The kids at church need a puppet stage built out of PVC that they can tear
down and transport so I got volunteered. I wanted to make a canvas skirt to
go around the bottom and a back drop with sleeves the pipe can just slip
into so I asked my friend who owns an upholstery shop if I could use his
industrial size sewing machine....
"Have you ever used a sewing machine like this one?" he asked.
"No," I answered.
"I'll do it for you. That's a 2hp motor on that sewing machine and it'll eat
you alive," he said to me.
I just looked at him and smiled and said ok but I was thinking to myself....
"Are you really serious? I'm sure that machine is worthy of the proper
respect but c'mon... you want to talk about the ability to be eaten alive
come play with my stuff."
I've never heard of a machine designed to sew through plywood...
Now that is scary...
Stephen R.
"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> The ER doc was actually pretty impressed at how neat the stitches
> were. An industrial sewing machine, designed to sew through 1/2"
> plywood, can do a number on you, especially when it has a mechanism
> whose main purpose is to pull the workpiece into the sharp bits.
>
>The kids at church need a puppet stage built out of PVC that they can tear
>down and transport so I got volunteered. I wanted to make a canvas skirt to
>go around the bottom and a back drop with sleeves the pipe can just slip
>into so I asked my friend who owns an upholstery shop if I could use his
>industrial size sewing machine....
>
>"Have you ever used a sewing machine like this one?" he asked.
>
>"No," I answered.
>
>"I'll do it for you. That's a 2hp motor on that sewing machine and it'll eat
>you alive," he said to me.
>
>I just looked at him and smiled and said ok but I was thinking to myself....
>"Are you really serious? I'm sure that machine is worthy of the proper
>respect but c'mon... you want to talk about the ability to be eaten alive
>come play with my stuff."
I wouldn't chuckle. Those things move fast and with loads of power. My father
when he was a kid in the '40s had a quarter stitched full of seams by a
cobbler's machine.
GTO(John)
>I wouldn't chuckle. Those things move fast and with loads of power. My father
>when he was a kid in the '40s had a quarter stitched full of seams by a
>cobbler's machine.
also remember that the needle is small... so we're talking about 2HP
of power focused on a *really* tiny area.
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Tim Douglass <[email protected]> writes:
>mom's Singer. Probably wouldn't have been so bad if I hadn't jerked
>away and ripped all three out through the side of my finger. Made a
>pretty ugly mess.
heh... i've broke sewing machine needles off in my thumb... twice.
(guess i never learn) score one for the "meaty" hands! (or is it a
score for the sewing machine?)
it's isn't recommended, let me tell you.
I think my wife's husqvarna might fair better if it were to happen
again. i could end up with a neatly embroidered hand. ;)
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"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:22:51 GMT, mel <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > "I'll do it for you. That's a 2hp motor on that sewing machine and it'll
eat
> > you alive," he said to me.
> >
> > I just looked at him and smiled and said ok but I was thinking to
myself....
> > "Are you really serious? I'm sure that machine is worthy of the proper
> > respect but c'mon... you want to talk about the ability to be eaten
alive
> > come play with my stuff."
>
> Oh, I'm chuckling, but not for the reason you are. Years ago,
> my mom did interiors for the Excalibur Autos company (high-end,
> nice looking nearly-custom cars). One day, things got a bit out
> of control, and she ended up with a few stitches in her thumb.
> From the machine. Lock-stitched through the bone.
>
> The ER doc was actually pretty impressed at how neat the stitches
> were. An industrial sewing machine, designed to sew through 1/2"
> plywood, can do a number on you, especially when it has a mechanism
> whose main purpose is to pull the workpiece into the sharp bits.
>
>
>
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Dave Hinz wrote:
> Oh, I'm chuckling, but not for the reason you are. Years ago,
> my mom did interiors for the Excalibur Autos company (high-end,
> nice looking nearly-custom cars). One day, things got a bit out
> of control, and she ended up with a few stitches in her thumb.
> From the machine. Lock-stitched through the bone.
I'll never forget the day my grandmother ran the web between
thumb and forefinger into her machine. She (fairly cooly) stopped
treadling, reversed the feed, and treadled at full speed to free
her hand...
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto, Iowa USA
Morris Dovey writes:
>> Oh, I'm chuckling, but not for the reason you are. Years ago,
>> my mom did interiors for the Excalibur Autos company (high-end,
>> nice looking nearly-custom cars). One day, things got a bit out
>> of control, and she ended up with a few stitches in her thumb.
>> From the machine. Lock-stitched through the bone.
>
>I'll never forget the day my grandmother ran the web between
>thumb and forefinger into her machine. She (fairly cooly) stopped
>treadling, reversed the feed, and treadled at full speed to free
>her hand...
Argh! I'm with Swingman here. The needles, the needles!
As I've aged, I've gotten used to more sharp things being stuck into my hide,
but needles that have to be backed out or that carry thread....no. Makes my
skin crawl to think of it, especially if I had to treadle the damned machine to
get the needle out.
Charlie Self
"I am confident that the Republican Party will pick a nominee that will beat
Bill Clinton." Dan Quayle
Charlie Self wrote:
> Morris Dovey writes:
>
> >I'll never forget the day my grandmother ran the web between
> >thumb and forefinger into her machine. She (fairly cooly) stopped
> >treadling, reversed the feed, and treadled at full speed to free
> >her hand...
>
> Argh! I'm with Swingman here. The needles, the needles!
>
> As I've aged, I've gotten used to more sharp things being stuck into my hide,
> but needles that have to be backed out or that carry thread....no. Makes my
> skin crawl to think of it, especially if I had to treadle the damned machine to
> get the needle out.
Especially when reversing the feed and running the treadle would make a nice double
stitch on the web of your hand
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
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On 30 Apr 2004 01:03:12 GMT, Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> As I've aged, I've gotten used to more sharp things being stuck into my hide,
> but needles that have to be backed out or that carry thread....no. Makes my
> skin crawl to think of it, especially if I had to treadle the damned machine to
> get the needle out.
I seem to recall pliers were involved in this case - a sewing needle is,
after all, longer than the space between the plate and the shaft it's
mounted to; normally one has lots of vertical movement available, not so much
when it's lodged in a metacarpal.
Dave "or is that philanges..." Hinz
Dave Hinz writes:
>> As I've aged, I've gotten used to more sharp things being stuck into my
>hide,
>> but needles that have to be backed out or that carry thread....no. Makes my
>> skin crawl to think of it, especially if I had to treadle the damned
>machine to
>> get the needle out.
