In Kansas City, Missouri, after ice storms and on other occasions too,
the city opens a yard
http://www.kcmo.org/environ.nsf/web/leaves2?opendocument where without
cost you can drop off brush (branches, logs, and leaves, but nothing
else). Right now it's open because there was a recent ice storm. If you
want, you can *take away* anything there for free. The city gives away
firewood and converts some of the brush to mulch and gives that away
too.
Naturally, a lot of what makes up the pile are short logs. These are an
assortment, but many are a foot in diameter and about two feet long,
thereabouts. Easily, you can pick up thousands of logs with these
dimensions. Is there any possible use for this wood?
--
*********************
* Nehmo Sergheyev *
*********************
Duane Bozarth wrote:
> Lobby Dosser wrote:
> >
> ...
> >
> > And, IIRC, the eastern forests had buffalo.
>
> Not <very> eastern, anyway...I think east of the Mississippi there
were
> essentially unknown--although that may be more 8th grade
> history/geography than real...interesting question, I'll have to look
> into that.
>
> Where do you mean/are you thinking of by "eastern" forests?
There were the bison of the Great Plains and the woods buffalo.
I think that buffalo lived (and mabe still do) as far east as
Quebec, but I'm not sure how far south they lived in the Eastern
US.
--
FF
Larry Caldwell wrote:
>> How do you explain similar habitats on other continents?
>
> What similar? The American Prairie is unique in the world.
I think he was referring to the pampas of Argentina, the savannah of Africa,
the steppes of Russia, maybe other similar that I'm forgetting. He said
similar, not identical. They're all places naturally devoid of trees.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/
Larry Caldwell wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> (Duane Bozarth) says...
> > Larry Caldwell wrote:
> > ....
> > > ... pioneers would split their own shakes any time the house
> > > needed a roof.
> >
> > No, out here they hitched up the team and turned over more sod... :)
>
> Those weren't pioneers, they were tourists, just passing through.
>
> Nobody lives there any more...
Not us...we been here since the plow...that's a lot later than some
other places, but no miners here.. :)
> The prairie states are approaching unsettled population density.
Some things are to be thankful for... :)
> At least now that the buffalo are gone,
Well, actually, they aren't <quite> gone...quite an industry, actually.
Not as large as beef or pork, but not inconsequential...
> ...they can grow trees.
Nope...never <were> trees and if it <were> to go back to fully
unsettled, the ones here would be gone after the first grass fire, never
to be re-established owing to arid climate and repetitive fires.
Lobby Dosser wrote:
>
...
>
> And, IIRC, the eastern forests had buffalo.
Not <very> eastern, anyway...I think east of the Mississippi there were
essentially unknown--although that may be more 8th grade
history/geography than real...interesting question, I'll have to look
into that.
Where do you mean/are you thinking of by "eastern" forests?
[email protected] wrote:
>
> Duane Bozarth wrote:
> > Lobby Dosser wrote:
> > >
> > ...
> > >
> > > And, IIRC, the eastern forests had buffalo.
> >
> > Not <very> eastern, anyway...I think east of the Mississippi there
> were
> > essentially unknown--although that may be more 8th grade
> > history/geography than real...interesting question, I'll have to look
> > into that.
> >
> > Where do you mean/are you thinking of by "eastern" forests?
>
> There were the bison of the Great Plains and the woods buffalo.
> I think that buffalo lived (and mabe still do) as far east as
> Quebec, but I'm not sure how far south they lived in the Eastern
> US.
Ah...that's the difference...I was thinking only of the plains bison and
had forgotten there was another.
Luigi Zanasi wrote:
...
> None north of the Great Lakes so not in Quebec & Ontario. As far south as
> northern Florida and the Gulf of Mexico coast. They lived mostly west of
> the Appalachians, but they reached the Atlantic in Georgia and Florida.
> For a map:
>
> http://www.bisoncentral.com/history/map.asp
Cool! Thanks...would been <really> neat if they had differentiated the
subspecies on the range map...being on western High Plains, I tend think
only of the Plains variety.
Larry Caldwell wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> (Duane Bozarth) says...
>
> > > ...they can grow trees.
> >
> > Nope...never <were> trees and if it <were> to go back to fully
> > unsettled, the ones here would be gone after the first grass fire, never
> > to be re-established owing to arid climate and repetitive fires.
