Depot had a pallet load of what looked like nice plywood
>> this past fall. It was labeled "cabinet grade" and the description
>> was maple on one side and birch on the other.
>>
>> It "looked" great and it was $38 a sheet for 3/4" plywood.
>>
>> Wellllll, this past week I finally got around to cutting some
>> of that plywood.
>>
>> ALL of the outer edges looked great with what appeared to be
>> 13 ply plywood.
>>
>> The voids didn't show up till a few rips later when I noticed
>> that several pieces has ugly looking edges.
>>
>> To say I was "miffed" would be a mild understatement.
>>
>> Soooo, I now have some nice $38 firewood.
>>
>> Sometimes, I just never learn.......
>
> I haven't bought any in a year or so, but the last time I bought Oak
> ply from Lowes, it was pretty good except that the veneer was about as
> thick as a picture of Oak. The Birch was OK, too, but better not go
> wild sanding. It was cheaper than sanded pine, so I thought it was a
> good deal.
>
really a picture is pretty thick compared to what I see. 1/64 is thick..
I don't think most of the veneers are that thick.
I have some very old ply from some old furniture 40s - 50s. The veneer
is about 1/8 "... I am so amazed how far we have fallen.
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On 2/18/2014 7:02 PM, Leon wrote:
> Now we know where that imported plywood comes from, I always assumed it
> was from China. ;~)
Columbia Forest Products are made in the US and Canada. One of the
reasons I generally like them for utility oak plywood, plus the fact
that are glued without formaldehyde based glues.
That said, and ironically enough, the plywood I seem to have the most
consistency with, fewer voids, and at a better price, is indeed the
ubiquitous, utility plywood - "China Birch".
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On 2/26/2014 2:54 PM, Pat Barber wrote:
> Home Depot had a pallet load of what looked like nice plywood
> this past fall. It was labeled "cabinet grade" and the description
> was maple on one side and birch on the other.
>
> It "looked" great and it was $38 a sheet for 3/4" plywood.
>
> Wellllll, this past week I finally got around to cutting some
> of that plywood.
>
> ALL of the outer edges looked great with what appeared to be
> 13 ply plywood.
>
> The voids didn't show up till a few rips later when I noticed
> that several pieces has ugly looking edges.
>
> To say I was "miffed" would be a mild understatement.
>
> Soooo, I now have some nice $38 firewood.
>
> Sometimes, I just never learn.......
Feel your pain ... although, just bought (on Sunday when all the other
suppliers are closed and I needed a sheet of paint grade, now) 4x8x3/4"
"cabinet grade" Pine (of all things) plywood from Home Depot for $33.97.
I was pleasantly surprised - flat, square, and the few voids were
relatively minor:
https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopBRRemodel2014?noredirect=1#
Columbia Forrest Products, formaldehyde free ... you pays your money and
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LdB <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> Consumer product quality has taken a nosedive whether the product was
> made in North America or anywhere else in the world. The Wallmart
> mentality of accepting lower quality for a lower price has come full
> circle.
>
> Why should a manufacturer waste money on quality. The consumers only
> want a bargain.
>
> Look on the bright side. If we learn how to produce absolute junk
> maybe the jobs will come back.
http://health.heraldtribune.com/2012/12/04/that-bothersome-high-pitched-
whine-in-the-ear/
On 2/27/2014 5:54 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:18:52 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Columbia Forrest Products, formaldehyde free ... you pays your money and
>> you takes your chances.
>
> In your area, do you not have a choice of suppliers? (and quality of
> veneered plywood?)
>
> I mostly buy from one supplier for convenience sake where I live, but
> I have bought from other suppliers on occasion too. I can't remember
> the last time I got veneered plywood with voids in it. I mostly gauge
> the quality of the plywood I buy on how thin or thick the top layer of
> veneer is.
>
> It sounds like that there's a collected habit of dumping cheap product
> on the US market by what you've said about your plywood.
>
Basically the veneer is less than paper thin now.
