Saw Stop

On 2/1/2012 8:41 AM, Doug Winterburn wrote:

>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I hat issues have you heard about concerning dado sets? Are the dado
>>> cartridges not working correctly?
>>
>> LOL Please substitute" What" for "I hat" in the above post. Geez.
>
> No operation issues that I know of, just the extra expense and extra
> time to swap. Of course if money were no issue, I'd have a much bigger
> shop with two saw stops - one for dado and one regular.
>
>

I think that because you don't do through cuts with a dado I think I
would not worry too much about tripping that one. But still if you do
trip it it is a pretty good chance it actually saved you a log of money
and pain.

On Jan 31, 11:18=A0am, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 1/31/2012 7:39 AM, Bob Funk wrote:
>
>
>
> > "JayPique" wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> >> When does the patent expire?
>
> > Stephen Gass holds 89 patents, most of which have something to do with
> > saw safety. The latest patent was issued April 19, 2010 and is for a
> > miter saw with safety system. The last Saw Stop type patent that I see
> > was issued April 30 2007. Patents last 20 years if maintenance payments
> > are made.
>
> Pay the man his money! =A0I'd prefer not to look at a SS. =A0Just make hi=
m
> go away.

If you have a SawStop will OSHA get off your ass and let you operate a
saw without a guard? Those things are dangerous.
JP

> ...and a storage area for the extra cartriges, blades and dado sets ;-)
>
> - Show quoted text -

Cartridge is the size of a sandwich so no problem to store. Not sure
what you mean by extra space for blades and dada sets. You need to
store those for a saw stop or for a lesser saw too.

[email protected] wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:35:25 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Bob Funk wrote:
>>
>>> But one of them
>>> told me the reluctance to adopt the technology is twofold: They
>>> believe the mechanism has been tested thoroughly enough, and the
>>> retooling costs would be enormous because they can't retrofit it to
>>> existing saws. He added that they also don't believe table saws are
>>> inherently unsafe, as long as consumers utilize the guards and
>>> splitters that come with the machine."
>>
>> Sorry but your phrasing above does not make sense. If their
>> reluctance is based on their belief that the mechanism has been
>> tested thoroughly enough - how does that make any sense at all?
>> Retooling costs makes sence but only in the context of existing
>> models. It makes no sense with respect to new products/designs.
>>
>> Maybe make another run at what you're trying to say?
> What he's saying is companies have been making the same saws, or
> different saws using the sampe parts, for decades - and they work and
> sell - so to make a saw-stop enabled saw would require a total
> re-engineering - a TOTALLY new saw - at quite a great expense - to fix
> a problem they do not believe is a serious problem.

Sorry Clare, but I just do not see that in what he's saying.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On 2/1/2012 6:29 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 1/31/2012 11:07 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
>> On 01/31/2012 09:49 PM, Mike M wrote:
>>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:34:15 -0800, Mike M
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just thought about this as I'm getting ready to do a stir fry. I have
>>>> some good cooking knives I really love to use as well as a mandolin.
>>>> Is this going to effect how I go about preparing my meals. I can see
>>>> where more people might starve it they couldn't afford saw stop
>>>> technology.
>>>>
>>>> Mike M
>>> One interesting thing on this was I was wondering if this would go off
>>> into other sharp cuttng tools and it everyone stayed pretty focused on
>>> the Saw Stop and table saws. I understand some of what I wrote
>>> confuse people, I'm just wondering if this is a slippery slope. If I
>>> was buying a new cabinet saw and could afford it I would buy a saw
>>> stop.
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>
>> Me too - except for the price and the issues with dado sets (which I use
>> a lot). My Rigid TS3650 will have to do as I don't anticipate a few
>> grand falling out of the sky anytime soon, and if it did there would be
>> many other things that would gobble it up according to SWMBO aka the OL
>> (OverLord).
>>
>>
>
> I hat issues have you heard about concerning dado sets? Are the dado
> cartridges not working correctly?

LOL Please substitute" What" for "I hat" in the above post. Geez.

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:35:25 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Bob Funk wrote:
>
>> But one of them
>> told me the reluctance to adopt the technology is twofold: They
>> believe the mechanism has been tested thoroughly enough, and the
>> retooling costs would be enormous because they can't retrofit it to
>> existing saws. He added that they also don't believe table saws are
>> inherently unsafe, as long as consumers utilize the guards and
>> splitters that come with the machine."
>
>Sorry but your phrasing above does not make sense. If their reluctance is
>based on their belief that the mechanism has been tested thoroughly enough -
>how does that make any sense at all? Retooling costs makes sence but only
>in the context of existing models. It makes no sense with respect to new
>products/designs.
>
>Maybe make another run at what you're trying to say?
What he's saying is companies have been making the same saws, or
different saws using the sampe parts, for decades - and they work and
sell - so to make a saw-stop enabled saw would require a total
re-engineering - a TOTALLY new saw - at quite a great expense - to fix
a problem they do not believe is a serious problem.

On 2/1/2012 8:22 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 2/1/2012 8:01 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>
>>> LOL Please substitute" What" for "I hat" in the above post. Geez.
>>
>> Are you still up, or are you just tippling early today? ;)
>>
>> --
>> Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself.
>> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Trippling.

Two times ...

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On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 08:22:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 2/1/2012 8:01 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>
>>> LOL Please substitute" What" for "I hat" in the above post. Geez.
>>
>> Are you still up, or are you just tippling early today? ;)
>>
>> --
>> Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself.
>> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
>Trippling.

Huh? You're a _three_ fisted drinker? Wow!

--
Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself.
-- Thomas Jefferson

[email protected] wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:30:53 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>

>>
>> Sorry Clare, but I just do not see that in what he's saying.

> That's what I see him saying. Sorry you don't see the same.

Actually - after a couple of days I went back and read it again and saw the
same thing you did. No figurin' how the mind perceives things sometimes...

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On 01/31/2012 09:49 PM, Mike M wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:34:15 -0800, Mike M
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Just thought about this as I'm getting ready to do a stir fry. I have
>> some good cooking knives I really love to use as well as a mandolin.
>> Is this going to effect how I go about preparing my meals. I can see
>> where more people might starve it they couldn't afford saw stop
>> technology.
>>
>> Mike M
> One interesting thing on this was I was wondering if this would go off
> into other sharp cuttng tools and it everyone stayed pretty focused on
> the Saw Stop and table saws. I understand some of what I wrote
> confuse people, I'm just wondering if this is a slippery slope. If I
> was buying a new cabinet saw and could afford it I would buy a saw
> stop.
>
> Mike M

Me too - except for the price and the issues with dado sets (which I use
a lot). My Rigid TS3650 will have to do as I don't anticipate a few
grand falling out of the sky anytime soon, and if it did there would be
many other things that would gobble it up according to SWMBO aka the OL
(OverLord).


--
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gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill

On 02/01/2012 05:31 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 2/1/2012 6:29 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 1/31/2012 11:07 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
>>> On 01/31/2012 09:49 PM, Mike M wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:34:15 -0800, Mike M
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just thought about this as I'm getting ready to do a stir fry. I have
>>>>> some good cooking knives I really love to use as well as a mandolin.
>>>>> Is this going to effect how I go about preparing my meals. I can see
>>>>> where more people might starve it they couldn't afford saw stop
>>>>> technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike M
>>>> One interesting thing on this was I was wondering if this would go off
>>>> into other sharp cuttng tools and it everyone stayed pretty focused on
>>>> the Saw Stop and table saws. I understand some of what I wrote
>>>> confuse people, I'm just wondering if this is a slippery slope. If I
>>>> was buying a new cabinet saw and could afford it I would buy a saw
>>>> stop.
>>>>
>>>> Mike M
>>>
>>> Me too - except for the price and the issues with dado sets (which I use
>>> a lot). My Rigid TS3650 will have to do as I don't anticipate a few
>>> grand falling out of the sky anytime soon, and if it did there would be
>>> many other things that would gobble it up according to SWMBO aka the OL
>>> (OverLord).
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I hat issues have you heard about concerning dado sets? Are the dado
>> cartridges not working correctly?
>
> LOL Please substitute" What" for "I hat" in the above post. Geez.

No operation issues that I know of, just the extra expense and extra
time to swap. Of course if money were no issue, I'd have a much bigger
shop with two saw stops - one for dado and one regular.


--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill

On 02/01/2012 07:41 AM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
> On 02/01/2012 05:31 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 2/1/2012 6:29 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 1/31/2012 11:07 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
>>>> On 01/31/2012 09:49 PM, Mike M wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:34:15 -0800, Mike M
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just thought about this as I'm getting ready to do a stir fry. I have
>>>>>> some good cooking knives I really love to use as well as a mandolin.
>>>>>> Is this going to effect how I go about preparing my meals. I can see
>>>>>> where more people might starve it they couldn't afford saw stop
>>>>>> technology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike M
>>>>> One interesting thing on this was I was wondering if this would go off
>>>>> into other sharp cuttng tools and it everyone stayed pretty focused on
>>>>> the Saw Stop and table saws. I understand some of what I wrote
>>>>> confuse people, I'm just wondering if this is a slippery slope. If I
>>>>> was buying a new cabinet saw and could afford it I would buy a saw
>>>>> stop.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike M
>>>>
>>>> Me too - except for the price and the issues with dado sets (which I
>>>> use
>>>> a lot). My Rigid TS3650 will have to do as I don't anticipate a few
>>>> grand falling out of the sky anytime soon, and if it did there would be
>>>> many other things that would gobble it up according to SWMBO aka the OL
>>>> (OverLord).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I hat issues have you heard about concerning dado sets? Are the dado
>>> cartridges not working correctly?
>>
>> LOL Please substitute" What" for "I hat" in the above post. Geez.
>
> No operation issues that I know of, just the extra expense and extra
> time to swap. Of course if money were no issue, I'd have a much bigger
> shop with two saw stops - one for dado and one regular.
>
>
...and a storage area for the extra cartriges, blades and dado sets ;-)


--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill

On 02/01/2012 09:16 AM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>> ...and a storage area for the extra cartriges, blades and dado sets ;-)
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Cartridge is the size of a sandwich so no problem to store. Not sure
> what you mean by extra space for blades and dada sets. You need to
> store those for a saw stop or for a lesser saw too.

I'm referring to the extra dado sets/blades to replace the ones
destroyed by trips. Don't really need those for my current saw.

My shop is 240 sq ft with:
tablesaw with router table
jointer
planer
bandsaw
drill press
lathe
radial arm saw mounted in 16' work table
sharpening center
dust collector
mortising machine
disc/belt sander
1' belt sander
wall storage cabinets full to the brim

All tools except the RAS are on mobile bases so as to expand into the
rest of the gar^H^H^Hshop when the truck and van are moved out (HOA
won't allow them to live outside permanently). Not sure there is room
for a ham and cheese sandwich.



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gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill

"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in news:91fdaea0-380d-472c-
[email protected]:

>>
>> > LOL Please substitute" What" for "I hat" in the above post. Geez.
>>
>> No operation issues that I know of, just the extra expense and extra
>> time to swap.  Of course if money were no issue, I'd have a much bigger
>> shop with two saw stops - one for dado and one regular.
>>
>
> Swapping the cartridge takes less time than swapping a blade.

Can you leave the blade in the cartridge? That would be nice for changing
between regular and dado modes.

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

On 02/01/2012 09:15 AM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>
>>> LOL Please substitute" What" for "I hat" in the above post. Geez.
>>
>> No operation issues that I know of, just the extra expense and extra
>> time to swap. Of course if money were no issue, I'd have a much bigger
>> shop with two saw stops - one for dado and one regular.
>>
>
> Swapping the cartridge takes less time than swapping a blade.

