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max

16/11/2004 4:29 AM

Delta 22 580 vs Dewalt DW 735

Ok, I am ready to buy a planer and I have narrowed it down to these two. The
bottom line is that the Dewalt is around $175 more than the Delta. They both
seem pretty good. The Dewalt has 3 knives instead of the two Delta uses.
Anybody?
I don't mind spending the extra money if I will see the difference.
max


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Bb

"Bob"

in reply to max on 16/11/2004 4:29 AM

17/11/2004 7:19 AM


<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> My strategy is buy
> right, buy once,

You have a strategy????!!!??? What kind of self-respecting woodworker are
you?

Bob

j

in reply to max on 16/11/2004 4:29 AM

16/11/2004 9:15 AM

I have used the 734 and now own, and have used extensively, the 735.
The 735 is much better than the 734 - very heavy duty. The finish that
the 735 produces is excellent, particularly on the slow speed. The
chip blower feature works extremely well. With a little practice one
can eliminate snipe. The Woodcraft rent-a-shop in Rockville MD, a
Delta and Dewalt dealer, uses the 735 as the benchtop planer for the
shop. It gets a lot of use and keeps on chugging. My strategy is buy
right, buy once, so I went with the 735.

J


max wrote:
> Ok, I am ready to buy a planer and I have narrowed it down to these
two. The
> bottom line is that the Dewalt is around $175 more than the Delta.
They both
> seem pretty good. The Dewalt has 3 knives instead of the two Delta
uses.
> Anybody?
> I don't mind spending the extra money if I will see the difference.
> max

TT

TWS

in reply to max on 16/11/2004 4:29 AM

17/11/2004 1:05 PM

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:38:36 -0500, RKG
<[email protected]> wrote:

<snip>
>
>The Dewalt on it's slowest speed gives you twice as many cuts per inch
>as the Delta so it will be a smoother finish so you have to decide how
>much an extra couple swipes with sandpaper is worth to you.
>
I think the slower speed and number of cuts per inch are more valuable
than just eliminating a couple of swipes of sandpaper. If you plan on
doing any work with figured woods (even plain maple has some figure)
you will appreciate the value of the slow feed speed. It could mean
the difference between a couple of swipes of sandpaper vs taking the
piece to a shop with a wide belt sander to sand down the whole surface
to remove the tear-outs which hopefully leaves you enough thickness
for your finished piece.

TWS

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igor

in reply to max on 16/11/2004 4:29 AM

17/11/2004 2:19 PM

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:50:41 GMT, mac davis <[email protected]> wrote:

>Dave... i thought that the HF deal on Dealt was too good to be true,
>and it is... it's a 733R, not a 734...
>734 seems to be $389 everywhere, haven't seen a 734R yet..

Toolking has the 734r for $320 plus "handling" of $6, free shipping.
http://www.toolking.com/dewalt/view.asp?id=7997

Amazon has the 734 (not r) for $305, net, after rebates, free shipping.

Toolking also has the 735r for $400 + $6, which seems to be the best deal
on the 735, since it comes w/ the same 1year warranty as the new version.
http://www.toolking.com/dewalt/view.asp?id=10001 Amazon's new price is
$500. Just remember that with the 735(r or not) you need to pay $45 or so
extra if you want the front and back "tables"; the 734 has them incl. --
Igor

md

mac davis

in reply to max on 16/11/2004 4:29 AM

17/11/2004 7:50 AM

On 16 Nov 2004 07:43:15 -0800, [email protected] (David Hall)
wrote:

>max <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<BDBEC2E2.33B3B%[email protected]>...
>> Ok, I am ready to buy a planer and I have narrowed it down to these two. The
>> bottom line is that the Dewalt is around $175 more than the Delta. They both
>> seem pretty good. The Dewalt has 3 knives instead of the two Delta uses.
>> Anybody?
>> I don't mind spending the extra money if I will see the difference.
>> max
>
>I don't really know these machines, but my brother just bought a (new,
>not refurbed)DeWalt 734 3 blade planer for $289 at Sears a couple
>weeks ago. I see it advertised as a refurb regularly in the Harbor
>Freight catalog for $299. The 735 looks to be a lot more planer than
>the 734, but based on pictures the 734 appears to be at least as good
>if not better than the Delta 22-580.
>
>Dave Hall

