I just got the Lee Valley Low Angle smoothing plane, and LOVE it.
Very easy to use out of the box, and very sharp. Now I have to get a
few more blades so I change change angles to work with different
hardwoods.
I also have Steve Knight, Lie Nielsen planes, Japanese, Stanley, etc planes.
I have several planes that I'd like to improve and maintain the edge.
I have some old waterstones, including the King S-1 and Gold (8000 grit)
I've heard a lot about the Shapton stones. Steve Knight's comments
about the Professional series (as he uses them a lot) is valuable.
Now they have the new Ceramic on Tempered Glass stones.
Are the Shapton better than the older waterstones, like the King?
Are the Glass stones better that the Professional?
Any wearability issues?
The Glass Stones are said to work better with Japanese and A2 steel blades.
I also heard that the Glass do not cup/warp as much as the Professional.
They are cheaper, and may not last as long as the Professional.
Steve - have you tried the Glass stones? I'd really like to get your opinion.
As an aside, I am also looking for a way to store my planes - perhaps
build a box. Trouble is, I have a mish-mash of varieties.
ROY! <[email protected]> writes:
> >I've been reading this as well. As I read it, the sideways grooves
> >would be a problem if you skipped grits. But when Brent shows a photo
> >with the micro-bevels, he used different angles to show the affects of
> >the each successive bevel, and each grit erased the grooves of the
> >previous grit. So if you grind with a 200 grit wheel front to back,
> >and hone with a 1000 side to side - it might be a problem. So don't do
> >that.
>
> I'm not understanding why this would be a problem. What am I missing?
The same as going from 200 grit sandpaper, to 1000 grit.
You can't remove the big scratches with ultra fine sandpaper.
If you did side grinding with 200 grit, and then tried to hone at
1000, there may be a big groove parallel to the edge, that might break off.
ROY! <[email protected]> writes:
> On Thu, 08 May 2008 09:05:01 -0700, Larry Blanchard
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 08 May 2008 15:46:14 +0000, ROY! wrote:
> >
> >> That side to side method, is it the Harrelson Stanley method?
> >> I see that he has a jig and video on that.
> >> Do you use his side to side sharpening jig?
> >
> >I had heard that the sideways grooves left by sharpening sideways would
> >weaken the edge and cause it to break off sooner. Has that been disproven
> >or is it still a consideration?
>
> Larry, have a look here:
> http://www3.telus.net/BrentBeach/Sharpen/sidesharpen.html
I've been reading this as well. As I read it, the sideways grooves
would be a problem if you skipped grits. But when Brent shows a photo
with the micro-bevels, he used different angles to show the affects of
the each successive bevel, and each grit erased the grooves of the
previous grit. So if you grind with a 200 grit wheel front to back,
and hone with a 1000 side to side - it might be a problem. So don't do
that.
The other thing I noted was that in the free Harrelson Stanley video,
(not the one you buy), after honing on a stone, he removes the burr on
the back side with a quick swipe before he moves on to the next grit.
I think that would prevent a big honkin' burr from dangling off the
edge and cracking off,
As for the jig, the Brent page describes a great and cheap little jig
that I plan to make. As he says, you can make 6 in the same amount of
time as you can make 1. And each costs a buck or so.
And his jig outperforms the $150 Harrelson Stanley, according to his
tests. And I like how he has slips so you can do microbevels.
The page is excellent, and those who want a sharpening system that is
economical and high quality whould check it out. It combines scary
sharp with jigs.
I'm still thinking of getting a set of the GlassStones, however. I
like that you can get a set in 500, 1000, 2000, 4000, 8000, 15000 so
that each stone uses grit 1/2 the size of the previous stone.
Brent's system uses 15 micron (600 grit), 5 micron (1200 grit) and 0.5
or 0.3 micron (2000-8000 grit)
I'll have to experiment and see if microbevels work better than just
grinding the entire surface. If it takes a minute or less in either
case, what's the difference?
In other words, with Brent's jig, you put a thin piece of wood (0.06
inches for the first micro-bevel, and 0.10 inches for the second).
This will speed up the sharpening as less metal is removed, but how much?
On Thu, 08 May 2008 09:05:01 -0700, Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 08 May 2008 15:46:14 +0000, ROY! wrote:
>
>> That side to side method, is it the Harrelson Stanley method?
>> I see that he has a jig and video on that.
>> Do you use his side to side sharpening jig?
>
>I had heard that the sideways grooves left by sharpening sideways would
>weaken the edge and cause it to break off sooner. Has that been disproven
>or is it still a consideration?
Larry, have a look here:
http://www3.telus.net/BrentBeach/Sharpen/sidesharpen.html
On Wed, 07 May 2008 21:18:34 -0400, tiredofspam <nospam.nospam.com>
wrote:
>I have both the Shapton and King. I can't tell the diff for the grits I
>have that are the same. That said, your mileage may vary. I did learn
>the most from watching the guys selling the Shapton's at the shows. I
>hand sharpen everything because they showed me an easier way. And I
>don't gouge my stones like I used to when I went forward and back. Side
>to side is real easy. Because of their teaching... I felt obliged to buy
>some stones. They are good, but do I see the difference... No.. they
>both sharpen well.