Isn't it time taken in addition to swapping the blade?


--
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gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill

On 02/02/2012 02:28 PM, Mike M wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 09:42:10 -0700, Doug Winterburn
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 02/01/2012 09:16 AM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>>> ...and a storage area for the extra cartriges, blades and dado sets ;-)
>>>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>> Cartridge is the size of a sandwich so no problem to store. Not sure
>>> what you mean by extra space for blades and dada sets. You need to
>>> store those for a saw stop or for a lesser saw too.
>>
>> I'm referring to the extra dado sets/blades to replace the ones
>> destroyed by trips. Don't really need those for my current saw.
>>
>> My shop is 240 sq ft with:
>> tablesaw with router table
>> jointer
>> planer
>> bandsaw
>> drill press
>> lathe
>> radial arm saw mounted in 16' work table
>> sharpening center
>> dust collector
>> mortising machine
>> disc/belt sander
>> 1' belt sander
>> wall storage cabinets full to the brim
>>
>> All tools except the RAS are on mobile bases so as to expand into the
>> rest of the gar^H^H^Hshop when the truck and van are moved out (HOA
>> won't allow them to live outside permanently). Not sure there is room
>> for a ham and cheese sandwich.
>
> I thought my shop was small at 560 sq. ft with about the same tools
> except 2 bandsaws and a lathe. Got so I couldn't get anything done
> without a clean up which always consisted of building more storage. I
> just added 360 sq. ft. and am looking forward to rearranging
> everything.
>
> Mike M

I forgot the roll around clamp/glue/hardware bin rack.


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gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:34:15 -0800, Mike M
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Just thought about this as I'm getting ready to do a stir fry. I have
>some good cooking knives I really love to use as well as a mandolin.
>Is this going to effect how I go about preparing my meals. I can see
>where more people might starve it they couldn't afford saw stop
>technology.
>
>Mike M
One interesting thing on this was I was wondering if this would go off
into other sharp cuttng tools and it everyone stayed pretty focused on
the Saw Stop and table saws. I understand some of what I wrote
confuse people, I'm just wondering if this is a slippery slope. If I
was buying a new cabinet saw and could afford it I would buy a saw
stop.

Mike M

Bob Funk wrote:

> But one of them
> told me the reluctance to adopt the technology is twofold: They
> believe the mechanism has been tested thoroughly enough, and the
> retooling costs would be enormous because they can't retrofit it to
> existing saws. He added that they also don't believe table saws are
> inherently unsafe, as long as consumers utilize the guards and
> splitters that come with the machine."

Sorry but your phrasing above does not make sense. If their reluctance is
based on their belief that the mechanism has been tested thoroughly enough -
how does that make any sense at all? Retooling costs makes sence but only
in the context of existing models. It makes no sense with respect to new
products/designs.

Maybe make another run at what you're trying to say?

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On Jan 30, 6:35=A0pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Bob Funk wrote:
> > But one of them
> > told me the reluctance to adopt the technology is twofold: They
> > believe the mechanism has been tested thoroughly enough, and the
> > retooling costs would be enormous because they can't retrofit it to
> > existing saws. He added that they also don't believe table saws are
> > inherently unsafe, as long as consumers utilize the guards and
> > splitters that come with the machine."
>
> Sorry but your phrasing above does not make sense. =A0If their reluctance=
is
> based on their belief that the mechanism has been tested thoroughly enoug=
h -
> how does that make any sense at all? =A0Retooling costs makes sence but o=
nly
> in the context of existing models. =A0It makes no sense with respect to n=
ew
> products/designs.
>
> Maybe make another run at what you're trying to say?
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected]

When does the patent expire?

>
> Can you leave the blade in the cartridge? =A0That would be nice for chang=
ing
> between regular and dado modes.
>
> Puckdropper
> --
> Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

To swap from ripping blade to dado.

1. Remove blade
2. Reach below blade to twist and remove locking pin
3. Slide cartridge off
4. Slide other cartridge on
5. reinster and twist locking pin
6. Install dado blade(s)

>
> > LOL Please substitute" What" for "I hat" in the above post. Geez.
>
> No operation issues that I know of, just the extra expense and extra
> time to swap. =A0Of course if money were no issue, I'd have a much bigger
> shop with two saw stops - one for dado and one regular.
>

Swapping the cartridge takes less time than swapping a blade.

On 2/1/2012 10:16 AM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>> ...and a storage area for the extra cartriges, blades and dado sets ;-)
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Cartridge is the size of a sandwich so no problem to store. Not sure
> what you mean by extra space for blades and dada sets. You need to
> store those for a saw stop or for a lesser saw too.

I think Doug figures he will be the exception and have lots of false
trips and will need dozens of extra cartridges and blades on hand.

On 2/1/2012 8:56 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 08:39:31 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/1/2012 8:30 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 08:22:16 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/1/2012 8:01 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL Please substitute" What" for "I hat" in the above post. Geez.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you still up, or are you just tippling early today? ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself.
>>>>> -- Thomas Jefferson
>>>>
>>>> Trippling.
>>>
>>> Huh? You're a _three_ fisted drinker? Wow!
>>>
>> You said trippling I just agreed. :~)
>
> Aha! You ARE drunk. I said "tippling".
>
> --
> Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself.
> -- Thomas Jefferson

LOL... Yeah but I know what you meant to say. ;~)

On 2/1/2012 8:01 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> LOL Please substitute" What" for "I hat" in the above post. Geez.
>
> Are you still up, or are you just tippling early today? ;)
>
> --
> Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself.
> -- Thomas Jefferson

Trippling.

On 2/1/2012 8:30 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 08:22:16 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/1/2012 8:01 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>
>>>> LOL Please substitute" What" for "I hat" in the above post. Geez.
>>>
>>> Are you still up, or are you just tippling early today? ;)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself.
>>> -- Thomas Jefferson
>>
>> Trippling.
>
> Huh? You're a _three_ fisted drinker? Wow!
>
You said trippling I just agreed. :~)

On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 09:42:10 -0700, Doug Winterburn
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 02/01/2012 09:16 AM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>> ...and a storage area for the extra cartriges, blades and dado sets ;-)
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Cartridge is the size of a sandwich so no problem to store. Not sure
>> what you mean by extra space for blades and dada sets. You need to
>> store those for a saw stop or for a lesser saw too.
>
>I'm referring to the extra dado sets/blades to replace the ones
>destroyed by trips. Don't really need those for my current saw.
>
>My shop is 240 sq ft with:
>tablesaw with router table
>jointer
>planer
>bandsaw
>drill press
>lathe
>radial arm saw mounted in 16' work table
>sharpening center
>dust collector
>mortising machine
>disc/belt sander
>1' belt sander
>wall storage cabinets full to the brim
>
>All tools except the RAS are on mobile bases so as to expand into the
>rest of the gar^H^H^Hshop when the truck and van are moved out (HOA
>won't allow them to live outside permanently). Not sure there is room
>for a ham and cheese sandwich.

I thought my shop was small at 560 sq. ft with about the same tools
except 2 bandsaws and a lathe. Got so I couldn't get anything done
without a clean up which always consisted of building more storage. I
just added 360 sq. ft. and am looking forward to rearranging
everything.

