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FrozenNorth

28/05/2010 2:37 PM

I am closing my eyes

Neighbour next door has a small portable table saw, blade cranked all
the way up. He is plunging pieces of branches from a tree into the
blade from above. *yikes*

I don't want to get hit with flying body parts.
--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.


This topic has 40 replies

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DerbyDad03

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 8:52 PM

On May 28, 6:50=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 28 May 2010 15:52:35 -0400, "John Grossbohlin"
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >"FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> Neighbour next door has a small portable table saw, blade cranked all =
the
> >> way up. =A0He is plunging pieces of branches from a tree into the blad=
e from
> >> above. =A0*yikes*
>
> >> I don't want to get hit with flying body parts.
>
> >He must have heard such use was worth about a million and a half...
>
> >John
>
> Not if I'm on the jury...
>
> Nor would the McDonald's coffee idiot have been awarded. =A0I consider
> that one close to a Darwin award - that level of stupid is a terminal
> condition...
>
> John

Have you ever read the facts regarding the Liebeck v McDonald's case?

I'm not saying she wasn't an idiot - in fact she was found partially
at fault - but if you Google the incident, you''ll find that Micky D's
had settled over 700 coffee-burn related incidents prior to the
Liebeck case and admitted being aware that their coffee was kept at a
temperature that could cause (and had caused) 3rd degree burns in a
matter of seconds.

You'll also find that Liebeck tried to settle the case for $20K to
cover her medical bills but Micky D's refused - offering her $800 -
even though they had previously settled coffee burn cases for close to
$500K. That's the only reason she brought the suit: They had
previously settled cases for huge sums yet refused coverage for her
$20K in medical bills.

The widely quoted punitive damage award of $2.7MM (2-day's coffee
revenue ) was eventually reduced to less than $500K, even though the
judge (not the jury) called McDonald=92s conduct reckless, callous, and
willful.

As I stated earlier, you have to be a idiot to open a hot cup of
coffee while holding the cup between your legs, but you gotta love
Mickey's reason for not turning down the temperature: 700 incidents in
10 years is equivalent to about 1 in 24 million cups, which is
"basically trivially different from zero." In other words, according
to McDonalds, those 700 people basically didn't exist.

bR

[email protected] (Robert Bonomi)

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

29/05/2010 2:38 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 29 May 2010 00:17:02 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
><[email protected]> wrote the following:
>
>>
>>"FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> Neighbour next door has a small portable table saw, blade cranked all the
>>> way up. He is plunging pieces of branches from a tree into the blade from
>>> above. *yikes*
>>>
>>> I don't want to get hit with flying body parts.
>>> --
>>
>>This is what he needs.
>>http://www.americanartifacts.com/smma/dragsaw/ds29.gif
>
>Yeah! Surely nobody ever got hurt on one of those.
>
>Say, can I sell you a square-cutter-headed jointer?


I want!!! I'll put it next to the square-hole drill.


LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 3:33 PM


"FrozenNorth" wrote:

> I'd comment to them, except they barely speak english.
> Hell I'd even loan them my Dewalt corded reciprocating saw, seems
> like a safer choice.
-------------------------------------
Think I'd at least try.

If they end up hurting themselves and you don't make the
effort...............

Lew
.


LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 3:50 PM

"FrozenNorth" wrote:

> It has gotten worse, they are beyond hope.
> Ripping 1x4 PT into approx 1x1, one guy in front of the saw feeding,
> one guy behind who starts pulling the wood through the blade.
> They are attempting to pinch some wood lathe at the top sections of
> a fence.
------------------------------
I'd still try, but that's me.

Lew




LM

"Lee Michaels"

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 7:49 PM


"FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Neighbour next door has a small portable table saw, blade cranked all the
> way up. He is plunging pieces of branches from a tree into the blade from
> above. *yikes*
>
Sounds like an old Red Green skit.

He threw peices of wood at that saw and they bounced off the spinning saw
blade. It made me cringe. It made a metallic ringing sound each time the
wood bounced too. It gave me the heebie jeebies.


LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 5:55 PM


"FrozenNorth" wrote:
> This is Canada, not the USA, but I don't need to get accused of
> handing him a different weapon, and lord knows I ain't doing the
> work for them.
-------------------------------
Would you be willing to show them a better way?

