In article <[email protected]>, swalker
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 08:16:48 -0600, swalker <[email protected]> wrote:
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> >Wife bought a cabinet made somewhere far away and brought home in
> >July. The other day a small of pile of dust appeared on the top.
> >Cleaned it off without thinking much about it. The next day there was
> >more and on close inspection saw a small hole.
> >So how do we get rid of the worms?
>
> Strange I thought that nobody asked how big this piece is when they
> posted about heat and cold as a solution. Just measured it. 75" L X
> 34" H X 21" D
>
> Made completely of solid wood. Except for the 4 drawers in the center
> which are made of 5/8" material, everything is 3/4".
> Did I mention that it is a heavy sucker. Heck I couldn't even pick it
> up without a lot of help.
>
> One thing I don't understand is which way is the beetle going. The
> sawdust is on top and the little pile is about the diameter of a
> dime.. So how did the worm we saw get out. Or was it headed it.
>
> I did read the info about Timbor and after reading that I wouldn't
> touch it. My wife has recently developed a lung disease and is on O2
> continually so Timbor is not an option.
>
> If this new piece had the bug in it when purchased then I just might
> make them take it back. It was purchased at Nadeau which is an
> importer of furniture from India and Indonesia.
One classic solution is to keep the object at 120 F for a few hours.
This will desiccate the bugs and their eggs. This approach is used for
bedbug infestations - one heats the entire room and everything in it.
It seems to be the only approach that works.
Joe Gwinn
One just doesn't put a canister inside and let some gas out.
The house tent is pressurized with very lethal gas.
They do the same thing in Tractor trailers holding wood made furniture
and then attach a certificate of protection.
If a wood bear or table or what is sold. It goes into the tank
of gas.
Martin
On 12/14/2015 4:02 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 09:43:57 -0500
> Joe Gwinn <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> This will desiccate the bugs and their eggs. This approach is used
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On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 09:43:57 -0500
Joe Gwinn <[email protected]> wrote:
> One classic solution is to keep the object at 120 F for a few hours.
> This will desiccate the bugs and their eggs. This approach is used
> for bedbug infestations - one heats the entire room and everything in
> it. It seems to be the only approach that works.
with large pieces with thicker wood it is good to go more than a few hours
depends on the wood type too
some wood has better insulative properties than other.
i bake all my wood turning wood for multiple hours at 135 degrees
On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 10:04:26 PM UTC-6, swalker wrote:
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> >Wife bought a cabinet made somewhere far away and brought home in
> >July. The other day a small of pile of dust appeared on the top.
> >Cleaned it off without thinking much about it. The next day there was
> >more and on close inspection saw a small hole.
> >So how do we get rid of the worms?
Rereading your original post....
"....brought home in=20
July. The other day ...." =20
That's at least 4 months difference. I'd suspect the woodworm/PPB problem=
is at your residence, not originally from the seller's location. The woo=
dworm's life cycle dictates its emergence/presence on/inside the piece.
Have it fumed by a pro exterminator. For that size piece, it may be able =
to be fumed at your home (outdoors), rather than you having to bring it to =
their facility.
You can try wetting it, generously (bathe it), with naptha.... OR (outdoors=
, well ventilated area) with lots of lacquer thinner. *Lacquer thinner li=
kely will affect the finish, though. Generally, a potent solvent (or its =
fumes) will kill most any insect. Gasoline (inexpensive, comparatively) w=
ould work, but the gasoline smell remains.
Sonny
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> Wife bought a cabinet made somewhere far away and brought home in
> July. The other day a small of pile of dust appeared on the top.
> Cleaned it off without thinking much about it. The next day there was
> more and on close inspection saw a small hole.
> So how do we get rid of the worms?
Sounds like a powder-post beetle.
Is the cabinet small enough that you can freeze it (like bring the
interior of the wood below 0F for at least 48 hours)? If so, that's the
quick fix.
If not and if you don't want to dispose of it you have two other
choices--you can hire a professional to fumigate it or you can do it the
slow way.
A professional will wrap or tent it and treat it with a penetrating
insecticide--don't try this yourself because the stuff they use is quite
nasty.
