Dear Rob and all:
I'm addressing my thoughts to this newsgroup, since I can't think of
another appropriate way of putting my thoughts to paper/screen. It will
be a few more months before I take another seminar at Lee Valley
Calgary, and have the opportunity to fill out an opinion form.
Quite some time ago I bought a WoodRat, which Lee Valley now stocks.
While I am comfortable reading a manual and learning-by-doing, I've
been really pleased by the quality of seminars held at Lee Valley, and
would greatly appreciate learning in that environment. Woodrat classes
_are_ held, but only in the UK, as far as I can determine ... is it
possible that you'd consider WoodRat classes at Lee Valley stores?
Sincerely,
Dudley Storey
>
> And he can buy high end tools! :o)
Yeah - but I don't own 'em.... the company does....
They'll be going on tour to the stores (as will our entire tool
collection)... so really, they're "advertising" ....
We intend to rotate displays every 6-8 weeks.... and have a circulating
museum....
Konrad's jointer will join a couple of Holteys, a Jamestown tool, some Bob
Bakers, Wayne Andersons, Jim Leamy, a Bridge City .... and so on as part of
a modern makers display...
Cheers -
Rob
On 20-Mar-2006, "Robin Lee" <[email protected]> wrote:
> How about... how much for a piece of Jewlery?? How much for a sunroof in the
> car? Aluminum rims? A big screen TV??? Sports tickets? A painting? 400 packs
> of cigarettes? A big V8 Hemi for city driving???
Like the friend I have with the expensive sports car who can't understand why I buy
cheaper cars and expensive kayaks? You get what you want and what you're willing
to pay for.
> Expensive - yes, but not bad value...
I'll agree fully. I'm not disparaging the quality. But on my budget, value is spelt
Veritas :-)
Mike
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> http://www.holteyplanes.com/prices.htm
>
> Fifteen thousand dollars for a single plane. I know that every hobby has
> its high-end, but this is a bit over the top, no?
Not bad if they offer free shipping ;)
"Demosthenes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> _are_ held, but only in the UK, as far as I can determine ... is it
> possible that you'd consider WoodRat classes at Lee Valley stores?
If I understand the woodworking classes at Lee Valley properly, demos are
conducted by knowledgeable staff and customers. I guess classes will depend
on such a person turning up and be willing to demonstrate some of what they
know.
I'm not sure how Lee Valley Tools gets people to demonstrate, but I'd send
an email directly to Robin and ask that a request for a Woodrat person be
put up on the local office / store bulletin board or whatever they use to
advertise for skills.
I sincerely hope the new (open in April) Toronto store has similar classes
to the other stores as that is the only store within relatively easy reach
for me to attend.
"Michael Daly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> On 18-Mar-2006, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > 2 grand for a smoother, $ 4,000.00+ for a jointer plane???
> > Just the tool I need to build that $ 160,000.00 night stand, eh?
> >
> > *shakes head in disbelief*
>
> This reminds me of a chat I had with a guy that built high-end wood
> canoes. These were gorgeous works of art. I asked who would spend
> $10,000+ on a canoe and then paddle it in real conditions (Arrgh! a
> scratch!!!). He said most of his sales were to people who would never
> use a canoe. They were millionaire types who wanted the perfect
> art work for the cottage boat house.
>
> I once visited a home like that and the woodworking shop was, well,
> different. You could eat off the floor! He had special cabinets to
> display all the ($$$) hand tools. His house was filled with high-end,
> purchased furniture. I couldn't see anything that I could identify as
> having been made by the owner. He'd probably buy one of these planes.
>
> Mike
Hmmm -
How about... how much for a piece of Jewlery?? How much for a sunroof in the
car? Aluminum rims? A big screen TV??? Sports tickets? A painting? 400 packs
of cigarettes? A big V8 Hemi for city driving???
Check out what a high end tool will be worth after 5 years, or 10, or 30
.... not that it's meant to be an investment...
$2000 for a custom made plane isn't much if it's a tool you'll use for the
rest of your life. My computer cost that much - and I don't expect it to
last more than 5 years....and keep in mind you're paying for a skilled
craftsmans time... $2000 would only buy 5 or 10 hours or so from a
lawyer....