Lew


LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 6:15 PM

"FrozenNorth" wrote:

> Communications barrier as I said earlier, also, I do not own my own
> table saw
> although I have used them before, I am not an expert and would not
> feel qualified to teach someone else on proper technique.
>
> I can however, recognize something really stupid.
-------------------------

Thought you said you had a DeWalt Sawzall?

Lew
















LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 7:12 PM

"FrozenNorth" wrote:

> Oh, sorry, thought you were talking about the table saw.
> They were finished with the limbs by then, actually about by the
> time I noticed what was happening. Sawzall is obviously the wrong
> tool for ripping strips like mentioned above. Table saw is, but
> .... as I said I am not qualified for that lesson.

---------------------------------------
What's that old saying about taking care of fools?

Sounds like they escaped possible serious injury.

No harm, no foul.

Lew

Sounds like they had


LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 9:40 PM


"Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
> This is what he needs.
> http://www.americanartifacts.com/smma/dragsaw/ds29.gif

----------------------------------
Reminds me of the saw attachment my uncle built for his 1938 John
Deere tractor.

Only saw it a couple of times but even as a kid, it gave me the
shivers.

Lew


Uu

Upscale

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 7:04 PM

On Fri, 28 May 2010 18:50:03 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>Nor would the McDonald's coffee idiot have been awarded. I consider
>that one close to a Darwin award - that level of stupid is a terminal
>condition...

Oh to live in the USA. I've got a burn on my arm that I got by
reaching up and tipping a cup of coffee off a table. I was only a year
old at the time. But, from the all the ridiculous law suits I hear
about in the USA, I probably could have sued and have lived on easy
street the rest of my life.

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 10:36 PM

On Sat, 29 May 2010 00:17:02 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:

>
>"FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Neighbour next door has a small portable table saw, blade cranked all the
>> way up. He is plunging pieces of branches from a tree into the blade from
>> above. *yikes*
>>
>> I don't want to get hit with flying body parts.
>> --
>
>This is what he needs.
>http://www.americanartifacts.com/smma/dragsaw/ds29.gif

Yeah! Surely nobody ever got hurt on one of those.

Say, can I sell you a square-cutter-headed jointer?

---------------------------------------------------
I drive way too fast to worry about my cholesterol.
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aJ

[email protected] (Jerry - OHIO)

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 6:48 PM

Growing up in the 50's & 60's with a coal furnice .It was amazing I
never lost fingers using the saw my mom & I used for cutting kindling
wood., It was an arbor on two pillow block mounted under an old peice of
table top. I remember one day driving my dad's Model A tractor out of
the shed and into the garage and running over the saw. After that I had
to use one of those one man cross cut saws that was taller than me. I
was age seven. Now that I am in my 60's I've clipped both thumbs on my
table saw ,And it has a gard on it.
Oh to be seven again.
Jerry


http://community.webtv.net/awoodbutcher/MyWoodWorkingPage



http://community.webtv.net/awoodbutcher/1974RuppCentair

jj

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 12:10 PM


> ..... =A0He is plunging pieces of branches from a tree into the
> blade from above. =A0*yikes*
>
> I don't want to get hit with flying body parts.

"Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is
the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there
is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block
of the universe."

- Frank Zappa

Mm

Markem

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 3:02 PM

On Fri, 28 May 2010 14:37:38 -0400, FrozenNorth
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Neighbour next door has a small portable table saw, blade cranked all
>the way up. He is plunging pieces of branches from a tree into the
>blade from above. *yikes*
>
>I don't want to get hit with flying body parts.

Gee so does mine, guess lack of common sense is universal and
international? So far he has all his parts though.

Mark

JJ

"Josepi"

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 8:09 PM

Don't forget that 12 jurors, unanomously awarded the woman the 2-3 million
dollar damages and sufferance award. People ridicule the amazing outcome but
know very little of the situation.

McDonald's old cups were made from a rigid styrofoamlike materia. The lid
made the barrel shaped cup, very firm and solid until you pulled hard to tug
the tight lid off. At this point the cup would collapse and your firm grip
would extrude the contents into the air, like a squeezed Heinz Ketchup
packette. I had one explode on me inside their restaurant and stain the
ceiling, years ago. I would think this construction may have been partially
responsible for the award.


