In article <[email protected]>, Lee Michaels
<leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gbpeNSDizW1J3cJDz2LHNKWxOveQ
> D9E62II80
That's a pisser...
In article <[email protected]>, Mark &
Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>
> > Mark & Juanita wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Umm, this one never did.
> >>
> >> Kind of from that school of thought that learned wisdom from others,
> >> not one of those who had to pee on the electric fence himself.
> >>
> >
> > Liar...
> >
>
> Not at all. You see, Dad has always used the industrial strength fence
> chargers, starting out when I was young with an International Weedchopper, a
> high-voltage relay controlled unit that was on for about 1 second, then off
> about the same amount of time to permit the afflicted to release their
> involuntary grip on the fence wire. Later came the ~10kv solid state units
> after the IWC died. Having accidentally touched those fences with hands,
> fingers, and legs there was no way on earth I would even think it an
> interesting experiment to allow those suckers a shot at my private parts.
> Just accidentally touching the wire with your hands leave you weak-kneed for
> a short while.
This is a true story. I was there...
When I was in my early 20's in British Columbia's Lower Mainland we had
a small hobby farm. We decided to buy 6 weaner piglets and raise them
for meat. The advice we had was to use an electric fence, so we bought
the charger unit, and a bunch of wire, posts and insulators, and set up
a nice pen in a muddy, but densely overgrown pasture that had been
laying fallow for a couple of years. Perfect for pigs.
My brother Brian and I built a crate in the back of his pick-me-up
truck (brother Sean had wrecked his leg in a motorcycle accident,
brother Gord isn't what you'd call a handyman, sister Suzanne was only
about 5, and we didn't like to let our mom near tools <g>), and headed
for the Cloverdale auction, where we managed to get a half dozen little
porkers at a good price. Then it was back to the farm, and with little
ado we managed to get them into the pen.
Now, pigs are very intelligent animals, and the little piglets quickly
learned to stay away from the fence. This particular fence sent a pulse
of electricity through the wires every 1.5 seconds, not enough to
injure, but a good jolt for a little piggy standing on the wet ground
of British Columbia's Fraser Valley. Pigs are *so* intelligent, in
fact, that we soon realized we could save power by turning the fence
*off* after they had learned that if they touched it, they got zapped.
Only thing is... Pigs are *so* intelligent, in fact, that we soon
realized we had to make sure we turned the fence *on* again every few
days, because if one of them accidentally touched it and *didn't* get a
zap, the fact was quickly communicated to it's piggy siblings.
Of course, one day, we left it a day too long and *all* the pigs
escaped.
It was a sunny morning, and I was hoeing the corn, dressed only in a
pair of gumboots and a pair of cutoffs, with my (then) long hair tied
back in a ponytail, when I heard a yell from Brian, "The pigs
are out!" I dashed out of the corn, and jumped the wooden fence into
the pasture. Brian yelled for Mom to turn the electric fence back on,
and the chase was on, Brian and I in the wet pasture, and Mom, Sean,
Gord and Suzanne leaning on the fence and watching in a mix of concern
and amusement.
Brian and I quickly developed a strategy of picking a single piglet,
herding it toward the pen, and then leaping at it, grabbing the back
legs, and quickly lifting and depositing it back inside the pen, where
it quickly learned that the power was back on.
We were down to two pigs left, and I was hot on the trail of mine. I
saw Brian catch his last one, flip it gently into the pen, and then
turn to try to head mine off.
The pig and I were racing down the long side of the pen, and I was
preparing for my leap. By this time I was covered in wet mud, and
sweating rather profusely. As we near the end of the pen, the pig made
a quick  turn, right at the corner, along the short side.
I tried to do the same.
I failed.
My feet went out from under me and I landed on my side, in the mud,
with three wires under me. One just above my hip, one at the bottom of
my rib cage, and one under my arm.
Now, recall two things:
1- The fence was set to deliver a pulse of electricity every 1.5
seconds.
2- The fence was now turned on.
Time slowed to a near standstill as I realized that:
1- The fence was now turned on;
2- I had less than 1.5 seconds to get to my feet; and,
3- There was no way imaginable that I was going to make it.
ZAP!
While I suffered no injury, except to my pride (I was the only one
present who *wasn't* howling with laughter), I discovered just how
effective a farm electric fence can be in aiding a young man to his
feet, quickly. When the jolt hit me, I was propelled nearly upright,
and then fell backwards, to land in a sitting position in the mud.
Fortunately, Brian had indeed managed to catch the last of the piglets,
and that part of the ordeal was over except for the laughter from my
family, which continues to this day.
Later that year, the pork was somehow even tastier than I had imagined.
In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I can imagine. So, Dave, do you have wall-to-wallow carpeting now?
I work for a farm newspaper now, but I'm definitely urban. Possibly
even urbane.
Badum-dum.
On Mar 2, 1:22=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:45:20 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
> >Lee Michaels wrote:
>
> >http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gbpeNSDizW1J3cJDz2L...=
goes to show ya, don't piss in the ditch.Lew
>
> "The answer my friend, ain't pissin' in the wind.
> =A0 The answer is pissin' in the sink."
>
> --
> Pessimist: One who, when he has the choice of two evils, chooses both.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
The stream needs to be continuous. Mythbusters went there.
On Mar 4, 2:24=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Nahmie" wrote:
>
> No, some of us farmboys learn from others mistakes!!!!(Then there are
> those who just HAVE to piss on the fence themselves)
> ---------------------------------------
>
> What's the difference between an Oriental and an Occidental?
>
> An Occidental learns from his mistakes, an Oriental learns from the
> mistakes of others, it's cheaper.
>
> Lew
There you go, off the PC rails again...
On Mar 1, 4:00=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gbpeNSDizW1J3cJDz2L...
New on the to-do list: check ground bonding of house plumbing...
On Mar 3, 2:55=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 3/3/10 12:55 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 3, 12:39 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >>>> I thought mythbusters totally disproved it?
>
> >>> That was one that they proved. =A0If you have a solid stream of liqui=
d to act
> >>> as a conductor, electricity can follow it. =A0They had quite a bit of=
trouble
> >>> getting a solid stream, but suceeded in the end.
>
> >>> Puckdropper
>
> >> Really? =A0We're using mythbusters as our final word on science?
>
> >> Love the show, but they *hardly* hold to scientific method and
> >> occasionally get it right.
>
> >> In this particular case, if the voltage/current is high enough, you
> >> don't need a "continuous stream." =A0The electricity can arc from drop=
to
> >> drop to drop.
>
> > The voltage would have to be one heckuva lot higher than the 600 volts
> > typically found on a third rail, which is what Mythbusters was trying
> > to establish.