>
> Oh yeah, I forgot. Out here in the west, our trees don't burn. NOT!
Yes, but fire isn't/wasn't as prevalent/frequent on specific piece of
ground as in the prairies. With the flat unrestricted plains, estimates
were that any given area burned on the average of every 5-10 years.
Fire isn't the only cause, much of it is the soil pH is not particularly
suited for trees' benefit and the continuous wind contributes as well to
stunting growth of those which do survive. All in all, it isn't a very
good place to be a tree.
> The only reason the prairie wasn't wall to wall timber was that the
> buffalo killed all the trees. You should see them around a tree
> sometime. They hate trees. If they can't shove them over, they dig the
> roots up or peel the bark off.
You should see them lounging in the shade of those around some of the
water holes enjoying the shade on a hot summer day... :)
They do, like elephants, enjoy a good pushing contest, though, you're
right. Corral fences are a challenge.
...
> ...I also have trouble thinking of someplace that grows grass as
> arid. It takes a lot of water to grow grass.
Depends of the type of grass, naturally as well as the soil. The sandy
soil will support much more vegetation on minimal rainfall than heavier
soils. If we had clay soils of the type in much of the east, it would
be near-desert.
> There is a mini-ecological crisis going on right now in the prairie
> states, where trees are encroaching on any land that is not under the
> plow. ...
Don't have to google, can look out my window... :)
'Tis true, but as noted, a good burn will fix it. The prime difference
is twofold--first, early settlers and particularly in the Dust Bowl
days, farmers planted trees around their farmsteads and thousands of
miles of windbreaks. These now propogate w/ the aid of birds, etc., and
some can get established. Particularly bad are the red cedar and
tamarisk. Problems are, of course, enhanced the farther east one goes
as rainfall goes up and wind goes down.
Nehmo Sergheyev wrote:
>
snip
>
> Naturally, a lot of what makes up the pile are short logs. These are an
> assortment, but many are a foot in diameter and about two feet long,
> thereabouts. Easily, you can pick up thousands of logs with these
> dimensions. Is there any possible use for this wood?
>
Head on over to a.b.p.w and look for "From One, Many" - what you
can do with fire place size split - wait for it -
Black Walnut
As a respondent noted, a metal detector is a necessity when
resawing logettes from unknow sources. Fortunately, the
paddle type metal detectors are becoming reasonably priced.
And you don't need a wide blade to turn mini-logs into useable
wood. A 1/2", 3 tpi hook tooth will do the job. A decent,
adjustable to the blade lead angle, fence is a must though.
Think - bookmatched drawer faces, jewerly boxes, small
panels ...
Wood - a terrible thing to waste.
charlie b
Nehmo Sergheyev wrote:
>
snip
>
> Naturally, a lot of what makes up the pile are short logs. These are an
> assortment, but many are a foot in diameter and about two feet long,
> thereabouts. Easily, you can pick up thousands of logs with these
> dimensions. Is there any possible use for this wood?
>
Head on over to a.b.p.w and look for "From One, Many" - what you
can do with fire place size split - wait for it
Black Walnut
As a respondent noted, a metal detector is a necessity when
resawing logettes from unknow sources. Fortunately, the
paddle type metal detectors are becoming reasonably priced.
And you don't need a wide blade to turn mini-logs into useable
wood. A 1/2", 3 tpi hook tooth will do the job. A decent,
adjustable to the blade lead angle, fence is a must though.
charlie b
Nehmo Sergheyev wrote:
> I went to news:alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking , but couldn't find the
> subject line. You say wait, so I will. I assume you're saying it's not
> posted yet.
It's still there as of 12:32 am PST 1/22/05
If you can't find it I'll e-mail the images. Am working
on some illustrations of the process to go from
split log to bandsawn boards ready to sticker.
Will put more resawing stuff on my WWing site
in a day or two.
Nehmo Sergheyev wrote:
> I went to news:alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking , but couldn't find the
> subject line. You say wait, so I will. I assume you're saying it's not
> posted yet.
