CM

"Charlie M. 1958"

23/10/2006 7:48 AM

Sander Question

I've always done major rough sanding with the belt sander, and used my
quarter-sheet palm sander with progressively finer grits for finish
work. I don't own a random-orbit sander, but they seem pretty popular.
My question for you folks who use a random-orbit: Do you use it in place
of a quarter-sheet sander, or do you use both? If you use both, what is
the determining factor in which one you use for a given task?


This topic has 37 replies

Mm

"Mike"

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

23/10/2006 5:52 AM

> My question for you folks who use a random-orbit: Do you use it in place
> of a quarter-sheet sander, or do you use both? If you use both, what is
> the determining factor in which one you use for a given task?


I haven't touched my 1/4 sheet sander since getting a RO sander. I
usually use the RO sander until I've got a nice, even surface sanded
to a medium/fine grit, then switch to hand sanding for one or two fine
grits.

Mike

b

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

23/10/2006 6:56 AM


Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
> I've always done major rough sanding with the belt sander, and used my
> quarter-sheet palm sander with progressively finer grits for finish
> work. I don't own a random-orbit sander, but they seem pretty popular.
> My question for you folks who use a random-orbit: Do you use it in place
> of a quarter-sheet sander, or do you use both? If you use both, what is
> the determining factor in which one you use for a given task?

You hit it with the "rough" description, for the belt sander. IMHO,
sanding
is an inherently rough process- abrading wood fibes. Though not too
rough for some projects, where I use ROS for the majority and
quarter-sheet
in the corners.

For really smooth finishes, I've been converted by others here to using
a cabinet scraper. Works great for trimming off (cleanly) any surface
irregularities. Typically quicker than sanding. No dust.

Belt-sander available cheap. Now just used occasionally on metal.

HTH,
J

ss

"sandingsupply"

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

23/10/2006 5:39 PM


Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
> I've always done major rough sanding with the belt sander, and used my
> quarter-sheet palm sander with progressively finer grits for finish
> work. I don't own a random-orbit sander, but they seem pretty popular.
> My question for you folks who use a random-orbit: Do you use it in place
> of a quarter-sheet sander, or do you use both? If you use both, what is
> the determining factor in which one you use for a given task?

Random Orbital is definitely the way to go. Dynabrade is the best on
the market.

Jonathan
www.sandingsupply.com
Dynabrade 56815 - 5" Non Vacuum Dynorbital=AE Supreme Random Orbital
Sander $151.99
Dynabrade 59020 - 5" Non-Vacuum Dynorbital-Spirit=99 Random Orbital
Sander $138.69

ss

"sandingsupply"

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

24/10/2006 8:37 AM


Leon wrote:
> "sandingsupply" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> Random Orbital is definitely the way to go. Dynabrade is the best on
> the market.
>
> Jonathan
> www.sandingsupply.com
> Dynabrade 56815 - 5" Non Vacuum Dynorbital=AE Supreme Random Orbital
> Sander $151.99
> Dynabrade 59020 - 5" Non-Vacuum Dynorbital-SpiritT Random Orbital
> Sander $138.69
>
>
> Do you recommend a 120 or 200 gallon compressor to go with those sanders?


You could easily run two sanders off of a 120 compressor.

Rd

"Robatoy"

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

24/10/2006 11:18 AM


B A R R Y wrote:
[snipped for brevity]

> Music is a many-level outlet for a human that is often hard for
> non-musicians to understand. It's frustrating to no longer play.

Truer words were never spoken.
I never played professionally, because I never thought I was good
enough. Few tried to encourage me. I just never saw the need. I just
noodle away and pick songs I like and find challenging. Sometimes it
takes weeks to get a certain lick down to where I'm happy with it.
When alone, I pick at my much abused J50, when the wife and kid are
home, I use headphones on my Tele. Heroes include, but not limited to:
Roy Buchanan, Leo Kottke that sort of rot.
Now I'm working on the Beatles' Blackbird. (A very nice version by
Sarah McLauchlan is currently in CD player... tricky lill' tune, that.)
I do get help from a friend of mine who does play professionally (he
agrees that I probably shouldn't..lol)
I really increased my time playing when I quit smoking 5 years ago....
it really helped.

