On 24 June, 16:32, "Alexander Thesoso" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> The shape of the pins (conical, blunted tip, parallel diagonal flats on
> corresponding sides) is cause for some thought.
Indeed. As the measuring axis is axial, the flat surfaces are the
important ones. This is a tool for grooves, not holes, and it's
grooves with angled walls.
As another poster has suggested, this probably means thread pitch
measurement.
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> On 2010-06-24, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Posting from Rec.crafts.metalworking as always.
>
> 1963) (hmm ... what was I doing in 1963? :-)
>
> Anyway -- I believe this to be a test gauge for verifying the
> center-to-center spacing of either small holes or center-drilled
> shaft ends.
>
> The conical pieces go into the holes, and the pointer at the
> flat end shows how much over or under size it is.
>
> The end conical piece is rigid, but he center one can move back
> and forth in a slot.
>
> The flats on the sides of the conical pieces allows the center
> distance (with a correction added in) to be measured with a
> micrometer or a snap gauge.
>
> It looks as though it can be re-zeroed for different center
> distances by adjusting the knurled collar to read zero with the
> proper size snap gauge in place.
>
> It looks to be capable of displaying up to 0.006" over or
> undersized from zero.
>
> What is the full maker's name on the indicator part? It does
> not look like one which I know -- but it also looks like a very
> old one.
>
> 1964) Strange thing.
>
> From this angle, it looks like one of two things
>
> 1) Cover to prevent access to a fire hydrant. Two screws
> on the left hand side to open it -- with perhaps two
> more on the other side -- or a hinge.
>
> 2) Possibly a cover over a large valve, with the black top
> disc acting as the valve handle.
>
> 1965) If it were not for the sold wedge holding in the metal piece, I
> would think that it might be a very narrow plane for grooving
> a wood workpiece.
>
> 1966) Do the metal rods (which I expect to be actually hollow tubes)
> have a thread on the far end similar tot he one on the near end
> of the bent funnel object?
>
> If so, I would think that it is designed to feed oil or some
> other liquid into something which is otherwise hard to reach.
> You screw together as many tubes as needed together, with the
> plastic one being the last to slide into a hole on the side of
> the machine.
>
> A rather nice carrying case on it, however -- which makes it
> sort of look like a medical accessory.
>
> 1967) At a guess -- metal covers for the ends of wood parts to
> prevent them from splitting on impact -- as from someone driving
> them into the ground
>
> The spikes on the inside of the caps would attach them firmly to
> the end of the wood, and the rim would be a nice fit on the wood
> OD.
>
> 1968) Looks like a rough wood shape being built up prior to decorative
> turning of something like a table lamp. Normally, I would
> expect more different colors of wood, but perhaps these woods
> take stains differently.
>
> Now to see what other have suggested.
>
> Enjoy,
> DoN.
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Seems Bicknell-Thomas made clutches.
http://books.google.com/books?id=AaMvAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA168&lpg=RA1-PA168&dq=bicknell-thomas+co&source=bl&ots=YfwcdaTjk_&sig=Y_VFq2gLsSRLVQzhs6SCwJ_2q0o&hl=en&ei=YbYkTJfdLoG0lQeB5cyqBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CDkQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=bicknell-thomas%20co&f=false
Could it be some kind of gauge or tool for clutch making.
On 24 June, 10:46, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
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#1963 Measuring gauge, to a pre-set dimension. The two tapered pins
locate in holes / grooves on the test piece that should be a known
distance apart, at which point the scale on the end reads 0. Any
discrepancy and the scale shows it.
#1965 Maybe a coachmaker's, cooper's or wheelwright's shave. Can't
tell too easily without seeing the business end, which is underneath.
It might even be a chairmaker's travisher. It's a long-handled router
plane, a relative of the spokeshave, used for woodworking. A chisel
edge on the opposite end of that metal tooth shaves the bottom surface
of a groove. Many of these are highly specialised tools made for a
single task, and a particular worker might use a large number of them,
but intermittently.
#1967 Herbal cannabis grinder. It's the Summer festival season, these
things turned in nice timbers can be good sellers for woodturners (use
bamboo kebab skewers for the pins).
#1968 Some funny Yankee sporting goods. A rounders bat, basketball
club, that sort of thing.
