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Thomas Mitchell

26/07/2003 10:05 AM

Air Brush

It's been several years since I've owned an air brush, the type for fine
detail work on models, etc. I want to purchase one to see how well it
will paint the train cars I'm making and the doll houses my wife thinks
I'm making. I currently have a 25 gal compressor which I hope to use
with the gun.

The previous air brush that I owned was a Sears or craftsman. What are
the better brands in this day and age? Can some airbushes only handle
certain types of paint? I'll likely be using latex and other types of
finishes.

Google, here I come.


This topic has 20 replies

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 26/07/2003 10:05 AM

27/07/2003 3:45 AM

On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:00:22 -0400, Thomas Mitchell <[email protected]>
pixelated:

>I've read a lot of pages about the badger line and it seems like a good
>make. Can't find dittly on reviews of airbrushes though. I'll likely get
>the 150 from badger.

Have you asked over on the alt.airbrush.art newsgroup? You'll
probably find guys with a dozen extra guns you can pick up for
(comparatively) dirt cheap.


>Here's the next question. With the fine detail work I might be doing,
>what size tip would I need? Anything wrong in getting all three? :)

Additional tips would be very handy.

More sources:
https://www.airbrushaction.com/index2.html How-To's, workshops
http://www.airbrushartmagazine.com
http://www.howtoairbrush.com/gary.htm


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Thomas Mitchell

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 26/07/2003 10:05 AM

26/07/2003 3:00 PM

I've read a lot of pages about the badger line and it seems like a good
make. Can't find dittly on reviews of airbrushes though. I'll likely get
the 150 from badger.

Here's the next question. With the fine detail work I might be doing,
what size tip would I need? Anything wrong in getting all three? :)

Ernie Jurick wrote:
> "Bruce C." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:_MxUa.133934$GL4.34874@rwcrnsc53...
>
>>I have a Badger 150 (I think) (dual action, internal mix) that has served
>
> me
>
>>well for about 15 years. I have used a wide variety of paints and inks
>>through it. Two paints gave me troubles - ones with high solids like the
>>pearlized laquers and model enamels. The solids clogged the tip and
>
> required
>
>>frequent cleaning and the enamels were difficult to clean off the
>
> airbrush.
>
>>The model enamels that I used were the ones in the small squarish bottles
>>not the modern ones that are formulated for airbrushes.
>
>
> I second the motion. My Badger 150 is 20 years old and still good as new.
> Not sure it can spray latex, though.
> -- Ernie
>
>

TM

Thomas Mitchell

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 26/07/2003 10:05 AM

27/07/2003 11:38 AM

DUH! For some reason I looked up models for newsgroups and didn't think
to look up airbrush! Thanks. I'll post the same over there.

Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:00:22 -0400, Thomas Mitchell <[email protected]>
> pixelated:
>
>
>>I've read a lot of pages about the badger line and it seems like a good
>>make. Can't find dittly on reviews of airbrushes though. I'll likely get
>>the 150 from badger.
>
>
> Have you asked over on the alt.airbrush.art newsgroup? You'll
> probably find guys with a dozen extra guns you can pick up for
> (comparatively) dirt cheap.
>
>
>
>>Here's the next question. With the fine detail work I might be doing,
>>what size tip would I need? Anything wrong in getting all three? :)
>
>
> Additional tips would be very handy.
>
> More sources:
> https://www.airbrushaction.com/index2.html How-To's, workshops
> http://www.airbrushartmagazine.com
> http://www.howtoairbrush.com/gary.htm
>
>
> -----
> = Dain Bramaged...but having lots of fun! =
> http://www.diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development

BA

Bay Area Dave

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 26/07/2003 10:05 AM

31/07/2003 10:31 PM

and we never landed on the moon?

dave

Ernie Jurick wrote:

> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > WELL hidden. Give 'em a little more time, Larry. Or why not fly to
> > Baghdad airport tomorrow and help our troop with the search?
> >
>
> There's a rumor that they're finally in place and will be discovered in
> September.
> -- Ernie
>
> > > snip
> > > Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?
> >

WW

"Woody"

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 26/07/2003 10:05 AM

27/07/2003 12:14 AM

Badger, Paasche are good brands, although there are other good ones around
as well.
That can handle most paints as long as they are thinned down a bit.