>
That side to side method, is it the Harrelson Stanley method?
I see that he has a jig and video on that.
Do you use his side to side sharpening jig?
On 09 May 2008 21:12:35 -0400, Maxwell Lol <[email protected]> wrote:
>ROY! <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> >I've been reading this as well. As I read it, the sideways grooves
>> >would be a problem if you skipped grits. But when Brent shows a photo
>> >with the micro-bevels, he used different angles to show the affects of
>> >the each successive bevel, and each grit erased the grooves of the
>> >previous grit. So if you grind with a 200 grit wheel front to back,
>> >and hone with a 1000 side to side - it might be a problem. So don't do
>> >that.
>>
>> I'm not understanding why this would be a problem. What am I missing?
>
>The same as going from 200 grit sandpaper, to 1000 grit.
>You can't remove the big scratches with ultra fine sandpaper.
>
>If you did side grinding with 200 grit, and then tried to hone at
>1000, there may be a big groove parallel to the edge, that might break off.
Thanks for the clarification.
My brain was headed down a different path.
I have both the Shapton and King. I can't tell the diff for the grits I
have that are the same. That said, your mileage may vary. I did learn
the most from watching the guys selling the Shapton's at the shows. I
hand sharpen everything because they showed me an easier way. And I
don't gouge my stones like I used to when I went forward and back. Side
to side is real easy. Because of their teaching... I felt obliged to buy
some stones. They are good, but do I see the difference... No.. they
both sharpen well.
Maxwell Lol wrote:
> I just got the Lee Valley Low Angle smoothing plane, and LOVE it.
> Very easy to use out of the box, and very sharp. Now I have to get a
> few more blades so I change change angles to work with different
> hardwoods.
>
> I also have Steve Knight, Lie Nielsen planes, Japanese, Stanley, etc planes.
>
> I have several planes that I'd like to improve and maintain the edge.
>
> I have some old waterstones, including the King S-1 and Gold (8000 grit)
> I've heard a lot about the Shapton stones. Steve Knight's comments
> about the Professional series (as he uses them a lot) is valuable.
>
> Now they have the new Ceramic on Tempered Glass stones.
>
> Are the Shapton better than the older waterstones, like the King?
> Are the Glass stones better that the Professional?
> Any wearability issues?
>
> The Glass Stones are said to work better with Japanese and A2 steel blades.
>
> I also heard that the Glass do not cup/warp as much as the Professional.
> They are cheaper, and may not last as long as the Professional.
>
> Steve - have you tried the Glass stones? I'd really like to get your opinion.
>
> As an aside, I am also looking for a way to store my planes - perhaps
> build a box. Trouble is, I have a mish-mash of varieties.
>
>
>
>
>
On Thu, 08 May 2008 15:46:14 +0000, ROY! wrote:
> That side to side method, is it the Harrelson Stanley method?
> I see that he has a jig and video on that.
> Do you use his side to side sharpening jig?
I had heard that the sideways grooves left by sharpening sideways would
weaken the edge and cause it to break off sooner. Has that been disproven
or is it still a consideration?
tiredofspam <nospam.nospam.com> wrote:
> And I don't gouge my stones like I used to when I went forward and
> back. Side to side is real easy.
I had the same issues with gouging and then somewhere along the
line I found doing it side-to-side stopped with the gouging and was
just easier. I also find it's easier to locate and hold the bevel
to the stone doing it side-to-side as well.
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On 09 May 2008 07:34:11 -0400, Maxwell Lol <[email protected]> wrote:
>ROY! <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> On Thu, 08 May 2008 09:05:01 -0700, Larry Blanchard
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thu, 08 May 2008 15:46:14 +0000, ROY! wrote:
>> >
>> >> That side to side method, is it the Harrelson Stanley method?
>> >> I see that he has a jig and video on that.
>> >> Do you use his side to side sharpening jig?
>> >
>> >I had heard that the sideways grooves left by sharpening sideways would
>> >weaken the edge and cause it to break off sooner. Has that been disproven
>> >or is it still a consideration?
>>
>> Larry, have a look here:
>> http://www3.telus.net/BrentBeach/Sharpen/sidesharpen.html
>
>I've been reading this as well. As I read it, the sideways grooves
>would be a problem if you skipped grits. But when Brent shows a photo
>with the micro-bevels, he used different angles to show the affects of
>the each successive bevel, and each grit erased the grooves of the
>previous grit. So if you grind with a 200 grit wheel front to back,
>and hone with a 1000 side to side - it might be a problem. So don't do
>that.
I'm not understanding why this would be a problem. What am I missing?
Big honkin' burrs? Yeah!