I'm ready to get a jointer now as the table top joiner I have been using is way
to smallfor most projects. Everyone tells me to try and get the 8" but the price
is really up there compared to 6" joiners. I'm now looking at the powermatic 6"
joiner with the long table. I'm not really committed to it but I do know a long
table is import for long boards. I have been only using the table top joiner to
prepare the edges for joining so I haven't seen the need to prepare the surface
of the boards yet. I'm open to spending more if I can convince myself the 8" is
more useful. I'm trying to buy the right equipment the first time and have been
very happy with my Delta unisaw so far. Thanks
It seems everyone talks about the 2" difference between the 6" and 8".
What seems to me to be more important is the horsepower of the motor,
the speed the cutterhead spins etc.
Also, is the hype associated with spiral cutterhead worth it? For the
same price of a powermatic 8" you can get a 8" Grizzly with spiral
head.
Any thoughts
Well I would like to thank everyone for pointing out some ideas or areas I
should consider. I have been using boards that have been surfaced already but I
know I need to be planning on using rough cut boards in the future. I don't have
a planner yet which is another reason I have been using surfaced boards. I'm
also looking at planners but feel I need to look beyond the table top one's I
have seen at Lowes. I'll continue to look into 8" joiners and see what options I
have without breaking the bank.
Keith <[email protected]> wrote:
>I'm ready to get a jointer now as the table top joiner I have been using is way
>to smallfor most projects. Everyone tells me to try and get the 8" but the price
>is really up there compared to 6" joiners. I'm now looking at the powermatic 6"
>joiner with the long table. I'm not really committed to it but I do know a long
>table is import for long boards. I have been only using the table top joiner to
>prepare the edges for joining so I haven't seen the need to prepare the surface
>of the boards yet. I'm open to spending more if I can convince myself the 8" is
>more useful. I'm trying to buy the right equipment the first time and have been
>very happy with my Delta unisaw so far. Thanks
You are right about the Grizzly 8"(G0500) joiner for $875. I had looked at the
Grizzly products before but never in person. I assume you have one Bob and like
it. The only joiner I have used that wasn't a table type was a HF 7" and I had
trouble getting a smooth edge. It was a friends so it may have not been setup
right.
"bob" <[email protected]> wrote:
>The Grizzly 8" jointer is only marginally more expensive than a 6" Jet or
>Powermatic. Got good reviews.
>
>
>"Keith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:1110037479.62869ff56897c4b6cb9044a04009dbd6@1usenet...
>> I'm ready to get a jointer now as the table top joiner I have been using
>> is way
>> to smallfor most projects. Everyone tells me to try and get the 8" but the
>> price
>> is really up there compared to 6" joiners. I'm now looking at the
>> powermatic 6"
>> joiner with the long table. I'm not really committed to it but I do know a
>> long
>> table is import for long boards. I have been only using the table top
>> joiner to
>> prepare the edges for joining so I haven't seen the need to prepare the
>> surface
>> of the boards yet. I'm open to spending more if I can convince myself the
>> 8" is
>> more useful. I'm trying to buy the right equipment the first time and have
>> been
>> very happy with my Delta unisaw so far. Thanks
>>
>
The grizzly G0500 looks like a nice 8" joiner with a good price. Are there any
other 8" joiners I should consider in that price range($900-1100). I don't care
if it's 110 or 220v.
I have also found some good wood suppliers within a couple of hours of my area
in western N.C. . Thanks again.
Keith <[email protected]> wrote:
>I'm ready to get a jointer now as the table top joiner I have been using is way
>to smallfor most projects. Everyone tells me to try and get the 8" but the price
>is really up there compared to 6" joiners. I'm now looking at the powermatic 6"
>joiner with the long table. I'm not really committed to it but I do know a long
>table is import for long boards. I have been only using the table top joiner to
>prepare the edges for joining so I haven't seen the need to prepare the surface
>of the boards yet. I'm open to spending more if I can convince myself the 8" is
>more useful. I'm trying to buy the right equipment the first time and have been
>very happy with my Delta unisaw so far. Thanks
In article <1110037479.62869ff56897c4b6cb9044a04009dbd6@1usenet>,
[email protected] says...