>
>I seem to recall pliers were involved in this case - a sewing needle is,
>after all, longer than the space between the plate and the shaft it's
>mounted to; normally one has lots of vertical movement available, not so much
>when it's lodged in a metacarpal.
I needed to know that.
Charlie Self
"I am confident that the Republican Party will pick a nominee that will beat
Bill Clinton." Dan Quayle
I'm with you, charlie. Makes you squirm a bit, eh?
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I needed to know that.
>
> Charlie Self
> "I am confident that the Republican Party will pick a nominee that will
beat
> Bill Clinton." Dan Quayle
>
Did you live in Sparks?
Small world,
H.
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:22:51 GMT, mel <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > "I'll do it for you. That's a 2hp motor on that sewing machine and it'll eat
> > you alive," he said to me.
> >
> > I just looked at him and smiled and said ok but I was thinking to myself....
> > "Are you really serious? I'm sure that machine is worthy of the proper
> > respect but c'mon... you want to talk about the ability to be eaten alive
> > come play with my stuff."
>
> Oh, I'm chuckling, but not for the reason you are. Years ago,
> my mom did interiors for the Excalibur Autos company (high-end,
> nice looking nearly-custom cars). One day, things got a bit out
> of control, and she ended up with a few stitches in her thumb.
> From the machine. Lock-stitched through the bone.
>
> The ER doc was actually pretty impressed at how neat the stitches
> were. An industrial sewing machine, designed to sew through 1/2"
> plywood, can do a number on you, especially when it has a mechanism
> whose main purpose is to pull the workpiece into the sharp bits.
"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] An industrial sewing machine,
designed to sew through 1/2"
> plywood, can do a number on you, especially when it has a mechanism
> whose main purpose is to pull the workpiece into the sharp bits.
And you are working so close to the dangerous part. No push sticks here.
Remember old, cheap radio cases. 1/8 inch board with vinyl sewn to it. I've
seen machines that will sew through 3/4 inch leather without even working
hard.
"S R" <no email @ no spam.com> wrote in message
news:%[email protected]...
> I've never heard of a machine designed to sew through plywood...
>
> Now that is scary...
>
>
> Stephen R.
>
>
> "Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > The ER doc was actually pretty impressed at how neat the stitches
> > were. An industrial sewing machine, designed to sew through 1/2"
> > plywood, can do a number on you, especially when it has a mechanism
> > whose main purpose is to pull the workpiece into the sharp bits.
>
>
Ok... I'll concede that the machine could do some damage and it might be
arrogant for me on my part to belittle being stitched as opposed to being
jointed or sawn but after you've seen a 1/4" crown staple go through the
bone in a thumb, properly set below the surface and firmly secured to the
table top, being sewn to a piece of cloth really seems minor.
Do you know that scrotum tightening feeling you get when you look at a piece
of machinery running and contemplate the damage it could do to you should
you make an error? Don't ever lose that.... tame it but don't lose it.
I have one of those. He's not kidding.
"mel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The kids at church need a puppet stage built out of PVC that they can tear
> down and transport so I got volunteered. I wanted to make a canvas skirt
to
> go around the bottom and a back drop with sleeves the pipe can just slip
> into so I asked my friend who owns an upholstery shop if I could use his
> industrial size sewing machine....
>
> "Have you ever used a sewing machine like this one?" he asked.
>
> "No," I answered.
>
> "I'll do it for you. That's a 2hp motor on that sewing machine and it'll
eat
> you alive," he said to me.
>
> I just looked at him and smiled and said ok but I was thinking to
myself....
> "Are you really serious? I'm sure that machine is worthy of the proper
> respect but c'mon... you want to talk about the ability to be eaten alive
> come play with my stuff."
>
>
"mel" wrote in message
> I just looked at him and smiled and said ok but I was thinking to
myself....
> "Are you really serious? I'm sure that machine is worthy of the proper
> respect but c'mon... you want to talk about the ability to be eaten alive
> come play with my stuff."
Accch ... I don't know, maybe it's the needles, but my toes curl up and my
skin crawls just thinking about what can happen with that sewing machine ...
I'll take my chances with a table saw or router table any day.
AAMOF, I still recall having an unreasonable, but healthy respect for mom's
old Singer.
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"mel" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
<snippage>
> "Have you ever used a sewing machine like this one?" he asked.
>
> "No," I answered.
>
> "I'll do it for you. That's a 2hp motor on that sewing machine and
> it'll eat you alive," he said to me.
<snippage>
That is very much the answer I give when my friends need something done in
my shop. I'd rather take the time, do it right, and not have to explain to
their spouse why they are at the emergency room.
And I sleep better at night.
I'm not paranoid. But almost ANYTHING, in anyone's shop, can reach out and
bite an inexperienced user of THAT machine.
God bless you for your service. And let you keep the parts with which you
came originally equipped.
Patriarch
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:22:51 GMT, mel <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "I'll do it for you. That's a 2hp motor on that sewing machine and it'll eat
> you alive," he said to me.
>
> I just looked at him and smiled and said ok but I was thinking to myself....
> "Are you really serious? I'm sure that machine is worthy of the proper
> respect but c'mon... you want to talk about the ability to be eaten alive
> come play with my stuff."
Oh, I'm chuckling, but not for the reason you are. Years ago,
my mom did interiors for the Excalibur Autos company (high-end,
nice looking nearly-custom cars). One day, things got a bit out
of control, and she ended up with a few stitches in her thumb.
From the machine. Lock-stitched through the bone.
The ER doc was actually pretty impressed at how neat the stitches
were. An industrial sewing machine, designed to sew through 1/2"
plywood, can do a number on you, especially when it has a mechanism
whose main purpose is to pull the workpiece into the sharp bits.
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 02:06:03 GMT, Lazarus Long <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 30 Apr 2004 01:33:41 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>Mostly off-the-shelf GM parts, except of course for the body and interior.
> >>Never drove one, and I saw the other day that they've torn down the old
> >>factory.
> >
> > Which happens to be across the street from a Woodcraft. That area's
> > been getting revitalized a bit.
>
> Ah, see, so we _are_ on-topic after all. I'm so relieved.
>
> Anywhere other than Woodcraft or Rockler in the area to get interesting
> lumber, by any chance? There used to be that place out on highway J,
> smoky hollow or something, but they're not there anymore.