> > For a charge to jump from one drop to the next, to the next the
> > voltage would have to be a lot higher, such as an electric fence.
>
> > Other than that, Mythbusters is a 'reality' show with a twist. They
> > like blowing shit up to get ratings. One is supposed to suspend any
> > belief in scientific methods.
>
> > Why so serious?
>
> Not serious, just blabbin.
>
> I don't think they ever got anywhere near 600 volts on the show.
> I don't know the exact numbers, since I'm only recalling what my buddy
> told me (electrical engineer for AEP), but lines that would fall from a
> pole near a highway or roadway could be 1000+ volts, and certainly very
> high current.
>
Quite often as high as 23,000 volts. Pee on one of those, and all
that'll be left would be your boots. Dusty boots... likely just
footprints. The 4-part biggies go to 500KV and can carry upward of a
gigawatt.
On Mar 3, 4:59=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Robatoy" =A0wrote
>
> Quite often as high as =A023,000 volts. Pee on one of those, and all
> that'll be left would be your boots. Dusty boots... likely just
> footprints. =A0The 4-part biggies go to 500KV and can carry upward of a
> gigawatt.
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> Years ago I was reading about survivors of lightening stikes and industri=
al
> electrical accidents. =A0Talk about an extreme experience! One guy was in=
side
> a big electrical relay room when they turned the power on. =A0Some of the=
se
> folks changed their personality. Most were very grateful to be alive.
>
> But the most interesting factoid was that some of them, no way to determi=
ne
> a percentage, actually grew a third set of teeth. Think about the
> impications for dental health! =A0It would be hard to find research volun=
teers
> though.
Some scientists speculate that a lightning strike hit the primordial
soup and it sprang to life.... over time...more so for some than
others....nebber mind.. BRAINSSSS
Robatoy wrote:
> On Mar 3, 12:39Â pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 3/3/10 6:23 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
>>
>> > [email protected] wrote in
>> >news:9bc1ae89-d502-4c74-a835-bbb026bc60ed@j27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> >> I thought mythbusters totally disproved it?
>>
>> > That was one that they proved. Â If you have a solid stream of liquid to
>> > act as a conductor, electricity can follow it. Â They had quite a bit of
>> > trouble getting a solid stream, but suceeded in the end.
>>
>> > Puckdropper
>>
>> Really? Â We're using mythbusters as our final word on science?
>>
>> Love the show, but they *hardly* hold to scientific method and
>> occasionally get it right.
>>
>> In this particular case, if the voltage/current is high enough, you
>> don't need a "continuous stream." Â The electricity can arc from drop to
>> drop to drop.
>>
>> --
>>
>> -MIKE-
>>
>> "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
>> --Elvin Jones  (1927-2004)
>> --
>> http://mikedrums.com
>> [email protected]
>> ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
>
> The voltage would have to be one heckuva lot higher than the 600 volts
> typically found on a third rail, which is what Mythbusters was trying
> to establish.
.... snip
Try 2000 to 4000 volts:
<http://www.jefferslivestock.com/ssc/product.asp?CID=2&mscssid=WUVAX8K46M459H3EK4M41E26DQQPF2V0&pf_id=17212>
Reading the instructions for one of the units, they have a device you can
buy that will send an alert when voltage drops BELOW 4000 volts. Very low
current, so it's not dangerous, just extremely painful.
--
There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage
Rob Leatham
[email protected] wrote in
news:9bc1ae89-d502-4c74-a835-bbb026bc60ed@j27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>
> I thought mythbusters totally disproved it?
That was one that they proved. If you have a solid stream of liquid to act
as a conductor, electricity can follow it. They had quite a bit of trouble
getting a solid stream, but suceeded in the end.
Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Mar 3, 7:23 am, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote
>> innews:9bc1ae89-d502-4c74-a835-bbb026bc60ed@j27g
> 2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>> > I thought mythbusters totally disproved it?
>>
>> That was one that they proved. If you have a solid stream of liquid
>> to
> act
>> as a conductor, electricity can follow it. They had quite a bit of
>> tro
> uble
>> getting a solid stream, but suceeded in the end.
>>
>
> No pun intended?
>
Nope, didn't even realize there might have been something in there taken
as a pun.
Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
"Robatoy" wrote
>
Quite often as high as 23,000 volts. Pee on one of those, and all
that'll be left would be your boots. Dusty boots... likely just
footprints. The 4-part biggies go to 500KV and can carry upward of a
gigawatt.
=====================
Years ago I was reading about survivors of lightening stikes and industrial
electrical accidents. Talk about an extreme experience! One guy was inside
a big electrical relay room when they turned the power on. Some of these
folks changed their personality. Most were very grateful to be alive.
But the most interesting factoid was that some of them, no way to determine
a percentage, actually grew a third set of teeth. Think about the
impications for dental health! It would be hard to find research volunteers
though.
"Nahmie" wrote:
No, some of us farmboys learn from others mistakes!!!!(Then there are
those who just HAVE to piss on the fence themselves)
---------------------------------------
What's the difference between an Oriental and an Occidental?
An Occidental learns from his mistakes, an Oriental learns from the
mistakes of others, it's cheaper.
Lew
"Robatoy" wrote
BOOGER!!! Just ONE??? But lightning hits continuously all over the
planet. Not just one shot.
Besides, just to get this out of the way, I believe in Creationism,
with a healthy dose of evolution (Adaption?) tossed in to keep us on
our toes.
==================
Creationism, eh??
You make a lousy liberal.
"Lee Michaels" wrote
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gbpeNSDizW1J3cJDz2LHNKWxOveQD9E62II80
>
>
Well, the verdict is in. The autopsy was done. He did not die of pissing on
a downed power line. He GRABBED it with his left hand.
He still qualifies for a Darwin Award though.
First he crashes into a power pole. He calls for help. Then he grabs a
downed power line. Somehow or another, that made sense to him.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011254559_apwaurineelectrocution.html
On Mar 3, 7:23=A0am, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> [email protected] wrote innews:9bc1ae89-d502-4c74-a835-bbb026bc60ed@j27g=
2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > I thought mythbusters totally disproved it?
>
> That was one that they proved. =A0If you have a solid stream of liquid to=
act
> as a conductor, electricity can follow it. =A0They had quite a bit of tro=
uble
> getting a solid stream, but suceeded in the end.
>
No pun intended?
On Mar 4, 2:39=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote
>
> BOOGER!!! Just ONE??? But lightning hits continuously all over the
> planet. Not just one shot.
> Besides, just to get this out of the way, I believe in Creationism,
> with a healthy dose of evolution (Adaption?) tossed in to keep us on
> our toes.
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> Creationism, eh??
>
> You make a lousy liberal.
WTF started this shit about my being a liberal?
