Advise

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:53:27 GMT, Dave Balderstone
<dave***@balderstone.ca> wrote:

>> I've just had my 3,000th ! _Today_ !
>
>And I thought I was getting nailed! Ouch!

Now 4,000 and counting.
However I've auto killed all but about 50 of the last 1,000

Sun, Sep 14, 2003, 11:36pm (EDT-1) [email protected] (Max=A0Power)
put out:
I have a rather expensive tobacco pipe <snip> How do I clean this <snip>
Please answer by email.

OK, I'll advise.

Don't post on this newsgroup with code in your sig block.

Quit smoking.

If you're gonna post here, don't ask to answered by e-mail. If you
are too bone idle to check for responses, you don't deserve answers.
Besides, it makes you look like a WebTV user.

JOAT
I've heard it said, "All roads lead to Rome". But wouldn't that depend
on which way you're going?

Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 13 Sep 2003. Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/

In article <[email protected]>, Lazarus Long
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Starting yesterday, I've received about 50 copies of the new virus.
> They're trying to come in as a microsoft security patch, "PLEASE APPLY
> NOW!"

I've had about 800 since after dinner yesterday. Working with my
sysadmin to try to block them at the server.

djb

--
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"

In article <[email protected]>, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I've just had my 3,000th ! _Today_ !

And I thought I was getting nailed! Ouch!

djb

--
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"

In article <[email protected]>, Lazarus Long
<[email protected]> wrote:

> My count is now near 100. Fortunately it's not as bad as yours. yet.
> these virus people have entirely too much time on their hands. they
> should just chill and go get a beer.

I'm up to nearly 1K right now. My suppport goddess and I have been
tweaking my Spam Assassin settings on the box that hosts balderstone.ca
and may have finally got it. I'll know more in a while, things are so
slow that there's a 45 minute delay at the mail server.

At work, we run an anti-virus server along with the firewall, and I
haven't had one from that account.

djb

--
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"

In article <[email protected]>, <
[email protected]"> wrote:

> How is yours being
> stopped at work with these tools?

Essentially, our tech sets up rules at the mail server for what is and
isn't allowed through. As well, our anti-virus server is constantly
updating its defs and is also set to quarantine any unknown attachment
and ask for help if it doesn't understand what's being sent.

Bottom line is nobody should be sending us executables via email.
Filter for that and all this worm crap goes away.

djb

--
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"

In article <[email protected]>, <
[email protected]"> wrote:

> When asked about putting virus filtering software
> on their mail servers, my ISP (Patriot Media in NJ) actually
> said "no one is using that kind of thing or else there wouldn't
> be all the viruses spreading around the world." Needless to
> say I was shocked by this logic.

My host (aliencreed.com) uses Spam Assassin which is reasonably
effective. If you're not afraid of the command line you can tweak your
personal prefs, and verify that you're nbot getting false positives. It
also allows a whitelist.

djb

--
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"

In article <[email protected]>, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Now 4,000 and counting.
> However I've auto killed all but about 50 of the last 1,000

They aren't hitting my mailbox anymore, but Spam Assassin is killing
them at my mail server about twice a minute. Beyiond that, I've stopped
counting.

djb

--
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"

Max,
If it were a truly expensive pipe ($220 and up), you would have been asking
this question long ago. The inside you do not clean. never ever. Use use a
cleaning tool that scrapes the char out. If you use this tool correctly, you do
not remove much each time. If you are too aggressive you will pull clumps out,
leaving no char in that little area and that will allow that spot to burn
through.
On outside, if it is real yucky, you can scrub with toothbrush and very mild
solution of water and murphys oil and wipe clean. When doen, use your noce oil
to add protection. SOmeone already mentioned this. It works and works well. Rub
on your nose and use your fingers to loveingly rub it in. A $200 plus pipe will
retain in value, and smoke well. ANd dont smoke one pipe all the time. It needs
a rest.
None of these rules apply to meerschaum.

In <QcDab.522676$uu5.86814@sccrnsc04> Lawrence L'Hote wrote:

> So far today I've received 46 "Microsoft" update messages. Most were
> infected.

_All_ are either infected or have been cleaned. Microsoft does not
email patches. Depending on what you've signed up for you may get an
email directing you to a web site, but they don't distribute patches via
email.

download all patches directly from microsoft. I wouldn't even click on
a link in a message I received; just type in microsoft.com in a web
browser and click to the patches yourself, if you're not using the
windowsupdate tool.

-j

You got me beat. I'm only at 75.

James <G>
"Grandpa" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Someone is harvesting addrs from the NGs & flooding their emails with
> them. This is the 3rd NG I frequent where its been mentioned. I've
> gotten just over 300 so far since yesterday.
>
> Lawrence L'Hote wrote:
>
> > "Rick Chamberlain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>This is the newest virus/worm. Symantec has posted a new definition
> >>file to catch and delete it. I suspect that there are some out there
> >>who have not patched their MS OS to plug the hole in Internet Explorer.
> >>
> >>Details at:
> >>
> >>http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pri&dt=030918
> >>&cat=news&st=newstechwormswendc
> >
> >
> > So far today I've received 46 "Microsoft" update messages. Most were
> > infected.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
>

>
> So far today I've received 46 "Microsoft" update messages. Most were
> infected.
>
> Larry

Its Getting Sickening Is'nt it?
Its Overflowing My E mail, and Yahoo keeps giving me warnings about
Mail box storage Limit exceeding its limit.
Thanks, Tony D.

"Grandpa" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Someone is harvesting addrs from the NGs & flooding their emails with
> them. This is the 3rd NG I frequent where its been mentioned. I've
> gotten just over 300 so far since yesterday.

That sounds about right. After the first hundred, I started cloning filter
variables.