If you can't freeze and don't want to pay to have it treated, you can do
it the long slow way. The life cycle of the beetles ranges from about 7
months to about 3 years, so you have to let them all emerge and contain
them so that they don't reinfest the wood or infest something else.
Any kind of finish should prevent them from reinfesting--paint, shellac,
lacquer, polyurethane, anything that prevents the adult beetle from
directly contacting wood.
If it has a natural finish and you want to keep it that way, treat it
with a boron-based insecticide (boracide, etc). These are water based
and will likely raise some grain. This won't kill any beetles already
inside but will kill any larvae emerging from newly laid eggs.
Once you've done the surface treatment, and (If you used one) the finish
has dried, wrap it tightly in plastic, taping all seams, and set it out
of the way for long enough that you're sure all the beetles have emerged
and died.
The beetles that come out can infest other furniture, so don't just let
it slide.
On 12/14/2015 7:23 AM, ScottWW wrote:
>>
>> "swalker" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 08:16:48 -0600, swalker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Wife bought a cabinet made somewhere far away and brought home in
>>> July. The other day a small of pile of dust appeared on the top.
>>> Cleaned it off without thinking much about it. The next day there was
>>> more and on close inspection saw a small hole.
>>> So how do we get rid of the worms?
>>
>> Strange I thought that nobody asked how big this piece is when they
>> posted about heat and cold as a solution. Just measured it. 75" L X
>> 34" H X 21" D
>>
>> Made completely of solid wood. Except for the 4 drawers in the center
>> which are made of 5/8" material, everything is 3/4".
>> Did I mention that it is a heavy sucker. Heck I couldn't even pick it
>> up without a lot of help.
>>
>> One thing I don't understand is which way is the beetle going. The
>> sawdust is on top and the little pile is about the diameter of a
>> dime.. So how did the worm we saw get out. Or was it headed it.
>>
>> I did read the info about Timbor and after reading that I wouldn't
>> touch it. My wife has recently developed a lung disease and is on O2
>> continually so Timbor is not an option.
>>
>> If this new piece had the bug in it when purchased then I just might
>> make them take it back. It was purchased at Nadeau which is an
>> importer of furniture from India and Indonesia.
>>
>> Thanks for attempting to help.
>
> If there is no hole in the upper surface, I would direct my eye directly
> upwards from the pile, and look for a tiny dark hole where the sawdust
> is really coming from. It could be termites unfortunately.
> Scott
Termites typically do not tolerate light and need a water source. They
would build a tunnel from the wood to a water source.
dpb <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> The kicker is as the above article notes, that the freezing technique
> requires quite cold temperatures and also for the temperature change
> to be both rapid and long enough to ensure the entire piece gets that
> cold.
>
> If there are fairly thick pieces such as the legs, etc., that can take
> a while to achieve and is difficult to make happen unless one is in
> the arctic or perhaps it's small enough to wrap in plastic and place
> in a deep freeze.
If it's a bigger piece, I'd try asking the local restaurants
if I could put it in the walk-in freezer for a week. If there's
a place you go regular where the manager knows you, you might
have luck.
John
You can have a pro exterminator fume it and/or use Timbor, as directed.
If you're in Europe, I don't know if Timbor is available, there. Otherwise, look for a product that contains Timbor's active ingredient: http://www.biconet.com/crawlers/infosheets/TimborLabel.pdf
(European) Woodworm and (US) powder post beetles are essentially the same/same type of bug.
Sonny
"swalker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Wife bought a cabinet made somewhere far away and brought home in
> July. The other day a small of pile of dust appeared on the top.
> Cleaned it off without thinking much about it. The next day there was
> more and on close inspection saw a small hole.
> So how do we get rid of the worms?
If it's not riddled with flight holes. Buy some woodworm killer (can't
remember the active constituent) and inject it into the flight holes with a
hypodermic syringe and needle. I obtain these foc from our veterinary
surgeon, otherwise you might find a druggie with used spares.
If it is riddled with flight holes, buy some woodworm killer and drench or
bathe the affected area(s).
The small hole is where the insect has chewed it's way out and then flown
off to pastures new. That's why they're called flight holes.
If you're seeing dust, it is certainly an active infestation.
