Folks, I'm thinking of using subject drill in an unusual application,
turning a sailboat winch to hoist about 40 lbs; occasional use, not a
steady workload - and a right-angle drill.
I've read where the 28-V Milwaukee will do this, but that's an
investment I ain't prepared to make, and I'm looking at Ryobi 18V and
Craftsman 19.2V My concern is torque capacity.
The Ryobi spec says 130 inch-lb minimum, but I haven't seen anything
on the Craftsman. Anyone here have a manual, or spec, or some
experience with this admittedly oddball usage? Thanks, all.
"Chris Friesen" wrote:
> How much torque do you actually need?
Enough to trim a #1 Genoa sheet in 30 knots of wind when you are up to
your ass in alligators and 4-6 footers are running on 200 ft centers.
This is a classic sailor problem.
The wind is free and sailors expect everything else should be to.
BTDT, don't need the t-shirt.
Lew
"A. Shore" wrote:
> Folks, I'm thinking of using subject drill in an unusual
> application,
> turning a sailboat winch to hoist about 40 lbs; occasional use, not
> a
> steady workload - and a right-angle drill.
>
> I've read where the 28-V Milwaukee will do this, but that's an
> investment I ain't prepared to make, and I'm looking at Ryobi 18V
> and
> Craftsman 19.2V My concern is torque capacity.
>
> The Ryobi spec says 130 inch-lb minimum, but I haven't seen anything
> on the Craftsman. Anyone here have a manual, or spec, or some
> experience with this admittedly oddball usage? Thanks, all.
Save your pennies.
When your piggy bank is full, get the Milwaukee right angle drill.
BTW, you will also need a S/S square stock adapter to fit the winch.
Lew
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:24:41 -0500, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Leon wrote:
>> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>>> "Chris Friesen" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How much torque do you actually need?
>>>>
>>>> Enough to trim a #1 Genoa sheet in 30 knots of wind when you are up
>>>> to your ass in alligators and 4-6 footers are running on 200 ft
>>>> centers.
>>>>
>>>> This is a classic sailor problem.
>>>>
>>>> The wind is free and sailors expect everything else should be to.
>>>>
>>>> BTDT, don't need the t-shirt.
>>>
>>> I'm curious--if you are strong enough to resist the torque of the
>>> drill, why
>>> can't you just use a winch handle and do it the old fashioned way?
>>> And the
>>> winch handle doesn't get upset about being doused with salt spray.
>>
>>
>> I imagine it would get tiring after a while, especiallly if you are
>> constantly adjusting.
>
>So get a longer handle.
Obviously not familiar with sailing...
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> "Chris Friesen" wrote:
>>
>>> How much torque do you actually need?
>>
>> Enough to trim a #1 Genoa sheet in 30 knots of wind when you are up to
>> your ass in alligators and 4-6 footers are running on 200 ft centers.
>>
>> This is a classic sailor problem.
>>
>> The wind is free and sailors expect everything else should be to.
>>
>> BTDT, don't need the t-shirt.
>
> I'm curious--if you are strong enough to resist the torque of the drill,
> why
> can't you just use a winch handle and do it the old fashioned way? And
> the
> winch handle doesn't get upset about being doused with salt spray.
I imagine it would get tiring after a while, especiallly if you are
constantly adjusting.
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> So get a longer handle.
Longer handle would decrease needed force but increase range of motion.
On 11/19/2009 11:32 AM, A. Shore wrote:
> Folks, I'm thinking of using subject drill in an unusual application,
> turning a sailboat winch to hoist about 40 lbs; occasional use, not a
> steady workload - and a right-angle drill.
>
> I've read where the 28-V Milwaukee will do this, but that's an
> investment I ain't prepared to make, and I'm looking at Ryobi 18V and
> Craftsman 19.2V My concern is torque capacity.
>
> The Ryobi spec says 130 inch-lb minimum, but I haven't seen anything
> on the Craftsman. Anyone here have a manual, or spec, or some
> experience with this admittedly oddball usage? Thanks, all.
How much torque do you actually need? The Milwaukee is rated for 1081
in-lb, or about 8x as much as the Ryobi. That's a significant
difference. Most of the other name-brand tools (Makita, etc.) max out
at around 600 in-lb or so.