BTW: I understand a few years later a follow up court rolled back the award
to a few hundred thousand$$.


"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Oh to live in the USA. I've got a burn on my arm that I got by
reaching up and tipping a cup of coffee off a table. I was only a year
old at the time. But, from the all the ridiculous law suits I hear
about in the USA, I probably could have sued and have lived on easy
street the rest of my life.


On Fri, 28 May 2010 18:50:03 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>Nor would the McDonald's coffee idiot have been awarded. I consider
>that one close to a Darwin award - that level of stupid is a terminal
>condition...


JJ

"Josepi"

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 6:10 PM

If you take videos, then you get hauled in and sued for not showing the
diligence due, by giving them sufficient verbal warnings of safety hazards
you have observed. Your video would prove you were aware a hazard existed
and did nothing.

When you did go over to warn them and they told you to piss off, you would
be guilty of not stopping them with a baseball bat, demonstrating the
diligence due to stop them with "whatever means necessary".

If no accident occurs you may be guilty of assault with a baseball bat
(American style).

I think you were out of town when it happened...weren't you?


This thread will self destruct in 5 seconds.....



"RonB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:d8808457-9673-4653-befd-c6bdb950c9d2@v37g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
If he ultimately cuts a body part off, he will probably hire a lawyer
who will sue the saw manufacturer.

Inadequate warnings in the manual regarding chopping up tree limbs,
and limb guard was defective

RonB


On May 28, 1:37 pm, FrozenNorth <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Neighbour next door has a small portable table saw, blade cranked all
> the way up. He is plunging pieces of branches from a tree into the
> blade from above. *yikes*
>
> I don't want to get hit with flying body parts.
> --
> Froz...
>
> The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.


MM

"Mike Marlow"

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

29/05/2010 9:43 AM

Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
>> This is what he needs.
>> http://www.americanartifacts.com/smma/dragsaw/ds29.gif
>
> ----------------------------------
> Reminds me of the saw attachment my uncle built for his 1938 John
> Deere tractor.
>
> Only saw it a couple of times but even as a kid, it gave me the
> shivers.
>
> Lew

As a kid growing up on a farm, those were commonplace. Never thought much
about them then. You knew you had to be careful working with them, but
that's just the way it was.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

EP

"Ed Pawlowski"

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

29/05/2010 12:17 AM


"FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Neighbour next door has a small portable table saw, blade cranked all the
> way up. He is plunging pieces of branches from a tree into the blade from
> above. *yikes*
>
> I don't want to get hit with flying body parts.
> --

This is what he needs.
http://www.americanartifacts.com/smma/dragsaw/ds29.gif

bR

[email protected] (Robert Bonomi)

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 3:20 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
FrozenNorth <[email protected]> wrote:
>Neighbour next door has a small portable table saw, blade cranked all
>the way up. He is plunging pieces of branches from a tree into the
>blade from above. *yikes*

I wonder if the sawstop folks suggested that approach. <*evil* grin>

JJ

"Josepi"

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 4:16 PM

Maybe he has the meat protector installed.



"FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Neighbour next door has a small portable table saw, blade cranked all
the way up. He is plunging pieces of branches from a tree into the
blade from above. *yikes*

I don't want to get hit with flying body parts.
--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

JG

"John Grossbohlin"

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 3:52 PM


"FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Neighbour next door has a small portable table saw, blade cranked all the
> way up. He is plunging pieces of branches from a tree into the blade from
> above. *yikes*
>
> I don't want to get hit with flying body parts.

He must have heard such use was worth about a million and a half...

John

MM

"Mike Marlow"

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

29/05/2010 9:44 AM

Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Sat, 29 May 2010 00:17:02 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>
>>
>> "FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Neighbour next door has a small portable table saw, blade cranked
>>> all the way up. He is plunging pieces of branches from a tree into
>>> the blade from above. *yikes*
>>>
>>> I don't want to get hit with flying body parts.
>>> --
>>
>> This is what he needs.
>> http://www.americanartifacts.com/smma/dragsaw/ds29.gif
>
> Yeah! Surely nobody ever got hurt on one of those.
>

Yeah, but surprisingly - less than you might think. People had a different
sense of awareness then.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

kk

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 6:36 PM

On Fri, 28 May 2010 15:33:32 -0700, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"FrozenNorth" wrote:
>
>> I'd comment to them, except they barely speak english.
>> Hell I'd even loan them my Dewalt corded reciprocating saw, seems
>> like a safer choice.
>-------------------------------------
>Think I'd at least try.
>
>If they end up hurting themselves and you don't make the
>effort...............