Just finished putting up some pages on bandsawing mini-logs/
split firewood. Here's the page with the black walnut chunk
I just sliced up. You can back up to the "how to" and further
back to making a resaw fence and larger table top.
http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/Resawing3.html
The next page goes over edge joining a pair of bookmatched
boards with a hand plane. If you orient the parts right
the joined edges don't have to be square to the faces of
the boards.
The bandsaw is one versatile (sp?) machine. Though I
didn't know what I'd do with it I got the LT16SEC because
the deal was too good to pass up - $1100 total, delivered
to my shop floor. With a 2.5 hp TEFC motor it's never
bogged down. (Drive by Neener)
charlie b
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:30:27 GMT, "Nehmo Sergheyev"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In Kansas City, Missouri, after ice storms and on other occasions too,
>the city opens a yard
>http://www.kcmo.org/environ.nsf/web/leaves2?opendocument where without
>cost you can drop off brush (branches, logs, and leaves, but nothing
>else). Right now it's open because there was a recent ice storm. If you
>want, you can *take away* anything there for free. The city gives away
>firewood and converts some of the brush to mulch and gives that away
>too.
>
>Naturally, a lot of what makes up the pile are short logs. These are an
>assortment, but many are a foot in diameter and about two feet long,
>thereabouts. Easily, you can pick up thousands of logs with these
>dimensions. Is there any possible use for this wood?
Offhand I can think of a couple of hundred or so uses for wood like
this.
We don't get ice storms around here, but we do get pretty good winds
that tend to take down trees. A lot of people collect the cut-up
pieces for carving, turning, etc. They'd also be nice for cutting into
lumber for jewelry boxes and other small projects. And if you go
through the pile, I'll bet you'll find some stumps (where the whole
tree was uprooted) with really nice figure.
--RC
--RC
"Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells
'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets
fly with a club.
-- John W. Cambell Jr.
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:30:27 GMT, "Nehmo Sergheyev"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In Kansas City, Missouri, after ice storms and on other occasions too,
>the city opens a yard
>http://www.kcmo.org/environ.nsf/web/leaves2?opendocument where without
>cost you can drop off brush (branches, logs, and leaves, but nothing
>else). Right now it's open because there was a recent ice storm. If you
>want, you can *take away* anything there for free. The city gives away
>firewood and converts some of the brush to mulch and gives that away
>too.
>
>Naturally, a lot of what makes up the pile are short logs. These are an
>assortment, but many are a foot in diameter and about two feet long,
>thereabouts. Easily, you can pick up thousands of logs with these
>dimensions. Is there any possible use for this wood?
if they're green wood, and recently cut, you might find some stuff
there for turning.
- Larry Caldwell -
> Sounds like a shake bolt to me, though a good shake bolt is more like
> 2' in diameter.
- Nehmo
I had to look that up:
http://www.emr.gov.yk.ca/forestry/info/scaling_glossary.pdf
Bolt - Any short log specially cut to length, usually for the
manufacture of a specific product (e.g., shake bolt).
So you're suggesting getting the cedar logs and making shake.
- Larry Caldwell -
Are any of them cedar?
- Nehmo
There's plenty of everything, including cedar, that grows here.
--
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* Nehmo Sergheyev *
*********************
Larry Caldwell <[email protected]> wrote:
> The buffalo
> created the prairie. Without them, it will not survive.
>
How do you explain similar habitats on other continents?
- charlie b -
> Head on over to a.b.p.w and look for "From One, Many" - what you
> can do with fire place size split - wait for it
> Black Walnut
>
> As a respondent noted, a metal detector is a necessity when
> resawing logettes from unknow sources. Fortunately, the
> paddle type metal detectors are becoming reasonably priced.
>
> And you don't need a wide blade to turn mini-logs into useable
> wood. A 1/2", 3 tpi hook tooth will do the job. A decent,
> adjustable to the blade lead angle, fence is a must though.
- Nehmo -
I went to news:alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking , but couldn't find the
subject line. You say wait, so I will. I assume you're saying it's not
posted yet.
--
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* Nehmo Sergheyev *
*********************
- bridger -
> if they're green wood, and recently cut, you might find some stuff
> there for turning.
- Nehmo -
I don't have a lathe, but it looks like making bowls is fun:
http://www.customwooddesign.com/turninggreenwood-1.html
I didn't know you could use green wood that way.