I have received well over 60 or more of these infected emails. I have
changed my posting email to a Hotmail account and I hope that this
will take care of it.

They are using Microsoft links to fool people. Microsoft should
hopefully be working on this one.

D.Martin



Lazarus Long <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Starting yesterday, I've received about 50 copies of the new virus.
> They're trying to come in as a microsoft security patch, "PLEASE APPLY
> NOW!"
>
> As if!
>
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:56:31 -0400, Tom Watson <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:23:32 -0500, "Sweet Sawdust"
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >Wanted to let you know that I got a virus alert from my ISP with your
> >address on it. Tried to tell you via email but it bounced.
> >
> >X-NAV-TimeoutProtection0: X
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> > for <[email protected]>; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:25:38 -0400 (EDT)
> >From: [email protected]
> >Subject: Recipient Virus-alert (sender: [email protected])
> >MIME-Version: 1.0
> >Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status;
> >
> >boundary="[email protected]"
> >Message-Id: <[email protected]>
> >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:25:38 -0400 (EDT)
> >To: undisclosed-recipients:;
> >X-RCPT-TO: <[email protected]>
> >Status: U
> >X-UIDL: 356486738
> >
> >
> >This is the mail anti-virus program at virusgate1.snip.net.
> >
> >
> >We BLOCKED a message addressed to you from:
> >[email protected]
> >
> >
> >containing:
> >infected: I-Worm.Swen
> >
> >
> >This message does not contain the virus or the original e-mail
> >message.
> >
> >
> >This message is just a notification and can be safely deleted.
> >
> >
> >The person sending this virus received a notification as well.
> >
> >
> >The attached file contains the message headers of the infected mail.
> >The headers will only be of interest to a mail administrator.
> >
> >
> >Do not reply to this auto-generated message. All replies to
> >this message will be lost.
> >
> >
> >Please direct any comments or questions to [email protected].
> >
> >
> >Thank you,
> >
> >
> >SNiP Internet and Telecommunications
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> > by imgate2.snip.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 86D5D60E70
> > for <[email protected]>; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:25:39 -0400 (EDT)
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> >From: "MS Security Center" <[email protected]>
> >To: "Microsoft Client" <[email protected]>
> >SUBJECT: security patch
> >Mime-Version: 1.0
> >Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="dergehzrrqitwg"
> >Message-Id: <[email protected]>
> >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:25:39 -0400 (EDT)
> >
> >Regards, Tom
> >Tom Watson - Woodworker
> >Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
> >http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson

The other day I had one of my people stuck with a 2 1/2 download time for
email on her computer because of viruses (the first wave) that had come in
starting about Labor Day. All from one Road Runner Indianapolis account.
Her ISP's response when called was to say it was just spam and he could
change there email address to solve it. Interesting response I thought.
Wonder why his business isn't flourishing. Actually, he better than the
other local providers and none are doing well. Anyway, one email to abuse
at Road Runner solved the problem.

"Dave Balderstone" <dave***@balderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:190920031211073480%dave***@balderstone.ca...
> In article <[email protected]>, Lazarus Long
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > My count is now near 100. Fortunately it's not as bad as yours. yet.
> > these virus people have entirely too much time on their hands. they
> > should just chill and go get a beer.
>
> I'm up to nearly 1K right now. My suppport goddess and I have been
> tweaking my Spam Assassin settings on the box that hosts balderstone.ca
> and may have finally got it. I'll know more in a while, things are so
> slow that there's a 45 minute delay at the mail server.
>
> At work, we run an anti-virus server along with the firewall, and I
> haven't had one from that account.
>
> djb
>
> --
> "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"

Just loaed McAfee SpamkiIler and it worked!! Instantly stopped ALL
the 250+ day emails I've been getting. How sweet it is!!

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:26:39 GMT, Dave Balderstone
<dave***@balderstone.ca> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, <
>[email protected]"> wrote:
>
>> How is yours being
>> stopped at work with these tools?
>
>Essentially, our tech sets up rules at the mail server for what is and
>isn't allowed through. As well, our anti-virus server is constantly
>updating its defs and is also set to quarantine any unknown attachment
>and ask for help if it doesn't understand what's being sent.
>
>Bottom line is nobody should be sending us executables via email.
>Filter for that and all this worm crap goes away.
>
>djb

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:13:21 GMT, Dave Balderstone
<dave***@balderstone.ca> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, Lazarus Long
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Starting yesterday, I've received about 50 copies of the new virus.
>> They're trying to come in as a microsoft security patch, "PLEASE APPLY
>> NOW!"
>
>I've had about 800 since after dinner yesterday. Working with my
>sysadmin to try to block them at the server.
>
>djb

My count is now near 100. Fortunately it's not as bad as yours. yet.
these virus people have entirely too much time on their hands. they
should just chill and go get a beer.

On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:36:04 -0500 (CDT), [email protected] (Max
Power) wrote:

>I have a rather expensive tobacco pipe made of root briar. The outside
>of the bowl has accumulated some grime, due to tobacco and finger oils.
>The grain is impecable and even has somee birdseye on the bottom of the
>bowl. How do I clean this wood without harming it's smokeability?
>Please answer by email.

"Please answer by email." Right-o, you lazy, self-important doo-doo
head. You want the answer, come here.

4-0 steel wool. Maybe a little lemon oil.

And no, I won't mail you any steel wool, either. You'll have to take
your lazy ass, your stupid email address, and your idiotic screen name
over to the hardware store your lazy-assed self.

Michael Baglio
Oh, I forgot to say "Have a nice day." Where _have_ my manners gone?

None of my damn business, but just wondering what the rationale was behind
the change from "Cabinetmaker" to "Woodworker" in your sig line and your
website?