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On 2/18/2014 1:12 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> Just pulled a sheet of ply I had laying around.
> Made in Canada by Columbia..
> From the cut I made the thickness varies in the piece by 1/32.
> I have not seen that b4. I cut it, it's supposed to fit in a dado, and
> it does on one side, but not on the other... when I put a caliper on it
> the answer my friend was blowing in the wind.. it wasn't me for a change..
Yep, feel your pain ... something you have to deal with, plywood, or
dimensioned wood.
Too thick, easy to sand down a bit in the appropriate spot; too thin,
out comes shims/shavings/filler/combination thereof to fill the gap.
It's bad when thickness changes sheet to sheet, but can be expected and
planned for by buying enough of the same stack/batch to finish a project.
A bitch when thickness varies in the same damn sheet.
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On 27 Feb 2014 00:30:15 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:54:21 -0800, Pat Barber <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Home Depot had a pallet load of what looked like nice plywood
>>>this past fall. It was labeled "cabinet grade" and the description
>>>was maple on one side and birch on the other.
>>>
>>>It "looked" great and it was $38 a sheet for 3/4" plywood.
>>>
>>>Wellllll, this past week I finally got around to cutting some
>>>of that plywood.
>>>
>>>ALL of the outer edges looked great with what appeared to be
>>>13 ply plywood.
>>>
>>>The voids didn't show up till a few rips later when I noticed
>>>that several pieces has ugly looking edges.
>>>
>>>To say I was "miffed" would be a mild understatement.
>>>
>>>Soooo, I now have some nice $38 firewood.
>>>
>>>Sometimes, I just never learn.......
>>
>> I haven't bought any in a year or so, but the last time I bought Oak
>> ply from Lowes, it was pretty good except that the veneer was about as
>> thick as a picture of Oak. The Birch was OK, too, but better not go
>> wild sanding. It was cheaper than sanded pine, so I thought it was a
>> good deal.
>>
>
>Short of a X-ray or cutting a piece of plywood apart, is there any way to
>know what you're getting inside? The exteriors have grades, so why not
>the interior? (It's probably a piece of information that is removed long
>before it gets to the store's distributors, if it even exists.)
>
Thump it? A good sheet will have an even sound across the surface. I
don't know if you'll be able to hear a void on middle layers, though.
On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 06:47:46 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
>Basically the veneer is less than paper thin now.
Must be a pain when sanding and finishing. Many are running a business
so costs are always of a concern. I build has a hobbyist for myself
and I've spent as much as $125 for a sheet of oak veneered plywood and
for that price, the plywood better damned well be absent of voids and
have a thicker top veneer with good book matched patterns.
Initially, I started looking for thicker veneer when I began to use a
blind nailer for attaching plywood. I abandoned that process after I
bought my Festool Domino.
On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:18:52 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>Columbia Forrest Products, formaldehyde free ... you pays your money and
>you takes your chances.
In your area, do you not have a choice of suppliers? (and quality of
veneered plywood?)
I mostly buy from one supplier for convenience sake where I live, but
I have bought from other suppliers on occasion too. I can't remember
the last time I got veneered plywood with voids in it. I mostly gauge
the quality of the plywood I buy on how thin or thick the top layer of
veneer is.
It sounds like that there's a collected habit of dumping cheap product
on the US market by what you've said about your plywood.
On 2/18/2014 2:44 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 2/18/2014 1:12 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>> Just pulled a sheet of ply I had laying around.
>> Made in Canada by Columbia..
>> From the cut I made the thickness varies in the piece by 1/32.
>> I have not seen that b4. I cut it, it's supposed to fit in a dado, and
>> it does on one side, but not on the other... when I put a caliper on it
>> the answer my friend was blowing in the wind.. it wasn't me for a
>> change..
>
> Yep, feel your pain ... something you have to deal with, plywood, or
> dimensioned wood.
>
> Too thick, easy to sand down a bit in the appropriate spot; too thin,
> out comes shims/shavings/filler/combination thereof to fill the gap.
