FYI. Freebie glue squeeze out video (FWW). Pretty good idea, but I'm
usually too stressed out during a glue up to do this.
http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworking/SkillsAndTechniques/SkillsAndTechniquesArticle.aspx?id=29736
--
Brian
www.garagewoodworks.com
"In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."
Desiderius Erasmus
Leon wrote:
> Actually there are dry glues that are activated by ultrasonic waves. Can
> you imagine applying a glue that is not sticky, assembling, clamping and
> then waving an ultrasinic device around the joint?
And I wouldn't even have to buy an ultrasonic wand! I'd just ask my
mother-in-law out to the shop, and remind her that I don't attend
church. The resulting hour-long tirade of red-faced screeching, much of
which extends into the ultrasonic range, would activate any such glue
within a 200 meter radius.
I could amuse myself and form glue bonds at the same time!
"Garage_Woodworks" <.@.> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> FYI. Freebie glue squeeze out video (FWW). Pretty good idea, but I'm
> usually too stressed out during a glue up to do this.
>
> http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworking/SkillsAndTechniques/SkillsAndTechniquesArticle.aspx?id=29736
>
> --
> Brian
> www.garagewoodworks.com
>
> "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."
> Desiderius Erasmus
>
>
Nice little trick. I'll have to remember that one.
And thanks for the trip back down memory lane, stressing during glue up.
LOL... Through the years wood working becomes less stressful as you learn
the tricks like the one you posted for us. I do vividly recall having every
one ready for the "glue up" and for me it was like brain surgery. Today not
so much of a problem.
For probably 20 years I used a water saturated paper towel to remove the
excess, followed by the normal finish sanding. I gotta say I cannot
remember a time that wiping with a wet rag ever presented a problem and I
built a lot of furniture out of Red Oak. I can certainly agree that this
method can present problems if you are not thorough.
Anyway if you are stressing because of the glue open time, consider using an
old glue that you mix. Very simple and you have more than enough time to
assemble anything with that glue. The only real draw back is that you need
to leave the clamps on at least over night. IIRC WeldWood is the name of
the glue. I comes in a powder form and you simply mix in water.
On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:52:04 -0700, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm not sure that in my climate, I would have sufficient open time to do
>those steps without the glue starting to bond before I was done.
I've heard in your climate you don't even need clamps! <G>
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Garage_Woodworks wrote:
>
... snip
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "What would
>>>>> Jesus do?" never seems to come to mind. OK - so he did lose
>>>>> it once and chased a bunch of money changers out of The Temple,
>>>>> but that's when he was younger, and his emotions over rode his
>>>>> love for his people and his compassion.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, the incident in question was righteous anger over those who
>>>> had
>>>> replaced the love of people and compassion with the love of money and
>>>> personal gain.
>>>
>>> I know a few regular 'church goers' who I talk politics with on occasion
>>> (suprised?). Do you know what they say (every time w/o fail) when I
>>> talk
>>> to them about Universal Health Care?
>>>
>>> "Oh, no... I don't want my taxes to go up." In other words, screw
>>> the
>>> poor and sick... See ya at church!
>>>
>>> Is that how Jesus would respond?
>>>
>>
>> Umm, yes, most likely.
>
> Do you 'churchies' ever read that thing?
>
>
As a matter of fact we do -- only we do it within the context of which it
it written, not ripping bits and pieces out of context to fit an agenda.
> Jesus on paying taxes:
> Matthew 22
>
> 15Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words.
> 16They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher,"
> they said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way
> of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you
> pay no attention to who they are.
> 17Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar
> or not?"
> 18But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you
> trying to trap me?
> 19Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius,
> 20and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?"
> 21"Caesar's," they replied. Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is
> Caesar's, and to God what is God's."
>
Nothing said here about having the government take money in taxes from one
who works and give it to someone who doesn't, or to redistribute wealth.
Not even close to the context of the event.
There's also a passage, "He who does not work, neither shall he eat".
That's in context and the meaning is quite clear in that context -- one
should not expect others to take care of you when you won't do it yourself.
