mostly use my planer as a surface treatment and once complete requires
only a little sanding but i look at a drum sander and think that might
do the job too
with some coarse grit i would expect they could remove a lot of material
anyone have or use a drum sander
could a rough board maybe with paint and dents be quickly taken down
the open drum sander would be great since it allows much wider pieces to
be sanded
almost a doubling of capacity
know they are not silent but they have to be quieter than a planer
"dadiOH" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> dadiOH <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> A drum sander and a planer functionally overlap, but while
>>>> there are tasks suitable to both, many tasks are only
>>>> suitable for one or the other.
>>>>
>>>> One cannot reasonably replace a planer with a drum sander,
>>>> particularly for surfacing roughsawn lumber in any significant
>>>> amount.
>>>
>>> What is a "significant amount"? I've done at least 1000+ board feet with
>>> mine. Not all at once, just whatever I needed for the current project.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Do you have both a drum sander and planer/thicknesses to compare ? I have
>> a 15" stationary thicknesses and a 22/44" drum sander. The thicknesses
>> removes material about 15 times faster than the drum sander, but the
>> surface has to be sanded for final prep. It takes about 4 passes to
>> remove
>> 1/16" with my drum sander and each pass take 2-4 times longer than with
>> the thicknesses.
>
>No to planer and I am sure it is faster. As to how much I can remove per
>pass with the sander, depends on what wood and how wide. Using 40 grit
>abrasive, I could easily take off 1/16" at full speed on a 4" wide piece of
>butternut in one pass. To do the same on 12" oak would take 2, maybe 3,
>passes at around half speed.
>
>
And how many times can you do this before the sandpaper is just paper?
On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 7:16:51 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
> mostly use my planer as a surface treatment and once complete requires
> only a little sanding but i look at a drum sander and think that might
> do the job too
>
> with some coarse grit i would expect they could remove a lot of material
>
> anyone have or use a drum sander
>
> could a rough board maybe with paint and dents be quickly taken down
>
> the open drum sander would be great since it allows much wider pieces to
> be sanded
>
> almost a doubling of capacity
>
> know they are not silent but they have to be quieter than a planer
Take a picture of it so we can see how loud it is.
"dadiOH" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>"dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>>No to planer and I am sure it is faster. As to how much I can remove per
>>>>pass with the sander, depends on what wood and how wide. Using 40 grit
>>>>abrasive, I could easily take off 1/16" at full speed on a 4" wide piece
>>>>of
>>>>butternut in one pass. To do the same on 12" oak would take 2, maybe 3,
>>>>passes at around half speed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> And how many times can you do this before the sandpaper is just paper?
>>
>> Dozens and dozens. BTW, the abrasives are on cloth, "J" weight IIRC.
>
>Actually, 100s and 100s would be more accurate.
I've not had that experience with my performax, but then I typically
use it for finish (150->180->220) sanding and cleaning up the scallops
from the jointer/planer. The 220 strips don't last long before the grit is
ineffective/inefficient. Certainly not 100s of times. YMMV.
dadiOH <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> A drum sander and a planer functionally overlap, but while
>> there are tasks suitable to both, many tasks are only
>> suitable for one or the other.
>>
>> One cannot reasonably replace a planer with a drum sander,
>> particularly for surfacing roughsawn lumber in any significant
>> amount.
>
> What is a "significant amount"? I've done at least 1000+ board feet with
> mine. Not all at once, just whatever I needed for the current project.
>
>
>
Do you have both a drum sander and planer/thicknesses to compare ? I have
a 15" stationary thicknesses and a 22/44" drum sander. The thicknesses
removes material about 15 times faster than the drum sander, but the
surface has to be sanded for final prep. It takes about 4 passes to remove
1/16" with my drum sander and each pass take 2-4 times longer than with
the thicknesses.
A drum sander and a planer functionally overlap, but while
there are tasks suitable to both, many tasks are only
suitable for one or the other.
One cannot reasonably replace a planer with a drum sander,
particularly for surfacing roughsawn lumber in any significant
amount.
Nor would one use the planer for fine surface prep.
"dadiOH" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>"Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> writes:
>>>
>>>"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> dadiOH <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>> A drum sander and a planer functionally overlap, but while
>>>>>> there are tasks suitable to both, many tasks are only
>>>>>> suitable for one or the other.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One cannot reasonably replace a planer with a drum sander,
>>>>>> particularly for surfacing roughsawn lumber in any significant
>>>>>> amount.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is a "significant amount"? I've done at least 1000+ board feet
>>>>> with
>>>>> mine. Not all at once, just whatever I needed for the current project.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you have both a drum sander and planer/thicknesses to compare ? I
>>>> have
>>>> a 15" stationary thicknesses and a 22/44" drum sander. The thicknesses
>>>> removes material about 15 times faster than the drum sander, but the
>>>> surface has to be sanded for final prep. It takes about 4 passes to
>>>> remove
>>>> 1/16" with my drum sander and each pass take 2-4 times longer than with
>>>> the thicknesses.