On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 23:26:22 -0600, the infamous Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> scrawled the following:
--tiny snippage--
>Later that year, the pork was somehow even tastier than I had imagined.
I can imagine. So, Dave, do you have wall-to-wallow carpeting now?
<gd&r>
Good story. Thanks for sharing.
--
An author spends months writing a book, and maybe puts his
heart's blood into it, and then it lies about unread till
the reader has nothing else in the world to do.
-- W. Somerset Maugham, The Razor's Edge, 1943
On Mar 4, 2:39=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote
>
> BOOGER!!! Just ONE??? But lightning hits continuously all over the
> planet. Not just one shot.
> Besides, just to get this out of the way, I believe in Creationism,
> with a healthy dose of evolution (Adaption?) tossed in to keep us on
> our toes.
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> Creationism, eh??
>
> You make a lousy liberal.
God would have no trouble creating 1 billion-year-old rocks, would He?
On Mar 3, 4:36=A0am, "LDosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:038552c2-63c1-40fb-be79-58f2e91b10d5@c16g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 2, 1:22 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:45:20 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
> > <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
> > >Lee Michaels wrote:
>
> > >http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gbpeNSDizW1J3cJDz2L.=
..
> > >to show ya, don't piss in the ditch.Lew
>
> > "The answer my friend, ain't pissin' in the wind.
> > The answer is pissin' in the sink."
>
> > --
> > Pessimist: One who, when he has the choice of two evils, chooses both.
> > --Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
>
> The stream needs to be continuous. Mythbusters went there.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
------------
> So, more than a six pack ...
I thought mythbusters totally disproved it?
On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 12:19:50 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>On 3/3/2010 4:35 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
>> Some scientists speculate that a lightning strike hit the primordial
>> soup and it sprang to life.... over time...more so for some than
>> others....nebber mind.. BRAINSSSS
>
>Something to mull over on a quiet evening...
Or not.
>What do you suppose the odds are of a lightning strike producing a
>single single DNA (the basis for everything we recognize as being
>"alive") molecule from some random glob of "soup"?
Gazillions to one, minimum. That much juice fries/explodes anything
it touches, including _stone_.
Life globules come from something a wee bit more subtle, I gar-on-tee.
--
An author spends months writing a book, and maybe puts his
heart's blood into it, and then it lies about unread till
the reader has nothing else in the world to do.
-- W. Somerset Maugham, The Razor's Edge, 1943
On Mar 1, 7:00=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gbpeNSDizW1J3cJDz2L...
"Pimentel says there will be an autopsy but burn marks indicated
the way the electricity traveled through Messenger's body."
On Mar 1, 7:00=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gbpeNSDizW1J3cJDz2L...
If I was with him I would of told him that "Urine a lot of
trouble!!" ---Sorry.
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:20:54 -0600, the infamous Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> scrawled the following:
>In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I can imagine. So, Dave, do you have wall-to-wallow carpeting now?
>
>I work for a farm newspaper now, but I'm definitely urban.
But for the memories, wot?
>Possibly even urbane.
P'raps not. Y'ain't got no tea.
urbanely - in an urbane manner;
"`I had tea occasionally with the Duke,' said Mr. Eggers urbanely"
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
--
An author spends months writing a book, and maybe puts his
heart's blood into it, and then it lies about unread till
the reader has nothing else in the world to do.
-- W. Somerset Maugham, The Razor's Edge, 1943
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 05:48:16 -0800 (PST), the infamous Robatoy
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>On Mar 3, 7:23 am, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote innews:9bc1ae89-d502-4c74-a835-bbb026bc60ed@j27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>> > I thought mythbusters totally disproved it?
>>
>> That was one that they proved. If you have a solid stream of liquid to act
>> as a conductor, electricity can follow it. They had quite a bit of trouble
>> getting a solid stream, but suceeded in the end.
>
>No pun intended?
Um, _what_ pun, Toy? "In the end"?
It really isn't funny. (wrong end)
--
An author spends months writing a book, and maybe puts his
heart's blood into it, and then it lies about unread till
the reader has nothing else in the world to do.
-- W. Somerset Maugham, The Razor's Edge, 1943
On 3/1/2010 6:22 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, Lee Michaels
> <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gbpeNSDizW1J3cJDz2LHNKWxOveQ
>> D9E62II80
>
> That's a pisser...
A short in the shorts ...
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
In article <12f6d0e5-2e0c-4d86-92a4-3a9fccf8582c@g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mar 4, 2:24 pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Nahmie" wrote:
>>
>> No, some of us farmboys learn from others mistakes!!!!(Then there are
>> those who just HAVE to piss on the fence themselves)
>> ---------------------------------------
>>
>> What's the difference between an Oriental and an Occidental?
>>
>> An Occidental learns from his mistakes, an Oriental learns from the
>> mistakes of others, it's cheaper.
>>
>> Lew
>
>There you go, off the PC rails again...
Yahbut -- he did it by Occident! <grin>
Several thousand volts?
--
Alan
"Zz Yzx" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 19:00:19 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
> <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gbpeNSDizW1J3cJDz2LHNKWxOveQD9E62II80
>>
>>
>
> OK, here's the REAL opportunity fer fun:
>
> "What was the last thing to go through his mind"?
>
> Besides "Oh FUCK!"
>
> -Zz
Dave Balderstone wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Mark &
> Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>
>> > Mark & Juanita wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Umm, this one never did.
>> >>
>> >> Kind of from that school of thought that learned wisdom from others,
>> >> not one of those who had to pee on the electric fence himself.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Liar...
>> >
>>
>> Not at all. You see, Dad has always used the industrial strength fence
>> chargers, starting out when I was young with an International
... snip
>> after the IWC died. Having accidentally touched those fences with hands,
>> fingers, and legs there was no way on earth I would even think it an
>> interesting experiment to allow those suckers a shot at my private parts.
>> Just accidentally touching the wire with your hands leave you weak-kneed
>> for a short while.
>
> This is a true story. I was there...
>
... snip
>
> 3- There was no way imaginable that I was going to make it.
>
> ZAP!
>
... snip
Yep -- Definitely gets your attention, doesn't it?
--
There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage
Rob Leatham
On Mar 1, 6:35=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Swingman" =A0wrote
>
> > Lee Michaels wrote:
> >>http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gbpeNSDizW1J3cJDz2L..=
.
>
> > Downright shocking ...
>
> > --
>
> Every farmboy has pissed on an electric fence.
>
> This takes it to a whole new level.
No, some of us farmboys learn from others mistakes!!!!(Then there are
those who just HAVE to piss on the fence themselves)
Uncle's favorite trick was when walking along shoulder of road in
fresh dewy grass, me barefoot & him in rubber boots, he'd grab my hand
and then grab the fence with the other hand. Pulsating type fencer,
pops out a spark-plug sized jolt every 3 to 4 sec, and the poor soul
on the END of the loop gets nailed worse than if I had grabbed the
fence myself.