> I'm ready to get a jointer now as the table top joiner I have been using is way
> to smallfor most projects. Everyone tells me to try and get the 8" but the price
> is really up there compared to 6" joiners. I'm now looking at the powermatic 6"
> joiner with the long table. I'm not really committed to it but I do know a long
> table is import for long boards. I have been only using the table top joiner to
> prepare the edges for joining so I haven't seen the need to prepare the surface
> of the boards yet.
I find I resaw most wider boards to minimize the amount I have to remove
to get a flat face. My 6" (Jet) works fine, but a longer table would be
an improvement. I'd got for the Powermatic over the big bucks for an
8".
And I don't understand why you've only jointed edges. How do you
prepare a board for the planer?
--
Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Aside from that, most of the lumber I buy is 6-8" wide, which makes an
> 8" machine just about perfect for face jointing.
>
I just finished jointing/planing a bunch of rough 4/4 birch. 8" wide.
If I hadn't ripped them to 4" first, I'd have wound up with 1/4 by the
time I was done :-).
You must have access to better rough stock :-).
--
Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description
Keith wrote:
>
...
> .... I'm open to spending more if I can convince myself the 8" is
> more useful. I'm trying to buy the right equipment the first time and have been
> very happy with my Delta unisaw so far. Thanks
Width is somewhat less important the the length in general, but you'll
never regret the larger if you have room and budget...I predict as you
continue (assuming you do) you'll wonder how you got along w/o the 8"
and be pining for a 12 or 16...
I like the old-style Delta's and Powermatics--but, as you note there's a
price to be paid for the name.
"Keith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1110037479.62869ff56897c4b6cb9044a04009dbd6@1usenet...
> I'm ready to get a jointer now as the table top joiner I have been using
is way
> to smallfor most projects. Everyone tells me to try and get the 8" but the
price
> is really up there compared to 6" joiners. I'm now looking at the
powermatic 6"
> joiner with the long table. I'm not really committed to it but I do know a
long
> table is import for long boards. I have been only using the table top
joiner to
> prepare the edges for joining so I haven't seen the need to prepare the
surface
> of the boards yet. I'm open to spending more if I can convince myself the
8" is
> more useful. I'm trying to buy the right equipment the first time and have
been
> very happy with my Delta unisaw so far. Thanks
>
Got money? Spend it, don't try to justify the expense based on number of
8" boards which you can't fix by any number of other methods. Personally,
I'd rather have an iron planer with bed rollers and a serrated infeed so I
could get boards to feed with almost no downward pressure. Having had the
opportunity for both - 12" jointer at the university vs. the JET 6" I have
at home - I think the number of boards which will _need_ 8" diminishes to
nil with the addition of hand planes.
Technique is more important than long tables, BTW.
Tattooed and Dusty wrote:
>
> It seems everyone talks about the 2" difference between the 6" and 8".
No, what we were talking about was that the extra bed length associated
w/ the 8" machine is more significant than the width...although there
are times that's useful, too.
> What seems to me to be more important is the horsepower of the motor,
> the speed the cutterhead spins etc.
You can set the cutterhead speed as you wish. I've never seen a <good>
jointer come under-powered. Some of the really cheap Chinese/imports
<may> have a problem, but that class didn't seem to be in the mix
here...
> Also, is the hype associated with spiral cutterhead worth it? For the
> same price of a powermatic 8" you can get a 8" Grizzly with spiral
> head.
>
> Any thoughts
I've not had the opportunity to actually use a Grizzly so can't really
comment...the "spiral" head has some advantages but personally I'm not
missing not having one...
If I get a new larger planer, however, it most likely will have the
spiral head--there's where I think they have a real advantage.
George wrote:
>
> "Duane Bozarth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > George wrote:
> > ...
> > >
> > > Technique is more important than long tables, BTW.
> >
> > Up to a point...depends on what one is doing. I'm in "it's better to
> > have some excess capacity rather than not" camp...
>
> What percentage of the boards you join are > 8' long?
>
...
What Barry said... :)
George wrote:
>
> "Duane Bozarth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > George wrote:
> > ...
> > >
> > > Technique is more important than long tables, BTW.
> >
> > Up to a point...depends on what one is doing. I'm in "it's better to
> > have some excess capacity rather than not" camp...