There are numerous passages regarding charity -- "I was sick and you
visited me, " and others. The difference here is charity -- gifts given
freely vs. using the government as an agent to take from people you think
are better off than you and re-distribute that wealth for your benefit.
*That* falls under the context of coveting and stealing. Coveting for
wanting what is not yours and stealing for actually voting for and
supporting the people who take what is not theirs in order to give it to
you simply because *you* think those other people make more than you and
therefore don't deserve what they have. At that point, you are displaying
envy of what others have and plotting how to take it away from them. At
the same time, you are depriving them of the opportunity to freely give
what they have, at their discretion, and forcing them to give up what they
have earned.
> OR
>
> Matthew 7
> 9"Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone?
> 10Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake?
> 11If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your
> children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to
> those who ask him!
> 12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for
> this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
>
>
Quite a stretch here to use a passage that deals with how even the sinful
world recognizes how to do good, so how much more so will the heavenly
Father, who is perfect take care of our needs, as a proof passage for
universal health care and government forced wealth redistribution.
> I could find others.
>
Don't bother, you don't have a clue about hermeneutics or the use of
scripture to interpret scripture. You aren't going to come close to
getting it right if you are trying to use this to prove a biblical
foundation for forced re-distribution of wealth.
... snip
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
Garage_Woodworks wrote:
>
>
> "Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
... snip
>>> Jesus on paying taxes:
>>> Matthew 22
>>>
>>> 15Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words.
>>> 16They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher,"
>>> they said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the
>>> way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men,
>>> because you
>>> pay no attention to who they are.
>>> 17Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar
>>> or not?"
>>> 18But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are
>>> you
>>> trying to trap me?
>>> 19Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a
>>> denarius, 20and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose
>>> inscription?"
>>> 21"Caesar's," they replied. Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what
>>> is
>>> Caesar's, and to God what is God's."
>>>
>>
>> Nothing said here about having the government take money in taxes from
>> one
>> who works and give it to someone who doesn't, or to redistribute wealth.
>> Not even close to the context of the event.
>
> It makes the point that 'you' shouldn't be concerned with paying taxes as
> long as you give to god what is his.
> (But I am sure you will interpret it to mean something else)
>
>>
>> There's also a passage, "He who does not work, neither shall he eat".
>
> That passage (from Thessalonians) refers to those that are lazy
> (idleness). Convenient for you to assume that those that can not afford
> health care are just lazy.
>
>> That's in context and the meaning is quite clear in that context -- one
>> should not expect others to take care of you when you won't do it
>> yourself.
>
> You are twisting it to fit your 'agenda'. You assume that those that
> can
> not afford health care are not willing to pay for it. VERY convenient for
> you.
>
> What was jc's position on helping the poor and the sick?
>
There is a world of difference between gifts freely given and force
redistribution.
>
>>
>> There are numerous passages regarding charity -- "I was sick and you
>> visited me, " and others. The difference here is charity -- gifts given
>> freely vs. using the government as an agent to take from people you think
>> are better off than you and re-distribute that wealth for your benefit.
>> *That* falls under the context of coveting and stealing.
>
> WOW! Talk about twisting scripture to fit an agenda. They want to
> 'steal' from you so that your underprivileged neighbors can have access to
> health care.
> Hey I know. You can pray for the sick and poor. This way you can do
> NOTHING and feel like you are doing SOMETHING for them.
>
>
It's not charity or benevolence when you are using other peoples' money.
Nice jump there, somehow you believe that because people don't want the
government to take from them to give to others, those same people don't
engage in voluntary charitable acts.
>>Coveting for
>> wanting what is not yours and stealing for actually voting for and
>> supporting the people who take what is not theirs in order to give it to
>> you simply because *you* think those other people make more than you and
>> therefore don't deserve what they have. At that point, you are
>> displaying
>> envy of what others have and plotting how to take it away from them. At
>> the same time, you are depriving them of the opportunity to freely give
>> what they have, at their discretion, and forcing them to give up what
>> they have earned.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> OR
>>>
>>> Matthew 7
>>> 9"Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone?
>>> 10Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake?
>>> 11If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your
>>> children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to
>>> those who ask him!
>>> 12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for
>>> this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Quite a stretch here to use a passage that deals with how even the
>> sinful
>> world recognizes how to do good, so how much more so will the heavenly
>> Father, who is perfect take care of our needs, as a proof passage for
>> universal health care and government forced wealth redistribution.
>>
>>> I could find others.
>>>
>>
>> Don't bother, you don't have a clue about hermeneutics or the use of
>> scripture to interpret scripture.
>
> Yeah I know. I shouldn't address scripture that makes things inconvenient
> for you.
>
No, you shouldn't try to re-interpret scripture to fit your agenda and rip
it kicking and screaming from its intended context.
>>You aren't going to come close to
>> getting it right if you are trying to use this to prove a biblical
>> foundation for forced re-distribution of wealth.
>
> No. I am making the point that the religious right that are against UHC
> are
> hypocrites. This is a blatant example of not practicing what you preach.
>
That is absolute BS and you know it. I will repeat -- It's not charity
when you are using other peoples' money.
Where does it stop? 40 years ago, it was welfare and food stamps. Today
it is health care and the seeds being planted regarding the plight of the
homeless. So, tomorrow universal housing? Then, what next?
I think you really believe in the statement, "From each according to their
ability, to each according to their needs". Didn't work for the countries
that adopted that in the past, won't work any better here.
> I am done with this thread. I will give you the last word.
Whatever.
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
I saw the article in FWW - and couldn't understand going through all
that careful glue application - brushes, careful application of just
the right amount of glue - and that doesn't eliminate the problem
of glue squeeze out clean up and the problems even a little glue
left on the piece when you apply a finish.
For about $8 IIRC, you can get a lifetime supply of Waxalit from
Lee Valley. Put it where you DON'T want glue to stick - and it won't.
Glue pops right off - wipe the area with alcohol to remove the
Waxalit - which dries WHITE so you can see it - and apply the finish.
No scraping, no careful chisel work - and no special time carefully
applying the glue.
charlie b
"charlieb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> For about $8 IIRC, you can get a lifetime supply of Waxalit from
> Lee Valley. Put it where you DON'T want glue to stick - and it won't.
Does this stuff have an advantage over using paste wax for this application?
(I have paste wax already)
> Glue pops right off - wipe the area with alcohol to remove the
> Waxalit - which dries WHITE so you can see it - and apply the finish.
> No scraping, no careful chisel work - and no special time carefully
> applying the glue.
>
> charlie b
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Garage_Woodworks" <.@.> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> "charlieb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>
>>> For about $8 IIRC, you can get a lifetime supply of Waxalit from
>>> Lee Valley. Put it where you DON'T want glue to stick - and it won't.
>>
>> Does this stuff have an advantage over using paste wax for this
>> application?
>> (I have paste wax already)
>
>
> It dries very white so it is very easy to see and it comes off very easily
> with a mild solvent like alcohol. Ah, also it is very thin and goes on
> very very very easily. A very little bit goes a very long way.
Thanks. Ordering some tonight!
>
>
Mark & Juanita wrote:
snip
> I've never had a problem with using a sharp plane or scraper to take off
> squeeze-out. As long as I don't get greedy in trying to take down too
> much, I've never had problems with tear-out or residual glue marks on the
> finish
>
Think Windsor Chair, A&C piece with "slats" close together, insert
partitions
in a box insert, ... - anything where space is tight or not easily
gotten
to with a chisel or scraper - or even a crank necked corner chisel.
Probably could get squeeze out removed with an assortment of dental
tools - but the time involved alone makes trying Waxalit worth the
price
- which seems to have doubled since I bought my can. Didn't realize
how
much the USD has dropped in value - a Euro is now worth about $1.50
USD.
Eight years ago it was $0.94 USD. We've come an long ways baby - just
in the wrong direction.
Woodie wrote:
> And I wouldn't even have to buy an ultrasonic wand! I'd just ask my
> mother-in-law out to the shop, and remind her that I don't attend
> church. The resulting hour-long tirade of red-faced screeching, much of
> which extends into the ultrasonic range, would activate any such glue
> within a 200 meter radius.
>
> I could amuse myself and form glue bonds at the same time!