A little googling, or these:
http://www.askjeff.co.uk/woodworm-the-hole-in-the-argument/
http://www.bpca.org.uk/pages/?page_id=230
might help a bit.
Just unearthed the gallon can of stuff that I've been using for about 20
years. Sadly now nearly empty. It's called Sadovac 35. Made by Sadolin.
561-2511 might be a reference number. Active constituents are Dichlofluanid,
Tributyltin and Gamma HCH. That's all gobbledegook to me.
I've been making, repairing and restoring wooden stuff for about 50 years
and I have seen some severe cases of woodworm. Touch wood, after treatment
with this stuff, I've never had a recurrance.
If you do treat it, with whatever substance you may choose, wear a mask and
do it outdoors. It is vile stuff !
Don't know if Sadovac 35 is still available. Elfin safety regs in Europe
have gotten rid of many useful chemicals.
YMMV.
Good luck,
Nick.
On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 17:00:52 -0000, "Nick"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"swalker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Wife bought a cabinet made somewhere far away and brought home in
>> July. The other day a small of pile of dust appeared on the top.
>> Cleaned it off without thinking much about it. The next day there was
>> more and on close inspection saw a small hole.
>> So how do we get rid of the worms?
>
>If it's not riddled with flight holes. Buy some woodworm killer (can't
>remember the active constituent) and inject it into the flight holes with a
>hypodermic syringe and needle. I obtain these foc from our veterinary
>surgeon, otherwise you might find a druggie with used spares.
>If it is riddled with flight holes, buy some woodworm killer and drench or
>bathe the affected area(s).
>The small hole is where the insect has chewed it's way out and then flown
>off to pastures new. That's why they're called flight holes.
>If you're seeing dust, it is certainly an active infestation.
>A little googling, or these:
>http://www.askjeff.co.uk/woodworm-the-hole-in-the-argument/
>
>http://www.bpca.org.uk/pages/?page_id=230
>
>might help a bit.
>Just unearthed the gallon can of stuff that I've been using for about 20
>years. Sadly now nearly empty. It's called Sadovac 35. Made by Sadolin.
>561-2511 might be a reference number. Active constituents are Dichlofluanid,
>Tributyltin and Gamma HCH. That's all gobbledegook to me.
>I've been making, repairing and restoring wooden stuff for about 50 years
>and I have seen some severe cases of woodworm. Touch wood, after treatment
>with this stuff, I've never had a recurrance.
>If you do treat it, with whatever substance you may choose, wear a mask and
>do it outdoors. It is vile stuff !
>
>Don't know if Sadovac 35 is still available. Elfin safety regs in Europe
>have gotten rid of many useful chemicals.
>YMMV.
>
>Good luck,
>Nick.
>
A quick google of Sadovac35 brings up pages of russian or slavic font
- so it is likely still available in some eastern european countries.
On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 08:16:48 -0600, swalker <[email protected]> wrote:
>Wife bought a cabinet made somewhere far away and brought home in
>July. The other day a small of pile of dust appeared on the top.
>Cleaned it off without thinking much about it. The next day there was
>more and on close inspection saw a small hole.
>So how do we get rid of the worms?
If you can identify the critter - then do some web searches for
eradication / control.
Powder post beetles are one possibility.
They might lay their new baby right back into the hole from which it
emerged - so I'd start by filling in the holes ..
Also consider getting rid of the cabinet. Powder post beetle larva can
live for several years in the wood before emerging.
John T.
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>On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 08:16:48 -0600, swalker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Wife bought a cabinet made somewhere far away and brought home in
>>July. The other day a small of pile of dust appeared on the top.
>>Cleaned it off without thinking much about it. The next day there was
>>more and on close inspection saw a small hole.
>>So how do we get rid of the worms?
>
>Strange I thought that nobody asked how big this piece is when they
>posted about heat and cold as a solution. Just measured it. 75" L X
>34" H X 21" D
>
>Made completely of solid wood. Except for the 4 drawers in the center
>which are made of 5/8" material, everything is 3/4".
>Did I mention that it is a heavy sucker. Heck I couldn't even pick it
>up without a lot of help.
>
>One thing I don't understand is which way is the beetle going. The
>sawdust is on top and the little pile is about the diameter of a
>dime.. So how did the worm we saw get out. Or was it headed it.
>
>I did read the info about Timbor and after reading that I wouldn't
>touch it. My wife has recently developed a lung disease and is on O2
>continually so Timbor is not an option.
>
>If this new piece had the bug in it when purchased then I just might
>make them take it back. It was purchased at Nadeau which is an
>importer of furniture from India and Indonesia.
>
>Thanks for attempting to help.
If there is no hole in the upper surface, I would direct my eye directly
upwards from the pile, and look for a tiny dark hole where the sawdust is
really coming from. It could be termites unfortunately.
Scott
On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 08:16:48 -0600, swalker <[email protected]> wrote:
>Wife bought a cabinet made somewhere far away and brought home in
>July. The other day a small of pile of dust appeared on the top.
>Cleaned it off without thinking much about it. The next day there was
>more and on close inspection saw a small hole.
>So how do we get rid of the worms?
Strange I thought that nobody asked how big this piece is when they
posted about heat and cold as a solution. Just measured it. 75" L X
34" H X 21" D
Made completely of solid wood. Except for the 4 drawers in the center
which are made of 5/8" material, everything is 3/4".
Did I mention that it is a heavy sucker. Heck I couldn't even pick it
up without a lot of help.
One thing I don't understand is which way is the beetle going. The
sawdust is on top and the little pile is about the diameter of a
dime.. So how did the worm we saw get out. Or was it headed it.
I did read the info about Timbor and after reading that I wouldn't
touch it. My wife has recently developed a lung disease and is on O2
continually so Timbor is not an option.
If this new piece had the bug in it when purchased then I just might
make them take it back. It was purchased at Nadeau which is an
importer of furniture from India and Indonesia.
Thanks for attempting to help.
replying to swalker, Traveler wrote:
We also purchased a large armoire from Nadeau and it was infested with powder
post beetles. Sent a sample of the "bugs" and the sawdust to NC State
Entomology dept to confirm. Nadeau did take the piece back and give us a full
refund. Sad though because we really liked this piece. We shopped there again
this time with more knowledge of what to look for and saw a piece in their
store with signs of infestation. The employees denied that this was what we
were seeing when we pointrd out sawdust and exit holes. They said it was the
way the piece was stained and aged. That was enough for us to leave.
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On 12/12/2015 8:16 AM, swalker wrote:
> Wife bought a cabinet made somewhere far away and brought home in
> July. The other day a small of pile of dust appeared on the top.
> Cleaned it off without thinking much about it. The next day there was
> more and on close inspection saw a small hole.
> So how do we get rid of the worms?
<http://www.extension.umn.edu/garden/insects/find/powderpost-and-other-wood-destroying-beetles/>
As others have said, it's likely a beetle rather than worm and what it
might specifically be from imported lumber is anybody's guess. Unless
the piece is/was expensive the suggestion to just get rid of it is
probably the most practical as the eradication process is probably more
trouble (tried personally) or expensive (professionally) than its worth.
The kicker is as the above article notes, that the freezing technique
requires quite cold temperatures and also for the temperature change to
be both rapid and long enough to ensure the entire piece gets that cold.
If there are fairly thick pieces such as the legs, etc., that can take
a while to achieve and is difficult to make happen unless one is in the
arctic or perhaps it's small enough to wrap in plastic and place in a
deep freeze.
The "trick" of simply watching and finishing all surfaces means _ALL_
surfaces, including those that are hidden and may not be accessible
owing to the assembly leaving surfaces that are simply unaccessible but
those will still be easily gotten to by the adult beetles to lay further
generations of eggs.
--
On 12/12/2015 3:32 PM, John McCoy wrote:
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> If it's a bigger piece, I'd try asking the local restaurants
> if I could put it in the walk-in freezer for a week. If there's
> a place you go regular where the manager knows you, you might
> have luck.
I'd suspect that'd be a non-starter given their reqmts for health
inspections...
--
Joe Gwinn wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, swalker
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 08:16:48 -0600, swalker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Wife bought a cabinet made somewhere far away and brought home in
>>> July. The other day a small of pile of dust appeared on the top.
>>> Cleaned it off without thinking much about it. The next day there was
>>> more and on close inspection saw a small hole.
>>> So how do we get rid of the worms?
>> Strange I thought that nobody asked how big this piece is when they
>> posted about heat and cold as a solution. Just measured it. 75" L X
>> 34" H X 21" D
>>
>> Made completely of solid wood. Except for the 4 drawers in the center
>> which are made of 5/8" material, everything is 3/4".
>> Did I mention that it is a heavy sucker. Heck I couldn't even pick it
>> up without a lot of help.
>>
>> One thing I don't understand is which way is the beetle going. The
>> sawdust is on top and the little pile is about the diameter of a
>> dime.. So how did the worm we saw get out. Or was it headed it.
>>
>> I did read the info about Timbor and after reading that I wouldn't
>> touch it. My wife has recently developed a lung disease and is on O2
>> continually so Timbor is not an option.
>>
>> If this new piece had the bug in it when purchased then I just might
>> make them take it back. It was purchased at Nadeau which is an
>> importer of furniture from India and Indonesia.
> One classic solution is to keep the object at 120 F for a few hours.
> This will desiccate the bugs and their eggs. This approach is used for
> bedbug infestations - one heats the entire room and everything in it.
> It seems to be the only approach that works.
>
> Joe Gwinn
I know a family in California that had their house completely covered by
a "tent", with chemicals pumped in, to clear the insects (termites, I
think) which had taken tenancy in the kitchen. It was successful.
>"Leon" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>On 12/14/2015 7:23 AM, ScottWW wrote:
>>>
>>> "swalker" wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 08:16:48 -0600, swalker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wife bought a cabinet made somewhere far away and brought home in
>>>> July. The other day a small of pile of dust appeared on the top.
>>>> Cleaned it off without thinking much about it. The next day there was
>>>> more and on close inspection saw a small hole.
>>>> So how do we get rid of the worms?
>>>
>>> Strange I thought that nobody asked how big this piece is when they
>>> posted about heat and cold as a solution. Just measured it. 75" L X
>>> 34" H X 21" D
>>>
>>> Made completely of solid wood. Except for the 4 drawers in the center
>>> which are made of 5/8" material, everything is 3/4".
>>> Did I mention that it is a heavy sucker. Heck I couldn't even pick it
>>> up without a lot of help.
>>>
>>> One thing I don't understand is which way is the beetle going. The
>>> sawdust is on top and the little pile is about the diameter of a
>>> dime.. So how did the worm we saw get out. Or was it headed it.
>>>
>>> I did read the info about Timbor and after reading that I wouldn't
>>> touch it. My wife has recently developed a lung disease and is on O2
>>> continually so Timbor is not an option.
>>>
>>> If this new piece had the bug in it when purchased then I just might
>>> make them take it back. It was purchased at Nadeau which is an
>>> importer of furniture from India and Indonesia.
>>>
>>> Thanks for attempting to help.
>>
>> If there is no hole in the upper surface, I would direct my eye directly
>> upwards from the pile, and look for a tiny dark hole where the sawdust
>> is really coming from. It could be termites unfortunately.
>> Scott
>
>Termites typically do not tolerate light and need a water source. They
>would build a tunnel from the wood to a water source.
That is very true for subterranean termites. Drywood termites will open
surface holes to kick out frass or droppings, then cover them up again to
maintain humidity. The filled hole will have the raw wood color. I have
seen an active frass-hole in drywall, and witnessed the cover-up.
Subterranean termite frass is usually caked in their excavated cavities.
Drywood termite frass is dry and pelletized. Borer larva frass is also
pelletized but usually larger pellets (depending on their size). Fine
lightweight (airborne) sawdust can be byproduct of tunneling by any of these
or even a Carpenter bee.
Scott
On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 08:16:48 -0600, swalker <[email protected]> wrote:
>Wife bought a cabinet made somewhere far away and brought home in
>July. The other day a small of pile of dust appeared on the top.
>Cleaned it off without thinking much about it. The next day there was
>more and on close inspection saw a small hole.
>So how do we get rid of the worms?
Might be a problem this year if it doesn't get cold - but deep
freezing is usually quite effective. I put smaller items in the
freezer for a week or two, and the problem goes away.