Mike M

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:30:53 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:35:25 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Bob Funk wrote:
>>>
>>>> But one of them
>>>> told me the reluctance to adopt the technology is twofold: They
>>>> believe the mechanism has been tested thoroughly enough, and the
>>>> retooling costs would be enormous because they can't retrofit it to
>>>> existing saws. He added that they also don't believe table saws are
>>>> inherently unsafe, as long as consumers utilize the guards and
>>>> splitters that come with the machine."
>>>
>>> Sorry but your phrasing above does not make sense. If their
>>> reluctance is based on their belief that the mechanism has been
>>> tested thoroughly enough - how does that make any sense at all?
>>> Retooling costs makes sence but only in the context of existing
>>> models. It makes no sense with respect to new products/designs.
>>>
>>> Maybe make another run at what you're trying to say?
>> What he's saying is companies have been making the same saws, or
>> different saws using the sampe parts, for decades - and they work and
>> sell - so to make a saw-stop enabled saw would require a total
>> re-engineering - a TOTALLY new saw - at quite a great expense - to fix
>> a problem they do not believe is a serious problem.
>
>Sorry Clare, but I just do not see that in what he's saying.
That's what I see him saying. Sorry you don't see the same.

On Jan 29, 7:34=A0pm, Mike M <[email protected]> wrote:
> Just thought about this as I'm getting ready to do a stir fry. =A0I have
> some good cooking knives I really love to use as well as a mandolin.
> Is this going to effect how I go about =A0preparing my meals. =A0I can se=
e
> where more people might starve it they couldn't afford saw stop
> technology.
>
> Mike M

Jealous?

I always use the conveient and safe vegtable holder with my mandolin
and I always use all the safety equipment with my saw stop.

On Feb 1, 10:35=A0am, Doug Winterburn <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 02/01/2012 09:15 AM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>
>
>
> >>> LOL Please substitute" What" for "I hat" in the above post. Geez.
>
> >> No operation issues that I know of, just the extra expense and extra
> >> time to swap. =A0Of course if money were no issue, I'd have a much big=
ger
> >> shop with two saw stops - one for dado and one regular.
>
> > Swapping the cartridge takes less time than swapping a blade.
>
> Isn't it time taken in addition to swapping the blade?
>
> --
> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
> gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
> -Winston Churchill

Yes, I was just providing an idea of how long it takes to do that
"Extra" action.

On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 06:31:49 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 2/1/2012 6:29 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 1/31/2012 11:07 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
>>> On 01/31/2012 09:49 PM, Mike M wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:34:15 -0800, Mike M
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just thought about this as I'm getting ready to do a stir fry. I have
>>>>> some good cooking knives I really love to use as well as a mandolin.
>>>>> Is this going to effect how I go about preparing my meals. I can see
>>>>> where more people might starve it they couldn't afford saw stop
>>>>> technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike M
>>>> One interesting thing on this was I was wondering if this would go off
>>>> into other sharp cuttng tools and it everyone stayed pretty focused on
>>>> the Saw Stop and table saws. I understand some of what I wrote
>>>> confuse people, I'm just wondering if this is a slippery slope. If I
>>>> was buying a new cabinet saw and could afford it I would buy a saw
>>>> stop.
>>>>
>>>> Mike M
>>>
>>> Me too - except for the price and the issues with dado sets (which I use
>>> a lot). My Rigid TS3650 will have to do as I don't anticipate a few
>>> grand falling out of the sky anytime soon, and if it did there would be
>>> many other things that would gobble it up according to SWMBO aka the OL
>>> (OverLord).
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I hat issues have you heard about concerning dado sets? Are the dado
>> cartridges not working correctly?
>
>LOL Please substitute" What" for "I hat" in the above post. Geez.

Are you still up, or are you just tippling early today? ;)

--
Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself.
-- Thomas Jefferson

On 1/31/2012 11:07 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
> On 01/31/2012 09:49 PM, Mike M wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:34:15 -0800, Mike M
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Just thought about this as I'm getting ready to do a stir fry. I have
>>> some good cooking knives I really love to use as well as a mandolin.
>>> Is this going to effect how I go about preparing my meals. I can see
>>> where more people might starve it they couldn't afford saw stop
>>> technology.
>>>
>>> Mike M
>> One interesting thing on this was I was wondering if this would go off
>> into other sharp cuttng tools and it everyone stayed pretty focused on
>> the Saw Stop and table saws. I understand some of what I wrote
>> confuse people, I'm just wondering if this is a slippery slope. If I
>> was buying a new cabinet saw and could afford it I would buy a saw
>> stop.
>>
>> Mike M
>
> Me too - except for the price and the issues with dado sets (which I use
> a lot). My Rigid TS3650 will have to do as I don't anticipate a few
> grand falling out of the sky anytime soon, and if it did there would be
> many other things that would gobble it up according to SWMBO aka the OL
> (OverLord).
>
>

I hat issues have you heard about concerning dado sets? Are the dado
cartridges not working correctly?