Chris
<[email protected]> wrote:
> That boat has a masthead rig with a relatively small mainsail. I
> think
> your real problem is friction, not weight. Personally, I would
> forget
> the electric winch and install a Tides Marine Strong Track system. I
> put one on my boat and it now feels as if the sail is not actually
> attached to the mast. On your boat, the strong track would mean you
> would raise the sail almost completely without using a winch at all.
> We aren't exactly young, but my 110 pound wife can fully hoist our
> main by hand. The winch is used just for the final tensioning. The
> other nice thing about the Strong Track is that when you want to
> lower
> the sail, it drops like a rock.
>
> It's about $25 a foot installed. Worth every penny.
Sounds like a winner.
Had planned to use Tides on my project.
Glad to see I was on the right track.
Lew
Yep, I have the Strong system installed. (It replaced the world's
oldest Hood Mainfurl.) But 60 lbs is 60lbs.
Awwwww, believe me that I need the winch. Yep, it drops right now;
that's not the problem. But thanks. ~ AS
> That boat has a masthead rig with a relatively small mainsail. I think
> your real problem is friction, not weight. =A0Personally, I would forget
> the electric winch and install a Tides Marine Strong Track system. I
> put one on my boat and it now feels as if the sail is not actually
> attached to the mast. On your boat, the strong track would mean you
> would raise the sail almost completely without using a winch at all.
> We aren't exactly young, but my 110 pound wife can fully hoist our
> main by hand. The winch is used just for the final tensioning. The
> other nice thing about the Strong Track is that when you want to lower
> the sail, it drops like a rock.
>
> It's about $25 a foot installed. Worth every penny.
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:06:38 -0800 (PST), "A. Shore"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>It sometimes is mistakenly called the Black Watch, but it's a 1970
>Tartan 37, design by Ted Hood. Not the S&S T37 - it looks like a
>larger T34.
>
>~~~~_/)~~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~~~_/)~~~~ AS
>>
>> What boat?
That boat has a masthead rig with a relatively small mainsail. I think
your real problem is friction, not weight. Personally, I would forget
the electric winch and install a Tides Marine Strong Track system. I
put one on my boat and it now feels as if the sail is not actually
attached to the mast. On your boat, the strong track would mean you
would raise the sail almost completely without using a winch at all.
We aren't exactly young, but my 110 pound wife can fully hoist our
main by hand. The winch is used just for the final tensioning. The
other nice thing about the Strong Track is that when you want to lower
the sail, it drops like a rock.
It's about $25 a foot installed. Worth every penny.
Guys, tnx for the interest. Some A's fr yr Q's:
This is for a possible assist in raising the main. I'd gotten a new
one, and it's a fair bit heavier as a result of heavier cloth, full
battens, metal slides, etc.
WRT how much torque I need for this, I wish I had a solid number. The
sail itself is maybe 60-70 lbs before applying the winch gearing. My
guess is that it's maybe 20 pounds (friction included) on a 12"
handle, so 240 in-lbs? (Sail is off the boat at the moment, so it's
guesswork right now.) I'll try it with a corded drill as a test when
the cranker adapter arrives.
The winch is cabin-top under a dodger, so handle swing is somewhat
restricted. I can relocate that a few inches, but wd prefer not to.
News (to me anyway): I stumbled across Sears Craftsman Pro series,
and I see a new(ish?) 20V drill with about a 500 in-lbs torque spec.
At $80 for the drill and $40 for the battery/charger, this looks like
good news for me. It reviews (YMMV) as a good bit superior to the
19.2V one it seems to replace, which has gone on sale.
~~~~~_/)~~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~
AS
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Chris Friesen" wrote:
>
>> How much torque do you actually need?
>
> Enough to trim a #1 Genoa sheet in 30 knots of wind when you are up to
> your ass in alligators and 4-6 footers are running on 200 ft centers.
>
> This is a classic sailor problem.
>
> The wind is free and sailors expect everything else should be to.
>
> BTDT, don't need the t-shirt.