--
*********************
* Nehmo Sergheyev *
*********************
In article <[email protected]>, nehmo54
@hotmail.com (Nehmo Sergheyev) says...
> Naturally, a lot of what makes up the pile are short logs. These are an
> assortment, but many are a foot in diameter and about two feet long,
> thereabouts. Easily, you can pick up thousands of logs with these
> dimensions. Is there any possible use for this wood?
Sounds like a shake bolt to me, though a good shake bolt is more like
2' in diameter. Are any of them cedar?
--
http://home.teleport.com/~larryc
In article <[email protected]>, nehmo54
@hotmail.com (Nehmo Sergheyev) says...
> - Larry Caldwell -
> > Sounds like a shake bolt to me, though a good shake bolt is more like
> > 2' in diameter.
>
> - Nehmo
> I had to look that up:
> http://www.emr.gov.yk.ca/forestry/info/scaling_glossary.pdf
>
> Bolt - Any short log specially cut to length, usually for the
> manufacture of a specific product (e.g., shake bolt).
>
> So you're suggesting getting the cedar logs and making shake.
Naw, you wanted to know if there was any specific use for 2' lengths of
log. That's one. You have to pay attention cutting shake bolts. You
need clear wood, because knots will leak. A shake bolt is the length of
clear wood between limb rings.
> - Larry Caldwell -
> Are any of them cedar?
>
> - Nehmo
> There's plenty of everything, including cedar, that grows here.
You might get yourself a mallet and froe and see what comes out. In the
old days, pioneers would split their own shakes any time the house
needed a roof.
--
http://home.teleport.com/~larryc
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
(Duane Bozarth) says...
> Larry Caldwell wrote:
> ....
> > ... pioneers would split their own shakes any time the house
> > needed a roof.
>
> No, out here they hitched up the team and turned over more sod... :)
Those weren't pioneers, they were tourists, just passing through.
Nobody lives there any more...
The prairie states are approaching unsettled population density. At
least now that the buffalo are gone, they can grow trees.
--
http://home.teleport.com/~larryc
In a previous post Larry Caldwell says...
> You might get yourself a mallet and froe and see what comes out. In the
> old days, pioneers would split their own shakes any time the house
> needed a roof.
>
Hand splitting enough shakes to do a full roof is a lot of hard work.
Might be better to take the "bolts" to a shake mill and trade them in
for already split shakes. You will have to give them some cash, but not
as much as if you bought the shakes from a lumber yard.
--
Bob Morrison, PE, SE
R L Morrison Engineering Co
Structural & Civil Engineering
Poulsbo WA
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
(Duane Bozarth) says...
> > ...they can grow trees.
>
> Nope...never <were> trees and if it <were> to go back to fully
> unsettled, the ones here would be gone after the first grass fire, never
> to be re-established owing to arid climate and repetitive fires.
Oh yeah, I forgot. Out here in the west, our trees don't burn. NOT!
The only reason the prairie wasn't wall to wall timber was that the
buffalo killed all the trees. You should see them around a tree
sometime. They hate trees. If they can't shove them over, they dig the
roots up or peel the bark off.
You should take a look at the oak savannah prevalent on much of the west
coast. It's drought adapted, and depends on frequent fires for its
survival. I also have trouble thinking of someplace that grows grass as
arid. It takes a lot of water to grow grass.
There is a mini-ecological crisis going on right now in the prairie
states, where trees are encroaching on any land that is not under the
plow. Do a google on "trees encroaching prairie" (without the quotes)
and see what pops up. It makes interesting reading. The buffalo
created the prairie. Without them, it will not survive.
--
http://home.teleport.com/~larryc
In article <ALkHd.6878$IP6.3572@trnddc05>,
[email protected] (Lobby Dosser) says...
> Larry Caldwell <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > The buffalo
> > created the prairie. Without them, it will not survive.
> >
>
> How do you explain similar habitats on other continents?
What similar? The American Prairie is unique in the world.
--
http://home.teleport.com/~larryc
Duane Bozarth wrote:
> Larry Caldwell wrote:
>>
>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>> (Duane Bozarth) says...
>>
>> > > ...they can grow trees.
>> >
>> > Nope...never <were> trees and if it <were> to go back to fully
>> > unsettled, the ones here would be gone after the first grass fire, never
>> > to be re-established owing to arid climate and repetitive fires.