On 25 June, 03:47, "DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album11/pic1965a.jpg
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Actually -- it does. =A0I was wondering where the shaving=
s went
> with the solid plug there, and this shows a path.
Looks like a scraper, more than a chisel edge, so the shavings will be
minimal anyway and won't need much space to clear them.
As it's a scraper, this is probably for end grain or cross grain
working. Nearest I've seen to this thing before has been tools for
inlaying marquetry bandings. The groove is cleared initially with a
chisel-like router plane, this end-on scraper is then used to form the
groove exactly to size.
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> Rob
1963 a special clockmakers depthing tool for mass produced clocks.
Steve. R.
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>>
>> 1966
>>
>> Could it possibly be used by the water company for locating leaks? I've
>> seen them lifting a cover in the road and putting a rod down and placing
>> an ear to the other end. The plastic section could be to avoid any chance
>> of electrocution.
>
>
> That's an interesting suggestion, I'll ask the person who sent the photo
> to see what they can find out about where this thing came from and who
> used to own it.
>
Looking at the picture, it is one of the metal rods that doesn't have a
thread. If I'm right about the electrocution bit, I guess you'd want the
plastic section above ground and below the bit you are holding.
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1966
Could it possibly be used by the water company for locating leaks? I've seen
them lifting a cover in the road and putting a rod down and placing an ear
to the other end. The plastic section could be to avoid any chance of
electrocution.
1968 (step one in the making of a) Bowling pin?
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In article <[email protected]>, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
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For most of these, I'm completely baffled, without even a guess.
But I *KNOW* what #1968 is -- it's a bowling pin.
> #1965 Maybe a coachmaker's, cooper's or wheelwright's shave. Can't
> tell too easily without seeing the business end, which is underneath.
> It might even be a chairmaker's travisher. It's a long-handled router
> plane, a relative of the spokeshave, used for woodworking. A chisel
> edge on the opposite end of that metal tooth shaves the bottom surface
> of a groove. Many of these are highly specialised tools made for a
> single task, and a particular worker might use a large number of them,
> but intermittently.
There was one more photo of this tool but I don't think it will tell us very
much:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album11/pic1965a.jpg
1963 I agree that this looks like a gauge, to check that the distance
between two points is within some limit, but...
The shape of the pins (conical, blunted tip, parallel diagonal flats on
corresponding sides) is cause for some thought. They seem designed to give
bad measurements if used for common subject points. To measure the distance
between two planes, they should be spheres. To measure the distance between
two round holes, they should be cylinders. The pin-shape seems to be
designed for a very special measurement.
Seth Thomas was primarily known for making clocks, but I'm hard pressed to
think of parts of a clock that are
about 1.5 inches apart that would be gauged. Perhaps this is used for
set-up of some machine tool?
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> On 24 June, 10:46, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> #1963 Measuring gauge, to a pre-set dimension. The two tapered pins
> locate in holes / grooves on the test piece that should be a known
> distance apart, at which point the scale on the end reads 0. Any
> discrepancy and the scale shows it.
>
> #1965 Maybe a coachmaker's, cooper's or wheelwright's shave. Can't
> tell too easily without seeing the business end, which is underneath.
> It might even be a chairmaker's travisher. It's a long-handled router
> plane, a relative of the spokeshave, used for woodworking. A chisel
> edge on the opposite end of that metal tooth shaves the bottom surface
> of a groove. Many of these are highly specialised tools made for a
> single task, and a particular worker might use a large number of them,
> but intermittently.
>
> #1967 Herbal cannabis grinder. It's the Summer festival season, these
> things turned in nice timbers can be good sellers for woodturners (use
> bamboo kebab skewers for the pins).
>
> #1968 Some funny Yankee sporting goods. A rounders bat, basketball
> club, that sort of thing.
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> 1963 I agree that this looks like a gauge, to check that the distance
> between two points is within some limit, but...
> The shape of the pins (conical, blunted tip, parallel diagonal flats on
> corresponding sides) is cause for some thought. They seem designed to
> give bad measurements if used for common subject points. To measure the
> distance between two planes, they should be spheres. To measure the
> distance between two round holes, they should be cylinders. The pin-shape
> seems to be designed for a very special measurement.
> Seth Thomas was primarily known for making clocks, but I'm hard pressed to
> think of parts of a clock that are
> about 1.5 inches apart that would be gauged. Perhaps this is used for
> set-up of some machine tool?