>
> What percentage of the boards you join are > 8' long?
Actually, while for what I do a significant fraction are (or are 6/4 or
greater stock which is pretty heavy), even if only 1% were it would
still be well worth it....
Once I get things reorganized I'll go back to the search for an old 12
or 16 (or even 20 if I get lucky)....
Keith wrote:
...
> ...I'll continue to look into 8" joiners ...
Despite what some may say I'm confident you'll not regret the choice ...
You still won't regret the larger but if you do think that your usage
will be (and, more importantly, remain) smaller pieces, then there's
reason that a 6" will be wholly satisfactory (but I'd still go for the
long-bed variety). But, otoh, if you can't predict or don't know...
"Duane Bozarth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> George wrote:
> ...
> >
> > Technique is more important than long tables, BTW.
>
> Up to a point...depends on what one is doing. I'm in "it's better to
> have some excess capacity rather than not" camp...
What percentage of the boards you join are > 8' long?
Unless you're talking 8/4 by 10", that's a piece of cake on a standard 46"
long jointer. If you're careful, you can even do 'em on an old 4" Rockwell,
because the business is done within a foot either side of the cutters. The
rest is keeping the board in contact within that spread.
Of course I have my jointer lowered so that boards passing over my tablesaw
at the standard 34 1/2" pass over it, so I probably get more effective
control than folks holding above waist level. I'm of the "better to be
better than the tool camp."
The Grizzly 8" jointer is only marginally more expensive than a 6" Jet or
Powermatic. Got good reviews.
"Keith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1110037479.62869ff56897c4b6cb9044a04009dbd6@1usenet...
> I'm ready to get a jointer now as the table top joiner I have been using
> is way
> to smallfor most projects. Everyone tells me to try and get the 8" but the
> price
> is really up there compared to 6" joiners. I'm now looking at the
> powermatic 6"
> joiner with the long table. I'm not really committed to it but I do know a
> long
> table is import for long boards. I have been only using the table top
> joiner to
> prepare the edges for joining so I haven't seen the need to prepare the
> surface
> of the boards yet. I'm open to spending more if I can convince myself the
> 8" is
> more useful. I'm trying to buy the right equipment the first time and have
> been
> very happy with my Delta unisaw so far. Thanks
>
"Keith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1110037479.62869ff56897c4b6cb9044a04009dbd6@1usenet...
> I'm ready to get a jointer now as the table top joiner I have been using
> is way
> to smallfor most projects. Everyone tells me to try and get the 8" but the
> price
> is really up there compared to 6" joiners. I'm now looking at the
> powermatic 6"
> joiner with the long table. I'm not really committed to it but I do know a
> long
> table is import for long boards. I have been only using the table top
> joiner to
> prepare the edges for joining so I haven't seen the need to prepare the
> surface
> of the boards yet. I'm open to spending more if I can convince myself the
> 8" is
> more useful. I'm trying to buy the right equipment the first time and have
> been
> very happy with my Delta unisaw so far. Thanks
>
When I finally get one, it will be 6". I just have not been able to justify
larger. OTOH, if you have a riser block in your bandsaw, sometime resaw 7
or 8" material, you will be PO'd when you finally need that 8".
The reality is that we are not talking practicality, but we are doing mental
gymnastics. If you can justify the larger equipment, are able to pay for
it, and will be satisfied, go for it. The last thing you want to do is by a
$750 piece of equipment and know you should have gone the extra mile (or is
that dollar?)
If you have the money, the DJ-30 is nice too.
On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 10:55:05 -0500, Keith <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I'm ready to get a jointer now as the table top joiner I have been using is way
>to smallfor most projects. Everyone tells me to try and get the 8" but the price
>is really up there compared to 6" joiners. I'm now looking at the powermatic 6"
>joiner with the long table. I'm not really committed to it but I do know a long
>table is import for long boards. I have been only using the table top joiner to
>prepare the edges for joining so I haven't seen the need to prepare the surface
>of the boards yet. I'm open to spending more if I can convince myself the 8" is
>more useful. I'm trying to buy the right equipment the first time and have been
>very happy with my Delta unisaw so far. Thanks
======================================
I have owned AND used a Rockwell 6 in joiner for almost 40 years and I
can tell you that I have wished for a longer bed 100's of times wheras
I never needed (but could have used) an 8 in wide joiner on a few
occasions..