Happiness is a fresh set of strings.

r

ss

"sandingsupply"

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

24/10/2006 7:17 PM


Leon wrote:
> "sandingsupply" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> You could easily run two sanders off of a 120 compressor.
>
>
> I wonder how many people in a recreationatial news group would have access
> to a 120 gallon compressor?

A question was asked, I provided an answer.

Rd

"Robatoy"

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

24/10/2006 8:00 PM


Leon wrote:
> "sandingsupply" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> You could easily run two sanders off of a 120 compressor.
>
>
> I wonder how many people in a recreationatial news group would have access
> to a 120 gallon compressor?

The solid surface trade, in my area, has tried just about everything.
Right up to 10 HP 3phase 200 gallon compressors, using Sioux,
Dynabrade, all kinds of sanders. With and without extraction.
Almost without exception, all that hardware is collecting dust and the
reigning devices are almost always either electric Fein or Festool...
or a mix thereof. ( In my case, a Festool sander and a Fein vacuum in
the shop.)
I have a Fein sander and a Festool vacuum, sitting on the truck. I also
use a 6" Ridgid ROS for some jobs. The Fein sander is okay, but
big...8" and close to 2 HP. Perfect for an on-site seam when using it
'flat'.
It has become clear, that for maximum performance of any sanding
system, the removal of the waste is the key to a proper job. That is,
in solid surface.
Myself, I see no reason why that wouldn't true when sanding anything
else.
Most of my work is flat, which changes the requirements of the user.

Small, contour stuff, I either do by hand, or this nifty little Bosch
1297DK 1/4 sheet with optional adaptor so my Fein sucker works with it.
Great little sander with good dust control.

CM

"Charlie M. 1958"

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

23/10/2006 9:25 AM

Swingman wrote:
>>
>
> Surprising at how much material a 1/4 sheet sander with good sandpaper, even
> at the finer grits, can remove, and, at least IME, how much easier it
> _selectively_ removes pencil/chalk layout marks and burns when you get to
> those finer grits.
>
> Control of the 1/4 sheet is a bit better for me when sanding edges without
> rounding over, and the action of the 1/4 sheet itself is less likely to
> aggravate my poor old abused carpal tunnel nerves ... a bigger consideration
> the older you get.
>
> As usual, YMMV ...

After the first few responses, I threw my 1/4 sheet in the trash...now
I'll have to go dig it out.

Seriously, though, I guess I'll just have to find out for myself. I just
placed an order for a Porter-Cable 343 on Amazon. Now I'm sure someone
will say I should have bought brand y or brand x and spent more money on
a better one, but I'll gamble $69 and see what happens.

That carpal tunnel must play hell with the bass-playing, eh Swingman?
>

CM

"Charlie M. 1958"

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

23/10/2006 11:53 AM

Swingman wrote:
> "
>
> I need to find the time to do the surgery ... just can't seem to quit
> playing long enough, numb fingers or no.

I know a couple of people who had the surgery, then wondered why they
put it off so long......

CM

"Charlie M. 1958"

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

24/10/2006 8:02 AM

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> I had to quit playing bass altogether after operations on both hands.
>
> After surgery, I was never able to play any musical instrument. That damned
> circumcision really took a lot out of me.
>
>
Hmmmm....

Reminds me of the guy who said "Doc, will I be able to play the piano
after the surgery?" The doctor said "Sure!" The guy said "That's
fantastic! I've always wanted to play the piano!"

CM

"Charlie M. 1958"

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

24/10/2006 12:52 PM

B A R R Y wrote:

> Unfortunately, I _did_ play the bass, for ~ 25 years. I really miss it.
>
> Music is a many-level outlet for a human that is often hard for
> non-musicians to understand. It's frustrating to no longer play.