>
>
> Dave Hinz
You guys have lost me. Excaliburs were made in Sparks NV, and only
there if I was informed correctly when I visited the place. I grew up
in Reno, but it doesn't sound like you guys are talking about
Reno/Sparks. So where was this other factory?
Curious,
H.
On 30 Apr 2004 22:06:42 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 30 Apr 2004 12:44:30 -0700, Hylourgos <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>>>
>>> Ah, see, so we _are_ on-topic after all. I'm so relieved.
>>
>> You guys have lost me. Excaliburs were made in Sparks NV, and only
>> there if I was informed correctly when I visited the place.
>
>Sounds like you were lied to, or it's a different Excalibur, or
>it predated the factory here.
>
>> I grew up
>> in Reno, but it doesn't sound like you guys are talking about
>> Reno/Sparks. So where was this other factory?
>
>Is (was) in, what is that, West Allis, Wisconsin I think. Pretty
>sure it existed, since my mom set up their upholstery department
>and all. They went through a bunch of different owners, maybe
>one iteration of the company was in Reno, who knows.
The factory in West Allis even had the script lettering "Excalibur" on
the front of the building. That building has been razed.
>
>1980's until present is when the factory was in Wisconsin, maybe
>earlier. When was the Reno factory there?
>
>Dave Hinz
On 30 Apr 2004 01:06:17 GMT, GTO69RA4 <[email protected]> wrote:
> Years ago,
>>my mom did interiors for the Excalibur Autos company (high-end,
>>nice looking nearly-custom cars).
>
> Wasn't that the company in the early '80s that made those antique-style
> pimpmobiles?
Dunno, are you thinking these:
http://images.google.com/images?q=excalibur%20auto
Mostly off-the-shelf GM parts, except of course for the body and interior.
Never drove one, and I saw the other day that they've torn down the old
factory.
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 02:06:03 GMT, Lazarus Long <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 30 Apr 2004 01:33:41 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Mostly off-the-shelf GM parts, except of course for the body and interior.
>>Never drove one, and I saw the other day that they've torn down the old
>>factory.
>
> Which happens to be across the street from a Woodcraft. That area's
> been getting revitalized a bit.
Ah, see, so we _are_ on-topic after all. I'm so relieved.
Anywhere other than Woodcraft or Rockler in the area to get interesting
lumber, by any chance? There used to be that place out on highway J,
smoky hollow or something, but they're not there anymore.
Dave Hinz
On 30 Apr 2004 12:44:30 -0700, Hylourgos <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>>
>> Ah, see, so we _are_ on-topic after all. I'm so relieved.
>
> You guys have lost me. Excaliburs were made in Sparks NV, and only
> there if I was informed correctly when I visited the place.
Sounds like you were lied to, or it's a different Excalibur, or
it predated the factory here.
> I grew up
> in Reno, but it doesn't sound like you guys are talking about
> Reno/Sparks. So where was this other factory?
Is (was) in, what is that, West Allis, Wisconsin I think. Pretty
sure it existed, since my mom set up their upholstery department
and all. They went through a bunch of different owners, maybe
one iteration of the company was in Reno, who knows.
1980's until present is when the factory was in Wisconsin, maybe
earlier. When was the Reno factory there?
Dave Hinz
On 30 Apr 2004 02:12:48 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 02:06:03 GMT, Lazarus Long <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 30 Apr 2004 01:33:41 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Mostly off-the-shelf GM parts, except of course for the body and interior.
>>>Never drove one, and I saw the other day that they've torn down the old
>>>factory.
>>
>> Which happens to be across the street from a Woodcraft. That area's
>> been getting revitalized a bit.
>
>Ah, see, so we _are_ on-topic after all. I'm so relieved.
>
>Anywhere other than Woodcraft or Rockler in the area to get interesting
>lumber, by any chance? There used to be that place out on highway J,
>smoky hollow or something, but they're not there anymore.
>
>
>Dave Hinz
That was Punkin' Hollow Wood & Tool Store. They've been gone for
years. Kettle Moraine Hardwood is the place to go now. They've got a
location in Hartland and one in Caledonia.
On 30 Apr 2004 01:33:41 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 30 Apr 2004 01:06:17 GMT, GTO69RA4 <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Years ago,
>>>my mom did interiors for the Excalibur Autos company (high-end,
>>>nice looking nearly-custom cars).
>>
>> Wasn't that the company in the early '80s that made those antique-style
>> pimpmobiles?
>
>Dunno, are you thinking these:
>http://images.google.com/images?q=excalibur%20auto
>
>Mostly off-the-shelf GM parts, except of course for the body and interior.
>Never drove one, and I saw the other day that they've torn down the old
>factory.
>
Which happens to be across the street from a Woodcraft. That area's
been getting revitalized a bit.
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:06:03 GMT, S R <> wrote:
> I've never heard of a machine designed to sew through plywood...
> Now that is scary...
"Juki Industrial" at www.juki.co.jp is where this one was
from. Of course the models have changed, but think of a machine with a 24"
reach, that can exert that much downard force. Lots of metal there.
Dave "...and all of it trying to bite you..." Hinz
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Dave Hinz writes:
>
> >"Juki Industrial" at www.juki.co.jp is where this one was
> >from. Of course the models have changed, but think of a machine with a
24"
>
> Phew. Juki made my second computer printer. Long time ago.
>
They made mine too. A daisy wheel. First was an Epson RX-80. (Too cheap for
an FX model). I'd start printing my stuff at 10pm and let it run all night.
Took all night - that thing was *slow*.
On Sat, 01 May 2004 12:19:41 GMT, B a r r y
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 01 May 2004 03:03:53 GMT, Mark & Juanita
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Microsloth Word that embeds all codes in the paragraph end -- and you can't
>>get at most of the codes. I do not like software that takes judgement on
>>what I write and decides that I really meant to format it *this* way.
>
>You can shut all kinds of auto formatting off in Word
>
Yeah, but there are still times when something gets into a paragraph or
document and *insists* that is how you want to format the document. Often
the only way to get rid of the persistent formatting is to delete the
entire paragraph and re-type it. Sometimes you can get away with "paste as
text" after the delete, but I have encountered cases where that does not
happen.
What was really handy with Word Perfect is that you were able to turn on
the feature to show *all* codes. You could then edit the offending code.
>> The WP commands would let you left and right justify on the same line,
>>too. That was really handy for setting up headers and footers.