"Mike M" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:10:23 -0800 (PST), "SonomaProducts.com"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Jan 29, 7:34 pm, Mike M <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Just thought about this as I'm getting ready to do a stir fry. I have
>> some good cooking knives I really love to use as well as a mandolin.
>> Is this going to effect how I go about preparing my meals. I can see
>> where more people might starve it they couldn't afford saw stop
>> technology.
>>
>> Mike M
>
>Jealous?
>
>I always use the conveient and safe vegtable holder with my mandolin
>and I always use all the safety equipment with my saw stop.

Just a little background for any newcomers from the Winter 2004/2005 Fine
Woodworking Tools and Shops Annual Issue page 66:


" When Stephen Gass first invented a device to detect contact between an
operator and a moving saw blade and then stop the blade instantly (meaning
within five-thousandths of a second), he figured all he had to do was offer
it to saw manufacturers, and they'd be tripping over each other to buy it.
It didn't work out that way. After the SawStop technology won the
prestigious Challenger's Award at the IWF show in Atlanta in 2000, progress
seemed to grind to a halt. Why?
The answer to that question, like most stories, depends on whom you ask.
I spent more then an hour on the phone with Gass and he gave me a truncated
version of events from his perspective. Gass and hos partners showed
prototypes of the device to more than a dozen table saw manufacturers and
got as far as a signed license agreement with one of them before the deal
fell apart. In April 2003 they (along with several hundred signatures in
agreement) petitioned the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission to
initiate a ruling that would declare the technology a performance standard,
the net effect of which would require manufacturers to put it on their saws.
The CPSC has yet to make a formal ruling on that petition.
None of the manufacturer representatives that I contacted would agree to
let me use their names or go on the record with a response. But one of them
told me the reluctance to adopt the technology is twofold: They believe the
mechanism has been tested thoroughly enough, and the retooling costs would
be enormous because they can't retrofit it to existing saws. He added that
they also don't believe table saws are inherently unsafe, as long as
consumers utilize the guards and splitters that come with the machine."

So this isn't a new issue by any means

"Mike Marlow" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Bob Funk wrote:

>> But one of them
>> told me the reluctance to adopt the technology is twofold: They
>> believe the mechanism has been tested thoroughly enough, and the
>> retooling costs would be enormous because they can't retrofit it to
>> existing saws. He added that they also don't believe table saws are
>> inherently unsafe, as long as consumers utilize the guards and
>> splitters that come with the machine."

>Sorry but your phrasing above does not make sense. If their reluctance is
>based on their belief that the mechanism has been tested thoroughly
>enough - how does that make any sense at all? Retooling costs makes sence
>but only in the context of existing models. It makes no sense with respect
>to new products/designs.

>Maybe make another run at what you're trying to say?

>--

>-Mike-
>[email protected]
I didn't write it, Fine Woodworking did back in 2004

"JayPique" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...


>When does the patent expire?

Stephen Gass holds 89 patents, most of which have something to do with saw
safety. The latest patent was issued April 19, 2010 and is for a miter saw
with safety system. The last Saw Stop type patent that I see was issued
April 30 2007. Patents last 20 years if maintenance payments are made.

On 1/31/2012 7:39 AM, Bob Funk wrote:
>
>
> "JayPique" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>> When does the patent expire?
>
> Stephen Gass holds 89 patents, most of which have something to do with
> saw safety. The latest patent was issued April 19, 2010 and is for a
> miter saw with safety system. The last Saw Stop type patent that I see
> was issued April 30 2007. Patents last 20 years if maintenance payments
> are made.