I'm curious--if you are strong enough to resist the torque of the drill, why
can't you just use a winch handle and do it the old fashioned way? And the
winch handle doesn't get upset about being doused with salt spray.
Leon wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>> "Chris Friesen" wrote:
>>>
>>>> How much torque do you actually need?
>>>
>>> Enough to trim a #1 Genoa sheet in 30 knots of wind when you are up
>>> to your ass in alligators and 4-6 footers are running on 200 ft
>>> centers.
>>>
>>> This is a classic sailor problem.
>>>
>>> The wind is free and sailors expect everything else should be to.
>>>
>>> BTDT, don't need the t-shirt.
>>
>> I'm curious--if you are strong enough to resist the torque of the
>> drill, why
>> can't you just use a winch handle and do it the old fashioned way?
>> And the
>> winch handle doesn't get upset about being doused with salt spray.
>
>
> I imagine it would get tiring after a while, especiallly if you are
> constantly adjusting.
So get a longer handle.
Leon wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> So get a longer handle.
>
> Longer handle would decrease needed force but increase range of
> motion.
If you're just _adjusting_ the sheets there shouldn't be that much motion
needed.
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:16:02 -0800 (PST), "A. Shore"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Guys, tnx for the interest. Some A's fr yr Q's:
>
>This is for a possible assist in raising the main. I'd gotten a new
>one, and it's a fair bit heavier as a result of heavier cloth, full
>battens, metal slides, etc.
>
>WRT how much torque I need for this, I wish I had a solid number. The
>sail itself is maybe 60-70 lbs before applying the winch gearing. My
>guess is that it's maybe 20 pounds (friction included) on a 12"
>handle, so 240 in-lbs? (Sail is off the boat at the moment, so it's
>guesswork right now.) I'll try it with a corded drill as a test when
>the cranker adapter arrives.
>
>The winch is cabin-top under a dodger, so handle swing is somewhat
>restricted. I can relocate that a few inches, but wd prefer not to.
>
>News (to me anyway): I stumbled across Sears Craftsman Pro series,
>and I see a new(ish?) 20V drill with about a 500 in-lbs torque spec.
>At $80 for the drill and $40 for the battery/charger, this looks like
>good news for me. It reviews (YMMV) as a good bit superior to the
>19.2V one it seems to replace, which has gone on sale.
>
>~~~~~_/)~~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~
>AS
What boat?
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:50:59 -0600, the infamous "Leon"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>> "Chris Friesen" wrote:
>>>
>>>> How much torque do you actually need?
>>>
>>> Enough to trim a #1 Genoa sheet in 30 knots of wind when you are up to
>>> your ass in alligators and 4-6 footers are running on 200 ft centers.
>>>
>>> This is a classic sailor problem.
>>>
>>> The wind is free and sailors expect everything else should be to.
>>>
>>> BTDT, don't need the t-shirt.
>>
>> I'm curious--if you are strong enough to resist the torque of the drill,
>> why
>> can't you just use a winch handle and do it the old fashioned way? And
>> the
>> winch handle doesn't get upset about being doused with salt spray.
>
>
>I imagine it would get tiring after a while, especiallly if you are
>constantly adjusting.
But that's part of sailing, and keeping sails in trim manually keeps
sailors in trim.
Truth, Justice, and the Neanderthal Way!
--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:37:50 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>"Chris Friesen" wrote:
>
>> How much torque do you actually need?
>
>Enough to trim a #1 Genoa sheet in 30 knots of wind when you are up to
>your ass in alligators and 4-6 footers are running on 200 ft centers.
How well will a salt- or fresh-water-soaked tool run under those
conditions, Lew? Isn't a fold-away crank handle the safest bet?
>This is a classic sailor problem.
>
>The wind is free and sailors expect everything else should be to.
>
>BTDT, don't need the t-shirt.
Yeah, it'd just get drenched.
--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:21:04 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>"A. Shore" wrote:
>
>> I assume no info re subject question?
>
>I learned stay from Ryobi and Craftsman.
>
>Screw me once, shame on you.
>
>Screw me twice, shame on me.
I was reading some tales of battery woes and Milwaukee came near the
top. Caveat emptor.
--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine