We are building a home with the cedar home style. However, because of
the higher cost of cedar and maintenance, we are considering using one
of the planks like Hardi Plank or Certainteed. These boards come with
wood grain texture and can be stained or painted to look like wood.
Certainteed even has a plank that comes stained with a 15 year
guarantee and looks almost like cedar. If anyone has experience with
any of these products, I would like to know your experience and degree
of satisfaction with them. We need to make a choice within about a
month.
I don't know certainteed, but Hardi seems great. It takes paint, but do
some research before staining. I think it will need to be an opaque stain.
I tried some oil stain and it was pretty blotchy. All things considered,
including the poor quality and cost of most wood siding, I'd go with a Hardi
type stuff!
Wilson
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> We are building a home with the cedar home style. However, because of
> the higher cost of cedar and maintenance, we are considering using one
> of the planks like Hardi Plank or Certainteed. These boards come with
> wood grain texture and can be stained or painted to look like wood.
> Certainteed even has a plank that comes stained with a 15 year
> guarantee and looks almost like cedar. If anyone has experience with
> any of these products, I would like to know your experience and degree
> of satisfaction with them. We need to make a choice within about a
> month.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> We are building a home with the cedar home style. However, because of
> the higher cost of cedar and maintenance, we are considering using one
> of the planks like Hardi Plank or Certainteed. These boards come with
> wood grain texture and can be stained or painted to look like wood.
> Certainteed even has a plank that comes stained with a 15 year
> guarantee and looks almost like cedar. If anyone has experience with
> any of these products, I would like to know your experience and degree
> of satisfaction with them. We need to make a choice within about a
> month.
Both are excellent products. Keep in mind that if you use the stainable
stuff, you will have gaps between the edges where two boards come together
that will need to be caulked. I have noticed the stainable type really
shows these gaps where if you use the paintable stuff, you paint over the
caulking and it is not so apparent. Food for thought.
SH
I am having my home completely resided with hardi-plank. Its an
extremely popular and accepted product in the Houston area, a tropical
climate. Wood siding of any type requires much more maintenance in
this area. Vinyl doesn't have that good a reputation here either.
I'll tell you what its like in 10 years. For now, it really, really
looks great. The material comes pre-primed and the builder is putting
on two coats of paint. They put Tyvek wrap underneath it. We thought
long and hard about adding sheathing beneath it. The builder said he
would be glad to do it but it was not necessary. I was concerned about
the "smoothness" of the application. He said that was determined by
the stud spacing and how square the studs were. My house had nice
tight stud spacing. He corrected or replaced some of the studs before
applying the siding. He completely rebuilt the garage door frame
(sagging) before adding the siding.
Bob
I install the hardi products constantly, and agree with Swingman that the
other responder doesn't kow what he's talking about. No J channel needed,
and the stuff is pre-primed, just install and paint. It's a dusty product
to cut and is somewhat of a PITA. Also, it's devastating to carbide blades,
so get a dimond blade or cement siding shears to cut it. For corners, facia
and other trim, I usually use a product called Mira-tec. It's basically
cement coated MDF with a smooth side and a rough cedar looking side with the
same dimentions as regular wood. It's considerably heavier than wood and
will split if it's nailed through the end grain, just like MDF. Also
devastating to carbide, and cuts dusty as can be. Both products should have
a long service life if installed correctly. hope this helps, --dave
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Maurice Herboldsheimer" wrote in message
>> This is an area in which I have some expertise. But I don't claim to
>> know
>> everything.
>>
>> First, Hardi and similar products are a fiber-cement material. If not
>> primed and painted ON BOTH SIDES, they will absorb moisture and cause
>> problems for any paint you use pretty quickly-even more quickly than
>> wood.
>
> I have used Hardi on a number of homes and never found that to be the
> case.
> My own home uses Hardi. AAMOF, it holds paint better than any other siding
> I've used. Hardi does NOT need to be painted on both sides as it is
> pre-primed.
>
>> Secondly, there are very few contractors that know how to put
>> fiber-cement
>> materials on a house properly.
>
> That would depend upon your location.
>
>>Most just apply it like regular wooden
>> siding: WRONG! You should use the outside corners, inside corners, and
>> "J"-channels made for it.
>
> ??
>
> Say no more ... there is NO requirement for J channels with Hardi siding.
> You obviously do not know what you are talking about.
>
> For the OP: Installation instruction are available at:
>
> http://www.jameshardie.com/homeowner/installation/hardiplank_installation.php
>
> ... and a FAQ at:
>
> http://www.jameshardie.com/homeowner/faq/default.php#4
>
>
> --
> www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 11/06/04
>
>
"Maurice Herboldsheimer" <[email protected]> writes:
>Were it me, I'd go with a premium vinyl siding. There are reputable
>installers that can really make it look good.
Seamless steel is even better than vinyl. No seams. For my house, vinyl
was $12,000 and seamless steel was about $13,400 or so. This was a new
house and the price included the eaves too.
The vinyl price seems high, but maybe they were going to do premium vinyl.
Brian Elfert
I have used Hardi Planks to replace Masonite siding on my house and to
exclusively cover my store room. IIRC the Hardi products have a 50 year
warrantee. It is a little difficult to work with but IMHO will never have
to be replaced.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> We are building a home with the cedar home style. However, because of
> the higher cost of cedar and maintenance, we are considering using one
> of the planks like Hardi Plank or Certainteed. These boards come with
> wood grain texture and can be stained or painted to look like wood.
> Certainteed even has a plank that comes stained with a 15 year
> guarantee and looks almost like cedar. If anyone has experience with
> any of these products, I would like to know your experience and degree
> of satisfaction with them. We need to make a choice within about a
> month.
I do know somewhat of which I speak. I built several multifamily and single
family projects with Hardi and Sim-plank. I've had factory representatives
on my job. I've been to Hardi's facilities, shows, and demonstation
projects.
There were problems with leakages in each of the projects I built without
using the accessories.
I've bought and used the appurtenances of which I referred. They were
marketed at both Home Depot and Lowe's at the time I was doing this. They
are designed to minimize leaking and for a more professional appearance.
Also, behind each butt joint there should be flashing. Those that do not use
these items will have to caulk each joint with "40 year" caulk that has to
be renewed each 2-3 years (remember the GP weatherboard installation now
defunct and subject to class action suits?). They will eventually leak. The
flashing minimizes leakages, of course.
I don't want to get into a pissing contest, but there are "accepted"
methods, good methods, and-as most of this group knows, methods used by
craftsmen. You do it like you wish.
Following are some interesting URL's to support my treatise.
http://www.tamlyn.com/pvc%20accessories.html
http://www.permachoice.com/product_advantages.html
http://www.extremehowto.com/xh/article.asp?article_id=60184 (a comparison
of different sidings/ drawbacks, advantages, etc.) read the section on
cement siding
I apologize for the excessive length of this post.
Sincerely
Maurice
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Maurice Herboldsheimer" wrote in message
> > This is an area in which I have some expertise. But I don't claim to
know
> > everything.
> >
> > First, Hardi and similar products are a fiber-cement material. If not
> > primed and painted ON BOTH SIDES, they will absorb moisture and cause
> > problems for any paint you use pretty quickly-even more quickly than
wood.
>
> I have used Hardi on a number of homes and never found that to be the
case.
> My own home uses Hardi. AAMOF, it holds paint better than any other siding
> I've used. Hardi does NOT need to be painted on both sides as it is
> pre-primed.
>
> > Secondly, there are very few contractors that know how to put
fiber-cement
> > materials on a house properly.
>
> That would depend upon your location.
>
> >Most just apply it like regular wooden
> > siding: WRONG! You should use the outside corners, inside corners, and
> > "J"-channels made for it.
>
> ??
>
> Say no more ... there is NO requirement for J channels with Hardi siding.
> You obviously do not know what you are talking about.
>
> For the OP: Installation instruction are available at:
>
>
http://www.jameshardie.com/homeowner/installation/hardiplank_installation.php
>
> ... and a FAQ at:
>
> http://www.jameshardie.com/homeowner/faq/default.php#4
>
>
> --
> www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 11/06/04
>
>
"Maurice Herboldsheimer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I do know somewhat of which I speak. I built several multifamily and single
> family projects with Hardi and Sim-plank. I've had factory representatives
> on my job. I've been to Hardi's facilities, shows, and demonstation
> projects.
>
> There were problems with leakages in each of the projects I built without
> using the accessories.
>
> I've bought and used the appurtenances of which I referred. They were
> marketed at both Home Depot and Lowe's at the time I was doing this. They
> are designed to minimize leaking and for a more professional appearance.
> Also, behind each butt joint there should be flashing. Those that do not
> use
> these items will have to caulk each joint with "40 year" caulk that has to
> be renewed each 2-3 years (remember the GP weatherboard installation now
> defunct and subject to class action suits?). They will eventually leak.
> The
> flashing minimizes leakages, of course.
Geez you went to school and apparently ate the teacher... I think you have
been sold a bill of goods. You do not need flashing and the caulk will last
much longer than you suggest. My caulk is going on 10 years and still looks
fine. Further, BRICK leaks more than Hardi. If you are getting leaks it is
your method of construction.
This is an area in which I have some expertise. But I don't claim to know
everything.
First, Hardi and similar products are a fiber-cement material. If not
primed and painted ON BOTH SIDES, they will absorb moisture and cause
problems for any paint you use pretty quickly-even more quickly than wood.
Secondly, there are very few contractors that know how to put fiber-cement
materials on a house properly. Most just apply it like regular wooden
siding: WRONG! You should use the outside corners, inside corners, and
"J"-channels made for it. Thirdly, if a backer is not used (OSB, etc) this
material is pretty easy to break, and it is a PITA to replace. Cutting the
stuff requires a diamond saw blade if you're going to do any volume at all.
Personally, I hate it.
However, for the insurance wise, it has almost the same fire rating as
brick.
Were it me, I'd go with a premium vinyl siding. There are reputable
installers that can really make it look good.
JMHO
Maurice
"Wilson Lamb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%[email protected]...
> I don't know certainteed, but Hardi seems great. It takes paint, but do
> some research before staining. I think it will need to be an opaque
stain.
> I tried some oil stain and it was pretty blotchy. All things considered,
> including the poor quality and cost of most wood siding, I'd go with a
Hardi
> type stuff!
> Wilson
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > We are building a home with the cedar home style. However, because of
> > the higher cost of cedar and maintenance, we are considering using one
> > of the planks like Hardi Plank or Certainteed. These boards come with
> > wood grain texture and can be stained or painted to look like wood.
> > Certainteed even has a plank that comes stained with a 15 year
> > guarantee and looks almost like cedar. If anyone has experience with
> > any of these products, I would like to know your experience and degree
> > of satisfaction with them. We need to make a choice within about a
> > month.
>
>
Well, i don't know about the sites you've offered, but if you check the
manufacturer of the products
http://www.jameshardie.com/homeowner/installation/hardiplank_installation.php
(also the company that warrantees the products)
None of the methods of which you speak are recommended by Hardi. If you
used these products and had leaks, it was more likely the result of improper
installation, probably from the lack of applying a weather barrier behind
the product, lack of flashing above windows/doors and not caulking the gaps
between butt joints and trim. As far as flashing between the butt joints,
a 5"x5" piece of felt paper will work fine to keep water from getting behind
the siding, provided a suitable weather barrier has been applied to the
exterior wall. Corners can be built on site with their Harditrim. It can
be also used for facia, soffit, rake trim, casing, board and batten, etc,
etc. Craftsmen use these methods. --dave
"Maurice Herboldsheimer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I do know somewhat of which I speak. I built several multifamily and single
> family projects with Hardi and Sim-plank. I've had factory representatives
> on my job. I've been to Hardi's facilities, shows, and demonstation
> projects.
>
> There were problems with leakages in each of the projects I built without
> using the accessories.
>
> I've bought and used the appurtenances of which I referred. They were
> marketed at both Home Depot and Lowe's at the time I was doing this. They
> are designed to minimize leaking and for a more professional appearance.
> Also, behind each butt joint there should be flashing. Those that do not
> use
> these items will have to caulk each joint with "40 year" caulk that has to
> be renewed each 2-3 years (remember the GP weatherboard installation now
> defunct and subject to class action suits?). They will eventually leak.
> The
> flashing minimizes leakages, of course.
>
> I don't want to get into a pissing contest, but there are "accepted"
> methods, good methods, and-as most of this group knows, methods used by
> craftsmen. You do it like you wish.
>
> Following are some interesting URL's to support my treatise.