Pay the man his money! I'd prefer not to look at a SS. Just make him
go away.

Bob Funk wrote:
>
>
> "JayPique" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>> When does the patent expire?
>
> Stephen Gass holds 89 patents, most of which have something to do with
> saw safety. The latest patent was issued April 19, 2010 and is for a
> miter saw with safety system. The last Saw Stop type patent that I see
> was issued April 30 2007. Patents last 20 years if maintenance payments
> are made.

According to the article linked to below, the Consumer Products Safety
Commision is going to proceed in one way or another on this matter by
Feb 12.

http://www.npr.org/2011/12/29/144417825/2012-could-see-new-regs-for-table-saws

Maybe I'm the last one to read this (from the CPSC):

http://www.cpsc.gov/PR/adler10052011.pdf

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:10:23 -0800 (PST), "SonomaProducts.com"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Jan 29, 7:34 pm, Mike M <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Just thought about this as I'm getting ready to do a stir fry.  I have
>> some good cooking knives I really love to use as well as a mandolin.
>> Is this going to effect how I go about  preparing my meals.  I can see
>> where more people might starve it they couldn't afford saw stop
>> technology.
>>
>> Mike M
>
>Jealous?
>
>I always use the conveient and safe vegtable holder with my mandolin
>and I always use all the safety equipment with my saw stop.

No I've got a perfectly good unisaw, but if I was shopping for a new
saw I would definitely look at a Saw Stop. Seems like a good saw, I
just don't care for the way they have pursued some issues. If I had a
business with employees I would want one. None the less sometimes the
government get a little carried away with regulating to the lowest
common denominator.

On 1/31/2012 7:23 PM, Bill wrote:
> Bob Funk wrote:
>>
>>
>> "JayPique" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>>> When does the patent expire?
>>
>> Stephen Gass holds 89 patents, most of which have something to do with
>> saw safety. The latest patent was issued April 19, 2010 and is for a
>> miter saw with safety system. The last Saw Stop type patent that I see
>> was issued April 30 2007. Patents last 20 years if maintenance payments
>> are made.
>
> According to the article linked to below, the Consumer Products Safety
> Commision is going to proceed in one way or another on this matter by
> Feb 12.
>
> http://www.npr.org/2011/12/29/144417825/2012-could-see-new-regs-for-table-saws
>

NPR?? I think i'll wait to hear it on CNN or some other mainstream news
feed. thank you.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 08:39:31 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 2/1/2012 8:30 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 08:22:16 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/1/2012 8:01 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> LOL Please substitute" What" for "I hat" in the above post. Geez.
>>>>
>>>> Are you still up, or are you just tippling early today? ;)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself.
>>>> -- Thomas Jefferson
>>>
>>> Trippling.
>>
>> Huh? You're a _three_ fisted drinker? Wow!
>>
>You said trippling I just agreed. :~)

Aha! You ARE drunk. I said "tippling".

--
Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself.
-- Thomas Jefferson

On 2/1/2012 2:05 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>
>> Can you leave the blade in the cartridge? That would be nice for changing
>> between regular and dado modes.
>>
>> Puckdropper
>> --
>> Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
>
> To swap from ripping blade to dado.
>
> 1. Remove blade
> 2. Reach below blade to twist and remove locking pin
> 3. Slide cartridge off
> 4. Slide other cartridge on
> 5. reinster and twist locking pin
> 6. Install dado blade(s)
>

Sounds similar to changing the riving knife in and out when switching
from a regular to a dado set.

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 07:39:55 -0500, "Bob Funk" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>"JayPique" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>
>>When does the patent expire?
>
>Stephen Gass holds 89 patents, most of which have something to do with saw
>safety. The latest patent was issued April 19, 2010 and is for a miter saw
>with safety system. The last Saw Stop type patent that I see was issued
>April 30 2007. Patents last 20 years if maintenance payments are made.

Twenty years from the date of filing, not the date of issue. That's usually a
couple of years before.