Dave... i thought that the HF deal on Dealt was too good to be true,
and it is... it's a 733R, not a 734...
734 seems to be $389 everywhere, haven't seen a 734R yet..

dD

[email protected] (Daniel Martin)

in reply to max on 16/11/2004 4:29 AM

16/11/2004 9:40 AM

I chose the Delta 22-580 and I had looked at the Dewalt 735. What I
really wanted was too expensive so the Delta was the best compromise.
So far i'm very satisfied with my choice.


> max <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Ok, I am ready to buy a planer and I have narrowed it down to these two. The
> >bottom line is that the Dewalt is around $175 more than the Delta. They both
> >seem pretty good. The Dewalt has 3 knives instead of the two Delta uses.
> >Anybody?
> >I don't mind spending the extra money if I will see the difference.
> >max
> >
>
> The Delta is arguably better than the DeWalt 734.
>
> All the reviews on the 735, when it cam out, put it 'in a class by itself'.
> The most noticeable thing -- *no* snipe, for all practical purposes.
> The _automatic_ head lock got part of the credit for that. Reviewers also
> liked a number of other 'little' features better on the 735.
>
> _Craftsman_, of all people, also had a new model out, that rated very well
> in the reviews. The big winner with it was the built-in 'chip ejector' (as
> Sears calls it) -- don't need a dust-collector hooked up to it. No big deal
> if you already have a dust-collector, =big= deal if you don't. :)
>
> The 735 is quite a bit heavier than the Delta, and significantly noisier.
> this is _not_ to say that the Delta is quiet -- it isn't, not by _any_
> stretch of the imagination.
>
> And, obviously, a replacement knife set for the 735 is going to cost more
> than for the Delta.
>
> You _won't_ go wrong with either one. If I had a place to use one -- the
> drawbacks of having one's "shop" in a bedroom of a condo, about 45 sq. ft
> of usable space -- I, *personally*, would go for the 735; among other reasons
> because I like the arrangement of the thickness adjustment controls/indicators
> better.

in

igor

in reply to max on 16/11/2004 4:29 AM

16/11/2004 2:49 PM

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 04:29:50 GMT, max <[email protected]> wrote:

>Ok, I am ready to buy a planer and I have narrowed it down to these two. The
>bottom line is that the Dewalt is around $175 more than the Delta. They both
>seem pretty good. The Dewalt has 3 knives instead of the two Delta uses.
>Anybody?
>I don't mind spending the extra money if I will see the difference.
>max

I've been trying to decide between the DW734 and the DW735. Note that the
735 does not come with the front and back tables -- which at Amazon are an
extra $45. (The Delta seems to come with tables.) Did you consider the
DW734? If yes and you decided against it, any particular reasons?

I _thought_ that the big performance difference between the two Dewalts,
besides the fact that the 734 does come with the tables and they do adjust
differently, is the chip ejector dealie. I _thought_ that the
lock-down/anti-snipe features of these two were the same. I have a DC so
the ejector dealie would not be a big deal for me, so I was thinking the
734 as the final choice (again, it comes with the tables). And, my
impression from DAGS of past threads was that both Dewalts do a better job
avoiding snipe than all the comparable units by others. The other replies
you've gotten make me think I am still missing something. For my personal
calculation, paying an extra $150 or so is worth the savings in aggravation
and wood costs IF there is a substantial difference in snipe-avoidance (at
a given level of operator skill and effort). In any event, If the tables
are important to you then you should add $45 to the DW735 real cost.