>>
>> Oh yeah, I forgot. Out here in the west, our trees don't burn. NOT!
>
> Yes, but fire isn't/wasn't as prevalent/frequent on specific piece of
> ground as in the prairies. With the flat unrestricted plains, estimates
> were that any given area burned on the average of every 5-10 years.
>
> Fire isn't the only cause, much of it is the soil pH is not particularly
> suited for trees' benefit and the continuous wind contributes as well to
> stunting growth of those which do survive. All in all, it isn't a very
> good place to be a tree.
>
>> The only reason the prairie wasn't wall to wall timber was that the
>> buffalo killed all the trees. You should see them around a tree
>> sometime. They hate trees. If they can't shove them over, they dig the
>> roots up or peel the bark off.
>
> You should see them lounging in the shade of those around some of the
> water holes enjoying the shade on a hot summer day... :)
>
> They do, like elephants, enjoy a good pushing contest, though, you're
> right. Corral fences are a challenge.
>
> ...
>> ...I also have trouble thinking of someplace that grows grass as
>> arid. It takes a lot of water to grow grass.
>
> Depends of the type of grass, naturally as well as the soil. The sandy
> soil will support much more vegetation on minimal rainfall than heavier
> soils. If we had clay soils of the type in much of the east, it would
> be near-desert.
>
>> There is a mini-ecological crisis going on right now in the prairie
>> states, where trees are encroaching on any land that is not under the
>> plow. ...
>
> Don't have to google, can look out my window... :)
>
> 'Tis true, but as noted, a good burn will fix it. The prime difference
> is twofold--first, early settlers and particularly in the Dust Bowl
> days, farmers planted trees around their farmsteads and thousands of
> miles of windbreaks. These now propogate w/ the aid of birds, etc., and
> some can get established. Particularly bad are the red cedar and
> tamarisk. Problems are, of course, enhanced the farther east one goes
> as rainfall goes up and wind goes down.
Duane, where you at? I grew up in ND and spent a lot of time in and out
of those mile long shelter belts planted back in Dust Bown Days. Every
time I go back home it seems more and more of them are dieing off. Guess
they've hit the end of their life.
Have you ever seen a map of the country showing where the Federal Gov't
helped the farmers plant shelterbelts? National Geo did an article years
ago. It's a strip, maybe a couple hundred miles wide, at most, running
from the Canadian Border to Oklahoma or Texas or somewhere's down there.
Amazing to think about when looked at from that scale. Driving east west
across ND you can almost see the line, on either side, by the sharp
decrease in the number of old shelter belts.
In later years more trees were planted closer up around the buildings
with less and less out in the fields. When I was spending summers on a
tractor, in the 60's, many farms had a single row of trees every few
hundred yards across the fields. But when prices for wheat went sky high
for a few years those trees went and the wheat was planted right up the
sides of the road ditches. Maximum yield.
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:49:15 GMT, "Nehmo Sergheyev" <[email protected]> wrote:
I live south of the KC Metro. This morning I took pics of the free lumber and a
tool. Maybe, one of these days I might even find a router of TS among the free
mulch and lumber :-).
>As I mentioned, Kansas City does give away this wood for fuel, even
>though much of it is green. Some municipality in New Jersey may do the
>same as Kansas City.
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:49:35 -0800, charlie b <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> Just finished putting up some pages on bandsawing mini-logs/
> split firewood. Here's the page with the black walnut chunk
> I just sliced up. You can back up to the "how to" and further
> back to making a resaw fence and larger table top.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/Resawing3.html
>
> The next page goes over edge joining a pair of bookmatched
> boards with a hand plane. If you orient the parts right
> the joined edges don't have to be square to the faces of
> the boards.
>
> The bandsaw is one versatile (sp?) machine. Though I
> didn't know what I'd do with it I got the LT16SEC because
> the deal was too good to pass up - $1100 total, delivered
> to my shop floor. With a 2.5 hp TEFC motor it's never
> bogged down. (Drive by Neener)
>
> charlie b
Inspiring.
Thanks Charlie.
"Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells
'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets
fly with a club.
-- John W. Cambell Jr.