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"Thomas Mitchell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> It's been several years since I've owned an air brush, the type for fine
> detail work on models, etc. I want to purchase one to see how well it
> will paint the train cars I'm making and the doll houses my wife thinks
> I'm making. I currently have a 25 gal compressor which I hope to use
> with the gun.
>
> The previous air brush that I owned was a Sears or craftsman. What are
> the better brands in this day and age? Can some airbushes only handle
> certain types of paint? I'll likely be using latex and other types of
> finishes.
>
> Google, here I come.
>

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 26/07/2003 10:05 AM

27/07/2003 7:14 PM

On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:38:31 -0400, Thomas Mitchell <[email protected]>
pixelated:

>DUH! For some reason I looked up models for newsgroups and didn't think
>to look up airbrush! Thanks. I'll post the same over there.

Jewelcome.

-C-less "JOAT-for-the-day" Jake.


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"Rebecca Dodge"

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 26/07/2003 10:05 AM

28/07/2003 4:13 AM

Go to www.badger-airbrush.com and click on garage sale. They have a slew of
leftovers from an order change in mid production from the Revell company;
the airbrush is front end badger 150 and back end vega 2000. I own one. It's
$30 NEW.

But,,,,, being as I know a thing or two about airbushes.(I airbrush for a
living)..... I like vegas. They're nice, they're light, thin, and not too
pricey. If your personal preference is for a badger 150, go for the garage
sale airbrush. It paints the same.

And......for the next time you let paint dry inside the brush: soak it in
lacquer thinner overnight and then clean it. I got a couple used brushes on
ebay that had that problem. Lacquer thinner took care of it for me.

In addition......good airbrush info places:

www.airbrushonline.com
www.westcoastairbrush.com
www.dixieart.com (store with cheap prices)

- Becky

"Larry Jaques" <jake@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:38:31 -0400, Thomas Mitchell <[email protected]>
> pixelated:
>
> >DUH! For some reason I looked up models for newsgroups and didn't think
> >to look up airbrush! Thanks. I'll post the same over there.
>
> Jewelcome.
>
> -C-less "JOAT-for-the-day" Jake.
>
>
> -----
> = Dain Bramaged...but having lots of fun! =
> http://www.diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development

RD

"Rebecca Dodge"

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 26/07/2003 10:05 AM

29/07/2003 9:54 PM

hmmmm...........

Well, here's the website...

http://www.badger-airbrush.com/garagesale.htm

maybe it will work.......? Just tryin to help.

- Becky

"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> > >Go to www.badger-airbrush.com and click on garage sale. They have a
slew of
> > >leftovers from an order change in mid production from the Revell
company;
> > >the airbrush is front end badger 150 and back end vega 2000. I own one.
It's
> > >$30 NEW.
> > >
> >
> > I tried that, but the page is not written in standard HTML. It
> > requires JavaScript, Active-X and something called shockwaveflash,
> > whatever that is. I saw a reference to the garage sale in the source,
> > but no URL linked to it that I could paste into the browser.
> >
> >
> I had the same problem. I sent an email to the webmaster suggesting at
> least a site map for the rest of us. Perhaps if more did the same?
>
> --
> Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?


Sd

Silvan

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 26/07/2003 10:05 AM

29/07/2003 8:45 PM

Ernie Jurick wrote:

>> manner of solvents to no avail.
>
> If you do it again, take the barrel and related parts to a jewelry store.
> They have ultrasonic tanks that will have it clean as a whistle in 20
> minutes.

I wonder if that would work, or whether it would still work after all this
time (couple of years)... I still have the thing somewhere. Just 'cause
it's ruined beyond hope doesn't mean I ever actually throw anything *away*.
:)

Nice thought. Can't hurt to try.