BTW, at Amazon through the end of the year, after rebates, etc., the net
cost of the 734 is $305 versus $475 for the 735. The Delta is only $295
after rebates, but then you have to get the dust hood for $25. Mix and
match at your leisure. For me, more research, but I'm still leaning
towards the DW734. -- Igor.

bR

[email protected] (Robert Bonomi)

in reply to max on 16/11/2004 4:29 AM

16/11/2004 9:40 AM

In article <BDBEC2E2.33B3B%[email protected]>,
max <[email protected]> wrote:
>Ok, I am ready to buy a planer and I have narrowed it down to these two. The
>bottom line is that the Dewalt is around $175 more than the Delta. They both
>seem pretty good. The Dewalt has 3 knives instead of the two Delta uses.
>Anybody?
>I don't mind spending the extra money if I will see the difference.
>max
>

The Delta is arguably better than the DeWalt 734.

All the reviews on the 735, when it cam out, put it 'in a class by itself'.
The most noticeable thing -- *no* snipe, for all practical purposes.
The _automatic_ head lock got part of the credit for that. Reviewers also
liked a number of other 'little' features better on the 735.

_Craftsman_, of all people, also had a new model out, that rated very well
in the reviews. The big winner with it was the built-in 'chip ejector' (as
Sears calls it) -- don't need a dust-collector hooked up to it. No big deal
if you already have a dust-collector, =big= deal if you don't. :)

The 735 is quite a bit heavier than the Delta, and significantly noisier.
this is _not_ to say that the Delta is quiet -- it isn't, not by _any_
stretch of the imagination.

And, obviously, a replacement knife set for the 735 is going to cost more
than for the Delta.

You _won't_ go wrong with either one. If I had a place to use one -- the
drawbacks of having one's "shop" in a bedroom of a condo, about 45 sq. ft
of usable space -- I, *personally*, would go for the 735; among other reasons
because I like the arrangement of the thickness adjustment controls/indicators
better.

hD

[email protected] (David Hall)

in reply to max on 16/11/2004 4:29 AM

16/11/2004 7:43 AM

max <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<BDBEC2E2.33B3B%[email protected]>...
> Ok, I am ready to buy a planer and I have narrowed it down to these two. The
> bottom line is that the Dewalt is around $175 more than the Delta. They both
> seem pretty good. The Dewalt has 3 knives instead of the two Delta uses.
> Anybody?
> I don't mind spending the extra money if I will see the difference.
> max

I don't really know these machines, but my brother just bought a (new,
not refurbed)DeWalt 734 3 blade planer for $289 at Sears a couple
weeks ago. I see it advertised as a refurb regularly in the Harbor
Freight catalog for $299. The 735 looks to be a lot more planer than
the 734, but based on pictures the 734 appears to be at least as good
if not better than the Delta 22-580.

Dave Hall

hD

[email protected] (David Hall)

in reply to max on 16/11/2004 4:29 AM

16/11/2004 1:32 PM

igor <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 04:29:50 GMT, max <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Ok, I am ready to buy a planer and I have narrowed it down to these two. The
> >bottom line is that the Dewalt is around $175 more than the Delta. They both
> >seem pretty good. The Dewalt has 3 knives instead of the two Delta uses.
> >Anybody?
> >I don't mind spending the extra money if I will see the difference.
> >max
>
> I've been trying to decide between the DW734 and the DW735. Note that the
> 735 does not come with the front and back tables -- which at Amazon are an
> extra $45. (The Delta seems to come with tables.) Did you consider the
> DW734? If yes and you decided against it, any particular reasons?
>
> I _thought_ that the big performance difference between the two Dewalts,
> besides the fact that the 734 does come with the tables and they do adjust
> differently, is the chip ejector dealie. I _thought_ that the
> lock-down/anti-snipe features of these two were the same. SNIP

Based on looking at them recently at a Woodcraft store it appears to
me that the 734's head travels on two smallish threaded rods (maybe
1/2" or so), one on each side of the cutterhead assembly. The 735
travels on 4 large rods (maybe 1.5" or so diameter), one in each
corner. The entire top of the 735 travels up & down, while only the
cutterhead assembly on the 734 travels up & down. Just on appearance
the 735 looks MUCH more substantial and stable to me.