...and if you loan them the reciprocating saw and they get hurt...

Rr

RonB

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 2:46 PM

On May 28, 1:37=A0pm, FrozenNorth <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Neighbour next door has a small portable table saw, blade cranked all
> the way up. =A0He is plunging pieces of branches from a tree into the
> blade from above. =A0*yikes*
>
> I don't want to get hit with flying body parts.
> --
> Froz...
>
> The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

If he ultimately cuts a body part off, he will probably hire a lawyer
who will sue the saw manufacturer.

Inadequate warnings in the manual regarding chopping up tree limbs,
and limb guard was defective

RonB

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

29/05/2010 5:38 PM

On Sat, 29 May 2010 09:44:37 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:

>Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 May 2010 00:17:02 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
>> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>
>>>
>>> "FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Neighbour next door has a small portable table saw, blade cranked
>>>> all the way up. He is plunging pieces of branches from a tree into
>>>> the blade from above. *yikes*
>>>>
>>>> I don't want to get hit with flying body parts.
>>>> --
>>>
>>> This is what he needs.
>>> http://www.americanartifacts.com/smma/dragsaw/ds29.gif
>>
>> Yeah! Surely nobody ever got hurt on one of those.
>>
>
>Yeah, but surprisingly - less than you might think. People had a different
>sense of awareness then.

They had a whole lot less ADD back then, too. You paid attention to
whatever single thing was in front of you, and that was just fine.

---------------------------------------------------
I drive way too fast to worry about my cholesterol.
---------------------------------------------------

Ff

FrozenNorth

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 4:16 PM

On 5/28/10 3:52 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
> "FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Neighbour next door has a small portable table saw, blade cranked all
>> the way up. He is plunging pieces of branches from a tree into the
>> blade from above. *yikes*
>>
>> I don't want to get hit with flying body parts.
>
> He must have heard such use was worth about a million and a half...
>
I'd comment to them, except they barely speak english.
Hell I'd even loan them my Dewalt corded reciprocating saw, seems like a
safer choice. They have a Cordless B&D Firestorm POS recip, they seem
to have stopped using when the table saw came out.

My windows are open, I am sitting inside cringing every time I hear the
table saw fire up.
--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

Ab

"Artemus"

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 1:19 PM

How about taking some videos? They may be worth some $$ to
the saw manufacturer should said idiot sue for defective design or
some BS like that. At the least they would be quite interesting to
watch via youtube.
Art

"FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Neighbour next door has a small portable table saw, blade cranked all
> the way up. He is plunging pieces of branches from a tree into the
> blade from above. *yikes*
>
> I don't want to get hit with flying body parts.
> --
> Froz...
>
>
> The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 3:37 PM

On 5/28/10 2:52 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
> "FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Neighbour next door has a small portable table saw, blade cranked all
>> the way up. He is plunging pieces of branches from a tree into the
>> blade from above. *yikes*
>>
>> I don't want to get hit with flying body parts.
>
> He must have heard such use was worth about a million and a half...
>
> John

That was my initial thought.
Why don't the manufacturers put a bark detector on those things?
Irresponsible bastards.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

Ff

FrozenNorth

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 6:45 PM

On 5/28/10 6:33 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "FrozenNorth" wrote:
>
>> I'd comment to them, except they barely speak english.
>> Hell I'd even loan them my Dewalt corded reciprocating saw, seems
>> like a safer choice.
> -------------------------------------
> Think I'd at least try.
>
> If they end up hurting themselves and you don't make the
> effort...............
>
It has gotten worse, they are beyond hope.
Ripping 1x4 PT into approx 1x1, one guy in front of the saw feeding, one
guy behind who starts pulling the wood through the blade.
They are attempting to pinch some wood lathe at the top sections of a fence.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