You should have prefaced that with "Warning: Put your glass or cup
down, swallow first - then read the following"
Monitor screens and flat screens and liquid sprays should not
co-exist in the same plane.
As for attending "church", red faces and screeching - there
seems to be a correlation in some subsets of the over arching
religion. When the red faces and screeching begin "What would
Jesus do?" never seems to come to mind. OK - so he did lose
it once and chased a bunch of money changers out of The Temple,
but that's when he was younger, and his emotions over rode his
love for his people and his compassion.
I was under the impression that the New Testament was about
a kind and loving god, rather than the angry and seemingly
vindictive god being replaced. But what do I know - after only
thirteen years of Catholic School?
"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> As for attending "church", red faces and screeching - there
>> seems to be a correlation in some subsets of the over arching
>> religion. When the red faces and screeching begin
>
> Funny, in almost 50 years of attending church, I've never encountered
> anyone who has had that approach to faith. Have seen quite a few atheists
> act that way though, at the mere mention of the word, "God".
'Real' atheists respond to the word god in much the same way as they do to
the words 'santa' and 'tooth ferry'. -The three by the way, are all the same
guy.
>
>
>> "What would
>> Jesus do?" never seems to come to mind. OK - so he did lose
>> it once and chased a bunch of money changers out of The Temple,
>> but that's when he was younger, and his emotions over rode his
>> love for his people and his compassion.
>
> Actually, the incident in question was righteous anger over those who had
> replaced the love of people and compassion with the love of money and
> personal gain.
I know a few regular 'church goers' who I talk politics with on occasion
(suprised?). Do you know what they say (every time w/o fail) when I talk
to them about Universal Health Care?
"Oh, no... I don't want my taxes to go up." In other words, screw the
poor and sick... See ya at church!
Is that how Jesus would respond?
>> I was under the impression that the New Testament was about
>> a kind and loving god, rather than the angry and seemingly
>> vindictive god being replaced. But what do I know - after only
>> thirteen years of Catholic School?
>
> Martin Luther had the same problem. It took a lot of years and study
> before he found out that the catholic God was not the God of the Bible.
Huh? Would you mind elaborating here?
>
>
> --
> If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> 'Real' atheists respond to the word god in much the same way as they do
>> to
>> the words 'santa' and 'tooth ferry'. -The three by the way, are all the
>> same guy.
>>
>
> Not quite screeching, but a dig nonetheless eh?
>
>>>
>>>
>>>> "What would
>>>> Jesus do?" never seems to come to mind. OK - so he did lose
>>>> it once and chased a bunch of money changers out of The Temple,
>>>> but that's when he was younger, and his emotions over rode his
>>>> love for his people and his compassion.
>>>
>>> Actually, the incident in question was righteous anger over those who
>>> had
>>> replaced the love of people and compassion with the love of money and
>>> personal gain.
>>
>> I know a few regular 'church goers' who I talk politics with on occasion
>> (suprised?). Do you know what they say (every time w/o fail) when I
>> talk
>> to them about Universal Health Care?
>>
>> "Oh, no... I don't want my taxes to go up." In other words, screw the
>> poor and sick... See ya at church!
>>
>> Is that how Jesus would respond?
>>
>
> Umm, yes, most likely.
Do you 'churchies' ever read that thing?
Jesus on paying taxes:
Matthew 22
15Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words.
16They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher," they
said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God
in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no
attention to who they are.
17Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or
not?"
18But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you
trying to trap me?
19Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius,
20and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?"
21"Caesar's," they replied. Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is
Caesar's, and to God what is God's."
OR
Matthew 7
9"Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone?
10Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake?
11If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your
children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those
who ask him!
12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for
this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
I could find others.
>Things such as stealing or coveting your neighbor's
> property would pretty much apply here. Why do you want your neighbors or
> other people to pay for *your* health care? After health care, what next?
> Don't all people deserve shelter? So, we should nationalize housing also
> and make people pay for other peoples' shelter. Just because you are
> using
> the government to steal from someone doesn't make it right.
