I made up a sample last night using a slightly different finishing
technique. "Backwards from the normal routine". Just wondering if
anyone thinks there will be a problem.
The finish for the red oak cabinet I have been playing with, is
essentially a water based dye stain, grain filling, and glazing with
an oil based gel stain, prior to top coating. Normal routine is
grain filling after the dye stain.
Last night, I took a piece of red oak, raised the grain, sanded it
down to prepare it. Then I filled the grain.
The grain filler I use is a thick water based paste. It can be
diluted but I don't find dilution to be of value. I tint the filler
with a black water based artists color. I applied it with a putty
knife and scraping the excess off the surface. I let it dry over
night.
This morning, I sanded it with 320 emery cloth and brought it down to
a clean surface with a good fill.
Then I applied the dye stain. Let it dry. Then put the gel stain to
it. I didn't seal between any of the steps which I would normally
do. Then I started building the top coat with minwax satin finish
poly.
End result, it worked quite well. There was no sanding damage to the
dye stain which normally occurs. There was less pitting of the
grain filler. The grain maintained the dark black color with the
rest becoming a dark chestnut brown.
In summary; Conventional wisdom is to fill the grain after the dye
stain. I liked filling before hand, cause there is less problems
with not accidentally sanding through the dye stain.
Can anyone think of a reason why I should not go this route.?
Pat
Hi Pat,
I have nothing for you, but you have just given a lot to me.
This is one reason I love the Wreck.
Thanks!
Lou
In article <[email protected]>, SawDust
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I made up a sample last night using a slightly different finishing
> technique. "Backwards from the normal routine". Just wondering if
> anyone thinks there will be a problem.
>
> The finish for the red oak cabinet I have been playing with, is
> essentially a water based dye stain, grain filling, and glazing with
> an oil based gel stain, prior to top coating. Normal routine is
> grain filling after the dye stain.
>
> Last night, I took a piece of red oak, raised the grain, sanded it
> down to prepare it. Then I filled the grain.
>
> The grain filler I use is a thick water based paste. It can be
> diluted but I don't find dilution to be of value. I tint the filler
> with a black water based artists color. I applied it with a putty
> knife and scraping the excess off the surface. I let it dry over
> night.
>
> This morning, I sanded it with 320 emery cloth and brought it down to
> a clean surface with a good fill.
>
> Then I applied the dye stain. Let it dry. Then put the gel stain to
> it. I didn't seal between any of the steps which I would normally
> do. Then I started building the top coat with minwax satin finish
> poly.
>
> End result, it worked quite well. There was no sanding damage to the
> dye stain which normally occurs. There was less pitting of the
> grain filler. The grain maintained the dark black color with the
> rest becoming a dark chestnut brown.
>
> In summary; Conventional wisdom is to fill the grain after the dye
> stain. I liked filling before hand, cause there is less problems
> with not accidentally sanding through the dye stain.
>
> Can anyone think of a reason why I should not go this route.?
>
> Pat
>
>
Hi Lou,
Your welcome. Wood's expensive enough without ending up with a
finish you don't like. Experimentation is cheaper than refinishing
or replacing the wood used.
Pat
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:34:13 -0500, loutent <[email protected]> wrote:
>Hi Pat,
>
>I have nothing for you, but you have just given a lot to me.
>
>This is one reason I love the Wreck.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Lou
>
>In article <[email protected]>, SawDust
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I made up a sample last night using a slightly different finishing
>> technique. "Backwards from the normal routine". Just wondering if
>> anyone thinks there will be a problem.
>>
>> The finish for the red oak cabinet I have been playing with, is
>> essentially a water based dye stain, grain filling, and glazing with
>> an oil based gel stain, prior to top coating. Normal routine is
>> grain filling after the dye stain.
>>
>> Last night, I took a piece of red oak, raised the grain, sanded it
>> down to prepare it. Then I filled the grain.
>>
>> The grain filler I use is a thick water based paste. It can be
>> diluted but I don't find dilution to be of value. I tint the filler
>> with a black water based artists color. I applied it with a putty
>> knife and scraping the excess off the surface. I let it dry over
>> night.
>>
>> This morning, I sanded it with 320 emery cloth and brought it down to
>> a clean surface with a good fill.
>>
>> Then I applied the dye stain. Let it dry. Then put the gel stain to
>> it. I didn't seal between any of the steps which I would normally
>> do. Then I started building the top coat with minwax satin finish
>> poly.
>>
>> End result, it worked quite well. There was no sanding damage to the
>> dye stain which normally occurs. There was less pitting of the
>> grain filler. The grain maintained the dark black color with the
>> rest becoming a dark chestnut brown.
>>
>> In summary; Conventional wisdom is to fill the grain after the dye
>> stain. I liked filling before hand, cause there is less problems
>> with not accidentally sanding through the dye stain.
>>
>> Can anyone think of a reason why I should not go this route.?
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:46:45 -0500, SawDust <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Conventional wisdom is to fill the grain after the dye
>stain.
I'm not a dyer or stainer as a general finish (ammonia is about my
limit) but I'd _always_ fill before staining. I can't imagine doing
it the other way round, unless it was for a deliberate contrast.
Hi Andy,
There is a deliberate contrast to pop the grain. But since the
filler is tinted "black", I don't loose the grain, since the finish
color is lighter.
If I didn't tint the filler, the grain would end up the same color as
the rest of the finish and disappear.
Pat
On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 01:49:20 +0000, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:46:45 -0500, SawDust <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>> Conventional wisdom is to fill the grain after the dye
>>stain.
>
>I'm not a dyer or stainer as a general finish (ammonia is about my
>limit) but I'd _always_ fill before staining. I can't imagine doing
>it the other way round, unless it was for a deliberate contrast.
On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 01:49:20 +0000, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:46:45 -0500, SawDust <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>> Conventional wisdom is to fill the grain after the dye
>>stain.
>
>I'm not a dyer or stainer as a general finish (ammonia is about my
>limit) but I'd _always_ fill before staining. I can't imagine doing
>it the other way round, unless it was for a deliberate contrast.
unless the grain filler is transparent acrylic....