Norm
Mike Marlow wrote:
> Mark & Juanita wrote:
>
>>
>> Umm, this one never did.
>>
>> Kind of from that school of thought that learned wisdom from others,
>> not one of those who had to pee on the electric fence himself.
>>
>
> Liar...
>
Not at all. You see, Dad has always used the industrial strength fence
chargers, starting out when I was young with an International Weedchopper, a
high-voltage relay controlled unit that was on for about 1 second, then off
about the same amount of time to permit the afflicted to release their
involuntary grip on the fence wire. Later came the ~10kv solid state units
after the IWC died. Having accidentally touched those fences with hands,
fingers, and legs there was no way on earth I would even think it an
interesting experiment to allow those suckers a shot at my private parts.
Just accidentally touching the wire with your hands leave you weak-kneed for
a short while.
--
There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage
Rob Leatham
On Mar 3, 12:39=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 3/3/10 6:23 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
>
> > [email protected] wrote in
> >news:9bc1ae89-d502-4c74-a835-bbb026bc60ed@j27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> I thought mythbusters totally disproved it?
>
> > That was one that they proved. =A0If you have a solid stream of liquid =
to act
> > as a conductor, electricity can follow it. =A0They had quite a bit of t=
rouble
> > getting a solid stream, but suceeded in the end.
>
> > Puckdropper
>
> Really? =A0We're using mythbusters as our final word on science?
>
> Love the show, but they *hardly* hold to scientific method and
> occasionally get it right.
>
> In this particular case, if the voltage/current is high enough, you
> don't need a "continuous stream." =A0The electricity can arc from drop to
> drop to drop.
>
> --
>
> =A0 -MIKE-
>
> =A0 "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
> =A0 =A0 =A0--Elvin Jones =A0(1927-2004)
> =A0 --
> =A0http://mikedrums.com
> =A0 [email protected]
> =A0 ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
The voltage would have to be one heckuva lot higher than the 600 volts
typically found on a third rail, which is what Mythbusters was trying
to establish.
For a charge to jump from one drop to the next, to the next the
voltage would have to be a lot higher, such as an electric fence.
Other than that, Mythbusters is a 'reality' show with a twist. They
like blowing shit up to get ratings. One is supposed to suspend any
belief in scientific methods.
Why so serious?
On Mar 4, 1:31=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 3/4/10 12:19 PM, Morris Dovey wrote:
>
> > On 3/3/2010 4:35 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> >> Some scientists speculate that a lightning strike hit the primordial
> >> soup and it sprang to life.... over time...more so for some than
> >> others....nebber mind.. BRAINSSSS
>
> > Something to mull over on a quiet evening...
>
> > What do you suppose the odds are of a lightning strike producing a
> > single single DNA (the basis for everything we recognize as being
> > "alive") molecule from some random glob of "soup"?
>
> > :)
>
> Greater than the chance of having the surface of the earth covered with
> identical 1sq.cm tiles, with one of the tiles having a mark on the
> bottom, and tossing a stone in the air at any random location and having
> it land on the marked tile.
>
That would BE phenomenal odds, but odds nonetheless. And to plot that
on a timeline of infinite length, that marked tile would get hit
eventually.
Mark & Juanita wrote:
>
> Umm, this one never did.
>
> Kind of from that school of thought that learned wisdom from others,
> not one of those who had to pee on the electric fence himself.
>
Liar...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 01:36:39 -0800, the infamous "LDosser"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:038552c2-63c1-40fb-be79-58f2e91b10d5@c16g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>On Mar 2, 1:22 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:45:20 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
>> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>>
>> >Lee Michaels wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gbpeNSDizW1J3cJDz2L...goes
>> >to show ya, don't piss in the ditch.Lew
>>
>> "The answer my friend, ain't pissin' in the wind.
>> The answer is pissin' in the sink."
>
>The stream needs to be continuous. Mythbusters went there.
It would be, up until the point the 17kv went through it.
Nobody I know pees in morse code, y'know.
--
An author spends months writing a book, and maybe puts his
heart's blood into it, and then it lies about unread till
the reader has nothing else in the world to do.
-- W. Somerset Maugham, The Razor's Edge, 1943
On Mar 3, 5:30=A0pm, [email protected] (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
>
>
>
>
>
> -MIKE- =A0<[email protected]> wrote:
> >On 3/3/10 3:00 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> >> On Mar 3, 2:55 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >>> On 3/3/10 12:55 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> >>>> On Mar 3, 12:39 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> =A0 =A0wrote:
> >>>>>>> I thought mythbusters totally disproved it?
>
> >>>>>> That was one that they proved. =A0If you have a solid stream of li=
quid to act
> >>>>>> as a conductor, electricity can follow it. =A0They had quite a bit=
of trouble
> >>>>>> getting a solid stream, but suceeded in the end.
>
> >>>>>> Puckdropper
>
> >>>>> Really? =A0We're using mythbusters as our final word on science?
>
> >>>>> Love the show, but they *hardly* hold to scientific method and
> >>>>> occasionally get it right.
>
> >>>>> In this particular case, if the voltage/current is high enough, you
> >>>>> don't need a "continuous stream." =A0The electricity can arc from d=
rop to
> >>>>> drop to drop.
>
> >>>> The voltage would have to be one heckuva lot higher than the 600 vol=
ts
> >>>> typically found on a third rail, which is what Mythbusters was tryin=
g
> >>>> to establish.
> >>>> For a charge to jump from one drop to the next, to the next the
> >>>> voltage would have to be a lot higher, such as an electric fence.
>
> >>>> Other than that, Mythbusters is a 'reality' show with a twist. They
> >>>> like blowing shit up to get ratings. One is supposed to suspend any
> >>>> belief in scientific methods.
>
> >>>> Why so serious?
>
> >>> Not serious, just blabbin.
>
> >>> I don't think they ever got anywhere near 600 volts on the show.
> >>> I don't know the exact numbers, since I'm only recalling what my budd=
y
> >>> told me (electrical engineer for AEP), but lines that would fall from=
a
> >>> pole near a highway or roadway could be 1000+ volts, and certainly ve=
ry
> >>> high current.
>
> >> Quite often as high as =A023,000 volts. Pee on one of those, and all
> >> that'll be left would be your boots. Dusty boots... likely just
> >> footprints. =A0The 4-part biggies go to 500KV and can carry upward of =
a
> >> gigawatt.
>
> >I was trying to narrow it down do what would be carried by a pole that
> >could be knocked down in a car accident. =A0But I've seen some pretty ta=
ll
> >aluminum poles near roadways, carrying distribution lines that are
> >certainly up near the 23k you mentioned.