>>>
>>>No to planer and I am sure it is faster. As to how much I can remove per
>>>pass with the sander, depends on what wood and how wide. Using 40 grit
>>>abrasive, I could easily take off 1/16" at full speed on a 4" wide piece
1/16th isn't very much when your surfacing roughsawn number.
>>>of
>>>butternut in one pass. To do the same on 12" oak would take 2, maybe 3,
>>>passes at around half speed.
Slow, indeed.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And how many times can you do this before the sandpaper is just paper?
>
>Dozens and dozens. BTW, the abrasives are on cloth, "J" weight IIRC.
Like Leon, I have both a 15" planer (Jet) and the Performax 22-44
sander. Even a 36-grit sandpaper strip can't remove the same amount
of material that the planer can in a single pass, and time is money.
Sure, the sander will work, but it's not particuarly efficient.
On 6/29/2017 2:09 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> A drum sander and a planer functionally overlap, but while
> there are tasks suitable to both, many tasks are only
> suitable for one or the other.
>
> One cannot reasonably replace a planer with a drum sander,
> particularly for surfacing roughsawn lumber in any significant
> amount.
>
> Nor would one use the planer for fine surface prep.
>
Precisely on all counts. I have both and both do their jobs but not the
others jobs.
On 6/30/2017 10:37 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 6/30/17 6:25 AM, Leon wrote:
>> dadiOH <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> A drum sander and a planer functionally overlap, but while there
>>>> are tasks suitable to both, many tasks are only suitable for one
>>>> or the other.
>>>>
>>>> One cannot reasonably replace a planer with a drum sander,
>>>> particularly for surfacing roughsawn lumber in any significant amount.
>>>
>>> What is a "significant amount"? I've done at least 1000+ board
>>> feet with mine. Not all at once, just whatever I needed for the
>>> current project.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Do you have both a drum sander and planer/thicknesses to compare ? I
>> have a 15" stationary thicknesses and a 22/44" drum sander. The
>> thicknesses removes material about 15 times faster than the drum
>> sander, but the surface has to be sanded for final prep. It takes
>> about 4 passes to remove 1/16" with my drum sander and each pass take
>> 2-4 times longer than with the thicknesses.
>>
>
> I'd also take into consideration the wear on the sanding sleeves or
> belts or whatever they're called.
> You can removed exponentially more material per blade change than you
> can per sleeve change.
>
>
Exactly, I buy my sander rolls in bulk and cut to length my self. I
think I have the paper down to about $5~$6 each.
On 6/30/2017 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>
>>>>> No to planer and I am sure it is faster. As to how much I can remove per
>>>>> pass with the sander, depends on what wood and how wide. Using 40 grit
>>>>> abrasive, I could easily take off 1/16" at full speed on a 4" wide piece
>>>>> of
>>>>> butternut in one pass. To do the same on 12" oak would take 2, maybe 3,
>>>>> passes at around half speed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And how many times can you do this before the sandpaper is just paper?
>>>
>>> Dozens and dozens. BTW, the abrasives are on cloth, "J" weight IIRC.
>>
>> Actually, 100s and 100s would be more accurate.
>
> I've not had that experience with my performax, but then I typically
> use it for finish (150->180->220) sanding and cleaning up the scallops
> from the jointer/planer. The 220 strips don't last long before the grit is
> ineffective/inefficient. Certainly not 100s of times. YMMV.
>
The heavier grits on the drum sander do last quite a long time if you
are not taking deep passes. I can easily, like dadiOH, get hundreds of
passes. As you well know, the trick is to not get the paper too hot in
a spot. If you take light passes the paper will last quite a long time.
The finest that I use is 120 however.
"Electric Comet" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> mostly use my planer as a surface treatment and once complete requires
> only a little sanding but i look at a drum sander and think that might
> do the job too
>
> with some coarse grit i would expect they could remove a lot of material
>
> anyone have or use a drum sander
Yes
> could a rough board maybe with paint and dents be quickly taken down
Yes
On Thu, 29 Jun 2017 07:57:37 -0400
"dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yes
good and it seems to be much quieter than a planer
https://www.youtube.com/embed/yHy47X434rc
even spiral cut planers
"Electric Comet" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017 07:57:37 -0400
> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Yes
>
> good and it seems to be much quieter than a planer
It is, the necessary dust collector isn't.
"Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>A drum sander and a planer functionally overlap, but while
> there are tasks suitable to both, many tasks are only
> suitable for one or the other.
>
> One cannot reasonably replace a planer with a drum sander,
> particularly for surfacing roughsawn lumber in any significant
> amount.
What is a "significant amount"? I've done at least 1000+ board feet with
mine. Not all at once, just whatever I needed for the current project.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> dadiOH <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> "Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> A drum sander and a planer functionally overlap, but while
>>> there are tasks suitable to both, many tasks are only
>>> suitable for one or the other.