Ff

FrozenNorth

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 7:57 PM

On 5/28/10 7:36 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 28 May 2010 15:33:32 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "FrozenNorth" wrote:
>>
>>> I'd comment to them, except they barely speak english.
>>> Hell I'd even loan them my Dewalt corded reciprocating saw, seems
>>> like a safer choice.
>> -------------------------------------
>> Think I'd at least try.
>>
>> If they end up hurting themselves and you don't make the
>> effort...............
>
> ...and if you loan them the reciprocating saw and they get hurt...

eggsactly
;-)

This is Canada, not the USA, but I don't need to get accused of handing
him a different weapon, and lord knows I ain't doing the work for them.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

Ff

FrozenNorth

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 9:07 PM

On 5/28/10 8:55 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "FrozenNorth" wrote:
>> This is Canada, not the USA, but I don't need to get accused of
>> handing him a different weapon, and lord knows I ain't doing the
>> work for them.
> -------------------------------
> Would you be willing to show them a better way?
>
Communications barrier as I said earlier, also, I do not own my own
table saw
although I have used them before, I am not an expert and would not feel
qualified to teach someone else on proper technique.

I can however, recognize something really stupid.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

Ff

FrozenNorth

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 9:21 PM

On 5/28/10 9:15 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "FrozenNorth" wrote:
>
>> Communications barrier as I said earlier, also, I do not own my own
>> table saw
>> although I have used them before, I am not an expert and would not
>> feel qualified to teach someone else on proper technique.
>>
>> I can however, recognize something really stupid.
> -------------------------
>
> Thought you said you had a DeWalt Sawzall?
>
Oh, sorry, thought you were talking about the table saw.
They were finished with the limbs by then, actually about by the time I
noticed what was happening. Sawzall is obviously the wrong tool for
ripping strips like mentioned above. Table saw is, but .... as I said I
am not qualified for that lesson.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

lL

[email protected] (Larry W)

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

29/05/2010 3:17 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
FrozenNorth <[email protected]> wrote:
<...snipped...>
>I don't want to get hit with flying body parts.
>--
>Froz...
<...sniped...>

It's really not so bad as long as they're all still attached...



--
When the game is over, the pawn and the king are returned to the same box.

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar.org

JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

29/05/2010 8:53 AM

On 5/29/2010 12:40 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
>> This is what he needs.
>> http://www.americanartifacts.com/smma/dragsaw/ds29.gif
>
> ----------------------------------
> Reminds me of the saw attachment my uncle built for his 1938 John
> Deere tractor.
>
> Only saw it a couple of times but even as a kid, it gave me the
> shivers.

I know what you mean. My Dad had one of those that was an attachment
for his Simplicity.
<http://www.simpletractors.com/simplicity/new_in_1957/attachments_page_1.htm>



KN

Keith Nuttle

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

29/05/2010 10:05 AM

On 5/29/2010 9:44 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 May 2010 00:17:02 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
>> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>
>>>
>>> "FrozenNorth"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Neighbour next door has a small portable table saw, blade cranked
>>>> all the way up. He is plunging pieces of branches from a tree into
>>>> the blade from above. *yikes*
>>>>
>>>> I don't want to get hit with flying body parts.
>>>> --
>>>
>>> This is what he needs.
>>> http://www.americanartifacts.com/smma/dragsaw/ds29.gif
>>
>> Yeah! Surely nobody ever got hurt on one of those.
>>
>
> Yeah, but surprisingly - less than you might think. People had a different
> sense of awareness then.
>
If you really want to get an idea of how safety perceptions change watch
the "1890's House" on PBS. It is a few years old now, but the big thing
I got out of it was the change in "What is safe". Many of the common
appliances of the 1890, did not pass the housing inspectors. One in
particular was a kitchen wood stove with a built in boiler for hot water
that the inspector "had kittens" over.

A simple act of making soap or apple butter would have given the child
Protective service people heart attacks. The practice was to get a
large pot (55 gallons?), put it in the yard and start cooking the
solution over an open wood fire under the pot. I had one ancestor who
burned to death when her long skirt got a little close to the fire. On
the other hand I have fond memories of going to my grandfather's
sister's house and helping make apple butter in the back yard. Yes we
participated, at that time kids were expected to pay their way with
their labors.