I work with rough cut lumber, and yes, I do have boards that are wider
then 6 inches many times...BUT any larger then 8 would require ripping
down to size anyway....I also prefer to glue up a tabletop with boards
between 4 and 5 inches wide...not 7-8 inches...
GIVE ME a LONGER BED...anyday...
That powermatic long bed jointer would be my choice IF I were 30 years
younger and just setting up shop...
Bob Griffiths
OK I'll give the counter point to most. I upgraded from a 6 to an 8. With an
8 to get *both* length and width and my yorkcraft 8 was $750 delivered (very
close in price to the long-bed powermatic)
If you don't face-joint boards then don't waste your time. If you use
rough-cut stock you *have to* face joint your stock (maybe with hand planes,
but that is still face jointing). I will assume that you purchase the vast
majority of your stock surfaced.
I use almost exclusively rough-cut stock. Rough stock (from my guy) comes in
random widths between 4 and 12 inches. Around half of the boards that I get
are in that 6-8 range, so yes, I do find the extra width useful often.
If you plan on continuing to use surfaced stock most of the time, don't
bother. With rough stock I think that it's an upgrade that you'll find
worthwhile.
-Steve
"Keith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1110037479.62869ff56897c4b6cb9044a04009dbd6@1usenet...
> I'm ready to get a jointer now as the table top joiner I have been using
is way
> to smallfor most projects. Everyone tells me to try and get the 8" but the
price
> is really up there compared to 6" joiners. I'm now looking at the
powermatic 6"
> joiner with the long table. I'm not really committed to it but I do know a
long
> table is import for long boards. I have been only using the table top
joiner to
> prepare the edges for joining so I haven't seen the need to prepare the
surface
> of the boards yet. I'm open to spending more if I can convince myself the
8" is
> more useful. I'm trying to buy the right equipment the first time and have
been
> very happy with my Delta unisaw so far. Thanks
>
"Keith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1110037479.62869ff56897c4b6cb9044a04009dbd6@1usenet...
> I'm ready to get a jointer now as the table top joiner I have been using
> is way
> to smallfor most projects. Everyone tells me to try and get the 8" but the
> price
> is really up there compared to 6" joiners. I'm now looking at the
> powermatic 6"
> joiner with the long table. I'm not really committed to it but I do know a
> long
> table is import for long boards. I have been only using the table top
> joiner to
> prepare the edges for joining so I haven't seen the need to prepare the
> surface
> of the boards yet. I'm open to spending more if I can convince myself the
> 8" is
> more useful. I'm trying to buy the right equipment the first time and have
> been
> very happy with my Delta unisaw so far. Thanks
>
Try to flatten and joint 8' x 6" rough cut board with bow in it and you will
have problems with a 6" jointer. Get yourself an 8" jointer and have it for
life with no regrets.
"Ba r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:57:57 -0500, "George" <george@least> wrote:
>
>
>>What percentage of the boards you join are > 8' long?
>
> For me, a lot! I do plenty of finish work were I'm installing
> hardwood baseboards, and tall bookcases. The bookcases require long,
> straight, face frame parts.
>
> Barry
Join? Not many Flatten? Often enough. Lets face it no one needs an 8 inches
to edge join.
"Bob G." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>>Join? Not many Flatten? Often enough. Lets face it no one needs an 8
>>inches
>>to edge join.
>>
> =====================
> Come on.... if you are a cheap son of a gunn and only edge join a
> single set of knives will last you a few more years if you have an 8
> inch jointer ...keep sliding that fence over to hide the dull or
> nicked areas of the blades....
>
> Of course knives can be replaced a lot of times for the extra money
> it would take to buy an 8 inch jointer.... LOL
>
> Bob Griffiths
>
Starting tomorrow I will have coffee before posting on Usenet.
I agree. That didn't come across the way I intended it to.
"Keith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1110071745.445b6a3def7f2e6f70976314f929fa28@1usenet...
> Well I would like to thank everyone for pointing out some ideas or areas I
> should consider. I have been using boards that have been surfaced already
> but I
> know I need to be planning on using rough cut boards in the future. I
> don't have
> a planner yet which is another reason I have been using surfaced boards.