The point on the end is stationary, the other point can be moved within the
quarter inch slot, when it's centered in the slot the points are exactly one
inch apart.
Rob
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> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>> Rob
>
> 1964.... Cover for a fire hydrant. WW
Correct!
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>> 1964.... Cover for a fire hydrant. WW
>
>
> Correct!
Are you sure? Looks more like a sub-species of Dalek.
http://www.fmft.net/archives/deleks/daleks2.jpg
DoN. Nichols wrote:
> On 2010-06-24, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>> The latest set of items has been posted:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Posting from Rec.crafts.metalworking as always.
>
> 1963) (hmm ... what was I doing in 1963? :-)
>
> Anyway -- I believe this to be a test gauge for verifying the
> center-to-center spacing of either small holes or center-drilled
> shaft ends.
>
> The conical pieces go into the holes, and the pointer at the
> flat end shows how much over or under size it is.
>
> The end conical piece is rigid, but he center one can move back
> and forth in a slot.
>
> The flats on the sides of the conical pieces allows the center
> distance (with a correction added in) to be measured with a
> micrometer or a snap gauge.
>
> It looks as though it can be re-zeroed for different center
> distances by adjusting the knurled collar to read zero with the
> proper size snap gauge in place.
>
> It looks to be capable of displaying up to 0.006" over or
> undersized from zero.
>
> What is the full maker's name on the indicator part? It does
> not look like one which I know -- but it also looks like a very
> old one.
>
The name of the village, Greenville MA, is intriguing. It's a dam
erected on a mill stream in 1724 for a saw mill, then a grist mill. In
the 19th Century it began producing scythes, and that supported a
charcoal industry. Then, through much of the 19th and into the 20th
Century, it sold machine knives worldwide as the Stiles and later Hankey
Machine Knife Manufactory. The stream was inadequate, so they built an
aqueduct several miles long about the time of the Civil War. If a
machinist in Greenville produced a measuring device, was it to make
machine knives?
Greenville was one of several manufacturing villages in Leicester, which
in the 19th Century had a population of about 2,000, mostly farmers.
From 1780 to 1890, Leicester produced a third of the textile cards in
America. Several tanneries and a wire mill sprang up to supply the card
mills.
Shuttles, bobbins, heddles, and heddle frames were also produced. If
the device was not to manufacture machine knives, could it have been
useful for making cards, shuttles, bobbins, heddles, or heddle frames?
> 1966) Do the metal rods (which I expect to be actually hollow tubes)
> have a thread on the far end similar tot he one on the near end
> of the bent funnel object?
>
> If so, I would think that it is designed to feed oil or some
> other liquid into something which is otherwise hard to reach.
> You screw together as many tubes as needed together, with the
> plastic one being the last to slide into a hole on the side of
> the machine.
>
> A rather nice carrying case on it, however -- which makes it
> sort of look like a medical accessory.
I think you're right about the tubes being threaded on the far end. This
photo was sent from Australia, the person who sent it to me does not own the
item but was just sent the photo by someone else.
The rest of them have been answered correctly this week:
http://55tools.blogspot.com/2010/06/set-342.html#answers
Rob
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
>
> 1966
>
> Could it possibly be used by the water company for locating leaks? I've
> seen them lifting a cover in the road and putting a rod down and placing
> an ear to the other end. The plastic section could be to avoid any chance
> of electrocution.
That's an interesting suggestion, I'll ask the person who sent the photo to
see what they can find out about where this thing came from and who used to
own it.
Rob
> Looking at the picture, it is one of the metal rods that doesn't have a
> thread. If I'm right about the electrocution bit, I guess you'd want the
> plastic section above ground and below the bit you are holding.
I just got some further information on it, the person who sent the photo
said "...but I have been told that the rods are definitely solid & so is the
bell shaped end."
1963 Scope adjuster tool for a M-34 Howitzer, about 1951 vintage.
1964 Transfer box, for mailmen. One man drops off the full bag of
mail, the next guy delivers it by foot. This is the back side of the
box.
1965. Best guess, some kind of draw knife?
1966. A very nicely made whatever it is. My first guess is a candle
snuffer, but I'm likely mistaken. My second guess was an offset
anemometer vane, counter balanced by two without vanes. I'm sure the
real answer (when it is posted) will really astound me.
