"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On May 15, 3:52 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Chris Friesen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > Leon wrote:
> >> "Chris Friesen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >>>Leon wrote:
>
> >>>>>http://www.woodworkingtips.com/etips/2009/05/14/ws/
>
> >>>>What's to stop you from inserting the saws with the teeth facing in?
>
> >>>If someone pulled down on the saw it could squish out the set of the
> >>>teeth.
>
> >> Gosh I hope not! Wouldn't that be the same action as ummm sawing a
> >> piece
> >> of
> >> wood?
>
> > Nope. As you pull the saw down, the dowel will roll and pinch the saw
> > teeth sideways.
>
> > When sawing, you don't have the sideways pinching.
>
> So you have never ever had a saw be pinched by a board? Very interesting
> to
> hear that has not happened to every one. ;~)
I did. It _flattened_ all of the teeth - I now use it as a comb. ;)
R
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On May 15, 12:50 pm, Chris Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:
> Leon wrote:
> > "Limp Arbor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:f6246023-2146-4f83-a880-b99e74a5c836@q14g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>Not a bad idea. I'm a little leery because the teeth are facing out
> >>and reaching for a different tool...
>
> >>http://www.woodworkingtips.com/etips/2009/05/14/ws/
> > What's to stop you from inserting the saws with the teeth facing in?
>
> If someone pulled down on the saw it could squish out the set of the teeth.
The dowel is wood, isn't it? And while the teeth are designed to cut
on the pull stroke (on Western saws at least), as you know from
starting a cut, they'll also cut on the pull stroke. It's really not
a concern that the dowel will damage the saw.
R
"Chris Friesen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Leon wrote:
>> "Limp Arbor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:f6246023-2146-4f83-a880-b99e74a5c836@q14g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>Not a bad idea. I'm a little leery because the teeth are facing out
>>>and reaching for a different tool...
>>>
>>>http://www.woodworkingtips.com/etips/2009/05/14/ws/
>
>> What's to stop you from inserting the saws with the teeth facing in?
>
> If someone pulled down on the saw it could squish out the set of the
> teeth.
>
> Chris
Gosh I hope not! Wouldn't that be the same action as ummm sawing a piece of
wood?
On 5/15/2009 12:33 PM Chris Friesen spake thus:
> RicodJour wrote:
>> On May 15, 12:50 pm, Chris Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Leon wrote:
>
>>>>What's to stop you from inserting the saws with the teeth facing in?
>>>
>>>If someone pulled down on the saw it could squish out the set of the teeth.
>
>> The dowel is wood, isn't it? And while the teeth are designed to cut
>> on the pull stroke (on Western saws at least), as you know from
>> starting a cut, they'll also cut on the pull stroke. It's really not
>> a concern that the dowel will damage the saw.
>
> As I mentioned in my reply to Leon, if you pull down on the saw the
> dowel will roll and pinch the saw blade tighter. This would be like
> squeezing the teeth sideways in a wooden vise.
As others have expressed, I wouldn't sweat it, given the relative
hardness difference betwixt a tool-steel saw and a hardwood dowel.
Besides, you're going to learn to pull up, not down, on the saw to
remove it.
Reminds me of the rather prissy advice not to store planes blade-down on
a wooden shelf. As someone else pointed out, planes spend their working
lives ... cutting face-down on wood. Parking one on a wood shelf isn't
going to damage it.
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On 5/15/2009 12:33 PM Chris Friesen spake thus:
> RicodJour wrote:
>> On May 15, 12:50 pm, Chris Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Leon wrote:
>
>>>>What's to stop you from inserting the saws with the teeth facing in?
>>>
>>>If someone pulled down on the saw it could squish out the set of the teeth.
>
>> The dowel is wood, isn't it? And while the teeth are designed to cut
>> on the pull stroke (on Western saws at least), as you know from
>> starting a cut, they'll also cut on the pull stroke. It's really not
>> a concern that the dowel will damage the saw.
>
> As I mentioned in my reply to Leon, if you pull down on the saw the
> dowel will roll and pinch the saw blade tighter. This would be like
> squeezing the teeth sideways in a wooden vise.
Surprised nobody's hit on the obvious solution to this problem: cut a
rebate into the dowels at the back end so they won't pinch the teeth.
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On 5/15/2009 7:08 AM mac davis spake thus:
> On Fri, 15 May 2009 04:18:12 -0700 (PDT), Limp Arbor <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>Not a bad idea. I'm a little leery because the teeth are facing out
>>and reaching for a different tool...
>>
>>http://www.woodworkingtips.com/etips/2009/05/14/ws/
>
> hmmmm... obviously designed before rare earth magnets were popular... lol
>
> I keep saws flat against a wall with magnets.. up high with handle down works
> for me..
I think this solution is more elegant, plus you can store more saws in
the same space.
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On 5/15/2009 1:06 PM RicodJour spake thus:
> On May 15, 3:33 pm, Chris Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> As I mentioned in my reply to Leon, if you pull down on the saw the
>> dowel will roll and pinch the saw blade tighter. This would be like
>> squeezing the teeth sideways in a wooden vise.
>
> There's also that thing called a learning curve. If you pull down on
> the saw it will make it difficult to remove the saw. The steeper your
> learning curve, the sooner you will learn to not pull down on the saw.
Conversely, if your learning curve is shallow, you're going to cut your
damn hand removing a saw waaay before you'd damage any teeth if they
were stored teeth-in.
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On May 15, 7:13=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> "RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> On May 15, 3:52 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > So you have never ever had a saw be pinched by a board? Very interestin=
g
> > to
> > hear that has not happened to every one. ;~)
>
> I did. =A0It _flattened_ all of the teeth - I now use it as a comb. =A0;)
>
> R
> ----------------------------
>
> You must not have much hair!
That's true, but the scabs make my scalp look dark so it looks like I
do.
R
On May 15, 3:33=A0pm, Chris Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> As I mentioned in my reply to Leon, if you pull down on the saw the
> dowel will roll and pinch the saw blade tighter. =A0This would be like
> squeezing the teeth sideways in a wooden vise.
Which would have the exact effect of impressing the tooth pattern on
the wood. Try it. Post a picture.
As Sancho Panza said, "Whether the stone hits the pitcher or the
pitcher hits the stone, it's going to be bad for the pitcher." He was
talking about his wife.
There's also that thing called a learning curve. If you pull down on
the saw it will make it difficult to remove the saw. The steeper your
learning curve, the sooner you will learn to not pull down on the saw.
R
On May 15, 3:52=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Chris Friesen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > Leon wrote:
> >> "Chris Friesen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]...
>
> >>>Leon wrote:
>
> >>>>>http://www.woodworkingtips.com/etips/2009/05/14/ws/
>
> >>>>What's to stop you from inserting the saws with the teeth facing in?
>
> >>>If someone pulled down on the saw it could squish out the set of the
> >>>teeth.
>
> >> Gosh I hope not! =A0Wouldn't that be the same action as ummm sawing a =
piece
> >> of
> >> wood?
>
> > Nope. =A0As you pull the saw down, the dowel will roll and pinch the sa=
w
> > teeth sideways.
>
> > When sawing, you don't have the sideways pinching.
>
> So you have never ever had a saw be pinched by a board? =A0Very interesti=
ng to
> hear that has not happened to every one. =A0;~)
I did. It _flattened_ all of the teeth - I now use it as a comb. ;)
R
Limp Arbor wrote:
> Not a bad idea. I'm a little leery because the teeth are facing out
> and reaching for a different tool...
>
> http://www.woodworkingtips.com/etips/2009/05/14/ws/
>
I would put a lip on the diagonal side of the slot. Otherwise I would
probably drag the dowel out and lose it every time I took out a saw.
--
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Cochran, GA
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extra copier.
Leon wrote:
> "Limp Arbor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:f6246023-2146-4f83-a880-b99e74a5c836@q14g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Not a bad idea. I'm a little leery because the teeth are facing out
>>and reaching for a different tool...
>>
>>http://www.woodworkingtips.com/etips/2009/05/14/ws/
> What's to stop you from inserting the saws with the teeth facing in?
If someone pulled down on the saw it could squish out the set of the teeth.
Chris
Gerald Ross wrote:
> Limp Arbor wrote:
>> Not a bad idea. I'm a little leery because the teeth are facing out
>> and reaching for a different tool...
>>
>> http://www.woodworkingtips.com/etips/2009/05/14/ws/
>>
> I would put a lip on the diagonal side of the slot. Otherwise I would
> probably drag the dowel out and lose it every time I took out a saw.
>
OOPS! Didn't look twice before I chimed in.
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Cochran, GA
I xeroxed a mirror, now I have an
extra copier.
"Limp Arbor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:f6246023-2146-4f83-a880-b99e74a5c836@q14g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> Not a bad idea. I'm a little leery because the teeth are facing out
> and reaching for a different tool...
>
> http://www.woodworkingtips.com/etips/2009/05/14/ws/
>
What's to stop you from inserting the saws with the teeth facing in?
"Chris Friesen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Leon wrote:
>> "Chris Friesen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>Leon wrote:
>
>>>>>http://www.woodworkingtips.com/etips/2009/05/14/ws/
>>>
>>>>What's to stop you from inserting the saws with the teeth facing in?
>>>
>>>If someone pulled down on the saw it could squish out the set of the
>>>teeth.
>
>> Gosh I hope not! Wouldn't that be the same action as ummm sawing a piece
>> of
>> wood?
>
> Nope. As you pull the saw down, the dowel will roll and pinch the saw
> teeth sideways.
>
> When sawing, you don't have the sideways pinching.
So you have never ever had a saw be pinched by a board? Very interesting to
hear that has not happened to every one. ;~)
RicodJour wrote:
> On May 15, 12:50 pm, Chris Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Leon wrote:
>>>What's to stop you from inserting the saws with the teeth facing in?
>>
>>If someone pulled down on the saw it could squish out the set of the teeth.
> The dowel is wood, isn't it? And while the teeth are designed to cut
> on the pull stroke (on Western saws at least), as you know from
> starting a cut, they'll also cut on the pull stroke. It's really not
> a concern that the dowel will damage the saw.
As I mentioned in my reply to Leon, if you pull down on the saw the
dowel will roll and pinch the saw blade tighter. This would be like
squeezing the teeth sideways in a wooden vise.
Chris
Leon wrote:
> "Chris Friesen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Leon wrote:
>>>>http://www.woodworkingtips.com/etips/2009/05/14/ws/
>>
>>>What's to stop you from inserting the saws with the teeth facing in?
>>
>>If someone pulled down on the saw it could squish out the set of the
>>teeth.
> Gosh I hope not! Wouldn't that be the same action as ummm sawing a piece of
> wood?
Nope. As you pull the saw down, the dowel will roll and pinch the saw
teeth sideways.
When sawing, you don't have the sideways pinching.
Chris
On Fri, 15 May 2009 04:18:12 -0700 (PDT), Limp Arbor <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Not a bad idea. I'm a little leery because the teeth are facing out
>and reaching for a different tool...
>
>http://www.woodworkingtips.com/etips/2009/05/14/ws/
hmmmm... obviously designed before rare earth magnets were popular... lol
I keep saws flat against a wall with magnets.. up high with handle down works
for me..
mac
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RicodJour wrote:
> On May 15, 4:26 pm, David Nebenzahl <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 5/15/2009 1:06 PM RicodJour spake thus:
>>> On May 15, 3:33 pm, Chris Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> As I mentioned in my reply to Leon, if you pull down on the saw the
>>>> dowel will roll and pinch the saw blade tighter. This would be like
>>>> squeezing the teeth sideways in a wooden vise.
>>> There's also that thing called a learning curve. If you pull down on
>>> the saw it will make it difficult to remove the saw. The steeper your
>>> learning curve, the sooner you will learn to not pull down on the saw.
>> Conversely, if your learning curve is shallow, you're going to cut your
>> damn hand removing a saw waaay before you'd damage any teeth if they
>> were stored teeth-in.
>
> Blood-letting enhances the learning curve.
>
> I agree about not particularly liking the teeth facing out, but the
> handles _are_ at the bottom and you always grab the handle to pick up
> a saw anyway. I suppose if someone had a serious case of the shakes,
> that setup would be dangerous, but then again so would pretty much any
> form of woodworking.
>
> I'd probably do a combination of Morris' (?) rare-earth magnets and
> the originally posted one. Lose the dowels, have magnets on one side
> only and slots for the saws with the teeth facing in. Cover the
> magnets with thin wood veneer so no teeth are contacting metal.
>
> R
My first thought when I saw all of the saws with their teeth facing out
was this is not good. However if the wall piece were place near the
celling of the shop with just sufficient space above to lift the saw it
seems like it would be a good idea.
You would reach up lift the saw up an out to remove it and up and in to
put it in place. The teeth would be all above the normal work area.
On May 15, 4:26=A0pm, David Nebenzahl <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 5/15/2009 1:06 PM RicodJour spake thus:
> > On May 15, 3:33 pm, Chris Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> As I mentioned in my reply to Leon, if you pull down on the saw the
> >> dowel will roll and pinch the saw blade tighter. =A0This would be like
> >> squeezing the teeth sideways in a wooden vise.
>
> > There's also that thing called a learning curve. =A0If you pull down on
> > the saw it will make it difficult to remove the saw. =A0The steeper you=
r
> > learning curve, the sooner you will learn to not pull down on the saw.
>
> Conversely, if your learning curve is shallow, you're going to cut your
> damn hand removing a saw waaay before you'd damage any teeth if they
> were stored teeth-in.
Blood-letting enhances the learning curve.
I agree about not particularly liking the teeth facing out, but the
handles _are_ at the bottom and you always grab the handle to pick up
a saw anyway. I suppose if someone had a serious case of the shakes,
that setup would be dangerous, but then again so would pretty much any
form of woodworking.
I'd probably do a combination of Morris' (?) rare-earth magnets and
the originally posted one. Lose the dowels, have magnets on one side
only and slots for the saws with the teeth facing in. Cover the
magnets with thin wood veneer so no teeth are contacting metal.
R
David Nebenzahl wrote:
> Surprised nobody's hit on the obvious solution to this problem: cut a
> rebate into the dowels at the back end so they won't pinch the teeth.
>
>
I think you already hit on the obvious solution to this "problem."
Learn how to use your own jig. :-)
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>> So you have never ever had a saw be pinched by a board? Very interesting to
>> hear that has not happened to every one. ;~)
>
> I did. It _flattened_ all of the teeth - I now use it as a comb. ;)
>
> R
Lesson learned. Don't buy your hand saws at Harbor Freight. :-p
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I'd use Masonite on the back for teeth - if it cut to much
I'd put a rubber sheet. It might be springy enough to not cut.
I think it was a dangerous way myself. Saw is in the wrong position
when gripping and forehead is a target.
Martin
Leon wrote:
> "Limp Arbor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:f6246023-2146-4f83-a880-b99e74a5c836@q14g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>> Not a bad idea. I'm a little leery because the teeth are facing out
>> and reaching for a different tool...
>>
>> http://www.woodworkingtips.com/etips/2009/05/14/ws/
>>
>
>
> What's to stop you from inserting the saws with the teeth facing in?
>
>
"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:9771828b-485c-41df-96b2-ae1e2582d6a1@s21g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Nope. As you pull the saw down, the dowel will roll and pinch the saw
> > teeth sideways.
>
> > When sawing, you don't have the sideways pinching.
>
> So you have never ever had a saw be pinched by a board? Very interesting
> to
> hear that has not happened to every one. ;~)
I did. It _flattened_ all of the teeth - I now use it as a comb. ;)
R
Amazing! LOL
On Fri, 15 May 2009 13:06:32 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On May 15, 3:33 pm, Chris Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> As I mentioned in my reply to Leon, if you pull down on the saw the
>> dowel will roll and pinch the saw blade tighter. This would be like
>> squeezing the teeth sideways in a wooden vise.
>
>Which would have the exact effect of impressing the tooth pattern on
>the wood. Try it. Post a picture.
>
>As Sancho Panza said, "Whether the stone hits the pitcher or the
>pitcher hits the stone, it's going to be bad for the pitcher." He was
>talking about his wife.
>
>There's also that thing called a learning curve. If you pull down on
>the saw it will make it difficult to remove the saw. The steeper your
>learning curve, the sooner you will learn to not pull down on the saw.
>
>R
Hmmm... Pavlov, does that ring a bell?
mac
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