> I'm
> also looking at planners but feel I need to look beyond the table top
> one's I
> have seen at Lowes. I'll continue to look into 8" joiners and see what
> options I
> have without breaking the bank.
I've survived a few year with no jointer, but I'd never give up my planer.
It gets a lot of use for thicknessing, cleanup when resawing, clean up after
a glue up (up to 13" anyway). Both my wood suppliers will joint and plane
for me (included in the price) but I still have need to plane.
I also just came across about 1,000 bd. ft. of rough cut pine (free) that is
about 11" wide that I've planed down to use.
Just some more to think about. In either case, a dust collector should be
part of the package.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/
On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 08:41:08 -0500, "joeD" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Ba r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:57:57 -0500, "George" <george@least> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>What percentage of the boards you join are > 8' long?
>>
>> For me, a lot! I do plenty of finish work were I'm installing
>> hardwood baseboards, and tall bookcases. The bookcases require long,
>> straight, face frame parts.
>>
>> Barry
>
>Join? Not many Flatten? Often enough. Lets face it no one needs an 8 inches
>to edge join.
Well duh! <G>
I was responding to the specific statement about 8' long edges. While
I may not _join_ them, straight, 90 degree true to the face edges make
things much easier at assembly time.
Most all of the lumber I buy is 6-8" wide. An 8" machine allows me to
face joint 95% of my lumber without changing the width first.
I had a 6" and needed the extra size enough to warrant selling the 6"
and moving up to an 8". I also like the taller fence of my
particular 8" machine.
Barry
If you find a burning need to mill boards greater than 6" but less than
8", then I'd suggest the 8". Otherwise, what's the point of buying the
bigger unit, other than bragging rights?
Dave
Keith wrote:
> I'm ready to get a jointer now as the table top joiner I have been using is way
> to smallfor most projects. Everyone tells me to try and get the 8" but the price
> is really up there compared to 6" joiners. I'm now looking at the powermatic 6"
> joiner with the long table. I'm not really committed to it but I do know a long
> table is import for long boards. I have been only using the table top joiner to
> prepare the edges for joining so I haven't seen the need to prepare the surface
> of the boards yet. I'm open to spending more if I can convince myself the 8" is
> more useful. I'm trying to buy the right equipment the first time and have been
> very happy with my Delta unisaw so far. Thanks
>
>
>Join? Not many Flatten? Often enough. Lets face it no one needs an 8 inches
>to edge join.
>
=====================
Come on.... if you are a cheap son of a gunn and only edge join a
single set of knives will last you a few more years if you have an 8
inch jointer ...keep sliding that fence over to hide the dull or
nicked areas of the blades....
Of course knives can be replaced a lot of times for the extra money
it would take to buy an 8 inch jointer.... LOL
Bob Griffiths
On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 10:55:05 -0500, Keith <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I'm ready to get a jointer now as the table top joiner I have been using is way
>to smallfor most projects. Everyone tells me to try and get the 8" but the price
>is really up there compared to 6" joiners. I'm now looking at the powermatic 6"
>joiner with the long table. I'm not really committed to it but I do know a long
>table is import for long boards. I have been only using the table top joiner to
>prepare the edges for joining so I haven't seen the need to prepare the surface
>of the boards yet. I'm open to spending more if I can convince myself the 8" is
>more useful. I'm trying to buy the right equipment the first time and have been
>very happy with my Delta unisaw so far. Thanks
When I was in the market for a jointer, I looked for a large bed. I
ended up buying the Delta DJ-20, an eight inch jointer. No regrets,
but this jointer is very heavy and awkward to move around. Having the
extra 2" has been a blessing several times over the last 10 years and
the jointer itself seems to produce excellent results with little
maintenance.
On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 08:08:38 -0800, David <[email protected]> wrote:
>If you find a burning need to mill boards greater than 6" but less than
>8", then I'd suggest the 8". Otherwise, what's the point of buying the
>bigger unit, other than bragging rights?
>
Unless we're talking about a PM54A, length over 6" machines.
A longer machine is much easier for longer board edges.
Aside from that, most of the lumber I buy is 6-8" wide, which makes an
8" machine just about perfect for face jointing.
Barry