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 9/13/03

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Watson"


> Tom Watson - Woodworker
> Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
> http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:23:32 -0500, "Sweet Sawdust"
<[email protected]> wrote:

Wanted to let you know that I got a virus alert from my ISP with your
address on it. Tried to tell you via email but it bounced.

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Message-Id: <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:25:39 -0400 (EDT)

Regards, Tom
Tom Watson - Woodworker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson

Dennis [email protected] wrote:
> Rules at the newsreader
> don't help. An infected machine somewhere is sending me 10 junk
> emails an hour. If I shut down my PC the mail piles up at the server.
> By the enxt morning my server mailbox is full and who-knows-how-
> many legitimate emails have been bounced. *Nothing* in a modern
> newsreader will solve this problem. It must be handled at the server.

Not true. Make your rules with the following action: "Delete From Server".
Not only will you never see the spam in your delete folder, your pop server will
get rid of them as well. You can do this; you're running the same email program
I use.

> Yes, yes, YES! Hundreds of emails overnight. Don't know what
> the limit is but I've never had a problem until this crap started
> happening this week. Now you get it.

So leave your mailreader up until this dies down. My computer is up and running
24/7/365. I seldom see spam.
FWIW, I have my monitor power down after 20 minutes of inactivity; everything
else stays active.


--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

[email protected]
http://www.mortimerschnerd.com

> X-Sent: 19 Sep 2003 00:24:53 GMT
> From: "MS Security Center" <[email protected]>
> To: "Microsoft Client" <[email protected]>
> SUBJECT: security patch
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="dergehzrrqitwg"
> Message-Id: <[email protected]>
> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:25:39 -0400 (EDT)
>
> Regards, Tom
> Tom Watson - Woodworker
> Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
> http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson

Tom,

This is the newest virus/worm. Symantec has posted a new definition
file to catch and delete it. I suspect that there are some out there
who have not patched their MS OS to plug the hole in Internet Explorer.

Details at:

http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pri&dt=030918
&cat=news&st=newstechwormswendc

Rick

Grandpa wrote:
> Someone is harvesting addrs from the NGs & flooding their emails with
> them. This is the 3rd NG I frequent where its been mentioned. I've
> gotten just over 300 so far since yesterday.
>
> Lawrence L'Hote wrote:
>
> > "Rick Chamberlain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>This is the newest virus/worm. Symantec has posted a new definition
> >>file to catch and delete it. I suspect that there are some out there
> >>who have not patched their MS OS to plug the hole in Internet Explorer.
> >>
> >>Details at:
> >>
> >>http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pri&dt=030918
> >>&cat=news&st=newstechwormswendc
> >
> >
> > So far today I've received 46 "Microsoft" update messages. Most were
> > infected.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
>
>
I'm at zero. That's one of advantages to never putting your
real email address on USENET in a machine readable form. I
don't put mine on USENET in any form unless someone
specifically asks for it and has a good reason for asking.
Then they get my junk email address.

You really can keep the amount of spam and other crap you
get in your email down with a little effort.

Rico


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In article <QcDab.522676$uu5.86814@sccrnsc04>, [email protected] says...
...

> So far today I've received 46 "Microsoft" update messages. Most were
> infected.
>
I've received more than 100. It took 45 minutes just to download,
process, and delete them all. I was sufficiently pissed off that I
replaced my email address in hope of preventing a repetition. (Cutting
out the usual 75 spams a day would be nice too.)

Abe


--
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addy, don't you think?

Rick Chamberlain wrote:
> > I'm at zero. That's one of advantages to never putting your
> > real email address on USENET in a machine readable form. I
> > don't put mine on USENET in any form unless someone
> > specifically asks for it and has a good reason for asking.
> > Then they get my junk email address.
> >
> > You really can keep the amount of spam and other crap you
> > get in your email down with a little effort.
> >
> > Rico
>
> Possibly, but this virus reads the address books of machines infected
> and sends messages to all. Perhaps no one has you in their address book
> Rico?
>
> Rick
>
My ISP is good at stopping the latest viruses and worms, one
of the few things they are good at.

Not passing your email address around on USENET everytime
you post does cut way down on the crap, but of course you
are free to leave you email address on the shit house wall
or where ever else you try to get your dates.





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> I'm at zero. That's one of advantages to never putting your
> real email address on USENET in a machine readable form. I
> don't put mine on USENET in any form unless someone
> specifically asks for it and has a good reason for asking.
> Then they get my junk email address.
>
> You really can keep the amount of spam and other crap you
> get in your email down with a little effort.
>
> Rico

Possibly, but this virus reads the address books of machines infected
and sends messages to all. Perhaps no one has you in their address book
Rico?

Rick

Rick Chamberlain wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> > Rick Chamberlain wrote:
> > > > I'm at zero. That's one of advantages to never putting your
> > > > real email address on USENET in a machine readable form. I
> > > > don't put mine on USENET in any form unless someone
> > > > specifically asks for it and has a good reason for asking.
> > > > Then they get my junk email address.
> > > >
> > > > You really can keep the amount of spam and other crap you
> > > > get in your email down with a little effort.
> > > >
> > > > Rico
> > >
> > > Possibly, but this virus reads the address books of machines infected
> > > and sends messages to all. Perhaps no one has you in their address book
> > > Rico?
> > >
> > > Rick
> > >
> > My ISP is good at stopping the latest viruses and worms, one
> > of the few things they are good at.
> >
> > Not passing your email address around on USENET everytime
> > you post does cut way down on the crap, but of course you
> > are free to leave you email address on the shit house wall
> > or where ever else you try to get your dates.
>
> Sarcasm meter on the blink again Rico?
>
> I thought about why I use my real name and e-mail address in light of
> all the harvesting and virii and such. While I have decided to change
> my posting e-mail address, I still leave instructions for those who wish
> to e-mail me off list.
>
> And, I use my real name because I believe when you are speaking with
> someone, you look them square in the eye and respect them enough to use
> your real name.
>
> You don't use your real name, don't make reference to a correct e-mail
> address, and don't allow your posts to be archived by Google. Guess I
> have my explanation for your crass response.
>
> Thicken up your skin son, and relax a little.
>

I would have put a smiley face on it, but based on your
remark I mistakenly thought that you had a sense of humor.
My apologies.

Rico


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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Rick Chamberlain wrote:
> > > I'm at zero. That's one of advantages to never putting your
> > > real email address on USENET in a machine readable form. I
> > > don't put mine on USENET in any form unless someone
> > > specifically asks for it and has a good reason for asking.
> > > Then they get my junk email address.
> > >
> > > You really can keep the amount of spam and other crap you
> > > get in your email down with a little effort.
> > >
> > > Rico
> >
> > Possibly, but this virus reads the address books of machines infected
> > and sends messages to all. Perhaps no one has you in their address book
> > Rico?
> >
> > Rick
> >
> My ISP is good at stopping the latest viruses and worms, one
> of the few things they are good at.
>
> Not passing your email address around on USENET everytime
> you post does cut way down on the crap, but of course you
> are free to leave you email address on the shit house wall
> or where ever else you try to get your dates.

Sarcasm meter on the blink again Rico?

I thought about why I use my real name and e-mail address in light of
all the harvesting and virii and such. While I have decided to change
my posting e-mail address, I still leave instructions for those who wish
to e-mail me off list.

And, I use my real name because I believe when you are speaking with
someone, you look them square in the eye and respect them enough to use
your real name.

You don't use your real name, don't make reference to a correct e-mail
address, and don't allow your posts to be archived by Google. Guess I
have my explanation for your crass response.

Thicken up your skin son, and relax a little.
--
Regards,

Rick

(Remove the HIGH SPOTS for e-mail)

"Rick Chamberlain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> This is the newest virus/worm. Symantec has posted a new definition
> file to catch and delete it. I suspect that there are some out there
> who have not patched their MS OS to plug the hole in Internet Explorer.
>
> Details at:
>
> http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pri&dt=030918
> &cat=news&st=newstechwormswendc

So far today I've received 46 "Microsoft" update messages. Most were
infected.

Larry

Let's see...last time I cleaned a pipe it was one of my fathers as I recall.
I can remember getting it from his pipe rack then climbing up on a chair I
pushed over near the sink where my mother was washing dishes.

Spluushhhh..... was the funny sound it made as it headed to the deep six of
the kitchen sink in soapy water with lot's of suds..... My mother smiled and
said..."I agree, might as well and go ahead and clean that smelly old thing"

Years later, I bought Dad a hand-carved Meerschaum as a replacement....

So I don't know what you would use to clean a pipe but don't use soap and
water...Dad never did smoke that particular pipe ever again...

Bob S.

I am at 250 +/- messages per 24 period. Wondered where it came from.

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:53:36 GMT, "Upscale" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>"Grandpa" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Someone is harvesting addrs from the NGs & flooding their emails with
>> them. This is the 3rd NG I frequent where its been mentioned. I've
>> gotten just over 300 so far since yesterday.
>
>That sounds about right. After the first hundred, I started cloning filter
>variables.
>

"Dave Balderstone" <dave***@balderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:190920031211073480%dave***@balderstone.ca...
> In article <[email protected]>, Lazarus Long
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > My count is now near 100. Fortunately it's not as bad as yours. yet.
> > these virus people have entirely too much time on their hands. they
> > should just chill and go get a beer.
>
> I'm up to nearly 1K right now. My suppport goddess and I have been
> tweaking my Spam Assassin settings on the box that hosts balderstone.ca
> and may have finally got it. I'll know more in a while, things are so
> slow that there's a 45 minute delay at the mail server.
>
> At work, we run an anti-virus server along with the firewall, and I
> haven't had one from that account.

I run Norton Antivirus, Zonealarm as well as the firewall
in my wireless router. I don't see how any of these can
stop what is essentially spam. They will let through
email that is addressed to you. How is yours being
stopped at work with these tools?

Dennis Vogel

"Dennis [email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Dave Balderstone" <dave***@balderstone.ca> wrote in message
> news:190920031211073480%dave***@balderstone.ca...
> > In article <[email protected]>, Lazarus Long
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > My count is now near 100. Fortunately it's not as bad as yours. yet.
> > > these virus people have entirely too much time on their hands. they
> > > should just chill and go get a beer.
> >
> > I'm up to nearly 1K right now. My suppport goddess and I have been
> > tweaking my Spam Assassin settings on the box that hosts balderstone.ca
> > and may have finally got it. I'll know more in a while, things are so
> > slow that there's a 45 minute delay at the mail server.
> >
> > At work, we run an anti-virus server along with the firewall, and I
> > haven't had one from that account.
>
> I run Norton Antivirus, Zonealarm as well as the firewall
> in my wireless router. I don't see how any of these can
> stop what is essentially spam. They will let through
> email that is addressed to you. How is yours being
> stopped at work with these tools?
>
> Dennis Vogel
>

a filter on the server side can recognize the payload attachments and delete
it before delivering it to your mailbox.

"Scratch Ankle Wood" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The other day I had one of my people stuck with a 2 1/2 download time for
> email on her computer because of viruses (the first wave) that had come in
> starting about Labor Day. All from one Road Runner Indianapolis account.
> Her ISP's response when called was to say it was just spam and he could
> change there email address to solve it. Interesting response I thought.
> Wonder why his business isn't flourishing. Actually, he better than the
> other local providers and none are doing well. Anyway, one email to abuse
> at Road Runner solved the problem.

The numerous emails I'm getting don't appear to be from any
real source. When asked about putting virus filtering software
on their mail servers, my ISP (Patriot Media in NJ) actually
said "no one is using that kind of thing or else there wouldn't
be all the viruses spreading around the world." Needless to
say I was shocked by this logic.

Dennis Vogel

"Charlie Spitzer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Dennis [email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "Dave Balderstone" <dave***@balderstone.ca> wrote in message
> > news:190920031211073480%dave***@balderstone.ca...
> > > In article <[email protected]>, Lazarus Long
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > My count is now near 100. Fortunately it's not as bad as yours.
yet.
> > > > these virus people have entirely too much time on their hands. they
> > > > should just chill and go get a beer.
> > >
> > > I'm up to nearly 1K right now. My suppport goddess and I have been
> > > tweaking my Spam Assassin settings on the box that hosts
balderstone.ca
> > > and may have finally got it. I'll know more in a while, things are so
> > > slow that there's a 45 minute delay at the mail server.
> > >
> > > At work, we run an anti-virus server along with the firewall, and I
> > > haven't had one from that account.
> >
> > I run Norton Antivirus, Zonealarm as well as the firewall
> > in my wireless router. I don't see how any of these can
> > stop what is essentially spam. They will let through
> > email that is addressed to you. How is yours being
> > stopped at work with these tools?
> >
> > Dennis Vogel
> >
>
> a filter on the server side can recognize the payload attachments and
delete
> it before delivering it to your mailbox.

Yes, on the server. That's what I'm begging my ISP to do.

Dennis Vogel

"J&KCopeland" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Dennis [email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "Scratch Ankle Wood" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > The other day I had one of my people stuck with a 2 1/2 download time
> for
> > > email on her computer because of viruses (the first wave) that had
come
> in
> > > starting about Labor Day. All from one Road Runner Indianapolis
> account.
> > > Her ISP's response when called was to say it was just spam and he
could
> > > change there email address to solve it. Interesting response I
thought.
> > > Wonder why his business isn't flourishing. Actually, he better than
the
> > > other local providers and none are doing well. Anyway, one email to
> abuse
> > > at Road Runner solved the problem.
> >
> > The numerous emails I'm getting don't appear to be from any
> > real source. When asked about putting virus filtering software
> > on their mail servers, my ISP (Patriot Media in NJ) actually
> > said "no one is using that kind of thing or else there wouldn't
> > be all the viruses spreading around the world." Needless to
> > say I was shocked by this logic.
> >
> > Dennis Vogel
> >
>
> No one does it for a reason.
>
> With thousands of end users, it's extremely difficult to create a general
> application rule that wouldn't supress legitmate eMail for someone. I
have
> a rule deleting everything that has "Microsoft" in the subject line, but
if
> I worked for Microsoft or one of it umpteen vendors, I might find that
> particular rule, totally unacceptable.

How about an email that contains a virus? Those should be filtered
by an ISP. In fact, a good ISP will let individual users configure
their own filters. No need for everyone to have the same filters.
This isn't a difficult problem to solve. And it's in the ISP's interest
to do this because it is their bandwidth that is getting chewed up
with this crap.

> I don't normally eMail executable files, but I have, on occasion forwarded
a
> particular file to a relative.
>
> Even the multi-address rules of some ISP's can cause problems. My
daughter,
> a manager, regularily sends out bluk eMails to 22 regionally dispersed
> employees.
>
> Much better for end users to learn the rather simple rule, do NOT open any
> attachments unless you know exactly who sent it and why.

Yeah but there's a little problem. When I shut off my computer, the
email backs up on the ISPs mail server. When it gets full, valid
email gets bounced. Overnight is sufficient to clog my mailbox.

Dennis Vogel

Getting them off my machine is the easy part.
I can do that with Outlook Express. What I want
is a way to prevent them from getting to the mailbox
on my ISP's mail server. That's where they backup
and prevent the delivery of legitimate email.
I don't think Spamkiller will do that. The ball is
in the ISP's court.

Dennis Vogel

"Ramsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just loaed McAfee SpamkiIler and it worked!! Instantly stopped ALL
> the 250+ day emails I've been getting. How sweet it is!!
>
> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:26:39 GMT, Dave Balderstone
> <dave***@balderstone.ca> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>, <
> >[email protected]"> wrote:
> >
> >> How is yours being
> >> stopped at work with these tools?
> >
> >Essentially, our tech sets up rules at the mail server for what is and
> >isn't allowed through. As well, our anti-virus server is constantly
> >updating its defs and is also set to quarantine any unknown attachment
> >and ask for help if it doesn't understand what's being sent.
> >
> >Bottom line is nobody should be sending us executables via email.
> >Filter for that and all this worm crap goes away.
> >
> >djb
>

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Jeez... I use Outlook Express, ZoneAlarm Pro, and Norton's Antivirus. I
have
> made good use of Outlook Express's rules capability and as a result, I get
less
> than 3 unsolicited spam messages a week. Not only do they not show up in
my
> "delete" folder, I never see the rest of the crap at all. It's deleted
from the
> server.

Your ISP must be running something to filter the spam
and viruses. Or you've been very lucky. I run all
the same things you do. They won't stop spam from
getting to your ISP's server. They will help you contain
and remove it once it is sent to your PC but not before.

Dennis Vogel

"J&KCopeland" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Dennis [email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > How about an email that contains a virus? Those should be filtered
> > by an ISP.
>
> Once new virus configurations are well, known, I'm reasonably certain that
> some (many, most) ISP's might well do extactly that. But someone,
somewhere
> has got to get copies of the infected code, break the code down to locate
> and identify exactly the code sequence that's the culprit, and then issue
> "definations" of that code sequence, and the administrators have to
download
> and install the new "definations". Norton, McAfee and Dr Solomon make a
lot
> of money doing exactly that. While this process is going on, a malicious
> virus can spread world wide, in a matter of MINUTES.