>
> 'typical' residential distribution -- with a 'can' transformer per reside=
nce
> is going to be in the more-or-less 1.2-4 KV range.
>
> Feeds -to- a sub-station -- one that feeds the residential distribution -=
- tend
> to be in the 15-35kv range. =A0
>
> Metro distribution is usually in the 75-141kv range.
>
> Long haul primaries -- e.g., 'the grid' -- are in the 141kv and up range.
> circa 25 years ago, I knew of a _few_ places that were as high as 600+ kv=
.
>
> The breakdown voltage across an air gap -- what it takes to make a spark
> _initially_ jump -- is in the range of 20-75kv/inch. =A0"Clean, _dry_, ai=
r
> ns at the high end of that range; "damp, dirty, polluted" stuff can be we=
ll
> below the low end.
>
> Insulation stand-offs tend to be 1" per 'few' KV
That would all be pretty much spot on, sir. You have to go a ways to
be needing corona inhibitors.
Swingman wrote:
>
> Great story ... we had electric fences when I was growing up and
> getting zapped in some manner was a constant. Dad still uses them on
> his horse farm to keep the yearlings honest.
>
> Had too much sense to pee on one, but I can't tell you how many times
> I got zapped trying to duck under one to get into the the next pasture
> instead of walking a half mile to the gate ... a sweaty bare back
> makes for hell of a conductor.
We had cows. Though in truth, I've never pee'd on an electric fence, I can
remember too many oops moments as I tried to step/jump over one. There is
that one moment when you realize you're straddling the thing and gravity is
going to win again...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:45:20 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Lee Michaels wrote:
>
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gbpeNSDizW1J3cJDz2LHNKWxOveQD9E62II80--------------------------------------Just goes to show ya, don't piss in the ditch.Lew
"The answer my friend, ain't pissin' in the wind.
The answer is pissin' in the sink."
--
Pessimist: One who, when he has the choice of two evils, chooses both.
--Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
On Mar 4, 1:19=A0pm, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 3/3/2010 4:35 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> > Some scientists speculate that a lightning strike hit the primordial
> > soup and it sprang to life.... over time...more so for some than
> > others....nebber mind.. BRAINSSSS
>
> Something to mull over on a quiet evening...
>
> What do you suppose the odds are of a lightning strike producing a
> single single DNA (the basis for everything we recognize as being
> "alive") molecule from some random glob of "soup"?
>
> :)
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USAhttp://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
The odds are phenomenally huge, but in this universe, what isn't? And
rather than a strong lightning strike, maybe just a wandering
electrostatic sizzle could have randomly arranged a billion DNA
wigglies that eventually mutated into woodworkers as we know them?
Well.. it COULD have happened..... <G> Maybe when they turn the LHC up
to Volume 11 it could set off a chain reaction that would grow into an
alien.
On Mar 3, 8:40=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 3/3/2010 7:36 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Swingman wrote:
>
> >> Great story ... we had electric fences when I was growing up and
> >> getting zapped in some manner was a constant. Dad still uses them on
> >> his horse farm to keep the yearlings honest.
>
> >> Had too much sense to pee on one, but I can't tell you how many times
> >> I got zapped trying to duck under one to get into the the next pasture
> >> instead of walking a half mile to the gate ... a sweaty bare back
> >> makes for hell of a conductor.
>
> > We had cows. =A0Though in truth, I've never pee'd on an electric fence,=
I can
> > remember too many oops moments as I tried to step/jump over one. =A0The=
re is
> > that one moment when you realize you're straddling the thing and gravit=
y is
> > going to win again...
>
> Nice driveby, Mike! =A0:)
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
NICE! *tips hat*
On Mar 4, 2:18=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 3/4/10 12:53 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 4, 1:31 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >> On 3/4/10 12:19 PM, Morris Dovey wrote:
>
> >>> On 3/3/2010 4:35 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> >>>> Some scientists speculate that a lightning strike hit the primordial
> >>>> soup and it sprang to life.... over time...more so for some than
> >>>> others....nebber mind.. BRAINSSSS
>
> >>> Something to mull over on a quiet evening...
>
> >>> What do you suppose the odds are of a lightning strike producing a
> >>> single single DNA (the basis for everything we recognize as being
> >>> "alive") molecule from some random glob of "soup"?
>
> >>> :)
>
> >> Greater than the chance of having the surface of the earth covered wit=
h
> >> identical 1sq.cm tiles, with one of the tiles having a mark on the
> >> bottom, and tossing a stone in the air at any random location and havi=
ng
> >> it land on the marked tile.
>
> > That would BE phenomenal odds, but odds nonetheless. And to plot that
> > on a timeline of infinite length, that marked tile would get hit
> > eventually.
>
> But that's the point of the illustration, you don't get to do it over.
> You get one chance and those are the odds.
>
> --
>
> =A0 -MIKE-
>
> =A0 "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
> =A0 =A0 =A0--Elvin Jones =A0(1927-2004)
> =A0 --
> =A0http://mikedrums.com
> =A0 [email protected]
> =A0 ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
BOOGER!!! Just ONE??? But lightning hits continuously all over the
planet. Not just one shot.
Besides, just to get this out of the way, I believe in Creationism,
with a healthy dose of evolution (Adaption?) tossed in to keep us on
our toes.
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 21:17:41 -0000, "Alan Squires"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Several thousand volts?
Yeah, that.
Q: What's the last thing to go through a bug's mind when it hits your
windshield?
A: It's asshole.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:038552c2-63c1-40fb-be79-58f2e91b10d5@c16g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 2, 1:22 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:45:20 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
> >Lee Michaels wrote:
>
> >http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gbpeNSDizW1J3cJDz2L...goes
> >to show ya, don't piss in the ditch.Lew
>
> "The answer my friend, ain't pissin' in the wind.
> The answer is pissin' in the sink."
>
> --
> Pessimist: One who, when he has the choice of two evils, chooses both.
> --Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
The stream needs to be continuous. Mythbusters went there.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So, more than a six pack ...
On 3/3/10 6:23 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> [email protected] wrote in
> news:9bc1ae89-d502-4c74-a835-bbb026bc60ed@j27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>
>>
>> I thought mythbusters totally disproved it?
>
> That was one that they proved. If you have a solid stream of liquid to act
> as a conductor, electricity can follow it. They had quite a bit of trouble
> getting a solid stream, but suceeded in the end.
>
> Puckdropper
Really? We're using mythbusters as our final word on science?
Love the show, but they *hardly* hold to scientific method and
occasionally get it right.
In this particular case, if the voltage/current is high enough, you
don't need a "continuous stream." The electricity can arc from drop to
drop to drop.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
On 3/3/10 12:55 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Mar 3, 12:39 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> I thought mythbusters totally disproved it?