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"Ernie Jurick"

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 26/07/2003 10:05 AM

26/07/2003 6:37 PM


"Bruce C." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:_MxUa.133934$GL4.34874@rwcrnsc53...
> I have a Badger 150 (I think) (dual action, internal mix) that has served
me
> well for about 15 years. I have used a wide variety of paints and inks
> through it. Two paints gave me troubles - ones with high solids like the
> pearlized laquers and model enamels. The solids clogged the tip and
required
> frequent cleaning and the enamels were difficult to clean off the
airbrush.
> The model enamels that I used were the ones in the small squarish bottles
> not the modern ones that are formulated for airbrushes.

I second the motion. My Badger 150 is 20 years old and still good as new.
Not sure it can spray latex, though.
-- Ernie

CS

"Charlie Spitzer"

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 26/07/2003 10:05 AM

28/07/2003 11:44 AM

i have an aztek i got off ebay. if you hurry and have a michaels craft store
near you, they're discontinuing the top of the line aztek for $60. list is
around $160.

regards,
charlie
cave creek, az

"charlieb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Woody wrote:
> >
> > Badger, Paasche are good brands, although there are other good ones
around
> > as well.
> > That can handle most paints as long as they are thinned down a bit.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
>
> He might also look into Iwata - they make all metal air brushes that
> T-shirt airbrushers like because a) they're easy to clean (immerse and
> blow out - others with plastic can dissolve) or for really fine
> stuff - the Aztek.
>
> As noted - you will have to thin your paint to use in almost all
> small airbrushes.
>
> charlie b

CS

"Charlie Spitzer"

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 26/07/2003 10:05 AM

28/07/2003 1:45 PM

depends on what you're going to shoot. i use mine for spraying glass
enamels, powdered mica, etc. the paasche doesn't work as well as the aztek
4709, which is also a double action rather than single.

also, the aztek is made by testors. comes with a lifetime (your's, not the
gun's) guarantee. if it ever doesn't work, they rebuild it for free.

regards,
charlie
cave creek, az

"Thomas Mitchell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Interesting... we do have a Michael's up the street. Still undecided
> which brand to go with. The a.a.art group suggested Paasche I think. I
> can at least go look at the aztek and maybe the other brands at Michaels.
>
> Charlie Spitzer wrote:
> > i have an aztek i got off ebay. if you hurry and have a michaels craft
store
> > near you, they're discontinuing the top of the line aztek for $60. list
is
> > around $160.
> >
> > regards,
> > charlie
> > cave creek, az
> >
> > "charlieb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>Woody wrote:
> >>
> >>>Badger, Paasche are good brands, although there are other good ones
> >>
> > around
> >
> >>>as well.
> >>>That can handle most paints as long as they are thinned down a bit.
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Regards,
> >>>
> >>
> >> He might also look into Iwata - they make all metal air brushes that
> >> T-shirt airbrushers like because a) they're easy to clean (immerse and
> >> blow out - others with plastic can dissolve) or for really fine
> >> stuff - the Aztek.
> >>
> >> As noted - you will have to thin your paint to use in almost all
> >> small airbrushes.
> >>
> >> charlie b
> >
> >
> >
>

LB

Larry Blanchard

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 26/07/2003 10:05 AM

31/07/2003 10:26 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> hmmmm...........
>
> Well, here's the website...
>
> http://www.badger-airbrush.com/garagesale.htm
>
> maybe it will work.......? Just tryin to help.
>
Yes it did - thanks. Sure are a lot of "sold out" signs :-).

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

Sd

Silvan

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 26/07/2003 10:05 AM

27/07/2003 2:18 AM

Ernie Jurick wrote:

> I second the motion. My Badger 150 is 20 years old and still good as new.
> Not sure it can spray latex, though.

I third it. Badger makes a good, simple airbrush.

I killed my 150 though. I screwed up and let paint dry in it. I tried all
manner of solvents to no avail.

I found that for what *I* use an airbrush for (as a miniature spray gun for
shooting one solid color onto train models), a cheap, simple external mix
was the way to go, so I bought one of those (also a Badger.) In truth,
it's been sitting in the box ever since. I never tried it out. I bought
it at right about the time I realized that my around-the-room layout was
never going to get built while I still had expensive children in the house,
so I packed it up along with all my other high-dollar dongles, to be
dragged out some day when I have money to burn.