Yeah, but once they break it down they can program the server
to stop forwarding mail to people. Then even stupid people
who open mail attachments that spread the viruses will be
prevented from perpetuating the virus. This isn't an attempt to
prevent the spread of the virus but rather to prevent the secondary
effects of flooding mail boxes with garbage.

> > In fact, a good ISP will let individual users configure
> > their own filters.
>
> Are we talking apples and oranges here? I know of no ISP that will let
> end-users anywhere near their news servers. Normally, end-users have
> read-only access to the servers, and any filters and/or specific
(anti-spam)
> programs are applied by the individual's boxes to incoming mail. (Perhaps
> there are ISP's that allow end-users to specifically configure their
> individual accounts on the servers, but it sounds like a great way for
> someone to screw up their mail and then blame the ISP, and since each user
> already has the power to create their own rules under any modern
newsreader,
> I don't see where this would actually help much.

Arrgh. It's not rocket science to create a server-based program with
a small client app that let's me set my server email parameters: don't
forward email with viruses, don't forward email with "enlargement"
ads, etc. No one is going near the server. Rules at the newsreader
don't help. An infected machine somewhere is sending me 10 junk
emails an hour. If I shut down my PC the mail piles up at the server.
By the enxt morning my server mailbox is full and who-knows-how-
many legitimate emails have been bounced. *Nothing* in a modern
newsreader will solve this problem. It must be handled at the server.

> BTW. The "bandwidth" has
> already been "chewed" up by the time the messages reach the server.

Not the bandwidth between the mail server an all the ISP's customers.
Jillions of megabits of crap are flowing cutting down on useful
bandwidth for legitimate purposes.

> Look, my personal "Microsoft" worm count is now passing 200, so I'm
> completely in tune with the frustration expressed. And I've no doubt that
> some ISP administrators are probably manually deleting this incoming
> messages off their servers, like crazy.
> Good for them!

Mine isn't. They tried to tell me it is something I should do on my
PC. I tried to explain the problem but they don't seem to get it.

> > Yeah but there's a little problem. When I shut off my computer, the
> > email backs up on the ISPs mail server. When it gets full, valid
> > email gets bounced. Overnight is sufficient to clog my mailbox.
>
> Hmmmm. To be tactless, either your ISP allocates an extremely small
amount
> of space per user OR you're getting helluva lot of large eMail messages.


Yes, yes, YES! Hundreds of emails overnight. Don't know what
the limit is but I've never had a problem until this crap started
happening this week. Now you get it.

Dennis Vogel

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dennis [email protected] wrote:
> > Rules at the newsreader
> > don't help. An infected machine somewhere is sending me 10 junk
> > emails an hour. If I shut down my PC the mail piles up at the server.
> > By the enxt morning my server mailbox is full and who-knows-how-
> > many legitimate emails have been bounced. *Nothing* in a modern
> > newsreader will solve this problem. It must be handled at the server.
>
> Not true. Make your rules with the following action: "Delete From
Server".
> Not only will you never see the spam in your delete folder, your pop
server will
> get rid of them as well. You can do this; you're running the same email
program
> I use.

If my PC is powered down, there is no rule any mail client can
execute that will delete mail from a POP server.

> > Yes, yes, YES! Hundreds of emails overnight. Don't know what
> > the limit is but I've never had a problem until this crap started
> > happening this week. Now you get it.
>
> So leave your mailreader up until this dies down. My computer is up and
running
> 24/7/365. I seldom see spam.
> FWIW, I have my monitor power down after 20 minutes of inactivity;
everything
> else stays active.

Well, I have no choice but to do that. But I don't want to leave it up.
My only consolation is that someone out there has had their PC
royaly screwed up becaused of their foolish behavior. It's just
too bad it's harming others as well. I just wish that (those?) people
would disconnect their PC from the Internet.

Dennis Vogel

On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:36:04 -0500 (CDT), [email protected] (Max
Power) wrote:

>I have a rather expensive tobacco pipe made of root briar. The outside
>of the bowl has accumulated some grime, due to tobacco and finger oils.
>The grain is impecable and even has somee birdseye on the bottom of the
>bowl. How do I clean this wood without harming it's smokeability?
>Please answer by email.
>Thanks.

Buff the outside. You could chuck a buffer in your drill press.
electric drill, or lathe. The natural oils present are enough.

Only 46! I'm up to 78!
"Lawrence L'Hote" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:QcDab.522676$uu5.86814@sccrnsc04...
>
> "Rick Chamberlain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > This is the newest virus/worm. Symantec has posted a new definition
> > file to catch and delete it. I suspect that there are some out there
> > who have not patched their MS OS to plug the hole in Internet Explorer.
> >
> > Details at:
> >
> > http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pri&dt=030918
> > &cat=news&st=newstechwormswendc
>
> So far today I've received 46 "Microsoft" update messages. Most were
> infected.
>
> Larry
>
>

Andy Dingley wrote:
> Now 4,000 and counting.
> However I've auto killed all but about 50 of the last 1,000


Jeez... I use Outlook Express, ZoneAlarm Pro, and Norton's Antivirus. I have
made good use of Outlook Express's rules capability and as a result, I get less
than 3 unsolicited spam messages a week. Not only do they not show up in my
"delete" folder, I never see the rest of the crap at all. It's deleted from the
server.

I've never had a virus either. I wish I could say the same thing for hardware
meltdowns.

After having helped my father restore his system last week from a hard drive
failure, I've now invested in external USB hard drives for the both of us.
Drive Image 7 supports them (USB drives). I am determined never to have to
start from scratch again.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

[email protected]
http://www.mortimerschnerd.com

Someone is harvesting addrs from the NGs & flooding their emails with
them. This is the 3rd NG I frequent where its been mentioned. I've
gotten just over 300 so far since yesterday.