Dave Hall

Bb

"Bob"

in reply to max on 16/11/2004 4:29 AM

19/11/2004 4:22 PM


"TWS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Now with the BS I have mixed feelings. I couldn't have gotten a BS
> yet if I waited until I could afford the best and I've gotten a lot of
> use out of mine but, now that I have really good tools with my other
> tools, I'm less comfortable with 'making do' with this BS. Ah,
> waiting for the next $1500 windfall...

Thank you for the long, descriptive post. It helps me loosen up a bit. I
might buy that Powermatic 14" on sale after all. Another thing that made me
stop and think. My shop is filling up. I don't have room for everything I
want and I am not moving any time soon.

What was your "good enough for now" band saw? I think of the Grizzley saw
under $400 as falling into that category.

Bob

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to max on 16/11/2004 4:29 AM

16/11/2004 4:53 PM


"igor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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For my personal
> calculation, paying an extra $150 or so is worth the savings in
> aggravation
> and wood costs IF there is a substantial difference in snipe-avoidance (at
> a given level of operator skill and effort).


I still use one of the originals, The Ryobi AP10. Snipe is a way of life
but I have learned to keep it to a minimum. That said, most of the lumber
that I buy has ends that are not square, typically has a split 2 to 3 inches
from the ends and are typically 4-6" longer than even foot measurements.
With that in mind, I end up cutting off the snipe when squaring or
eliminating the splits anyway.

Bb

"Bob"

in reply to max on 16/11/2004 4:29 AM

17/11/2004 7:25 AM


"RKG" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> walnut through this thing in the last year. Hardest problem at first
> was finding replacement knives. The local BORG and Canadian Tire which
> both sell the planer did not carry the replacements. Now keep a spare
> set on hand at all times.

There's a couple of blade sets sitting on the shelf at my local Lowe's. I
guess I better shuffle over there and buy one or both. They are certainly
cheap ($29/set).

Bob

TT

TWS

in reply to max on 16/11/2004 4:29 AM

17/11/2004 1:12 PM

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:19:23 GMT, "Bob"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> My strategy is buy
>> right, buy once,
>
>You have a strategy????!!!??? What kind of self-respecting woodworker are
>you?
>
>Bob
>
<g> A strategy is usually something you realize you should have had
after you made the first mistake. After that it is easier to apply
the 'strategy'...

Like J I have a strategy on all the tools I buy. These strategic
decisions are made while replacing the cheap ones I bought when I
started out.

TWS

Bb

"Bob"

in reply to max on 16/11/2004 4:29 AM

16/11/2004 5:31 AM


"max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:BDBEC2E2.33B3B%[email protected]...
> Ok, I am ready to buy a planer and I have narrowed it down to these two.
The
> bottom line is that the Dewalt is around $175 more than the Delta. They
both
> seem pretty good. The Dewalt has 3 knives instead of the two Delta uses.
> Anybody?
> I don't mind spending the extra money if I will see the difference.
> max
>

My opinion is that no bench top planer is going to give you a final finish
on your boards, especially after the knives get a little worn - sometimes
just a month of use gets you to the state where that new out-of-the-box
finish is no longer there. So look at it as a fine tool to get your boards
quickly to a final thickness with a surface that won't take much sanding or
hand planing to get you ready to apply finish.

I have no doubt that the Dewalt produces a better finish on day one. But I
wonder if you can tell the difference after 5-6 months of use. I have the
Delta because I got it on sale at Lowe's for $229. I was planning to get a
helical blade cast iron planer later, but considering the Dewalt as my
planer choice for a couple of years. When the Delta came on sale, it was a
no brainer. I could use it a year and throw it away. I was truly astounded
at how well the Delta works. No muss, no fuss, just does its job. Think of
that $175 price difference as a set of nice chisels or a Tom Knight smoother
plane or a new cordless drill or a biscuit joiner.

Maybe you can find one of those planers tucked away in a Lowe's dusty shelf
somewhere for $229. If you live near Houston, Texas I can recommend a
couple of stores to check.