>
>Word does this as well, in the header / footer dialog box. I often
>right justify one piece of information and left justify another in the
>same header or footer, sometimes with a third centered.
>
On the same line? The only way I have found to do that is to create a
table with 3 columns, justifying each column as needed, then hiding the
lines. Now, Excel will let you do that on the same line.
BTW, this is not just me, our technical pubs guy goes through absolute
fits at time when Word absolutely *insists* he really meant to place that
picture in such and such a way and yes, that text must abolutely be
indented.
>Barry
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:33:28 GMT, "Wood Butcher" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I missed those dot commands. Especially for inserting frequently
>used ugly text strings like "Gopherus Agassizi" where a simple .ga
>made life easier.
>
I really miss the "view codes" command available in WordPerfect. Your
text was indented and you didn't know way, simply set the "reveal codes"
option, find the offending "indent" command and delete it. Unlike
Microsloth Word that embeds all codes in the paragraph end -- and you can't
get at most of the codes. I do not like software that takes judgement on
what I write and decides that I really meant to format it *this* way.
The WP commands would let you left and right justify on the same line,
too. That was really handy for setting up headers and footers.
>Then I found RoboType and life is better again. It works in other
>programs than word processors too; spreadsheets, email, internet
>forms, and login screens, to name a few.
>http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,427373,00.asp
>
>Art
>
>"Charlie Self" wrote in message ...
>>
><snip>
>> Written in WordStar. You did not want to screw up the dot commands!
>>
>
On Sat, 01 May 2004 08:51:08 -0700,
[email protected] brought forth from the murky
depths:
>reveal codes was definitely a nice feature of word perfect.
You misspelled "the only nice feature" Bridgy.
Ever try to troubleshoot M$ Wurd indented/numeric list docs?
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh! I'd -almost- prefer to use poly on some
poor and unsuspecting wood.
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Larry Jaques writes:
>
>>reveal codes was definitely a nice feature of word perfect.
>
>You misspelled "the only nice feature" Bridgy.
>Ever try to troubleshoot M$ Wurd indented/numeric list docs?
>Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh! I'd -almost- prefer to use poly on some
>poor and unsuspecting wood.
Yeah. Recently, I decided on a new set up for tracking article queries. Try
dealing with changes in format and color when using the numeric lists inside a
table. Holy Susannah! (York,that is.)
I got it done, but I'll be dipped it I can tell you how at this point.
Charlie Self
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich." Napoleon Bonaparte
mttt responds:
>> Dave Hinz writes:
>>
>> >"Juki Industrial" at www.juki.co.jp is where this one was
>> >from. Of course the models have changed, but think of a machine with a
>24"
>>
>> Phew. Juki made my second computer printer. Long time ago.
>>
>
>They made mine too. A daisy wheel. First was an Epson RX-80. (Too cheap for
>an FX model). I'd start printing my stuff at 10pm and let it run all night.
>Took all night - that thing was *slow*.
Yes, it was. I sometimes think of that when I lean over and growl because my
current inkjet can often take 10-15 seconds to deliver its first page. I'd
write a book and feed it into the Juki and pick up the manuscript hours later.
Written in WordStar. You did not want to screw up the dot commands!
Charlie Self
"I am confident that the Republican Party will pick a nominee that will beat
Bill Clinton." Dan Quayle
On Sat, 22 May 2004 07:58:30 -0400, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>B a r r y wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 02 May 2004 03:40:49 GMT, Mark & Juanita
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hmmm, I'm using Word 2002, and I'm not seeing it. I see an "autotext"
>>>insertion option that sort of does that, but does not individually justify
>>>each element on the line.
>>
>> I'll check my work machine tomorrow and let you know the steps. This
>> computer has Office '95 on it.
>
>Simple way to do it in Word is with tabs. Word has tabs that are
>left-aligned, right-aligned, and center-aligned. Put a right-aligned tab
>at the right margin and a center-aligned tab at the center and you're
>there.
>
>OpenOffice does the same thing.
>
Thanks, I just tried that, it does do what I want. Hadn't tried
that before, it's not obvious to the casual observer. :-)
>> Barry
On Sun, 02 May 2004 00:39:27 GMT, B a r r y
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>Word does this as well, in the header / footer dialog box. I often
>>>right justify one piece of information and left justify another in the
>>>same header or footer, sometimes with a third centered.
>>>
>>
>> On the same line?
>
>Yeah.
>
>Check out "View Header / Footer" / "Custom"
>
>I think it showed up in Office '97, but it may have come later.
>
>Barry
Hmmm, I'm using Word 2002, and I'm not seeing it. I see an "autotext"
insertion option that sort of does that, but does not individually justify
each element on the line.
On Sat, 01 May 2004 10:39:19 -0500, Joe Wells <[email protected]>
wrote:
>If you've never used WP reveal codes, then you just don't understand.
>Using reveal codes is much like formatting a document with html, only
>reveal codes is more powerful.
I know what they are, and how they work. <G>
WYSISYG is still preferable to me.
Barry
On Sun, 02 May 2004 04:52:54 +0000, Mark & Juanita wrote:
> Actually, at least for those of us doing technical reports and
> documents,
> the 5.x series of Word Perfect had features that facilitated generation of
> those documents that are no longer present in any word processor
> available today. When WP went to it's 6.x series, they lobotomized the
> product, removing exactly the features that were most useful to me. Word?
> It never had them and still doesn't.
I always used the *roff *nix markup tools for technical docs...
-Doug
--
"A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always
depend on the support of Paul." - George Bernard Shaw
I missed those dot commands. Especially for inserting frequently
used ugly text strings like "Gopherus Agassizi" where a simple .ga
made life easier.
Then I found RoboType and life is better again. It works in other
programs than word processors too; spreadsheets, email, internet
forms, and login screens, to name a few.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,427373,00.asp
Art
"Charlie Self" wrote in message ...
>
<snip>
> Written in WordStar. You did not want to screw up the dot commands!
>
"Mark Jerde" <[email protected]> wrote in news:nAXkc.14342
[email protected]:
> Mark & Juanita wrote:
>
>> Often the only way to get rid of the persistent
>> formatting is to delete the entire paragraph and re-type it.
>
> Steve Miller's "PureText" is one of the first things that goes on anay
> computer I'm using. I use it all the time taking text from one Word
> document to another, avoiding all the style hassles.