>
> It's bad when thickness changes sheet to sheet, but can be expected and
> planned for by buying enough of the same stack/batch to finish a project.
>
> A bitch when thickness varies in the same damn sheet.
>
Even with my limited experience, I have seen lots of irregularity in
plywood. During my first project with lots of dadoes, I found that one
of the three sheets was thicker than the other two (bought at the same
time). The discrepancy was large enough to prevent the thicker ones from
fitting in the dadoes I had cut.
I had to test each piece, mark the dadoes that needed to be expanded (I
believe it was something like 8 out of 40) and then line each one up in
the dado jig to make a very fine extra pass with a router.
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> Just pulled a sheet of ply I had laying around.
> Made in Canada by Columbia..
> From the cut I made the thickness varies in the piece by
> 1/32. I have not seen that b4. I cut it, it's supposed to fit
> in a dado, and it does on one side, but not on the other... when I put a
> caliper on it the answer my friend was blowing in the
> wind.. it wasn't me for a change..
Gotta love modern sheet goods, right? That variation is one - main - reason
I avoid full width dadoes. Instead, I use a narrower one and cut a tongue
on the ply leaving - usually - 1/8" shoulders. That gets me a tongue closer
to the the right width throughout; if a variation remains, the shoulders
hide any boo-boos.
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On 2/19/14, 4:20 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 2/18/2014 7:02 PM, Leon wrote:
>> Now we know where that imported plywood comes from, I always
>> assumed it was from China. ;~)
>
> Columbia Forest Products are made in the US and Canada. One of the
> reasons I generally like them for utility oak plywood, plus the fact
> that are glued without formaldehyde based glues.
>
> That said, and ironically enough, the plywood I seem to have the most
> consistency with, fewer voids, and at a better price, is indeed the
> ubiquitous, utility plywood - "China Birch".
>
As I've lamented before, it seems to vary, lot to lot.
A few years back I shared my angst over the China Birch I got that
wasn't even friggin SQUARE or straight.
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On 2/19/2014 2:20 PM, Swingman wrote:
> That said, and ironically enough, the plywood I seem to have the most
> consistency with, fewer voids, and at a better price, is indeed the
> ubiquitous, utility plywood - "China Birch".
>
Home Depot had a pallet load of what looked like nice plywood
this past fall. It was labeled "cabinet grade" and the description
was maple on one side and birch on the other.
It "looked" great and it was $38 a sheet for 3/4" plywood.
Wellllll, this past week I finally got around to cutting some
of that plywood.
ALL of the outer edges looked great with what appeared to be
13 ply plywood.
The voids didn't show up till a few rips later when I noticed
that several pieces has ugly looking edges.
To say I was "miffed" would be a mild understatement.
Soooo, I now have some nice $38 firewood.
Sometimes, I just never learn.......
On 2/26/14, 3:18 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 2/26/2014 2:54 PM, Pat Barber wrote:
>
>> Home Depot had a pallet load of what looked like nice plywood this
>> past fall. It was labeled "cabinet grade" and the description was
>> maple on one side and birch on the other.
>>
>> It "looked" great and it was $38 a sheet for 3/4" plywood.
>>
>> Wellllll, this past week I finally got around to cutting some of
>> that plywood.
>>
>> ALL of the outer edges looked great with what appeared to be 13 ply
>> plywood.
>>
>> The voids didn't show up till a few rips later when I noticed that
>> several pieces has ugly looking edges.
>>
>> To say I was "miffed" would be a mild understatement.
>>
>> Soooo, I now have some nice $38 firewood.
>>
>> Sometimes, I just never learn.......
>
>
> Feel your pain ... although, just bought (on Sunday when all the
> other suppliers are closed and I needed a sheet of paint grade, now)
> 4x8x3/4" "cabinet grade" Pine (of all things) plywood from Home Depot
> for $33.97.