>
>>
>>>> I was under the impression that the New Testament was about
>>>> a kind and loving god, rather than the angry and seemingly
>>>> vindictive god being replaced. But what do I know - after only
>>>> thirteen years of Catholic School?
>>>
>>> Martin Luther had the same problem. It took a lot of years and study
>>> before he found out that the catholic God was not the God of the Bible.
>>
>> Huh? Would you mind elaborating here?
>>
>
> The catholic church that Martin Luther grew up in centered around a
> righteous judge who would call all people to account and that taught a
> works righteousness requiring the Christian to atone for all of their sins
> through good works; relatives were also instructed to help those who had
> died without doing enough good works to get out of purgatory by doing
> additional good works or by making donations to the Church. Luther was
> very sensitive to this righteous judge, who would see Luther's sins and
> condemn him to hell for those sins that he had not confessed or atoned
> for.
> Luther had a very strong fear of that God, fearing he could never do
> enough
> to appease that righteous judge, he went so far as to become a monk,
> giving
> up his promising future as a lawyer. As a monk he performed all of the
> righteous acts that were to atone for his sins, but never felt he could do
> enough. When one of his mentors had him study to teach the book of
> Romans,
> he found the words in scripture that said, "The just shall live by faith".
> He indicated later that at that moment, all of heaven opened to him.
> Additional study led to the conclusion that the Roman Catholic church had
> replaced the scriptures as the norm of the Christian's life with tradition
> and good works. His (and others) who studied the scriptures re-discovered
> the fact that salvation is through faith in Christ, and that atonement for
> sins before God is only through Christ's life, death, and resurrection.
> Thus was born the Reformation.
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
>
> --
> If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> So, how you gonna protect the glue in the bottle?
>
> Betcha didn't think about that.
>
>
Encase it in lead? Worked for Superman, until the State of California
banned it because you could get cancer or lead poisioning from injesting it
(not simply touching it) in just the right way. :-)
Puckdropper
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If you're quiet, your teeth never touch your ankles.
To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Garage_Woodworks wrote:
>>> Umm, yes, most likely.
>>
>> Do you 'churchies' ever read that thing?
>>
>>
>
> As a matter of fact we do -- only we do it within the context of which it
> it written, not ripping bits and pieces out of context to fit an agenda.
No. Very much in context. YOU, like most churchies I know, do not like to
apply scripture when it is inconvenient.
>> Jesus on paying taxes:
>> Matthew 22
>>
>> 15Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words.
>> 16They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher,"
>> they said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way
>> of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because
>> you
>> pay no attention to who they are.
>> 17Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar
>> or not?"
>> 18But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are
>> you
>> trying to trap me?
>> 19Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius,
>> 20and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?"
>> 21"Caesar's," they replied. Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what
>> is
>> Caesar's, and to God what is God's."
>>
>
> Nothing said here about having the government take money in taxes from
> one
> who works and give it to someone who doesn't, or to redistribute wealth.
> Not even close to the context of the event.
It makes the point that 'you' shouldn't be concerned with paying taxes as
long as you give to god what is his.
(But I am sure you will interpret it to mean something else)
>
> There's also a passage, "He who does not work, neither shall he eat".
That passage (from Thessalonians) refers to those that are lazy (idleness).
Convenient for you to assume that those that can not afford health care are
just lazy.
> That's in context and the meaning is quite clear in that context -- one
> should not expect others to take care of you when you won't do it
> yourself.
You are twisting it to fit your 'agenda'. You assume that those that can
not afford health care are not willing to pay for it. VERY convenient for
you.
What was jc's position on helping the poor and the sick?
>
> There are numerous passages regarding charity -- "I was sick and you
> visited me, " and others. The difference here is charity -- gifts given
> freely vs. using the government as an agent to take from people you think
> are better off than you and re-distribute that wealth for your benefit.
> *That* falls under the context of coveting and stealing.
WOW! Talk about twisting scripture to fit an agenda. They want to 'steal'
from you so that your underprivileged neighbors can have access to health
care.
Hey I know. You can pray for the sick and poor. This way you can do
NOTHING and feel like you are doing SOMETHING for them.