Not that the value's there for everyone....but I sure don't find the prices
of high end tools to be bad value. Expensive - yes, but not bad value...
Cheers -
Rob
"Doug Payne" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 16/03/2006 10:26 AM, Robin Lee wrote:
>
> > There will be a special slate of seminars/courses set up for the Grand
> > Opening... not sure exactly what it will be - but I know Konrad Sauer
and
> > Michael Fortune are two of 'em.....
>
> You gonna start carrying Konrad's planes?
No - but I do have one on order..... :)
Cheers -
Rob
(who'll be getting it at the end of April.....)
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> 2 grand for a smoother, $ 4,000.00+ for a jointer plane???
> Just the tool I need to build that $ 160,000.00 night stand, eh?
>
> *shakes head in disbelief*
If you find cheap tools like that wanting, check this out
http://www.holteyplanes.com/a1.htm
http://www.holteyplanes.com/prices.htm Currency converter at the bottom for
your convenience.
On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 04:28:16 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.holteyplanes.com/prices.htm
>>
>> Fifteen thousand dollars for a single plane. I know that every hobby has
>> its high-end, but this is a bit over the top, no?
>
>Not bad if they offer free shipping ;)
Probably not, but it looks like it comes with a free plane sack. I
guess that's so it feels a bit softer when SWMBO beats your skull in
with it, and should keep most of the blood off it.
-Leuf
In article <[email protected]>,
"Robin Lee" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Doug Payne" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On 16/03/2006 10:26 AM, Robin Lee wrote:
> >
> > > There will be a special slate of seminars/courses set up for the Grand
> > > Opening... not sure exactly what it will be - but I know Konrad Sauer
> and
> > > Michael Fortune are two of 'em.....
> >
> > You gonna start carrying Konrad's planes?
>
> No - but I do have one on order..... :)
>
> Cheers -
>
> Rob
> (who'll be getting it at the end of April.....)
2 grand for a smoother, $ 4,000.00+ for a jointer plane???
Just the tool I need to build that $ 160,000.00 night stand, eh?
*shakes head in disbelief*
r
In article <[email protected]>,
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.holteyplanes.com/prices.htm
Fifteen thousand dollars for a single plane. I know that every hobby has
its high-end, but this is a bit over the top, no?
On 19/03/2006 12:35 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>> http://www.holteyplanes.com/prices.htm
>
> Fifteen thousand dollars for a single plane. I know that every hobby has
> its high-end, but this is a bit over the top, no?
People pay a whole lot more than that for "art". At least with this, you
could always amuse yourself by planing some wood if you got bored with
looking at it.
"Demosthenes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dear Rob and all:
>
> I'm addressing my thoughts to this newsgroup, since I can't think of
> another appropriate way of putting my thoughts to paper/screen. It will
> be a few more months before I take another seminar at Lee Valley
> Calgary, and have the opportunity to fill out an opinion form.
>
> Quite some time ago I bought a WoodRat, which Lee Valley now stocks.
> While I am comfortable reading a manual and learning-by-doing, I've
> been really pleased by the quality of seminars held at Lee Valley, and
> would greatly appreciate learning in that environment. Woodrat classes
> _are_ held, but only in the UK, as far as I can determine ... is it
> possible that you'd consider WoodRat classes at Lee Valley stores?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Dudley Storey
>
Hi -
That's a good suggestion - I'll pass it through to our Seminar co-ordinator!
Generally, the seminars vary from store-to-store, as we rely on local talent
for the instructors... That way we can keep the seminar fees
reasonable....not that we keep 'em of course.... it all goes to Charity
anyway.
Cheers -
Rob
A fool and his money . . .
Glen
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>>2 grand for a smoother, $ 4,000.00+ for a jointer plane???
>>Just the tool I need to build that $ 160,000.00 night stand, eh?
>>
>>*shakes head in disbelief*
>
>
> If you find cheap tools like that wanting, check this out
> http://www.holteyplanes.com/a1.htm
> http://www.holteyplanes.com/prices.htm Currency converter at the bottom for
> your convenience.