Another example is the car baby beds. How many people put their children
in them and how many deaths were attributed to them; compared to what
peoples today's perception of how dangerous they were.

If the safety perceptions of today were in place for the last 5
centuries we would still be living in Europe, with out any of the what
we consider "necessities"

LB

Larry Blanchard

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

29/05/2010 5:09 PM

On Fri, 28 May 2010 22:33:19 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

> DIVORCE AGREEMENT
>
> THIS IS SO INCREDIBLY WELL PUT AND I CAN HARDLY BELIEVE IT'S BY A YOUNG
> PERSON, A STUDENT!!! WHATEVER HE RUNS FOR, I'LL VOTE FOR HIM.

Oh no! Larry J. has found a soulmate :-).

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 8:39 PM

On Fri, 28 May 2010 15:37:54 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
wrote the following:

>On 5/28/10 2:52 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>
>> "FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Neighbour next door has a small portable table saw, blade cranked all
>>> the way up. He is plunging pieces of branches from a tree into the
>>> blade from above. *yikes*
>>>
>>> I don't want to get hit with flying body parts.
>>
>> He must have heard such use was worth about a million and a half...
>>
>> John
>
>That was my initial thought.
>Why don't the manufacturers put a bark detector on those things?
>Irresponsible bastards.

Hey, if it had a bark detector, he'd have to stop feeding stray
neighborhood dogs through it. <groan>

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Larry Jaques

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 10:33 PM

On Fri, 28 May 2010 20:52:59 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote the following:

>On May 28, 6:50 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 May 2010 15:52:35 -0400, "John Grossbohlin"
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >"FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> Neighbour next door has a small portable table saw, blade cranked all the
>> >> way up.  He is plunging pieces of branches from a tree into the blade from
>> >> above.  *yikes*
>>
>> >> I don't want to get hit with flying body parts.
>>
>> >He must have heard such use was worth about a million and a half...
>>
>> >John
>>
>> Not if I'm on the jury...
>>
>> Nor would the McDonald's coffee idiot have been awarded.  I consider
>> that one close to a Darwin award - that level of stupid is a terminal
>> condition...
>>
>> John
>
>Have you ever read the facts regarding the Liebeck v McDonald's case?
>
>I'm not saying she wasn't an idiot - in fact she was found partially
>at fault - but if you Google the incident, you''ll find that Micky D's
>had settled over 700 coffee-burn related incidents prior to the
>Liebeck case and admitted being aware that their coffee was kept at a
>temperature that could cause (and had caused) 3rd degree burns in a
>matter of seconds.

And coffee kept at the mfgr's specified temp, 20 degrees lower, only
gives second degree burns in a matter of seconds. IOW, hot coffee
will hurt you. BE CAREFUL with it.


>You'll also find that Liebeck tried to settle the case for $20K to
>cover her medical bills but Micky D's refused - offering her $800 -
>even though they had previously settled coffee burn cases for close to
>$500K. That's the only reason she brought the suit: They had
>previously settled cases for huge sums yet refused coverage for her
>$20K in medical bills.

I take the hard line with this one. Anyone dumb enough to sit still
while their lap's on fire (instead of dancing around, ripping clothes
off and blowing on it, which immediately cools it) doesn't deserve
their bills to be paid.


>The widely quoted punitive damage award of $2.7MM (2-day's coffee
>revenue ) was eventually reduced to less than $500K, even though the
>judge (not the jury) called McDonald’s conduct reckless, callous, and
>willful.

Not according to 19.8 million drive-thru coffee lovers.


>As I stated earlier, you have to be a idiot to open a hot cup of
>coffee while holding the cup between your legs, but you gotta love
>Mickey's reason for not turning down the temperature: 700 incidents in
>10 years is equivalent to about 1 in 24 million cups, which is
>"basically trivially different from zero." In other words, according
>to McDonalds, those 700 people basically didn't exist.

More people complained about cold coffee than they did about burns. MD
kept it hot because 90% of the drive-thru orders were people driving
to work and they wanted hot coffee when they got there. This was back
before microwaves at work were standard, but it still holds true.

BUT, Why should 700 Darwin Attemptees be counted, anyway?