>>
>>> That was one that they proved. If you have a solid stream of liquid to act
>>> as a conductor, electricity can follow it. They had quite a bit of trouble
>>> getting a solid stream, but suceeded in the end.
>>
>>> Puckdropper
>>
>> Really? We're using mythbusters as our final word on science?
>>
>> Love the show, but they *hardly* hold to scientific method and
>> occasionally get it right.
>>
>> In this particular case, if the voltage/current is high enough, you
>> don't need a "continuous stream." The electricity can arc from drop to
>> drop to drop.
>>
>
> The voltage would have to be one heckuva lot higher than the 600 volts
> typically found on a third rail, which is what Mythbusters was trying
> to establish.
> For a charge to jump from one drop to the next, to the next the
> voltage would have to be a lot higher, such as an electric fence.
>
> Other than that, Mythbusters is a 'reality' show with a twist. They
> like blowing shit up to get ratings. One is supposed to suspend any
> belief in scientific methods.
>
> Why so serious?
Not serious, just blabbin.
I don't think they ever got anywhere near 600 volts on the show.
I don't know the exact numbers, since I'm only recalling what my buddy
told me (electrical engineer for AEP), but lines that would fall from a
pole near a highway or roadway could be 1000+ volts, and certainly very
high current.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 13:54:46 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>On 3/4/2010 1:18 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 3/4/10 12:53 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>>> On Mar 4, 1:31 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On 3/4/10 12:19 PM, Morris Dovey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/3/2010 4:35 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Some scientists speculate that a lightning strike hit the primordial
>>>>>> soup and it sprang to life.... over time...more so for some than
>>>>>> others....nebber mind.. BRAINSSSS
>>>>
>>>>> Something to mull over on a quiet evening...
>>>>
>>>>> What do you suppose the odds are of a lightning strike producing a
>>>>> single single DNA (the basis for everything we recognize as being
>>>>> "alive") molecule from some random glob of "soup"?
>>>>
>>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> Greater than the chance of having the surface of the earth covered with
>>>> identical 1sq.cm tiles, with one of the tiles having a mark on the
>>>> bottom, and tossing a stone in the air at any random location and having
>>>> it land on the marked tile.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That would BE phenomenal odds, but odds nonetheless. And to plot that
>>> on a timeline of infinite length, that marked tile would get hit
>>> eventually.
>>
>> But that's the point of the illustration, you don't get to do it over.
>> You get one chance and those are the odds.
>
>It would seem reasonable to allow for multiple lightening strikes - but
Yabbut, how many darkening strikes would it take, hmmm?
--
An author spends months writing a book, and maybe puts his
heart's blood into it, and then it lies about unread till
the reader has nothing else in the world to do.
-- W. Somerset Maugham, The Razor's Edge, 1943
On 3/3/10 3:00 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Mar 3, 2:55 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 3/3/10 12:55 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 3, 12:39 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> I thought mythbusters totally disproved it?
>>
>>>>> That was one that they proved. If you have a solid stream of liquid to act
>>>>> as a conductor, electricity can follow it. They had quite a bit of trouble
>>>>> getting a solid stream, but suceeded in the end.
>>
>>>>> Puckdropper
>>
>>>> Really? We're using mythbusters as our final word on science?
>>
>>>> Love the show, but they *hardly* hold to scientific method and
>>>> occasionally get it right.
>>
>>>> In this particular case, if the voltage/current is high enough, you
>>>> don't need a "continuous stream." The electricity can arc from drop to
>>>> drop to drop.
>>
>>> The voltage would have to be one heckuva lot higher than the 600 volts
>>> typically found on a third rail, which is what Mythbusters was trying
>>> to establish.
>>> For a charge to jump from one drop to the next, to the next the
>>> voltage would have to be a lot higher, such as an electric fence.
>>
>>> Other than that, Mythbusters is a 'reality' show with a twist. They
>>> like blowing shit up to get ratings. One is supposed to suspend any
>>> belief in scientific methods.
>>
>>> Why so serious?
>>
>> Not serious, just blabbin.
>>
>> I don't think they ever got anywhere near 600 volts on the show.
>> I don't know the exact numbers, since I'm only recalling what my buddy
>> told me (electrical engineer for AEP), but lines that would fall from a
>> pole near a highway or roadway could be 1000+ volts, and certainly very
>> high current.
>>
> Quite often as high as 23,000 volts. Pee on one of those, and all
> that'll be left would be your boots. Dusty boots... likely just
> footprints. The 4-part biggies go to 500KV and can carry upward of a
> gigawatt.
>
I was trying to narrow it down do what would be carried by a pole that
could be knocked down in a car accident. But I've seen some pretty tall
aluminum poles near roadways, carrying distribution lines that are
certainly up near the 23k you mentioned.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 3/3/2010 6:23 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote in
>> news:9bc1ae89-d502-4c74-a835-bbb026bc60ed@j27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>>
>>> I thought mythbusters totally disproved it?
>>
>> That was one that they proved. If you have a solid stream of liquid to
>> act
>> as a conductor, electricity can follow it. They had quite a bit of
>> trouble
>> getting a solid stream, but suceeded in the end.
>
> A couple of pints of Scotland's finest beer will do it ... two pint input,
> two gallon output.
>
Drink till midnight, piss till dawn!
"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 3/3/10 6:23 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote in
>> news:9bc1ae89-d502-4c74-a835-bbb026bc60ed@j27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>>
>>> I thought mythbusters totally disproved it?
>>
>> That was one that they proved. If you have a solid stream of liquid to
>> act
>> as a conductor, electricity can follow it. They had quite a bit of
>> trouble
>> getting a solid stream, but suceeded in the end.
>>
>> Puckdropper
>
>
> Really? We're using mythbusters as our final word on science?
>
> Love the show, but they *hardly* hold to scientific method and
> occasionally get it right.
>
> In this particular case, if the voltage/current is high enough, you don't
> need a "continuous stream." The electricity can arc from drop to drop to
> drop.
And crossing streams? Eh, what about That?
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Mar 3, 4:59 pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote
>
> Quite often as high as 23,000 volts. Pee on one of those, and all
> that'll be left would be your boots. Dusty boots... likely just
> footprints. The 4-part biggies go to 500KV and can carry upward of a
> gigawatt.
> =====================
>
> Years ago I was reading about survivors of lightening stikes and
> industrial
> electrical accidents. Talk about an extreme experience! One guy was inside
> a big electrical relay room when they turned the power on. Some of these
> folks changed their personality. Most were very grateful to be alive.
>
> But the most interesting factoid was that some of them, no way to
> determine
> a percentage, actually grew a third set of teeth. Think about the
> impications for dental health! It would be hard to find research
> volunteers
> though.