>>>
>>> One cannot reasonably replace a planer with a drum sander,
>>> particularly for surfacing roughsawn lumber in any significant
>>> amount.
>>
>> What is a "significant amount"? I've done at least 1000+ board feet with
>> mine. Not all at once, just whatever I needed for the current project.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Do you have both a drum sander and planer/thicknesses to compare ? I have
> a 15" stationary thicknesses and a 22/44" drum sander. The thicknesses
> removes material about 15 times faster than the drum sander, but the
> surface has to be sanded for final prep. It takes about 4 passes to
> remove
> 1/16" with my drum sander and each pass take 2-4 times longer than with
> the thicknesses.
No to planer and I am sure it is faster. As to how much I can remove per
pass with the sander, depends on what wood and how wide. Using 40 grit
abrasive, I could easily take off 1/16" at full speed on a 4" wide piece of
butternut in one pass. To do the same on 12" oak would take 2, maybe 3,
passes at around half speed.
On 6/30/17 6:25 AM, Leon wrote:
> dadiOH <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> "Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> A drum sander and a planer functionally overlap, but while there
>>> are tasks suitable to both, many tasks are only suitable for one
>>> or the other.
>>>
>>> One cannot reasonably replace a planer with a drum sander,
>>> particularly for surfacing roughsawn lumber in any significant
>>> amount.
>>
>> What is a "significant amount"? I've done at least 1000+ board
>> feet with mine. Not all at once, just whatever I needed for the
>> current project.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Do you have both a drum sander and planer/thicknesses to compare ? I
> have a 15" stationary thicknesses and a 22/44" drum sander. The
> thicknesses removes material about 15 times faster than the drum
> sander, but the surface has to be sanded for final prep. It takes
> about 4 passes to remove 1/16" with my drum sander and each pass take
> 2-4 times longer than with the thicknesses.
>
I'd also take into consideration the wear on the sanding sleeves or
belts or whatever they're called.
You can removed exponentially more material per blade change than you
can per sleeve change.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com
"Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> dadiOH <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> A drum sander and a planer functionally overlap, but while
>>>>> there are tasks suitable to both, many tasks are only
>>>>> suitable for one or the other.
>>>>>
>>>>> One cannot reasonably replace a planer with a drum sander,
>>>>> particularly for surfacing roughsawn lumber in any significant
>>>>> amount.
>>>>
>>>> What is a "significant amount"? I've done at least 1000+ board feet
>>>> with
>>>> mine. Not all at once, just whatever I needed for the current project.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Do you have both a drum sander and planer/thicknesses to compare ? I
>>> have
>>> a 15" stationary thicknesses and a 22/44" drum sander. The thicknesses
>>> removes material about 15 times faster than the drum sander, but the
>>> surface has to be sanded for final prep. It takes about 4 passes to
>>> remove
>>> 1/16" with my drum sander and each pass take 2-4 times longer than with
>>> the thicknesses.
>>
>>No to planer and I am sure it is faster. As to how much I can remove per
>>pass with the sander, depends on what wood and how wide. Using 40 grit
>>abrasive, I could easily take off 1/16" at full speed on a 4" wide piece
>>of
>>butternut in one pass. To do the same on 12" oak would take 2, maybe 3,
>>passes at around half speed.
>>
>>
>
> And how many times can you do this before the sandpaper is just paper?
Dozens and dozens. BTW, the abrasives are on cloth, "J" weight IIRC.
"dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> writes:
>>>
>>>"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> dadiOH <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>> A drum sander and a planer functionally overlap, but while
>>>>>> there are tasks suitable to both, many tasks are only
>>>>>> suitable for one or the other.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One cannot reasonably replace a planer with a drum sander,
>>>>>> particularly for surfacing roughsawn lumber in any significant
>>>>>> amount.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is a "significant amount"? I've done at least 1000+ board feet
>>>>> with
>>>>> mine. Not all at once, just whatever I needed for the current
>>>>> project.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you have both a drum sander and planer/thicknesses to compare ? I
>>>> have
>>>> a 15" stationary thicknesses and a 22/44" drum sander. The thicknesses
>>>> removes material about 15 times faster than the drum sander, but the
>>>> surface has to be sanded for final prep. It takes about 4 passes to
>>>> remove
>>>> 1/16" with my drum sander and each pass take 2-4 times longer than
>>>> with
>>>> the thicknesses.
>>>
>>>No to planer and I am sure it is faster. As to how much I can remove per
>>>pass with the sander, depends on what wood and how wide. Using 40 grit
>>>abrasive, I could easily take off 1/16" at full speed on a 4" wide piece
>>>of
>>>butternut in one pass. To do the same on 12" oak would take 2, maybe 3,
>>>passes at around half speed.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And how many times can you do this before the sandpaper is just paper?
>
> Dozens and dozens. BTW, the abrasives are on cloth, "J" weight IIRC.
Actually, 100s and 100s would be more accurate.