Lawrence L'Hote wrote:

> "Rick Chamberlain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>This is the newest virus/worm. Symantec has posted a new definition
>>file to catch and delete it. I suspect that there are some out there
>>who have not patched their MS OS to plug the hole in Internet Explorer.
>>
>>Details at:
>>
>>http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pri&dt=030918
>>&cat=news&st=newstechwormswendc
>
>
> So far today I've received 46 "Microsoft" update messages. Most were
> infected.
>
> Larry
>
>

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:08:00 GMT, "Lawrence L'Hote" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>So far today I've received 46 "Microsoft" update messages. Most were
>infected.

I've just had my 3,000th ! _Today_ !

Starting yesterday, I've received about 50 copies of the new virus.
They're trying to come in as a microsoft security patch, "PLEASE APPLY
NOW!"

As if!

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:56:31 -0400, Tom Watson <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:23:32 -0500, "Sweet Sawdust"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Wanted to let you know that I got a virus alert from my ISP with your
>address on it. Tried to tell you via email but it bounced.
>
>X-NAV-TimeoutProtection0: X
>X-NAV-TimeoutProtection1: X
>X-NAV-TimeoutProtection2: X
>X-NAV-TimeoutProtection3: X
>X-NAV-TimeoutProtection4: X
>X-NAV-TimeoutProtection5: X
>X-NAV-TimeoutProtection6: X
>Received: from virusgate1.snip.net [209.204.64.12] by snip.net with
>ESMTP
> (SMTPD32-8.01) id AD06CDF20042; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:25:42 -0400
>Received: from localhost (localhost.snip.net [127.0.0.1])
> by virusgate1.snip.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9CB7055402
> for <[email protected]>; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:25:38 -0400 (EDT)
>From: [email protected]
>Subject: Recipient Virus-alert (sender: [email protected])
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status;
>
>boundary="[email protected]"
>Message-Id: <[email protected]>
>Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:25:38 -0400 (EDT)
>To: undisclosed-recipients:;
>X-RCPT-TO: <[email protected]>
>Status: U
>X-UIDL: 356486738
>
>
>This is the mail anti-virus program at virusgate1.snip.net.
>
>
>We BLOCKED a message addressed to you from:
>[email protected]
>
>
>containing:
>infected: I-Worm.Swen
>
>
>This message does not contain the virus or the original e-mail
>message.
>
>
>This message is just a notification and can be safely deleted.
>
>
>The person sending this virus received a notification as well.
>
>
>The attached file contains the message headers of the infected mail.
>The headers will only be of interest to a mail administrator.
>
>
>Do not reply to this auto-generated message. All replies to
>this message will be lost.
>
>
>Please direct any comments or questions to [email protected].
>
>
>Thank you,
>
>
>SNiP Internet and Telecommunications
>Received: from imgate2.snip.net (imgate2.snip.net [209.204.64.8])
> by virusgate1.snip.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7258755420
> for <[email protected]>; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:25:38 -0400 (EDT)
>Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (h008.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.172])
> by imgate2.snip.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 86D5D60E70
> for <[email protected]>; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:25:39 -0400 (EDT)
>Received: (cpmta 268 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 17:24:53 -0700
>Received: from 199.174.3.56 (HELO dqqqwie)
> by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.172) with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003
>17:24:53 -0700
>X-Sent: 19 Sep 2003 00:24:53 GMT
>From: "MS Security Center" <[email protected]>
>To: "Microsoft Client" <[email protected]>
>SUBJECT: security patch
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="dergehzrrqitwg"
>Message-Id: <[email protected]>
>Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:25:39 -0400 (EDT)
>
>Regards, Tom
>Tom Watson - Woodworker
>Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
>http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson

"Dennis [email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Scratch Ankle Wood" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > The other day I had one of my people stuck with a 2 1/2 download time
for
> > email on her computer because of viruses (the first wave) that had come
in
> > starting about Labor Day. All from one Road Runner Indianapolis
account.
> > Her ISP's response when called was to say it was just spam and he could
> > change there email address to solve it. Interesting response I thought.
> > Wonder why his business isn't flourishing. Actually, he better than the
> > other local providers and none are doing well. Anyway, one email to
abuse
> > at Road Runner solved the problem.
>
> The numerous emails I'm getting don't appear to be from any
> real source. When asked about putting virus filtering software
> on their mail servers, my ISP (Patriot Media in NJ) actually
> said "no one is using that kind of thing or else there wouldn't
> be all the viruses spreading around the world." Needless to
> say I was shocked by this logic.
>
> Dennis Vogel
>

No one does it for a reason.

With thousands of end users, it's extremely difficult to create a general
application rule that wouldn't supress legitmate eMail for someone. I have
a rule deleting everything that has "Microsoft" in the subject line, but if
I worked for Microsoft or one of it umpteen vendors, I might find that
particular rule, totally unacceptable.

I don't normally eMail executable files, but I have, on occasion forwarded a
particular file to a relative.

Even the multi-address rules of some ISP's can cause problems. My daughter,
a manager, regularily sends out bluk eMails to 22 regionally dispersed
employees.

Much better for end users to learn the rather simple rule, do NOT open any
attachments unless you know exactly who sent it and why.

James...