>
> http://www.stevemiller.net/puretext/
>
> -- Mark
>
In word there is a way to assign to Ctrl-V a paste without formatting.
Create a new macro which just consists of edit|paste special, and assign
it to Ctrl-V. Now shift insert will paste formatted and ctrl-V
unformatted text.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
B a r r y wrote:
> On Sun, 02 May 2004 03:40:49 GMT, Mark & Juanita
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> Hmmm, I'm using Word 2002, and I'm not seeing it. I see an "autotext"
>>insertion option that sort of does that, but does not individually justify
>>each element on the line.
>
> I'll check my work machine tomorrow and let you know the steps. This
> computer has Office '95 on it.
Simple way to do it in Word is with tabs. Word has tabs that are
left-aligned, right-aligned, and center-aligned. Put a right-aligned tab
at the right margin and a center-aligned tab at the center and you're
there.
OpenOffice does the same thing.
> Barry
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
On Sat, 01 May 2004 20:48:47 -0700, Larry Jaques
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 01 May 2004 08:51:08 -0700,
>[email protected] brought forth from the murky
>depths:
>
>>reveal codes was definitely a nice feature of word perfect.
>
>You misspelled "the only nice feature" Bridgy.
>Ever try to troubleshoot M$ Wurd indented/numeric list docs?
>Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh! I'd -almost- prefer to use poly on some
>poor and unsuspecting wood.
>
Actually, at least for those of us doing technical reports and documents,
the 5.x series of Word Perfect had features that facilitated generation of
those documents that are no longer present in any word processor available
today. When WP went to it's 6.x series, they lobotomized the product,
removing exactly the features that were most useful to me. Word? It never
had them and still doesn't.
> -----
>= The wealth of reality, cannot be seen from your locality. =
>http://www.diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development
"B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Word does this as well, in the header / footer dialog box. I often
> right justify one piece of information and left justify another in the
> same header or footer, sometimes with a third centered.
>
> Barry
Not to mention True Type fonts. I sure don't miss the good old days.
I think I may still have a set of Word Star for DOS disks around and I'll
sell them for less than the original $400 price.
Ed
On Sat, 01 May 2004 10:39:19 -0500, Joe Wells <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Sat, 01 May 2004 12:19:41 +0000, B a r r y wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 01 May 2004 03:03:53 GMT, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Microsloth Word that embeds all codes in the paragraph end -- and you
>>>can't get at most of the codes. I do not like software that takes
>>>judgement on what I write and decides that I really meant to format it
>>>*this* way.
>>
>> You can shut all kinds of auto formatting off in Word
>>
>>> The WP commands would let you left and right justify on the same line,
>>>too. That was really handy for setting up headers and footers.
>>
>> Word does this as well, in the header / footer dialog box. I often right
>> justify one piece of information and left justify another in the same
>> header or footer, sometimes with a third centered.
>
>If you've never used WP reveal codes, then you just don't understand.
>Using reveal codes is much like formatting a document with html, only
>reveal codes is more powerful. I really, really hope that OpenOffice
>implements this someday. (Are we far enough off-topic yet?)
reveal codes was definitely a nice feature of word perfect.
bridger writes:
>reveal codes was definitely a nice feature of word perfect.
I also liked the "insert and close" command for symbols. Put your dollar sign
in with that and go back to typing. Word takes 2 commands, with a blink or 2
between them. A real PITA when you're using a lot of symbols.
Charlie Self
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich." Napoleon Bonaparte
On Sat, 01 May 2004 03:03:53 GMT, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Microsloth Word that embeds all codes in the paragraph end -- and you can't
>get at most of the codes. I do not like software that takes judgement on
>what I write and decides that I really meant to format it *this* way.
You can shut all kinds of auto formatting off in Word
> The WP commands would let you left and right justify on the same line,
>too. That was really handy for setting up headers and footers.
Word does this as well, in the header / footer dialog box. I often
right justify one piece of information and left justify another in the
same header or footer, sometimes with a third centered.
Barry
Mark & Juanita wrote:
> Often the only way to get rid of the persistent
> formatting is to delete the entire paragraph and re-type it.
Steve Miller's "PureText" is one of the first things that goes on anay
computer I'm using. I use it all the time taking text from one Word
document to another, avoiding all the style hassles.
http://www.stevemiller.net/puretext/
-- Mark
On Sat, 01 May 2004 03:03:53 GMT, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:33:28 GMT, "Wood Butcher" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I missed those dot commands. Especially for inserting frequently
>>used ugly text strings like "Gopherus Agassizi" where a simple .ga
>>made life easier.
>>
>
> I really miss the "view codes" command available in WordPerfect. Your
>text was indented and you didn't know way, simply set the "reveal codes"
>option, find the offending "indent" command and delete it. Unlike
>Microsloth Word that embeds all codes in the paragraph end -- and you can't
>get at most of the codes. I do not like software that takes judgement on
>what I write and decides that I really meant to format it *this* way.
>
> The WP commands would let you left and right justify on the same line,
>too. That was really handy for setting up headers and footers.
All still there in WordPerfect - which is why I still use it despite
all the conversion hassles with people who think that the world begins
and ends with MS.
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
Tim Douglass responds:
>> I really miss the "view codes" command available in WordPerfect. Your
>>text was indented and you didn't know way, simply set the "reveal codes"
>>option, find the offending "indent" command and delete it. Unlike
>>Microsloth Word that embeds all codes in the paragraph end -- and you can't
>>get at most of the codes. I do not like software that takes judgement on
>>what I write and decides that I really meant to format it *this* way.
>>
>> The WP commands would let you left and right justify on the same line,
>>too. That was really handy for setting up headers and footers.
>
>All still there in WordPerfect - which is why I still use it despite
>all the conversion hassles with people who think that the world begins
>and ends with MS.
>
I've forgotten most of the WP commands now...or shuffled them way back. I don't
know of a single editor these days who will accept a WP document, so there's
not much chance of my making a return.
Charlie Self
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich." Napoleon Bonaparte
In article <[email protected]>,
Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
>Tim Douglass responds:
>
>>> I really miss the "view codes" command available in WordPerfect. Your
>>>text was indented and you didn't know way, simply set the "reveal codes"
>>>option, find the offending "indent" command and delete it. Unlike
>>>Microsloth Word that embeds all codes in the paragraph end -- and you can't
>>>get at most of the codes. I do not like software that takes judgement on
>>>what I write and decides that I really meant to format it *this* way.