Some scientists speculate that a lightning strike hit the primordial
soup and it sprang to life.... over time...more so for some than
others....nebber mind.. BRAINSSSS
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Throughout the entire thread I've had the picture in my mind of the minister
in Caddyshack golfing in the thunderstorm.
On 3/3/10 10:30 PM, Mark & Juanita wrote:
>> The voltage would have to be one heckuva lot higher than the 600 volts
>> typically found on a third rail, which is what Mythbusters was trying
>> to establish.
> .... snip
>
> Try 2000 to 4000 volts:
> <http://www.jefferslivestock.com/ssc/product.asp?CID=2&mscssid=WUVAX8K46M459H3EK4M41E26DQQPF2V0&pf_id=17212>
>
> Reading the instructions for one of the units, they have a device you can
> buy that will send an alert when voltage drops BELOW 4000 volts. Very low
> current, so it's not dangerous, just extremely painful.
>
So they use a step-up. Makes sense. We've all done those science class
experiments with those weird globe things that sends 10k volts through
your body and makes your hair stand up.
I have a current detector that bugs the crap out of me because it beeps
just from rubbing against me or anything plastic. The customer support
guy said it's registering the voltage in the static electricity
generated from the friction which can be upwards over 600 volts.
Same buddy from AEP told me they've had guys killed from lines they knew
to be dead, but someone was running a generator in a residence, without
turning off their main breaker. The step-down transformers on the poles
built the current up back through the line and "bam!"
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
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On 3/3/2010 4:35 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> Some scientists speculate that a lightning strike hit the primordial
> soup and it sprang to life.... over time...more so for some than
> others....nebber mind.. BRAINSSSS
Something to mull over on a quiet evening...
What do you suppose the odds are of a lightning strike producing a
single single DNA (the basis for everything we recognize as being
"alive") molecule from some random glob of "soup"?
:)
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DeSoto, Iowa USA
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On 3/4/10 12:19 PM, Morris Dovey wrote:
> On 3/3/2010 4:35 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
>> Some scientists speculate that a lightning strike hit the primordial
>> soup and it sprang to life.... over time...more so for some than
>> others....nebber mind.. BRAINSSSS
>
> Something to mull over on a quiet evening...
>
> What do you suppose the odds are of a lightning strike producing a
> single single DNA (the basis for everything we recognize as being
> "alive") molecule from some random glob of "soup"?
>
> :)
>
Greater than the chance of having the surface of the earth covered with
identical 1sq.cm tiles, with one of the tiles having a mark on the
bottom, and tossing a stone in the air at any random location and having
it land on the marked tile.
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In article <[email protected]>, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 3/3/2010 4:35 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
>> Some scientists speculate that a lightning strike hit the primordial
>> soup and it sprang to life.... over time...more so for some than
>> others....nebber mind.. BRAINSSSS
>
>Something to mull over on a quiet evening...
>
>What do you suppose the odds are of a lightning strike producing a
>single single DNA (the basis for everything we recognize as being
>"alive") molecule from some random glob of "soup"?
Given a long enough period of time, pretty high, I should say. Lightning
strikes the earth approximately 300 million times a year, and the planet is
believed to be some five or six billion years old. Assuming the current rate
is representative, that works out in the neighborhood of 1.5 x 10^17 lightning
strikes since the planet was formed. With that many opportunities, the
probability that even a one in a million billion event will occur *sometime*
is, for all practical purposes, certainty.
On 3/4/10 12:53 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Mar 4, 1:31 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 3/4/10 12:19 PM, Morris Dovey wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/3/2010 4:35 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>>
>>>> Some scientists speculate that a lightning strike hit the primordial
>>>> soup and it sprang to life.... over time...more so for some than
>>>> others....nebber mind.. BRAINSSSS
>>
>>> Something to mull over on a quiet evening...
>>
>>> What do you suppose the odds are of a lightning strike producing a
>>> single single DNA (the basis for everything we recognize as being
>>> "alive") molecule from some random glob of "soup"?
>>
>>> :)
>>
>> Greater than the chance of having the surface of the earth covered with
>> identical 1sq.cm tiles, with one of the tiles having a mark on the
>> bottom, and tossing a stone in the air at any random location and having
>> it land on the marked tile.
>>
>
> That would BE phenomenal odds, but odds nonetheless. And to plot that
> on a timeline of infinite length, that marked tile would get hit
> eventually.
But that's the point of the illustration, you don't get to do it over.
You get one chance and those are the odds.
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On 3/4/2010 1:18 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/4/10 12:53 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>> On Mar 4, 1:31 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 3/4/10 12:19 PM, Morris Dovey wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/3/2010 4:35 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Some scientists speculate that a lightning strike hit the primordial
>>>>> soup and it sprang to life.... over time...more so for some than
>>>>> others....nebber mind.. BRAINSSSS
>>>
>>>> Something to mull over on a quiet evening...
>>>
>>>> What do you suppose the odds are of a lightning strike producing a
>>>> single single DNA (the basis for everything we recognize as being
>>>> "alive") molecule from some random glob of "soup"?
>>>
>>>> :)
>>>
>>> Greater than the chance of having the surface of the earth covered with
>>> identical 1sq.cm tiles, with one of the tiles having a mark on the
>>> bottom, and tossing a stone in the air at any random location and having
>>> it land on the marked tile.
>>>
>>
>> That would BE phenomenal odds, but odds nonetheless. And to plot that
>> on a timeline of infinite length, that marked tile would get hit
>> eventually.
>
> But that's the point of the illustration, you don't get to do it over.
> You get one chance and those are the odds.
It would seem reasonable to allow for multiple lightening strikes - but
not on an infinite time line. Planetary conditions would have had to
reach a point where the molecule could persist long enough to replicate
(since that's much of the "point" of a DNA molecule), which would
establish the beginning of the time line - and the strike would have to
occur before those conditions were no longer present.
To make the problem even hairier, the resulting molecule, composed of
the ACGT building blocks would be a dead end if the blocks weren't
arranged in whatever constitutes a "workable" sequence and if the
molecule contained any destabilizing components (like, for example, zinc).
I wasn't asking a rhetorical question - just suggesting that Rob's
comment might lead to some interesting (if not necessarily productive)
quiet contemplation...
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DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Lee Michaels" wrote
>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gbpeNSDizW1J3cJDz2LHNKWxOveQD9E62II80
>>
>>
> Well, the verdict is in. The autopsy was done. He did not die of pissing
> on a downed power line. He GRABBED it with his left hand.
Begs the question, what did he have in his Right hand?
>
> He still qualifies for a Darwin Award though.
Most Certainly!