>
> I was pleasantly surprised - flat, square, and the few voids were
> relatively minor:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopBRRemodel2014?noredirect=1#
>
>
>
> Columbia Forrest Products, formaldehyde free ... you pays your money
> and you takes your chances.
>
About 5 years ago HD had a pallet of cabinet birch, 13 ply for $23 a
sheet!
I took one home purely out of curiosity. I cut that bad boy up for a
couple projects over the course of the next week and it was better than
some sheets I've paid 70 bucks for.
I went back to HD and looked all over for it but it was gone. I was
going to buy every last sheet they had. I asked the guy at the
contractor desk about it and he said the pricing, in fact the delivery
of the stuff, was a big mistake and they sold out of it that day. He
said they mistake price was about 50% of their cost. :-)
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"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote
> Short of a X-ray or cutting a piece of plywood apart, is there any way to
> know what you're getting inside? The exteriors have grades, so why not
> the interior? (It's probably a piece of information that is removed long
> before it gets to the store's distributors, if it even exists.)
>
>
Sure. Find a real plywood supplier and buy AA or AAA grade. Get your full
wallet ready to be emptied.
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On 2/26/14, 4:59 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 2/26/2014 5:32 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 2/26/14, 3:18 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>> On 2/26/2014 2:54 PM, Pat Barber wrote:
>>>
>>>> Home Depot had a pallet load of what looked like nice plywood this
>>>> past fall. It was labeled "cabinet grade" and the description was
>>>> maple on one side and birch on the other.
>>>>
>>>> It "looked" great and it was $38 a sheet for 3/4" plywood.
>>>>
>>>> Wellllll, this past week I finally got around to cutting some of
>>>> that plywood.
>>>>
>>>> ALL of the outer edges looked great with what appeared to be 13 ply
>>>> plywood.
>>>>
>>>> The voids didn't show up till a few rips later when I noticed that
>>>> several pieces has ugly looking edges.
>>>>
>>>> To say I was "miffed" would be a mild understatement.
>>>>
>>>> Soooo, I now have some nice $38 firewood.
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes, I just never learn.......
>>>
>>>
>>> Feel your pain ... although, just bought (on Sunday when all the
>>> other suppliers are closed and I needed a sheet of paint grade, now)
>>> 4x8x3/4" "cabinet grade" Pine (of all things) plywood from Home Depot
>>> for $33.97.
>>>
>>> I was pleasantly surprised - flat, square, and the few voids were
>>> relatively minor:
>>>
>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopBRRemodel2014?noredirect=1#
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Columbia Forrest Products, formaldehyde free ... you pays your money
>>> and you takes your chances.
>>>
>>
>> About 5 years ago HD had a pallet of cabinet birch, 13 ply for $23 a
>> sheet!
>> I took one home purely out of curiosity. I cut that bad boy up for a
>> couple projects over the course of the next week and it was better than
>> some sheets I've paid 70 bucks for.
>>
>> I went back to HD and looked all over for it but it was gone. I was
>> going to buy every last sheet they had. I asked the guy at the
>> contractor desk about it and he said the pricing, in fact the delivery
>> of the stuff, was a big mistake and they sold out of it that day. He
>> said they mistake price was about 50% of their cost. :-)
>>
>>
> Sounds like a gloat to me... you suck...!!
> I guess I could live with defects at that price.
> You sound like you had none....
>
It would be a gloat if I had the chance to load up on the stuff.
Now it's just a regret. :-)
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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote .
>
> Maybe I'm missing something. Got a supplier for "AA" and "AAA" _grade_
> plywood, not just the veneer, in this country?
I stand corrected. Been a while since I had need of anything better than
standard plywoods.
Of course, if you really have need for ply with minimal voids, there are
marine grade hardwood veneer plywoods available. No voids larger than 1/8",
inner layers knots allowed, no voids. Pricey.
Then there are birch and mahogany aircraft mil spec grade plys, no voids.