I AM a musician, and I understand exactly what you mean. I'd have a hell
of a time adjusting if, for some reason, I couldn't play any more. That
is another reason I am EXTREMELY careful with my power toys.

TT

"Tim"

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

23/10/2006 1:40 PM


"Mike" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> My question for you folks who use a random-orbit: Do you use it in place
>> of a quarter-sheet sander, or do you use both? If you use both, what is
>> the determining factor in which one you use for a given task?
>
>
> I haven't touched my 1/4 sheet sander since getting a RO sander. I
> usually use the RO sander until I've got a nice, even surface sanded
> to a medium/fine grit, then switch to hand sanding for one or two fine
> grits.
>
I tell myself I am saving it to use in corners, but I use a Fein Multimate
for that.
I used it a year ago with a foam pad that lets it do concavities, but it was
clumsy and I haven't done it again.
Time for ebay?

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

26/10/2006 1:02 AM

As I suspected.


"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> I wonder how many people in a recreationatial news group would have
>> access
>> to a 120 gallon compressor?
>
> The solid surface trade, in my area, has tried just about everything.
> Right up to 10 HP 3phase 200 gallon compressors, using Sioux,
> Dynabrade, all kinds of sanders. With and without extraction.
> Almost without exception, all that hardware is collecting dust and the
> reigning devices are almost always either electric Fein or Festool...
> or a mix thereof. ( In my case, a Festool sander and a Fein vacuum in
> the shop.)
> I have a Fein sander and a Festool vacuum, sitting on the truck. I also
> use a 6" Ridgid ROS for some jobs. The Fein sander is okay, but
> big...8" and close to 2 HP. Perfect for an on-site seam when using it
> 'flat'.
> It has become clear, that for maximum performance of any sanding
> system, the removal of the waste is the key to a proper job. That is,
> in solid surface.
> Myself, I see no reason why that wouldn't true when sanding anything
> else.
> Most of my work is flat, which changes the requirements of the user.
>
> Small, contour stuff, I either do by hand, or this nifty little Bosch
> 1297DK 1/4 sheet with optional adaptor so my Fein sucker works with it.
> Great little sander with good dust control.
>

BA

B A R R Y

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

24/10/2006 5:35 PM

Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>> "B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> I had to quit playing bass altogether after operations on both hands.
>>
>> After surgery, I was never able to play any musical instrument. That
>> damned circumcision really took a lot out of me.
>>
> Hmmmm....
>
> Reminds me of the guy who said "Doc, will I be able to play the piano
> after the surgery?" The doctor said "Sure!" The guy said "That's
> fantastic! I've always wanted to play the piano!"


Unfortunately, I _did_ play the bass, for ~ 25 years. I really miss it.

Music is a many-level outlet for a human that is often hard for
non-musicians to understand. It's frustrating to no longer play.

l

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

24/10/2006 12:50 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
Charlie M. 1958 <[email protected]> wrote:
>I've always done major rough sanding with the belt sander, and used my
>quarter-sheet palm sander with progressively finer grits for finish
>work. I don't own a random-orbit sander, but they seem pretty popular.
>My question for you folks who use a random-orbit: Do you use it in place
>of a quarter-sheet sander, or do you use both? If you use both, what is
>the determining factor in which one you use for a given task?

My experience is that the ROS will do maybe 90% of the sanding I need
in a fraction of the time it would take with a palm sander. The palm
sander's only advantage is working closer to a corner.
--
No dumb questions, just dumb answers.

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore, Maryland - [email protected]

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

25/10/2006 2:09 AM


"sandingsupply" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...



You could easily run two sanders off of a 120 compressor.


I wonder how many people in a recreationatial news group would have access
to a 120 gallon compressor?

Rr

"RonB"

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

23/10/2006 10:27 AM

I use both. The ROS is a little more aggressive - actually quite aggressive
with coarser paper*. After inital sanding with the ROS I turn to the pad
sander and hand sanding for finish.

* I have found that my ROS, with coarser paper, is a good helper when I need
to sculpt an bit and it can dig in if I am not careful.

RonB


"Charlie M. 1958" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've always done major rough sanding with the belt sander, and used my
> quarter-sheet palm sander with progressively finer grits for finish work.
> I don't own a random-orbit sander, but they seem pretty popular. My
> question for you folks who use a random-orbit: Do you use it in place of a
> quarter-sheet sander, or do you use both? If you use both, what is the
> determining factor in which one you use for a given task?

BA

B A R R Y

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

23/10/2006 1:00 PM

Mike wrote:
>
> I haven't touched my 1/4 sheet sander since getting a RO sander. I
> usually use the RO sander until I've got a nice, even surface sanded
> to a medium/fine grit, then switch to hand sanding for one or two fine
> grits.

Same here, except I use the ROS _and_ hand sand with the grain on the
final grit. The hand sanding pass goes extremely quickly.

I'm not sure I know where my 1/4 sheet sander is...

Pg

Patriarch

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

23/10/2006 4:24 PM

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

<snip>
> I really do suspect the ROS's action aggravates the problem, and the
> action of the 1/4 sheet to not be so inclined to do so.
>
<snip>

I had a similar problem recently with a 1/3 sheet Craftsman sander that I
had for over thirty years. Whenever I used it, my hands and elbows would
go numb. So it got tossed.

It played havoc with my golf game. I never could play an electric bass. ;-)

Take good care of yourself. We need old players!

Patriarch

sD

[email protected] (Doug Miller)

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

23/10/2006 1:17 PM

In article <[email protected]>, "Mike" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> My question for you folks who use a random-orbit: Do you use it in place
>> of a quarter-sheet sander, or do you use both? If you use both, what is
>> the determining factor in which one you use for a given task?
>
>I haven't touched my 1/4 sheet sander since getting a RO sander.

Same here.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

dd

"dadiOH"

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

24/10/2006 12:48 PM

Charlie M. 1958 wrote:
> I've always done major rough sanding with the belt sander, and used
> my quarter-sheet palm sander with progressively finer grits for
> finish work. I don't own a random-orbit sander, but they seem
> pretty popular. My question for you folks who use a random-orbit:
> Do you use it in place of a quarter-sheet sander, or do you use
> both? If you use both, what is the determining factor in which one
> you use for a given task?

I have and use both. I also use an 8" softpad. Of the three, I like
the ROS the least and use it mostly with coarse grits for initial,
rough sanding.

If I had to have just one of the three I'd keep the 1/4 sheet but IMO,
the very best sander for finishing is a 1/2 sheet sander such as
Porter Cable's #505 with a thick felt pad. The area covered is
generous and the pad applies greater pressure to high areas thus
flattening them as well as sanding overall.

--

dadiOH
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Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

24/10/2006 3:09 AM


"sandingsupply" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...



Random Orbital is definitely the way to go. Dynabrade is the best on
the market.

Jonathan
www.sandingsupply.com
Dynabrade 56815 - 5" Non Vacuum Dynorbital® Supreme Random Orbital
Sander $151.99
Dynabrade 59020 - 5" Non-Vacuum Dynorbital-SpiritT Random Orbital
Sander $138.69


Do you recommend a 120 or 200 gallon compressor to go with those sanders?

Pn

Prometheus

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

25/10/2006 4:42 AM

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 07:48:26 -0500, "Charlie M. 1958"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I've always done major rough sanding with the belt sander, and used my
>quarter-sheet palm sander with progressively finer grits for finish
>work. I don't own a random-orbit sander, but they seem pretty popular.
>My question for you folks who use a random-orbit: Do you use it in place
>of a quarter-sheet sander, or do you use both? If you use both, what is
>the determining factor in which one you use for a given task?