Bob

md

mac davis

in reply to max on 16/11/2004 4:29 AM

16/11/2004 3:50 PM

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:40:29 +0000, [email protected]
(Robert Bonomi) wrote:

>In article <BDBEC2E2.33B3B%[email protected]>,
>max <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Ok, I am ready to buy a planer and I have narrowed it down to these two. The
>>bottom line is that the Dewalt is around $175 more than the Delta. They both
>>seem pretty good. The Dewalt has 3 knives instead of the two Delta uses.
>>Anybody?
>>I don't mind spending the extra money if I will see the difference.
>>max
>>
>
>The Delta is arguably better than the DeWalt 734.
>
>All the reviews on the 735, when it cam out, put it 'in a class by itself'.
>The most noticeable thing -- *no* snipe, for all practical purposes.
>The _automatic_ head lock got part of the credit for that. Reviewers also
>liked a number of other 'little' features better on the 735.
>
>_Craftsman_, of all people, also had a new model out, that rated very well
>in the reviews. The big winner with it was the built-in 'chip ejector' (as
>Sears calls it) -- don't need a dust-collector hooked up to it. No big deal
>if you already have a dust-collector, =big= deal if you don't. :)
>
>The 735 is quite a bit heavier than the Delta, and significantly noisier.
>this is _not_ to say that the Delta is quiet -- it isn't, not by _any_
>stretch of the imagination.
>
>And, obviously, a replacement knife set for the 735 is going to cost more
>than for the Delta.
>
>You _won't_ go wrong with either one. If I had a place to use one -- the
>drawbacks of having one's "shop" in a bedroom of a condo, about 45 sq. ft
>of usable space -- I, *personally*, would go for the 735; among other reasons
>because I like the arrangement of the thickness adjustment controls/indicators
>better.
>
I'll have to check out the Craftsman... your post and another in the
thread lead me to think that Dewalt makes the Sears one, but I haven't
seen it yet..

Bb

"Bob"

in reply to max on 16/11/2004 4:29 AM

17/11/2004 7:16 AM


"igor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> 734 as the final choice (again, it comes with the tables). And, my
> impression from DAGS of past threads was that both Dewalts do a better job
> avoiding snipe than all the comparable units by others. The other replies
> you've gotten make me think I am still missing something.

I was getting a little bit of snipe when I first got my Delta. I barely knew
what I was doing but made a couple of tweaks and eliminated the snipe
altogether. I originally built a long platform out of melamine to run the
stock over. I had read this got rid of snipe. After making the adjustment,
it worked so well, I quite using the extra board.

Bob

Rg

RKG

in reply to max on 16/11/2004 4:29 AM

16/11/2004 9:38 AM

max wrote:
> Ok, I am ready to buy a planer and I have narrowed it down to these two. The
> bottom line is that the Dewalt is around $175 more than the Delta. They both
> seem pretty good. The Dewalt has 3 knives instead of the two Delta uses.
> Anybody?
> I don't mind spending the extra money if I will see the difference.
> max
>

I have had the Delta for about 2 years now and am happy with it.
Presently on the second side of the second set of blades and the 2nd
drive belt. In the process of replacing all the baseboards and window
molding in the house with white oak so I have run a lot of oak and
walnut through this thing in the last year. Hardest problem at first
was finding replacement knives. The local BORG and Canadian Tire which
both sell the planer did not carry the replacements. Now keep a spare
set on hand at all times.


The Dewalt on it's slowest speed gives you twice as many cuts per inch
as the Delta so it will be a smoother finish so you have to decide how
much an extra couple swipes with sandpaper is worth to you.

Which ever you decide after you have gone through the first set of
knives save them for the boards you get with finish on them. Other than
hitting a chunk of metal embedded in the board I can't think of anything
that takes the edge of the knives faster than the finish on a board.

Take your pick and enjoy you will likely be happy either way.