>>>
>>> The WP commands would let you left and right justify on the same line,
>>>too. That was really handy for setting up headers and footers.
>>
>>All still there in WordPerfect - which is why I still use it despite
>>all the conversion hassles with people who think that the world begins
>>and ends with MS.
>>
>
>I've forgotten most of the WP commands now...or shuffled them way back. I don't
>know of a single editor these days who will accept a WP document, so there's
>not much chance of my making a return.
Modern versions of WordPerfect will output in many file formats. Including
MS-Word. WP will even _read_ files generated by MS-Word.
WP's advantages over MS-Word become more apparent, the larger the document
is, the more complex the document is, and the more structured the document
formatting is.
Oddly enough, WP _still_ practically owns the market for word-processing
in lawyers offices. And among people doing grant proposals.
On Sat, 01 May 2004 21:10:02 GMT, "Mark Jerde"
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>Robert Bonomi wrote:
>
>> Oddly enough, WP _still_ practically owns the market for
>> word-processing in lawyers offices.
>
>I have read that the reason is the huge number of extant legalese WP
>document templates.
That and more billable time trying to figure out what that
blasted Word Imperfect did to your document THIS time...
-----
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In article <[email protected]>, novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com wrote:
>On Sat, 01 May 2004 21:10:02 GMT, "Mark Jerde"
><[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>
>>Robert Bonomi wrote:
>>
>>> Oddly enough, WP _still_ practically owns the market for
>>> word-processing in lawyers offices.
>>
>>I have read that the reason is the huge number of extant legalese WP
>>document templates.
>
>That and more billable time trying to figure out what that
>blasted Word Imperfect did to your document THIS time...
>
No, that happens only to MS-Word users. In the first place, it's a very rare
event for WordPerfect to produce the random, out-of-the-blue formatting
foulups that are the unpleasant but inevitable result of using Word, made no
less obnoxious by the disturbing frequency with which they occur. And when
they do happen in WP, the Reveal Codes feature makes it trivially easy to
figure out why, *and* to repair the damage quickly -- in stark contrast to
Word in all respects.
--
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On Sat, 01 May 2004 12:19:41 +0000, B a r r y wrote:
> On Sat, 01 May 2004 03:03:53 GMT, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>Microsloth Word that embeds all codes in the paragraph end -- and you
>>can't get at most of the codes. I do not like software that takes
>>judgement on what I write and decides that I really meant to format it
>>*this* way.
>
> You can shut all kinds of auto formatting off in Word
>
>> The WP commands would let you left and right justify on the same line,
>>too. That was really handy for setting up headers and footers.
>
> Word does this as well, in the header / footer dialog box. I often right
> justify one piece of information and left justify another in the same
> header or footer, sometimes with a third centered.
If you've never used WP reveal codes, then you just don't understand.
Using reveal codes is much like formatting a document with html, only
reveal codes is more powerful. I really, really hope that OpenOffice
implements this someday. (Are we far enough off-topic yet?)
--
Joe Wells
>>Word does this as well, in the header / footer dialog box. I often
>>right justify one piece of information and left justify another in the
>>same header or footer, sometimes with a third centered.
>>
>
> On the same line?
Yeah.
Check out "View Header / Footer" / "Custom"
I think it showed up in Office '97, but it may have come later.
Barry
On Sun, 02 May 2004 03:40:49 GMT, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Hmmm, I'm using Word 2002, and I'm not seeing it. I see an "autotext"
>insertion option that sort of does that, but does not individually justify
>each element on the line.
I'll check my work machine tomorrow and let you know the steps. This
computer has Office '95 on it.
Barry
On Sat, 01 May 2004 16:19:18 GMT, B a r r y
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 01 May 2004 10:39:19 -0500, Joe Wells <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>If you've never used WP reveal codes, then you just don't understand.
>>Using reveal codes is much like formatting a document with html, only
>>reveal codes is more powerful.
>
>I know what they are, and how they work. <G>
>
>WYSISYG is still preferable to me.
WP is fully WYSIWYG, but with the press of a button you can see *why*
your formatting is going haywire. Word aggravates me because they
assume it will always work out fine and in complex stuff it only takes
a moment to mess it up then you end up having to cut everything out,
convert to plain text to lose the imbedded codes (which are there in
Word, just hidden), paste back in and re-do your formatting.
WordPerfect is a tagged formatting language with a nice WYSIWYG editor
on it, Word is an I don't know what, but from a power user POV it is
pathetic.
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
Dave Hinz writes:
>"Juki Industrial" at www.juki.co.jp is where this one was
>from. Of course the models have changed, but think of a machine with a 24"
Phew. Juki made my second computer printer. Long time ago.
Charlie Self
"I am confident that the Republican Party will pick a nominee that will beat
Bill Clinton." Dan Quayle
"mttt" <[email protected]> wrote in news:078am1-81g.ln1
@armada.sprintco.bbn.net:
Anyone have an old Epson printer with a current loop interface? We have a
scintillation counter that would do just fine, but there is no way to look
at the data since our printer went belly up ...
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Roy Smith <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Wow, what a blast from the past. One of those big Beckmann monsters
> with a teletype sitting on the top? I havn't seen one of those in
> years, but I've still got the PM tube from one of them as a desk
> ornament.
No this one is very modern, with an orange formica divided, sidehinged
top to access the sample compartment.
> Anyway, you want something like
> http://www.buyconverter.com/current_loop_converters/index.asp to
> convert from the CL interface to RS-232.
Thanks a zillion. I printed that page, because we're having trouble
with the replacement table top Beckman LS 7600 (??).
> I guess I'm showing my age, though,
The one (Packard?) I remember from the old times (when I was trying to
get a Dutch Master's degree, '66-'69) had bunches of Nixie (??sp) tubes
with flickering numbers. Believe it or not, back then they had a
hairdryer mounted in a hood to evaporate the toluene-based scintillation
fluid, so as to reduce the volume of radioactive waste.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Sat, 01 May 2004 01:11:12 GMT, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone have an old Epson printer with a current loop interface? We
>> have a scintillation counter that would do just fine, but there is no
>> way to look at the data since our printer went belly up ...
>
> I've got a few Epsons in the basement - have been buying them for
> (yikes) 24 years, and can't bear to throw them away because, well,
> none of them are broken, it's just that I buy a newer, aster, better
> Epson printer to replace them.
>
> What does the "current loop interface" plug look like? I'd be happy
> to have a look.