I use the ROS for initial sanding, then finish with a cabinet scraper
or a sanding block. The ROS will remove material quickly, and
sometimes that's handy- but for a number of reasons, I've always
prefered hand-sanding to any power sander. It works well, is quiet,
and isn't actually that much harder than using a sander if you start
with the appropriate grit and work up. It's nice to have those quiet
moments in the shop during sanding to really look over an almost
finished piece, and feel the contours while smoothing it.

Now, if I'm just whacking something together, and just giving it a
quick smoothing, the ROS is the way to go.

In any case, I've never had a good result from a quarter-sheet sander.
Could be my technique or the products I've used, but they seem to be
all noise and no abrasion.

Pn

Prometheus

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

23/10/2006 3:12 PM

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:24:48 -0500, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Charlie M. 1958" wrote in message
>
>> That carpal tunnel must play hell with the bass-playing, eh Swingman?
>
>I sincerely hope that you have no earthly idea!
>
>Had to quit playing upright bass because of it a few years back, and the
>first four months of this year I played every gig with numb fingers, on both
>hands ... was almost ready to hang it up after 45 years of playing
>professionally.
>
>Leon and I put a big push on doing the entire kitchen cabinets for two
>houses just prior to that particular episode and it was obviously something
>I did during that intense woodworking period.
>
>I really do suspect the ROS's action aggravates the problem, and the action
>of the 1/4 sheet to not be so inclined to do so.
>
>I need to find the time to do the surgery ... just can't seem to quit
>playing long enough, numb fingers or no.

A guy was telling me a while back that they have a "cold laser"
surgery for carpal tunnel that is an outpatient procedure. Might be
worth looking into.

My hope is that I'll never need it, myself.

RM

"Ron Magen"

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

23/10/2006 7:33 PM

Charlie,

I'll add another to the 'list' . . .

For 'rough' flattening and making scarf's on 'stair-stepped' sheets of ply -
my 'straight-line' belt sander is THE tool.

For 'hogging out' or 'semi-carving' a flat, overlapping, 'flap disk' on a
right-angle grinder is amazing - you have GOT to use a delicate touch, it's
THAT quick.

The ROS {a 'right angle', adjustable speed, 'soft-pad', hook-n-loop} I use
for 'intermediate prep' work. That is to about 120 grit.

For finer grit {to maybe 220}or small pieces, small places, or into corners
I use the 1/4 sheet.

Above 220 I typically hand sand using any number of 'holders & formers'.

Of course none of this is 'graved in Stone'. It is really the job-at-hand
that decides the 'best tool' to use.

Regards & Good Luck,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop

"Charlie M. 1958" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've always done major rough sanding with the belt sander, and used my
> quarter-sheet palm sander with progressively finer grits for finish
> work. I don't own a random-orbit sander, but they seem pretty popular.
> My question for you folks who use a random-orbit: Do you use it in place
> of a quarter-sheet sander, or do you use both? If you use both, what is
> the determining factor in which one you use for a given task?

EP

"Edwin Pawlowski"

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

23/10/2006 8:38 PM


"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> I had to quit playing bass altogether after operations on both hands.

After surgery, I was never able to play any musical instrument. That damned
circumcision really took a lot out of me.

FB

Frank Boettcher

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

23/10/2006 12:40 PM

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:24:48 -0500, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Charlie M. 1958" wrote in message
>
>> That carpal tunnel must play hell with the bass-playing, eh Swingman?
>
>I sincerely hope that you have no earthly idea!
>
>Had to quit playing upright bass because of it a few years back, and the
>first four months of this year I played every gig with numb fingers, on both
>hands ... was almost ready to hang it up after 45 years of playing
>professionally.
>
>Leon and I put a big push on doing the entire kitchen cabinets for two
>houses just prior to that particular episode and it was obviously something
>I did during that intense woodworking period.
>
>I really do suspect the ROS's action aggravates the problem, and the action
>of the 1/4 sheet to not be so inclined to do so.
>
>I need to find the time to do the surgery ... just can't seem to quit
>playing long enough, numb fingers or no.