Rick

m

in reply to max on 16/11/2004 4:29 AM

16/11/2004 3:46 PM

Note that a small muffin fan will fit into the end of the Ridgid Planer's
dust chute - if you round off the edges. This will certainly help "blow"
the chips out.

md

mac davis

in reply to max on 16/11/2004 4:29 AM

17/11/2004 3:49 PM

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:19:43 GMT, igor <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:50:41 GMT, mac davis <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Dave... i thought that the HF deal on Dealt was too good to be true,
>>and it is... it's a 733R, not a 734...
>>734 seems to be $389 everywhere, haven't seen a 734R yet..
>
>Toolking has the 734r for $320 plus "handling" of $6, free shipping.
>http://www.toolking.com/dewalt/view.asp?id=7997
>
>Amazon has the 734 (not r) for $305, net, after rebates, free shipping.
>
>Toolking also has the 735r for $400 + $6, which seems to be the best deal
>on the 735, since it comes w/ the same 1year warranty as the new version.
>http://www.toolking.com/dewalt/view.asp?id=10001 Amazon's new price is
>$500. Just remember that with the 735(r or not) you need to pay $45 or so
>extra if you want the front and back "tables"; the 734 has them incl. --
>Igor

I think my target planer is the Dewalt 734... it sounds like they
improved from the 733, and it's more in my price range than the 735..

TT

TWS

in reply to max on 16/11/2004 4:29 AM

17/11/2004 6:29 PM

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:12:13 GMT, "Bob"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"TWS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> Like J I have a strategy on all the tools I buy. These strategic
>> decisions are made while replacing the cheap ones I bought when I
>> started out.
>
>In my real job, I am a Project Executive and I spend all my time straddled
>between strategic planning and tactical execution. I must admit this
>carried over a bit into my woodworking plan. I put together a purchase plan
>for my shop a year ago. The budget was how much stuff costs, not what I
>could afford. I just wanted to see what I was in for in the long run. I go
>back and update that plan with actual purchases and adjust it occasionally.
>Its surprising how closely I've stuck to it. I occasionally blow the plan
>when a great sale happens of I find something on ebay. The one thing that
>continues to allude me in execution is a band saw. I'm not going to buy one
>less than the $1000 range. But that starts me thinking about the
>Laguna/Minmax spectrum (for a few $100 more, look what I could get!), then I
>back off and don't do anything. Maybe I ought to do like I did the planer -
>buy a lower end and start enjoying it, while planning for the big buy a
>couple of years later.
>
>Bob
>
I can relate to the dilemma on BS. I ended up making the 'this will
work for me for the moment' decision. That 'strategy' worked for me
on my TS which I had for about 12 years and then sold for a really
good TS. I made a number of nice pieces with my old TS but am I glad
I upgraded - what a difference!

That strategy did not pay off on my first jointer - what a POS. I
barely used it. I replaced it with a really good one and now I'm very
happy and use it all the time.

In both cases I sold the old equipment for slightly less than I paid
for it new so I can't complain.

Now with the BS I have mixed feelings. I couldn't have gotten a BS
yet if I waited until I could afford the best and I've gotten a lot of
use out of mine but, now that I have really good tools with my other
tools, I'm less comfortable with 'making do' with this BS. Ah,
waiting for the next $1500 windfall...

I don't buy super cheap unless the occasion calls for a 'disposable'
tool. Medium price tools that have resale value is the secret. When
you upgrade you can recover a lot of the original cost.

IME, the best strategy is one where you can do the woodworking you
enjoy - keeps you sane in the long run and that's hard to put a price
on.

TWS

pc

"patrick conroy"

in reply to max on 16/11/2004 4:29 AM

16/11/2004 6:59 AM


"max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:BDBEC2E2.33B3B%[email protected]...
>
>
> Anybody?

I have the 735 but would have bought the Delta had the price difference been
as great then as it is now.

> I don't mind spending the extra money if I will see the difference.

I doubt it.