>
> Dave Hinz
>
I can't quite describe it. If your email address is working, I'd like to
email you a picture early next week. May I? My address is
j dot broekman about verizon dot net.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
On Sat, 01 May 2004 01:11:12 GMT, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Anyone have an old Epson printer with a current loop interface? We have a
> scintillation counter that would do just fine, but there is no way to look
> at the data since our printer went belly up ...
I've got a few Epsons in the basement - have been buying them for (yikes)
24 years, and can't bear to throw them away because, well, none of them
are broken, it's just that I buy a newer, aster, better Epson printer
to replace them.
What does the "current loop interface" plug look like? I'd be happy to
have a look.
Dave Hinz
On Sat, 01 May 2004 02:05:43 GMT, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>>
>> What does the "current loop interface" plug look like? I'd be happy
>> to have a look.
>>
> I can't quite describe it. If your email address is working, I'd like to
> email you a picture early next week. May I?
You bet; my address works, & I have a fast connection, so images
are just fine. Thanks for asking, though...nothing worse than being
on dialup and getting a several megabyte email from someone. No
guarantees, but I've got lots of stuff down there...
Dave
"Han" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "mttt" <[email protected]> wrote in news:078am1-81g.ln1
> @armada.sprintco.bbn.net:
>
> Anyone have an old Epson printer with a current loop interface? We have a
> scintillation counter that would do just fine, but there is no way to look
> at the data since our printer went belly up ...
>
Ack! Thanks for the trip down memory lane. Iodine 125 was where I spent a
few years in the beginning of my career.
In article <[email protected]>,
Han <[email protected]> wrote:
> "mttt" <[email protected]> wrote in news:078am1-81g.ln1
> @armada.sprintco.bbn.net:
>
> Anyone have an old Epson printer with a current loop interface? We have a
> scintillation counter that would do just fine, but there is no way to look
> at the data since our printer went belly up ...
Wow, what a blast from the past. One of those big Beckmann monsters
with a teletype sitting on the top? I havn't seen one of those in
years, but I've still got the PM tube from one of them as a desk
ornament.
Anyway, you want something like
http://www.buyconverter.com/current_loop_converters/index.asp to convert
from the CL interface to RS-232. I guess I'm showing my age, though,
because I used to think of RS-232 as "modern". These days, it's almost
as pre-historic as current loop. Most printers you can buy today will
be USB or ethernet or firewire or bluetooth or some such. The last
couple of computers I've bought haven't even had RS-232 ports on them.
Oh, yeah, there actually is a tie-in to woodworking. Those old Beckmann
scintillation counters had a nice walnut veneer front to them. Well,
maybe it was really formica, but it looked like walnut veneer :-)
On 30 Apr 2004 12:40:39 -0700, Hylourgos <[email protected]> wrote:
> Did you live in Sparks?
Me? Nope. Screwed a few things up over the years which involved
making sparks (or magic smoke), but never lived there.
Dave
Philip Lewis wrote:
> Tim Douglass <[email protected]> writes:
>>mom's Singer. Probably wouldn't have been so bad if I hadn't jerked
>>away and ripped all three out through the side of my finger. Made a
>>pretty ugly mess.
>
> heh... i've broke sewing machine needles off in my thumb... twice.
> (guess i never learn) score one for the "meaty" hands! (or is it a
> score for the sewing machine?)
>
> it's isn't recommended, let me tell you.
>
> I think my wife's husqvarna might fair better if it were to happen
> again. i could end up with a neatly embroidered hand. ;)
FWIW, I've seen industrial machines that will go through aluminum and
plywood. I suspect that one of those with the right needle would have gone
right through your thumb, bone and all.
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
"mel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> "I'll do it for you. That's a 2hp motor on that sewing machine and it'll
eat
> you alive," he said to me.
>
Wife's got one. She's a designer. That thing scares me more than any power
tool I have. Even more than a 3" panel rasing bit in a Craftsman router,
with no speed control... :)
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:11:35 -0500, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"mel" wrote in message
>
>> I just looked at him and smiled and said ok but I was thinking to
>myself....
>> "Are you really serious? I'm sure that machine is worthy of the proper
>> respect but c'mon... you want to talk about the ability to be eaten alive
>> come play with my stuff."
>
>Accch ... I don't know, maybe it's the needles, but my toes curl up and my
>skin crawls just thinking about what can happen with that sewing machine ...
>I'll take my chances with a table saw or router table any day.
>
>AAMOF, I still recall having an unreasonable, but healthy respect for mom's
>old Singer.
When I was about 10 I put 3 stitches in the side of my finger with my
mom's Singer. Probably wouldn't have been so bad if I hadn't jerked
away and ripped all three out through the side of my finger. Made a
pretty ugly mess.
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
In article <[email protected]>,
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:22:51 GMT, mel <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > "I'll do it for you. That's a 2hp motor on that sewing machine and it'll eat
> > you alive," he said to me.
> >
> > I just looked at him and smiled and said ok but I was thinking to myself....
> > "Are you really serious? I'm sure that machine is worthy of the proper
> > respect but c'mon... you want to talk about the ability to be eaten alive
> > come play with my stuff."
>
> Oh, I'm chuckling, but not for the reason you are. Years ago,
> my mom did interiors for the Excalibur Autos company (high-end,
> nice looking nearly-custom cars). One day, things got a bit out
> of control, and she ended up with a few stitches in her thumb.
> From the machine. Lock-stitched through the bone.
>
> The ER doc was actually pretty impressed at how neat the stitches
> were. An industrial sewing machine, designed to sew through 1/2"
> plywood, can do a number on you, especially when it has a mechanism
> whose main purpose is to pull the workpiece into the sharp bits.
You should see the sewing machines sailmakers (i.e. guys who build sails
for sailboats). Some of the needles are hollow and run compressed air
through the middle for cooling.
There are lots of industrial machines out there which have the capacity
to kill and maim. I used to have a friend who worked in a print shop.
They had a paper cutter which could cut a ream of paper in half without
even slowing down. It probably wouldn't slow down cutting your hand off
either. To make sure the operator didn't put their hands in the way, it
had two switches (i.e. one for each hand) which had to be operated
simultaneously, about 4 feet away from each other, each one hidden by a
guard. I'm sure there were clever idiots who figured out how to defeat
the safety mechanism.
Roy Smith writes:
>There are lots of industrial machines out there which have the capacity
>to kill and maim. I used to have a friend who worked in a print shop.