Q: Have you ever burned your tongue on hot coffee from any place other
than MD's? Do you consider your lap to contain less sensitive organs?

OK, rant #2 hit my email earlier today:

--snip--
In God We Trust!!!

DIVORCE AGREEMENT

THIS IS SO INCREDIBLY WELL PUT AND I CAN HARDLY BELIEVE IT'S BY A
YOUNG PERSON, A STUDENT!!! WHATEVER HE RUNS FOR, I'LL VOTE FOR HIM.

Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists,
Marxists and Obama supporters, et al:

We have stuck together since the late 1950's for the sake of the kids,
but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that
I want a divorce.... I know we tolerated each other for many years for
the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has
clearly run its course.

Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on
what is right for us all, so let's just end it on friendly terms. We
can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own
way.

Here is a model separation agreement:

Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each
taking a similar portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am
sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it
should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can
effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct
and disparate tastes.

We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. You are
welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU. Since you hate guns and
war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military.
We'll take the nasty, smelly oil industry and you can go with wind,
solar and biodiesel. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie
O'Donnell (You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel
vehicle big enough to move all three of them).

We'll keep capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies,
Wal-Mart and Wall Street. You can have your beloved lifelong welfare
dwellers, food stamps, homeless, homeboys, hippies, druggies and
illegal aliens. We'll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO's
and rednecks.
We'll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood .

You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right
to invade and hammer places that threaten us. You can have the
peaceniks and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are
under assault, we'll help provide them security.

We'll keep our Judeo-Christian values.. You are welcome to Islam,
Scientology, Humanism, political correctness and Shirley McClain. You
can also have the U.N.. but we will no longer be paying the bill.

We'll keep the SUV's, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can
take every Subaru station wagon you can find.

You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing
doctors.
We'll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury and not a right.
We'll keep The Battle Hymn of the Republic and the National Anthem.
I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute Imagine, I'd Like to Teach the
World to Sing, Kum Ba Ya or We Are the World.

We'll practice trickle down economics and you can continue to give
trickle up poverty your best shot.
Since it often so offends you, we'll keep our history, our name and
our flag.

Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like
minded liberal and conservative patriots and if you do not agree, just
hit delete.
In the spirit of friendly parting, I'll bet you Answer which one of us
will need whose help in 15 years.

Sincerely,
John J. Wall
Law Student and an American
--snip--

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I drive way too fast to worry about my cholesterol.
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LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

29/05/2010 5:54 PM

On Sat, 29 May 2010 14:38:59 -0500, [email protected]
(Robert Bonomi) wrote the following:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Sat, 29 May 2010 00:17:02 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
>><[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>
>>>
>>>"FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> Neighbour next door has a small portable table saw, blade cranked all the
>>>> way up. He is plunging pieces of branches from a tree into the blade from
>>>> above. *yikes*
>>>>
>>>> I don't want to get hit with flying body parts.
>>>> --
>>>
>>>This is what he needs.
>>>http://www.americanartifacts.com/smma/dragsaw/ds29.gif
>>
>>Yeah! Surely nobody ever got hurt on one of those.
>>
>>Say, can I sell you a square-cutter-headed jointer?
>
>
>I want!!! I'll put it next to the square-hole drill.

Ackshully, Bob, they're real. But use a push stick, cuz if they get
ahold of the board and your hand is on it, it can eat 3/4 of your arm
before you've had a chance to realize it. They were real gapers.
http://www.owwm.com/photoindex/detail.aspx?id=6090

http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=103328 the warnings and
http://fwd4.me/QrG the ancient safety poster at the bottom of that
page. Oliver didn't pull any punches.

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n

in reply to FrozenNorth on 28/05/2010 2:37 PM

28/05/2010 6:50 PM

On Fri, 28 May 2010 15:52:35 -0400, "John Grossbohlin"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Neighbour next door has a small portable table saw, blade cranked all the
>> way up. He is plunging pieces of branches from a tree into the blade from
>> above. *yikes*
>>
>> I don't want to get hit with flying body parts.
>
>He must have heard such use was worth about a million and a half...
>
>John

Not if I'm on the jury...

Nor would the McDonald's coffee idiot have been awarded. I consider
that one close to a Darwin award - that level of stupid is a terminal
condition...

John


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