>
>
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 02:50:20 GMT, "Michael Daly" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>On 20-Mar-2006, "Robin Lee" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> How about... how much for a piece of Jewlery?? How much for a sunroof in the
>> car? Aluminum rims? A big screen TV??? Sports tickets? A painting? 400 packs
>> of cigarettes? A big V8 Hemi for city driving???
>
>Like the friend I have with the expensive sports car who can't understand why I buy
>cheaper cars and expensive kayaks? You get what you want and what you're willing
>to pay for.
>
>> Expensive - yes, but not bad value...
>
>I'll agree fully. I'm not disparaging the quality. But on my budget, value is spelt
>Veritas :-)
>
... and for that, I'm sure Robin thanks you profoundly. His children
don't have to go to school barefoot.
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 02:50:20 GMT, "Michael Daly" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>On 20-Mar-2006, "Robin Lee" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> How about... how much for a piece of Jewlery?? How much for a
>>> sunroof in the car? Aluminum rims? A big screen TV??? Sports
>>> tickets? A painting? 400 packs of cigarettes? A big V8 Hemi for city
>>> driving???
>>
>>Like the friend I have with the expensive sports car who can't
>>understand why I buy cheaper cars and expensive kayaks? You get what
>>you want and what you're willing to pay for.
>>
>>> Expensive - yes, but not bad value...
>>
>>I'll agree fully. I'm not disparaging the quality. But on my budget,
>>value is spelt Veritas :-)
>>
>
> ... and for that, I'm sure Robin thanks you profoundly. His
> children
> don't have to go to school barefoot.
And he can buy high end tools! :o)
"Robin Lee" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> And he can buy high end tools! :o)
>
> Yeah - but I don't own 'em.... the company does....
Dang! But surely you'll use them now and then?
>
> They'll be going on tour to the stores (as will our entire tool
> collection)... so really, they're "advertising" ....
>
> We intend to rotate displays every 6-8 weeks.... and have a
> circulating museum....
>
> Konrad's jointer will join a couple of Holteys, a Jamestown tool, some
> Bob Bakers, Wayne Andersons, Jim Leamy, a Bridge City .... and so on
> as part of a modern makers display...
Speaking of Bridge City, when are you opening a store in Portland or
Seattle? Oh, Please!
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Demosthenes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > _are_ held, but only in the UK, as far as I can determine ... is it
> > possible that you'd consider WoodRat classes at Lee Valley stores?
>
> If I understand the woodworking classes at Lee Valley properly, demos are
> conducted by knowledgeable staff and customers. I guess classes will
depend
> on such a person turning up and be willing to demonstrate some of what
they
> know.
>
> I'm not sure how Lee Valley Tools gets people to demonstrate, but I'd send
> an email directly to Robin and ask that a request for a Woodrat person be
> put up on the local office / store bulletin board or whatever they use to
> advertise for skills.
>
> I sincerely hope the new (open in April) Toronto store has similar classes
> to the other stores as that is the only store within relatively easy reach
> for me to attend.
>
Hi Dave -
It'll take a bit of time before we can get a schedule up and running in the
new store.... but it shouldn't take too long....
There will be a special slate of seminars/courses set up for the Grand
Opening... not sure exactly what it will be - but I know Konrad Sauer and
Michael Fortune are two of 'em.....
Posted a reply to the "Woodrat" request under the other thread...
Cheers -
Rob
On 18-Mar-2006, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> 2 grand for a smoother, $ 4,000.00+ for a jointer plane???
> Just the tool I need to build that $ 160,000.00 night stand, eh?
>
> *shakes head in disbelief*
This reminds me of a chat I had with a guy that built high-end wood
canoes. These were gorgeous works of art. I asked who would spend
$10,000+ on a canoe and then paddle it in real conditions (Arrgh! a
scratch!!!). He said most of his sales were to people who would never
use a canoe. They were millionaire types who wanted the perfect
art work for the cottage boat house.
I once visited a home like that and the woodworking shop was, well,
different. You could eat off the floor! He had special cabinets to
display all the ($$$) hand tools. His house was filled with high-end,
purchased furniture. I couldn't see anything that I could identify as
having been made by the owner. He'd probably buy one of these planes.
Mike