>They had a paper cutter which could cut a ream of paper in half without
>even slowing down. It probably wouldn't slow down cutting your hand off
>either. To make sure the operator didn't put their hands in the way, it
>had two switches (i.e. one for each hand) which had to be operated
>simultaneously, about 4 feet away from each other, each one hidden by a
>guard. I'm sure there were clever idiots who figured out how to defeat
>the safety mechanism.
Those things were fun. I used one for a year or so, in a print shop. The thing
would slice through a 30" wide stack of paper 500 sheets thick, as you say,
without slowing down. It had guards, but that was long enough ago that I don't
recall exactly how they were guarded--I think one below the table had to be
pushed in and up, while the actual actuating switch had to be pulled down from
the right. Four feet does sound about right. That was one scary sumbitch.
Charlie Self
"I am confident that the Republican Party will pick a nominee that will beat
Bill Clinton." Dan Quayle
[email protected] (Charlie Self) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Roy Smith writes:
>
> >There are lots of industrial machines out there which have the capacity
> >to kill and maim. I used to have a friend who worked in a print shop.
> >They had a paper cutter which could cut a ream of paper in half without
> >even slowing down. It probably wouldn't slow down cutting your hand off
> >either. To make sure the operator didn't put their hands in the way, it
> >had two switches (i.e. one for each hand) which had to be operated
> >simultaneously, about 4 feet away from each other, each one hidden by a
> >guard. I'm sure there were clever idiots who figured out how to defeat
> >the safety mechanism.
>
> Those things were fun. I used one for a year or so, in a print shop. The thing
> would slice through a 30" wide stack of paper 500 sheets thick, as you say,
> without slowing down. It had guards, but that was long enough ago that I don't
> recall exactly how they were guarded--I think one below the table had to be
> pushed in and up, while the actual actuating switch had to be pulled down from
> the right. Four feet does sound about right. That was one scary sumbitch.
>
> Charlie Self
Most metal drop shears are scarier. A shear that chops 12' (yes feet)
x 1/4" sheet steel wouldn't even notice flesh and bone. Heck even a
12ga capacity machine is in the same boat. And since those are
mechanical with fly wheels it's not a gentle hydraulic motion -- push
the pedal and wham it's over -- total cycle time less than 1 second.
Line steel up, count fingers, push pedal, count fingers. Call 911 if
count changes. Repeat as necessary.
As far as paper things go I was alway freaked out by the over-sew
machines used in book binderies. Stitches right through that 3" text
book no problem.
hex
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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Charlie Self) wrote:
> Roy Smith writes:
>
> >There are lots of industrial machines out there which have the capacity
> >to kill and maim. I used to have a friend who worked in a print shop.
> >They had a paper cutter which could cut a ream of paper in half without
> >even slowing down. It probably wouldn't slow down cutting your hand off
> >either. To make sure the operator didn't put their hands in the way, it
> >had two switches (i.e. one for each hand) which had to be operated
> >simultaneously, about 4 feet away from each other, each one hidden by a
> >guard. I'm sure there were clever idiots who figured out how to defeat
> >the safety mechanism.
>
> Those things were fun. I used one for a year or so, in a print shop. The thing
> would slice through a 30" wide stack of paper 500 sheets thick, as you say,
> without slowing down. It had guards, but that was long enough ago that I don't
> recall exactly how they were guarded--I think one below the table had to be
> pushed in and up, while the actual actuating switch had to be pulled down from
> the right. Four feet does sound about right. That was one scary sumbitch.
>
> Charlie Self
> "I am confident that the Republican Party will pick a nominee that will beat
> Bill Clinton." Dan Quayle
I was at my favorite scrap yard a couple of weeks ago. In the back they
had a Cinnicinati brake (used for forming metal). Must have been 10 feet
high by 12-15 feet long. Had a nice little sign telling you not to put
your hands under the brake bar.
david
David Penner writes:
>I was at my favorite scrap yard a couple of weeks ago. In the back they
>had a Cinnicinati brake (used for forming metal). Must have been 10 feet
>high by 12-15 feet long. Had a nice little sign telling you not to put
>your hands under the brake bar.
Now that would provide the absolute ultimate in limp wrists.
Charlie Self
"I am confident that the Republican Party will pick a nominee that will beat
Bill Clinton." Dan Quayle
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> David Penner writes:
>
> >I was at my favorite scrap yard a couple of weeks ago. In the back they
> >had a Cinnicinati brake (used for forming metal). Must have been 10 feet
> >high by 12-15 feet long. Had a nice little sign telling you not to put
> >your hands under the brake bar.
>
> Now that would provide the absolute ultimate in limp wrists.
Ayup.
In one of my former "lives", maintenance in a sheet metal products factory,
helped prepare for installation of a 500ton press brake. If'n my memory
doesn't fail me, this was the approx. size of it, plus the "bed", which was
about 6" thick, went about 2-2 1/2 ft. below baseline. Had to drill out old
1' thick concrete & 100yr. old packed dirt under it, form up for a new
concrete slab 18" thick with a 12' long, 12" wide, 3' deep hole in it to
accept that bed, a'la
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>
>
> Those things were fun. I used one for a year or so, in a print shop. The
thing
> would slice through a 30" wide stack of paper 500 sheets thick, as you
say,
> without slowing down. It had guards, but that was long enough ago that I
don't
> recall exactly how they were guarded--I think one below the table had to
be
> pushed in and up, while the actual actuating switch had to be pulled down
from
> the right. Four feet does sound about right. That was one scary sumbitch.
Had a small(er) one in the print shop where I was a 'devil. Had two levers,
at far left and far right. Both had to be pulled in, towards center, and
then the right was was pulled over n' down, not unlike First Gear on a three
speed (3 on the Tree).
Tim Douglass <[email protected]> writes:
[...]
> When I was about 10 I put 3 stitches in the side of my finger with my
> mom's Singer. Probably wouldn't have been so bad if I hadn't jerked
> away and ripped all three out through the side of my finger. Made a
> pretty ugly mess.
Exactlly, jerking away is the wrong option. When i out (at a similar
age) 3 stitches into my finger (through the finger nail) i just turned
tha hand wheel backward (my mother has a foot-operated Pfaff) and got
the thread out without further damage to the finger (also neither
thread nor needle had sustained any damage)so that i could resume my
sewing operation with minimal hassle.
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