Can you say expensive? Really expensive? Around $400 for 1/2"
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> It sounds like that there's a collected habit of dumping cheap product
> on the US market by what you've said about your plywood.
Yes, from China. Buy questionable logs from us and elsewhere, make the ply
and dump it back on our markets. Half of US production capability is idle,
and that does not count the companies that have already folded. Do a quick
search on the subject.
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On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 06:47:46 -0500, woodchucker wrote:
>> It sounds like that there's a collected habit of dumping cheap product
>> on the US market by what you've said about your plywood.
>>
>>
> Basically the veneer is less than paper thin now.
That's been my experience as well. I just bought some 3/4" birch plywood
from Home Depot for $52 a sheet. I cut it all up for bookcase carcases
and shelves and found almost no voids. What voids did exist were very
small.
It was basically good one side, but I found enough good two sides for the
four ends (one row of 5 cases, one row of 2) that would be exposed.
Luckily, the good sides were smooth enough that a ROS pass with 180 and
another with 220 grit sufficed. The veneer would not have survived any
serious sanding.
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On 2/27/2014 1:57 PM, Pat Barber wrote:
> On 2/26/2014 6:25 PM, Morgans wrote:
>
>> Sure. Find a real plywood supplier and buy AA or AAA grade. Get your
>> full wallet ready to be emptied.
>
> Current plywood grading:
>
> http://www.plumcreek.com/Portals/0/downloads/productInfo/J20.pdf
and Hardwood plywood which is what I thought I posted earlier:
http://www.columbiaforestproducts.com/library/reference-guides/grading-guide/
On 2/27/14 4:47 AM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 2/27/2014 5:54 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:18:52 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Columbia Forrest Products, formaldehyde free ... you pays your money and
>>> you takes your chances.
>>
>> In your area, do you not have a choice of suppliers? (and quality of
>> veneered plywood?)
>>
>> I mostly buy from one supplier for convenience sake where I live, but
>> I have bought from other suppliers on occasion too. I can't remember
>> the last time I got veneered plywood with voids in it. I mostly gauge
>> the quality of the plywood I buy on how thin or thick the top layer of
>> veneer is.
>>
>> It sounds like that there's a collected habit of dumping cheap product
>> on the US market by what you've said about your plywood.
>>
>
> Basically the veneer is less than paper thin now.
>
The oak veneer I've been using of late is so thin, you can see the
masonite underply through the pores in the oak grain.
-Bruce
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On 2/19/2014 6:59 AM, dadiOH wrote:
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>> Just pulled a sheet of ply I had laying around.
>> Made in Canada by Columbia..
>> From the cut I made the thickness varies in the piece by
>> 1/32. I have not seen that b4. I cut it, it's supposed to fit
>> in a dado, and it does on one side, but not on the other... when I put a
>> caliper on it the answer my friend was blowing in the
>> wind.. it wasn't me for a change..
>
> Gotta love modern sheet goods, right? That variation is one - main - reason
> I avoid full width dadoes. Instead, I use a narrower one and cut a tongue
> on the ply leaving - usually - 1/8" shoulders. That gets me a tongue closer
> to the the right width throughout; if a variation remains, the shoulders
> hide any boo-boos.
>
Consumer product quality has taken a nosedive whether the product was
made in North America or anywhere else in the world. The Wallmart
mentality of accepting lower quality for a lower price has come full
circle.
Why should a manufacturer waste money on quality. The consumers only
want a bargain.
Look on the bright side. If we learn how to produce absolute junk
maybe the jobs will come back.
LdB
On 2/18/2014 1:12 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> Just pulled a sheet of ply I had laying around.
> Made in Canada by Columbia..
> From the cut I made the thickness varies in the piece by 1/32.
> I have not seen that b4. I cut it, it's supposed to fit in a dado, and
> it does on one side, but not on the other... when I put a caliper on it
> the answer my friend was blowing in the wind.. it wasn't me for a change..
>
>
>
Now we know where that imported plywood comes from, I always assumed it
was from China. ;~)