Model railroading is an *expensive* hobby.

Anyway, someone else suggested Iwata. I have one of those too, and it's a
good airbrush. I find it rather too delicate for my fumble-fingered hands.
The needle is extremely fine, and very easy to bend. The air fitting on
the thing is some weird size too, and I don't currently have a compressor
that can drive it. Having used both though, I definitely preferred the
Badger. Not as elegant, but tougher.


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"Ernie Jurick"

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 26/07/2003 10:05 AM

31/07/2003 9:57 PM


"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> WELL hidden. Give 'em a little more time, Larry. Or why not fly to
> Baghdad airport tomorrow and help our troop with the search?
>

There's a rumor that they're finally in place and will be discovered in
September.
-- Ernie

> > snip
> > Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?
>

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 26/07/2003 10:05 AM

27/07/2003 7:19 PM

On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 18:23:24 GMT, "Ernie Jurick" <[email protected]>
pixelated:

>Be wary of used airbrushes, though. Larry is right in that there are lots
>available second-hand. But it can be very frustrating not knowing whether
>the brush is not working properly or if your technique is at fault. With a
>new one you can generally be sure that it's working properly, and you have
>recourse to a replacement if it's defective. And the manufacturer will tell
>you up front whether it's appropriate for latex or other media.

If you're buying a used gun, the owner should have some medium
you can spray through it or they can easily show you that it
will work with the medium you want if you take some of it along
with you for the "buy".

As always, buy smart by thinking it out ahead of time and asking
the right questions. "Learn about the item and skill you wish to
pursue before you buy." is a good principle.


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Bob McConnell

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 26/07/2003 10:05 AM

29/07/2003 1:05 AM

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 04:13:54 GMT, "Rebecca Dodge"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Go to www.badger-airbrush.com and click on garage sale. They have a slew of
>leftovers from an order change in mid production from the Revell company;
>the airbrush is front end badger 150 and back end vega 2000. I own one. It's
>$30 NEW.
>

I tried that, but the page is not written in standard HTML. It
requires JavaScript, Active-X and something called shockwaveflash,
whatever that is. I saw a reference to the garage sale in the source,
but no URL linked to it that I could paste into the browser.

All in all, it's a useless page. Apparently they don't need any of my
business.

Bob McConnell
N2SPP

EJ

"Ernie Jurick"

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 26/07/2003 10:05 AM

26/07/2003 8:46 PM


"Thomas Mitchell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've read a lot of pages about the badger line and it seems like a good
> make. Can't find dittly on reviews of airbrushes though. I'll likely get
> the 150 from badger.
>
> Here's the next question. With the fine detail work I might be doing,
> what size tip would I need? Anything wrong in getting all three? :)

Try this group. They have a huge number of airbrush-related topics. I think
you'll have to register, but you might want to anyway since this is right up
your alley.
http://www.finescale.com/fsm/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3712
-- Ernie

BB

Bob Bowles

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 26/07/2003 10:05 AM

26/07/2003 8:55 AM

Have you looked at Critter?

On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:05:38 -0400, Thomas Mitchell <[email protected]>
wrote:

>It's been several years since I've owned an air brush, the type for fine
>detail work on models, etc.

EJ

"Ernie Jurick"

in reply to Thomas Mitchell on 26/07/2003 10:05 AM

27/07/2003 6:23 PM


"Thomas Mitchell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> DUH! For some reason I looked up models for newsgroups and didn't think
> to look up airbrush! Thanks. I'll post the same over there.

Be wary of used airbrushes, though. Larry is right in that there are lots
available second-hand. But it can be very frustrating not knowing whether
the brush is not working properly or if your technique is at fault. With a
new one you can generally be sure that it's working properly, and you have
recourse to a replacement if it's defective. And the manufacturer will tell
you up front whether it's appropriate for latex or other media.
-- Ernie


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