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:54:18 GMT, "Nehmo Sergheyev"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>- bridger -
>> if they're green wood, and recently cut, you might find some stuff
>> there for turning.
>
>- Nehmo -
>I don't have a lathe, but it looks like making bowls is fun:
>http://www.customwooddesign.com/turninggreenwood-1.html
>I didn't know you could use green wood that way.
You don't need a lathe for making bowls. Just gouge them out freeform.
I use a sculptor's adze (bowlmaker's adze would be better), scorp, and
woodcarver's tools. You could also cheat and use a Lancelot tool and a
router for a lot of it.
My way is time-consuming, but fun, especially in green wood.
--RC
"Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells
'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets
fly with a club.
-- John W. Cambell Jr.
[email protected] writes:
>There were the bison of the Great Plains and the woods buffalo.
>I think that buffalo lived (and mabe still do) as far east as
>Quebec, but I'm not sure how far south they lived in the Eastern
>US.
They were in South Carolina...
-Mike
Nehmo Sergheyev wrote:
> - bridger -
>> if they're green wood, and recently cut, you might find some stuff
>> there for turning.
>
> - Nehmo -
> I don't have a lathe, but it looks like making bowls is fun:
> http://www.customwooddesign.com/turninggreenwood-1.html
> I didn't know you could use green wood that way.
>
We have quite a number of home turned bowls from one of my wife's
cousins. He always laughs because it's obvious the bowls he made when
patience was lacking and he couldn't wait any longer for the wood to
dry. They're the ones with the most personality though. He says he's
been pretty lucky and doesn't lose very many to cracking.
- deanbrown3d -
> Sounds just right for a furnace! Give them to me:)
- Nehmo -
If you pay shipping...
As I mentioned, Kansas City does give away this wood for fuel, even
though much of it is green. Some municipality in New Jersey may do the
same as Kansas City.
--
*********************
* Nehmo Sergheyev *
*********************
Larry Caldwell <[email protected]> wrote:
> The only reason the prairie wasn't wall to wall timber was that the
> buffalo killed all the trees. You should see them around a tree
> sometime. They hate trees. If they can't shove them over, they dig the
> roots up or peel the bark off.
>
>
There were Woodland Buffalo living on the east coast at one time.
Duane Bozarth <[email protected]> wrote:
> Larry Caldwell wrote:
>>
>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>> (Duane Bozarth) says...
>> > Larry Caldwell wrote:
>> > ....
>> > > ... pioneers would split their own shakes any time the house
>> > > needed a roof.
>> >
>> > No, out here they hitched up the team and turned over more sod...
>> > :)
>>
>> Those weren't pioneers, they were tourists, just passing through.
>>
>> Nobody lives there any more...
>
> Not us...we been here since the plow...that's a lot later than some
> other places, but no miners here.. :)
>
>> The prairie states are approaching unsettled population density.
>
> Some things are to be thankful for... :)
>
>
>> At least now that the buffalo are gone,
>
> Well, actually, they aren't <quite> gone...quite an industry,
> actually. Not as large as beef or pork, but not inconsequential...
>
>> ...they can grow trees.
>
> Nope...never <were> trees and if it <were> to go back to fully
> unsettled, the ones here would be gone after the first grass fire,
> never to be re-established owing to arid climate and repetitive fires.
>
And, IIRC, the eastern forests had buffalo.
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:59:21 -0800, fredfighte wrote:
> There were the bison of the Great Plains and the woods buffalo. I think
> that buffalo lived (and mabe still do) as far east as Quebec, but I'm
> not sure how far south they lived in the Eastern US.
None north of the Great Lakes so not in Quebec & Ontario. As far south as
northern Florida and the Gulf of Mexico coast. They lived mostly west of
the Appalachians, but they reached the Atlantic in Georgia and Florida.
For a map:
http://www.bisoncentral.com/history/map.asp
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Larry Caldwell <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <ALkHd.6878$IP6.3572@trnddc05>,
> [email protected] (Lobby Dosser) says...
>> Larry Caldwell <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > The buffalo
>> > created the prairie. Without them, it will not survive.
>> >
>>
>> How do you explain similar habitats on other continents?
>
> What similar? The American Prairie is unique in the world.
>
<http://www.nationalgeographic.com/geographyaction/habitats/prairies.html>
Every continent except Antartica.