>
> First he crashes into a power pole. He calls for help. Then he grabs a
> downed power line. Somehow or another, that made sense to him.
>
> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011254559_apwaurineelectrocution.html
>
>
>
On 3/3/2010 7:36 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>
>>
>> Great story ... we had electric fences when I was growing up and
>> getting zapped in some manner was a constant. Dad still uses them on
>> his horse farm to keep the yearlings honest.
>>
>> Had too much sense to pee on one, but I can't tell you how many times
>> I got zapped trying to duck under one to get into the the next pasture
>> instead of walking a half mile to the gate ... a sweaty bare back
>> makes for hell of a conductor.
>
> We had cows. Though in truth, I've never pee'd on an electric fence, I can
> remember too many oops moments as I tried to step/jump over one. There is
> that one moment when you realize you're straddling the thing and gravity is
> going to win again...
Misjudging the distance to the fence, in the dark, will have the same
effect. Seems electric fence height is most effective about crotch high.
I do recall summer nights watching the sparks when the breezes blew the
Johnson grass stems against the fence ... no TV, had to get your
entertainment where you could! :)
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On 3/3/2010 6:23 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> [email protected] wrote in
> news:9bc1ae89-d502-4c74-a835-bbb026bc60ed@j27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>
>>
>> I thought mythbusters totally disproved it?
>
> That was one that they proved. If you have a solid stream of liquid to act
> as a conductor, electricity can follow it. They had quite a bit of trouble
> getting a solid stream, but suceeded in the end.
A couple of pints of Scotland's finest beer will do it ... two pint
input, two gallon output.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
On 3/3/2010 7:36 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>
>>
>> Great story ... we had electric fences when I was growing up and
>> getting zapped in some manner was a constant. Dad still uses them on
>> his horse farm to keep the yearlings honest.
>>
>> Had too much sense to pee on one, but I can't tell you how many times
>> I got zapped trying to duck under one to get into the the next pasture
>> instead of walking a half mile to the gate ... a sweaty bare back
>> makes for hell of a conductor.
>
> We had cows. Though in truth, I've never pee'd on an electric fence, I can
> remember too many oops moments as I tried to step/jump over one. There is
> that one moment when you realize you're straddling the thing and gravity is
> going to win again...
Nice driveby, Mike! :)
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
On 3/2/2010 11:26 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
> ZAP!
>
> While I suffered no injury, except to my pride (I was the only one
> present who *wasn't* howling with laughter), I discovered just how
> effective a farm electric fence can be in aiding a young man to his
> feet, quickly. When the jolt hit me, I was propelled nearly upright,
> and then fell backwards, to land in a sitting position in the mud.
>
> Fortunately, Brian had indeed managed to catch the last of the piglets,
> and that part of the ordeal was over except for the laughter from my
> family, which continues to this day.
>
> Later that year, the pork was somehow even tastier than I had imagined.
Great story ... we had electric fences when I was growing up and getting
zapped in some manner was a constant. Dad still uses them on his horse
farm to keep the yearlings honest.
Had too much sense to pee on one, but I can't tell you how many times I
got zapped trying to duck under one to get into the the next pasture
instead of walking a half mile to the gate ... a sweaty bare back makes
for hell of a conductor.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
Lee Michaels wrote:
>
> "Swingman" wrote
>
>> Lee Michaels wrote:
>>>
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gbpeNSDizW1J3cJDz2LHNKWxOveQD9E62II80
>>
>> Downright shocking ...
>>
>> --
> Every farmboy has pissed on an electric fence.
>
Umm, this one never did.
Kind of from that school of thought that learned wisdom from others, not
one of those who had to pee on the electric fence himself.
> This takes it to a whole new level.
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On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 19:00:19 -0500, the infamous "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> scrawled the following:
>
>http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gbpeNSDizW1J3cJDz2LHNKWxOveQD9E62II80
The burnt weenie was a dead giveaway as to COD, wot?
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In article <[email protected]>,
-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 3/3/10 3:00 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>> On Mar 3, 2:55 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 3/3/10 12:55 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mar 3, 12:39 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> I thought mythbusters totally disproved it?
>>>
>>>>>> That was one that they proved. If you have a solid stream of liquid to act
>>>>>> as a conductor, electricity can follow it. They had quite a bit of trouble
>>>>>> getting a solid stream, but suceeded in the end.
>>>
>>>>>> Puckdropper
>>>
>>>>> Really? We're using mythbusters as our final word on science?
>>>
>>>>> Love the show, but they *hardly* hold to scientific method and
>>>>> occasionally get it right.
>>>
>>>>> In this particular case, if the voltage/current is high enough, you
>>>>> don't need a "continuous stream." The electricity can arc from drop to
>>>>> drop to drop.
>>>
>>>> The voltage would have to be one heckuva lot higher than the 600 volts
>>>> typically found on a third rail, which is what Mythbusters was trying
>>>> to establish.
>>>> For a charge to jump from one drop to the next, to the next the
>>>> voltage would have to be a lot higher, such as an electric fence.
>>>
>>>> Other than that, Mythbusters is a 'reality' show with a twist. They
>>>> like blowing shit up to get ratings. One is supposed to suspend any
>>>> belief in scientific methods.
>>>
>>>> Why so serious?
>>>
>>> Not serious, just blabbin.
>>>
>>> I don't think they ever got anywhere near 600 volts on the show.
>>> I don't know the exact numbers, since I'm only recalling what my buddy
>>> told me (electrical engineer for AEP), but lines that would fall from a
>>> pole near a highway or roadway could be 1000+ volts, and certainly very
>>> high current.
>>>
>> Quite often as high as 23,000 volts. Pee on one of those, and all
>> that'll be left would be your boots. Dusty boots... likely just
>> footprints. The 4-part biggies go to 500KV and can carry upward of a
>> gigawatt.
>>
>
>I was trying to narrow it down do what would be carried by a pole that
>could be knocked down in a car accident. But I've seen some pretty tall
>aluminum poles near roadways, carrying distribution lines that are
>certainly up near the 23k you mentioned.
'typical' residential distribution -- with a 'can' transformer per residence
is going to be in the more-or-less 1.2-4 KV range.
Feeds -to- a sub-station -- one that feeds the residential distribution -- tend
to be in the 15-35kv range.
Metro distribution is usually in the 75-141kv range.
Long haul primaries -- e.g., 'the grid' -- are in the 141kv and up range.
circa 25 years ago, I knew of a _few_ places that were as high as 600+ kv.
The breakdown voltage across an air gap -- what it takes to make a spark
_initially_ jump -- is in the range of 20-75kv/inch. "Clean, _dry_, air
ns at the high end of that range; "damp, dirty, polluted" stuff can be well
below the low end.
Insulation stand-offs tend to be 1" per 'few' KV