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to max on 16/11/2004 4:29 AM

16/11/2004 2:11 PM


"max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:BDBEC2E2.33B3B%[email protected]...
> Ok, I am ready to buy a planer and I have narrowed it down to these two.
> The
> bottom line is that the Dewalt is around $175 more than the Delta. They
> both
> seem pretty good. The Dewalt has 3 knives instead of the two Delta uses.
> Anybody?
> I don't mind spending the extra money if I will see the difference.
> max
>

I believe that the Delta will be cheaper to operate in the long run because
it uses less blades. Like Bob has indicated, after a few runs the blades
will develop nicks or dull to the point that you will have to scrape, sand
or use a smoother to come up with a surface ready for a finish. I would
absolutely not put too much in to the 2 speed feature of either machine.
Both speeds are slow enough to produce an acceptable surface ready for the
next step of surface preparation. This is simply a feature that copies that
big planers but instead of having a fast and finish speed, they use a
finish speed and slower.

Given that, if you do not have a dust collector I understand that the DeWalt
has a fan that blows the debris out. I have heard that a hose running
straight from the planer to a trash can works well.
Other than that, save you money and get the cheapest.

TT

TWS

in reply to max on 16/11/2004 4:29 AM

20/11/2004 3:34 AM

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:22:59 GMT, "Bob"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"TWS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> Now with the BS I have mixed feelings. I couldn't have gotten a BS
>> yet if I waited until I could afford the best and I've gotten a lot of
>> use out of mine but, now that I have really good tools with my other
>> tools, I'm less comfortable with 'making do' with this BS. Ah,
>> waiting for the next $1500 windfall...
>
>Thank you for the long, descriptive post. It helps me loosen up a bit. I
>might buy that Powermatic 14" on sale after all. Another thing that made me
>stop and think. My shop is filling up. I don't have room for everything I
>want and I am not moving any time soon.
>
>What was your "good enough for now" band saw? I think of the Grizzley saw
>under $400 as falling into that category.
>
>Bob
>
I got the Grizzly 18 inch, 2HP, that was a discontinued model, G1012.
$595 plus shipping brought it to $670. It is an old style that was a
cheap Delta knockoff and there is a lot to be desired about the
machining. I've had to shim the tension adjustment both front to back
and side to side to remove the excess play. The blade guides and
wheel alignment is sucky. Enough horsepower but blade speed
adjustment is so inconvenient that I would have to have a really
special project that demanded a slower speed for me to bother. The
tuning I've done since getting it has improved it dramatically but it
is one of those tools I always know I have to play with to get it
right.

My TS & Jointer on the other hand are right on, reliable, solid, and a
pleasure to work with. The difference is knowing that I can look
forward to a project on the TS or Jointer and only have to think about
the project - not fiddling with the equipment. The BS is a different
story - I always plan on fiddling as part of the project. I guess the
main thing is, now that I have the pleasure of good tools elsewhere,
my tolerance for fiddling has reduced somewhat.

Don't get me wrong, I am very glad I got my BS, I just know I'm going
to have to spend more time on it tuning before I get the confidence
I'm happy with. The good news is that I purposely bought a large cast
iron frame because this kind of equipment can be tuned. An aluminum
POS can never be improved.

TWS

Bb

"Bob"

in reply to max on 16/11/2004 4:29 AM

17/11/2004 4:12 PM


"TWS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Like J I have a strategy on all the tools I buy. These strategic
> decisions are made while replacing the cheap ones I bought when I
> started out.

In my real job, I am a Project Executive and I spend all my time straddled
between strategic planning and tactical execution. I must admit this
carried over a bit into my woodworking plan. I put together a purchase plan
for my shop a year ago. The budget was how much stuff costs, not what I
could afford. I just wanted to see what I was in for in the long run. I go
back and update that plan with actual purchases and adjust it occasionally.
Its surprising how closely I've stuck to it. I occasionally blow the plan
when a great sale happens of I find something on ebay. The one thing that
continues to allude me in execution is a band saw. I'm not going to buy one
less than the $1000 range. But that starts me thinking about the
Laguna/Minmax spectrum (for a few $100 more, look what I could get!), then I
back off and don't do anything. Maybe I ought to do like I did the planer -
buy a lower end and start enjoying it, while planning for the big buy a
couple of years later.

Bob


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