Get the surgery. Wife got it and she's back 100% all motion. She
can't believe it took her so long to get it. Surgery took less than
twenty minutes, outpatient, recovery to full motion a couple of weeks

Youngest son plays the upright. You ought to see him stuff that thing
in an old Honda Accord. Of course, he's pretty hard on it. I spend
about half my woodworking time trying to repair the thing.

I saw the Dempsies (sp?) in Memphis a few years back. That guy jumps
on top of his and climbs all over it while he is playing it. That's
the bass my kid needs.

Frank

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

23/10/2006 2:01 PM


"Charlie M. 1958" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've always done major rough sanding with the belt sander, and used my
> quarter-sheet palm sander with progressively finer grits for finish work.
> I don't own a random-orbit sander, but they seem pretty popular. My
> question for you folks who use a random-orbit: Do you use it in place of a
> quarter-sheet sander, or do you use both? If you use both, what is the
> determining factor in which one you use for a given task?


I used to use a belt sander and a finish sander up until about 1989. I then
switched to the PC right angle ROS and the PC SpeedBloc finishing sander.
For me the PC right angle ROS replaced the Belt sander but IMHO is way too
aggressive for finish sanding. I use the SpeedBloc for the finish sanding.
Not all POS sanders are the same. I have used some ROS sanders than cannot
keep up with my SpeedBloc finish sander.
Like any other tool there will be a wide variance of efficiencies between
brands and models within brands.

FB

Frank Boettcher

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

23/10/2006 9:28 AM

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 07:48:26 -0500, "Charlie M. 1958"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I've always done major rough sanding with the belt sander, and used my
>quarter-sheet palm sander with progressively finer grits for finish
>work. I don't own a random-orbit sander, but they seem pretty popular.
>My question for you folks who use a random-orbit: Do you use it in place
>of a quarter-sheet sander, or do you use both? If you use both, what is
>the determining factor in which one you use for a given task?


Still use the quarter sheet in corners. ROS with velcro base gets 90%
of the workload.

Frank

MM

Mike M

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

24/10/2006 10:16 PM

I'm with you, I bought a ROS after reading this group. The only
advantage over my 1978--1982 speed block is dust collection. The nice
part is the pressure sensitive paper is cheap and you just keep
tearing of the paper in whatever grit you want and go

Mike M

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:01:53 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Charlie M. 1958" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> I've always done major rough sanding with the belt sander, and used my
>> quarter-sheet palm sander with progressively finer grits for finish work.
>> I don't own a random-orbit sander, but they seem pretty popular. My
>> question for you folks who use a random-orbit: Do you use it in place of a
>> quarter-sheet sander, or do you use both? If you use both, what is the
>> determining factor in which one you use for a given task?
>
>
>I used to use a belt sander and a finish sander up until about 1989. I then
>switched to the PC right angle ROS and the PC SpeedBloc finishing sander.
>For me the PC right angle ROS replaced the Belt sander but IMHO is way too
>aggressive for finish sanding. I use the SpeedBloc for the finish sanding.
>Not all POS sanders are the same. I have used some ROS sanders than cannot
>keep up with my SpeedBloc finish sander.
>Like any other tool there will be a wide variance of efficiencies between
>brands and models within brands.
>

BA

B A R R Y

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

23/10/2006 5:03 PM

Swingman wrote:
> "Charlie M. 1958" wrote in message
>
>> That carpal tunnel must play hell with the bass-playing, eh Swingman?
>
> I sincerely hope that you have no earthly idea!

I had to quit playing bass altogether after operations on both hands.