>
> http://www.tamlyn.com/pvc%20accessories.html
> http://www.permachoice.com/product_advantages.html
> http://www.extremehowto.com/xh/article.asp?article_id=60184 (a comparison
> of different sidings/ drawbacks, advantages, etc.) read the section on
> cement siding
>
> I apologize for the excessive length of this post.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Maurice
>
>
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "Maurice Herboldsheimer" wrote in message
>> > This is an area in which I have some expertise. But I don't claim to
> know
>> > everything.
>> >
>> > First, Hardi and similar products are a fiber-cement material. If not
>> > primed and painted ON BOTH SIDES, they will absorb moisture and cause
>> > problems for any paint you use pretty quickly-even more quickly than
> wood.
>>
>> I have used Hardi on a number of homes and never found that to be the
> case.
>> My own home uses Hardi. AAMOF, it holds paint better than any other
>> siding
>> I've used. Hardi does NOT need to be painted on both sides as it is
>> pre-primed.
>>
>> > Secondly, there are very few contractors that know how to put
> fiber-cement
>> > materials on a house properly.
>>
>> That would depend upon your location.
>>
>> >Most just apply it like regular wooden
>> > siding: WRONG! You should use the outside corners, inside corners,
>> > and
>> > "J"-channels made for it.
>>
>> ??
>>
>> Say no more ... there is NO requirement for J channels with Hardi siding.
>> You obviously do not know what you are talking about.
>>
>> For the OP: Installation instruction are available at:
>>
>>
> http://www.jameshardie.com/homeowner/installation/hardiplank_installation.php
>>
>> ... and a FAQ at:
>>
>> http://www.jameshardie.com/homeowner/faq/default.php#4
>>
>>
>> --
>> www.e-woodshop.net
>> Last update: 11/06/04
>>
>>
>
>
[email protected] wrote:
> We are building a home with the cedar home style. However, because of
> the higher cost of cedar and maintenance, we are considering using one
> of the planks like Hardi Plank or Certainteed. These boards come with
> wood grain texture and can be stained or painted to look like wood.
> Certainteed even has a plank that comes stained with a 15 year
> guarantee and looks almost like cedar. If anyone has experience with
> any of these products, I would like to know your experience and degree
> of satisfaction with them. We need to make a choice within about a
> month.
Just a comment on the "15 year guarantee". The real cedar on my house is
going on 40 years old and while it doesn't look too pretty thanks to
previous owners putting on layer after layer of crap paint that I need
strip some day it's still perfectly sound.
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
to add my 2 cents:
I just resided our house and renovation wih Hardi plank (replaced
vinyl)...I used stainless steel gun nails...It's important to drive any
nails you use flush with the surface, not down into the siding...
david
[email protected] wrote:
> We are building a home with the cedar home style. However, because of
> the higher cost of cedar and maintenance, we are considering using one
> of the planks like Hardi Plank or Certainteed. These boards come with
> wood grain texture and can be stained or painted to look like wood.
> Certainteed even has a plank that comes stained with a 15 year
> guarantee and looks almost like cedar. If anyone has experience with
> any of these products, I would like to know your experience and degree
> of satisfaction with them. We need to make a choice within about a
> month.
"Maurice Herboldsheimer" wrote in message
> This is an area in which I have some expertise. But I don't claim to know
> everything.
>
> First, Hardi and similar products are a fiber-cement material. If not
> primed and painted ON BOTH SIDES, they will absorb moisture and cause
> problems for any paint you use pretty quickly-even more quickly than wood.
I have used Hardi on a number of homes and never found that to be the case.
My own home uses Hardi. AAMOF, it holds paint better than any other siding
I've used. Hardi does NOT need to be painted on both sides as it is
pre-primed.
> Secondly, there are very few contractors that know how to put fiber-cement
> materials on a house properly.
That would depend upon your location.
>Most just apply it like regular wooden
> siding: WRONG! You should use the outside corners, inside corners, and
> "J"-channels made for it.
??
Say no more ... there is NO requirement for J channels with Hardi siding.
You obviously do not know what you are talking about.
For the OP: Installation instruction are available at:
http://www.jameshardie.com/homeowner/installation/hardiplank_installation.php
... and a FAQ at:
http://www.jameshardie.com/homeowner/faq/default.php#4
--
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Last update: 11/06/04