1967 are probably containers for poured three-wick candles.
1968 No clue.
I noticed I missed the curiosity phase (Wed adn Thu). But, the above
are my best and honest guesses.
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>> Looking at the picture, it is one of the metal rods that
>> doesn't have a thread. If I'm right about the
>> electrocution bit, I guess you'd want the plastic section
>> above ground and below the bit you are holding.
>
>
> I just got some further information on it, the person who
> sent the photo said "...but I have been told that the rods
> are definitely solid & so is the bell shaped end."
>
>
1966...... Solid rods? Then perhaps it is a mechanics
stethoscope?
phil
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> 1968 (step one in the making of a) Bowling pin?
>
>
I reckon you are right:
http://www.bowling2u.com/trivia/pins/making_pins.asp
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>Rob
1966: A barbed wire tensioning device.
-Zz
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1964.... Cover for a fire hydrant. WW
On 2010-06-24, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
> The latest set of items has been posted:
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> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
Posting from Rec.crafts.metalworking as always.
1963) (hmm ... what was I doing in 1963? :-)
Anyway -- I believe this to be a test gauge for verifying the
center-to-center spacing of either small holes or center-drilled
shaft ends.
The conical pieces go into the holes, and the pointer at the
flat end shows how much over or under size it is.
The end conical piece is rigid, but he center one can move back
and forth in a slot.
The flats on the sides of the conical pieces allows the center
distance (with a correction added in) to be measured with a
micrometer or a snap gauge.
It looks as though it can be re-zeroed for different center
distances by adjusting the knurled collar to read zero with the
proper size snap gauge in place.
It looks to be capable of displaying up to 0.006" over or
undersized from zero.
What is the full maker's name on the indicator part? It does
not look like one which I know -- but it also looks like a very
old one.
1964) Strange thing.
From this angle, it looks like one of two things
1) Cover to prevent access to a fire hydrant. Two screws
on the left hand side to open it -- with perhaps two
more on the other side -- or a hinge.
2) Possibly a cover over a large valve, with the black top
disc acting as the valve handle.
1965) If it were not for the sold wedge holding in the metal piece, I
would think that it might be a very narrow plane for grooving
a wood workpiece.
1966) Do the metal rods (which I expect to be actually hollow tubes)
have a thread on the far end similar tot he one on the near end
of the bent funnel object?
If so, I would think that it is designed to feed oil or some
other liquid into something which is otherwise hard to reach.
You screw together as many tubes as needed together, with the
plastic one being the last to slide into a hole on the side of
the machine.
A rather nice carrying case on it, however -- which makes it
sort of look like a medical accessory.
1967) At a guess -- metal covers for the ends of wood parts to
prevent them from splitting on impact -- as from someone driving
them into the ground
The spikes on the inside of the caps would attach them firmly to
the end of the wood, and the rim would be a nice fit on the wood
OD.
1968) Looks like a rough wood shape being built up prior to decorative
turning of something like a table lamp. Normally, I would
expect more different colors of wood, but perhaps these woods
take stains differently.
Now to see what other have suggested.
Enjoy,
DoN.
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On 2010-06-24, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>> #1965 Maybe a coachmaker's, cooper's or wheelwright's shave. Can't
>> tell too easily without seeing the business end, which is underneath.
>> It might even be a chairmaker's travisher. It's a long-handled router
>> plane, a relative of the spokeshave, used for woodworking. A chisel
>> edge on the opposite end of that metal tooth shaves the bottom surface
>> of a groove. Many of these are highly specialised tools made for a
>> single task, and a particular worker might use a large number of them,
>> but intermittently.
>
>
> There was one more photo of this tool but I don't think it will tell us very
> much:
>
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album11/pic1965a.jpg
Actually -- it does. I was wondering where the shavings went
with the solid plug there, and this shows a path.
Enjoy,
DoN.
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On 2010-06-25, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Looking at the picture, it is one of the metal rods that doesn't have a
>> thread. If I'm right about the electrocution bit, I guess you'd want the
>> plastic section above ground and below the bit you are holding.
>
>
> I just got some further information on it, the person who sent the photo
> said "...but I have been told that the rods are definitely solid & so is the
> bell shaped end."
Interesting. That makes it much more of a puzzle.
Perhaps one of the weird "medical" devices from the early 1900s?
Enjoy,
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