Pn

Phisherman

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

23/10/2006 11:59 PM

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 07:48:26 -0500, "Charlie M. 1958"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I've always done major rough sanding with the belt sander, and used my
>quarter-sheet palm sander with progressively finer grits for finish
>work. I don't own a random-orbit sander, but they seem pretty popular.
>My question for you folks who use a random-orbit: Do you use it in place
>of a quarter-sheet sander, or do you use both? If you use both, what is
>the determining factor in which one you use for a given task?


I use both. I like the palm sander for tighter places (it's a
smaller, lighter sander), plus it is less aggressive than a
random-orbit. In a pinch I could use just one of these two, but it's
nice to have them both.

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

26/10/2006 1:01 AM


"sandingsupply" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Leon wrote:
>> "sandingsupply" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>>
>> You could easily run two sanders off of a 120 compressor.
>>
>>
>> I wonder how many people in a recreationatial news group would have
>> access
>> to a 120 gallon compressor?
>
> A question was asked, I provided an answer.
>

Yes, but I asked another question!

Sk

"Swingman"

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

23/10/2006 3:11 PM

"Ron Magen" wrote in message

> For 'hogging out' or 'semi-carving' a flat, overlapping, 'flap disk' on a
> right-angle grinder is amazing - you have GOT to use a delicate touch,
it's
> THAT quick.

IIRC, there was a guy in a recent issue of FWW that used one of these to
shape his artistic, and highly curved, furniture.

Now that I can easily do compound angled joinery on the Multi-router, I been
itching to try it.

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sD

[email protected] (Doug Miller)

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

23/10/2006 1:18 PM

In article <X13%[email protected]>, B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote:
>Mike wrote:
>>
>> I haven't touched my 1/4 sheet sander since getting a RO sander. I
>> usually use the RO sander until I've got a nice, even surface sanded
>> to a medium/fine grit, then switch to hand sanding for one or two fine
>> grits.
>
>Same here, except I use the ROS _and_ hand sand with the grain on the
>final grit. The hand sanding pass goes extremely quickly.
>
>I'm not sure I know where my 1/4 sheet sander is...

LOL ! I don't know where mine is either !

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It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Sk

"Swingman"

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

23/10/2006 9:04 AM

"Charlie M. 1958" wrote in message

> My question for you folks who use a random-orbit: Do you use it in place
> of a quarter-sheet sander, or do you use both? If you use both, what is
> the determining factor in which one you use for a given task?

I purposely use both. A Bosch 6" ROS, and a couple of 1/4 sheets (PC and an
OLD Craftsman).

I generally start with the ROS through 100, then switch to the 1/4 sheet for
120 to 150/180, depending upon the finish. This removes any swirl marks that
the ROS leaves that you often can't see until you stain.

Surprising at how much material a 1/4 sheet sander with good sandpaper, even
at the finer grits, can remove, and, at least IME, how much easier it
_selectively_ removes pencil/chalk layout marks and burns when you get to
those finer grits.

Control of the 1/4 sheet is a bit better for me when sanding edges without
rounding over, and the action of the 1/4 sheet itself is less likely to
aggravate my poor old abused carpal tunnel nerves ... a bigger consideration
the older you get.

As usual, YMMV ...

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Sk

"Swingman"

in reply to "Charlie M. 1958" on 23/10/2006 7:48 AM

23/10/2006 11:24 AM

"Charlie M. 1958" wrote in message

> That carpal tunnel must play hell with the bass-playing, eh Swingman?

I sincerely hope that you have no earthly idea!

Had to quit playing upright bass because of it a few years back, and the
first four months of this year I played every gig with numb fingers, on both
hands ... was almost ready to hang it up after 45 years of playing
professionally.

Leon and I put a big push on doing the entire kitchen cabinets for two
houses just prior to that particular episode and it was obviously something
I did during that intense woodworking period.

I really do suspect the ROS's action aggravates the problem, and the action
of the 1/4 sheet to not be so inclined to do so.

I need to find the time to do the surgery ... just can't seem to quit
playing long enough, numb fingers or no.

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