"Dennis [email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "J&KCopeland" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Dennis [email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > "Scratch Ankle Wood" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > The other day I had one of my people stuck with a 2 1/2 download
time
> > for
> > > > email on her computer because of viruses (the first wave) that had
> come
> > in
> > > > starting about Labor Day. All from one Road Runner Indianapolis
> > account.
> > > > Her ISP's response when called was to say it was just spam and he
> could
> > > > change there email address to solve it. Interesting response I
> thought.
> > > > Wonder why his business isn't flourishing. Actually, he better than
> the
> > > > other local providers and none are doing well. Anyway, one email to
> > abuse
> > > > at Road Runner solved the problem.
> > >
> > > The numerous emails I'm getting don't appear to be from any
> > > real source. When asked about putting virus filtering software
> > > on their mail servers, my ISP (Patriot Media in NJ) actually
> > > said "no one is using that kind of thing or else there wouldn't
> > > be all the viruses spreading around the world." Needless to
> > > say I was shocked by this logic.
> > >
> > > Dennis Vogel
> > >
> >
> > No one does it for a reason.
> >
> > With thousands of end users, it's extremely difficult to create a
general
> > application rule that wouldn't supress legitmate eMail for someone. I
> have
> > a rule deleting everything that has "Microsoft" in the subject line, but
> if
> > I worked for Microsoft or one of it umpteen vendors, I might find that
> > particular rule, totally unacceptable.
>
> How about an email that contains a virus? Those should be filtered
> by an ISP.

Once new virus configurations are well, known, I'm reasonably certain that
some (many, most) ISP's might well do extactly that. But someone, somewhere
has got to get copies of the infected code, break the code down to locate
and identify exactly the code sequence that's the culprit, and then issue
"definations" of that code sequence, and the administrators have to download
and install the new "definations". Norton, McAfee and Dr Solomon make a lot
of money doing exactly that. While this process is going on, a malicious
virus can spread world wide, in a matter of MINUTES.

> In fact, a good ISP will let individual users configure
> their own filters.

Are we talking apples and oranges here? I know of no ISP that will let
end-users anywhere near their news servers. Normally, end-users have
read-only access to the servers, and any filters and/or specific (anti-spam)
programs are applied by the individual's boxes to incoming mail. (Perhaps
there are ISP's that allow end-users to specifically configure their
individual accounts on the servers, but it sounds like a great way for
someone to screw up their mail and then blame the ISP, and since each user
already has the power to create their own rules under any modern newsreader,
I don't see where this would actually help much. BTW. The "bandwidth" has
already been "chewed" up by the time the messages reach the server.

Look, my personal "Microsoft" worm count is now passing 200, so I'm
completely in tune with the frustration expressed. And I've no doubt that
some ISP administrators are probably manually deleting this incoming
messages off their servers, like crazy.

Good for them!

> No need for everyone to have the same filters.
> This isn't a difficult problem to solve. And it's in the ISP's interest
> to do this because it is their bandwidth that is getting chewed up
> with this crap.
>
> > I don't normally eMail executable files, but I have, on occasion
forwarded
> a
> > particular file to a relative.
> >
> > Even the multi-address rules of some ISP's can cause problems. My
> daughter,
> > a manager, regularily sends out bluk eMails to 22 regionally dispersed
> > employees.
> >
> > Much better for end users to learn the rather simple rule, do NOT open
any
> > attachments unless you know exactly who sent it and why.
>
> Yeah but there's a little problem. When I shut off my computer, the
> email backs up on the ISPs mail server. When it gets full, valid
> email gets bounced. Overnight is sufficient to clog my mailbox.

Hmmmm. To be tactless, either your ISP allocates an extremely small amount
of space per user OR you're getting helluva lot of large eMail messages.
(BTW, I know this can happen. My BIL regularily sends and receives CAD
files and those suckers are HUGE. He had to request, and was granted,
additional storage space by his ISP. My wife once send a large uncompressed
bunch of pictures, to several relatives. I was surprised that my ISP would
let them out. But the relatives, especially the ones still on dialup
weren't happy at all.)

>
> Dennis Vogel
>
James...

"Michael Baglio" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:36:04 -0500 (CDT), [email protected] (Max
> Power) wrote:
>
> >I have a rather expensive tobacco pipe made of root briar. The outside
> >of the bowl has accumulated some grime, due to tobacco and finger oils.
> >The grain is impecable and even has somee birdseye on the bottom of the
> >bowl. How do I clean this wood without harming it's smokeability?
> >Please answer by email.
>
> 4-0 steel wool. Maybe a little lemon oil.

You must really hate this guy, Lemon oil on a pipe
NOOOOOOOOOOooooooooo!!!!!!
Any thing you put on the bowl or in the bowl will change the taste of the
smoke, lemon is bitter and you bites you don't want that. Use alcohol
(grain) and steel wool to clean the outside, ream the inside clean (down to
the briar if needed) and coat with alcohol (grain) and honey mixture, char
the inside of the bowl. To finish the outside of the bowl use beeswax rubbed
in to the bowl. This is how I restore most of mine when they need it. And
why is this guy asking here anyway he should go to a pipesmokers group.

For pipes that have gone sour I always reamed the bowl down to the briar
and then coated with a then mixture of honey cut with alcohol, then lightly
charred the bowl. Have you ever tried this? It seems to work quite well
for me on all types of briar pipes.
"JLucas ILS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Max,
> If it were a truly expensive pipe ($220 and up), you would have been
asking
> this question long ago. The inside you do not clean. never ever. Use use a
> cleaning tool that scrapes the char out. If you use this tool correctly,
you do
> not remove much each time. If you are too aggressive you will pull clumps
out,
> leaving no char in that little area and that will allow that spot to burn
> through.
> On outside, if it is real yucky, you can scrub with toothbrush and very
mild
> solution of water and murphys oil and wipe clean. When doen, use your noce
oil
> to add protection. SOmeone already mentioned this. It works and works
well. Rub
> on your nose and use your fingers to loveingly rub it in. A $200 plus pipe
will
> retain in value, and smoke well. ANd dont smoke one pipe all the time. It
needs
> a rest.
> None of these rules apply to meerschaum.