>Coveting for
> wanting what is not yours and stealing for actually voting for and
> supporting the people who take what is not theirs in order to give it to
> you simply because *you* think those other people make more than you and
> therefore don't deserve what they have. At that point, you are displaying
> envy of what others have and plotting how to take it away from them. At
> the same time, you are depriving them of the opportunity to freely give
> what they have, at their discretion, and forcing them to give up what they
> have earned.
>
>
>
>
>> OR
>>
>> Matthew 7
>> 9"Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone?
>> 10Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake?
>> 11If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your
>> children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to
>> those who ask him!
>> 12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for
>> this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
>>
>>
>
> Quite a stretch here to use a passage that deals with how even the sinful
> world recognizes how to do good, so how much more so will the heavenly
> Father, who is perfect take care of our needs, as a proof passage for
> universal health care and government forced wealth redistribution.
>
>> I could find others.
>>
>
> Don't bother, you don't have a clue about hermeneutics or the use of
> scripture to interpret scripture.
Yeah I know. I shouldn't address scripture that makes things inconvenient
for you.
>You aren't going to come close to
> getting it right if you are trying to use this to prove a biblical
> foundation for forced re-distribution of wealth.
No. I am making the point that the religious right that are against UHC are
hypocrites. This is a blatant example of not practicing what you preach.
I am done with this thread. I will give you the last word.
Mark & Juanita wrote:
> Woodie wrote:
>
>> Leon wrote:
>>> Actually there are dry glues that are activated by ultrasonic waves. Can
>>> you imagine applying a glue that is not sticky, assembling, clamping and
>>> then waving an ultrasinic device around the joint?
>> And I wouldn't even have to buy an ultrasonic wand! I'd just ask my
>> mother-in-law out to the shop, and remind her that I don't attend
>> church. The resulting hour-long tirade of red-faced screeching, much of
>> which extends into the ultrasonic range, would activate any such glue
>> within a 200 meter radius.
>>
>> I could amuse myself and form glue bonds at the same time!
>
> So, how you gonna protect the glue in the bottle?
>
> Betcha didn't think about that.
I already move quickly outside the 200 meter radius to protect my
hearing... I'd just take the glue bottle with me.
Garage_Woodworks wrote:
> I know a few regular 'church goers' who I talk politics with on occasion
> (suprised?). Do you know what they say (every time w/o fail) when I talk
> to them about Universal Health Care?
>
> "Oh, no... I don't want my taxes to go up." In other words, screw the
> poor and sick... See ya at church!
>
> Is that how Jesus would respond?
Nope, he'd say live for today and send the bill to your kids and grandkids.
B A R R Y wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:52:04 -0700, Mark & Juanita
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure that in my climate, I would have sufficient open time to do
>>those steps without the glue starting to bond before I was done.
>
> I've heard in your climate you don't even need clamps! <G>
Actually, that's not true. We need the clamps to drive the wood home
while it is setting; if you try to drive the wood home by hand, it freezes
up mid-joint. ;-)
--
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"Garage_Woodworks" <.@.> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "charlieb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>> For about $8 IIRC, you can get a lifetime supply of Waxalit from
>> Lee Valley. Put it where you DON'T want glue to stick - and it won't.
>
> Does this stuff have an advantage over using paste wax for this
> application?
> (I have paste wax already)
It dries very white so it is very easy to see and it comes off very easily
with a mild solvent like alcohol. Ah, also it is very thin and goes on very
very very easily. A very little bit goes a very long way.
Garage_Woodworks wrote:
>
> "Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>> As for attending "church", red faces and screeching - there
>>> seems to be a correlation in some subsets of the over arching
>>> religion. When the red faces and screeching begin
>>
>> Funny, in almost 50 years of attending church, I've never encountered
>> anyone who has had that approach to faith. Have seen quite a few
>> atheists act that way though, at the mere mention of the word, "God".
>
> 'Real' atheists respond to the word god in much the same way as they do to
> the words 'santa' and 'tooth ferry'. -The three by the way, are all the
> same guy.
>
Not quite screeching, but a dig nonetheless eh?
>>
>>
>>> "What would
>>> Jesus do?" never seems to come to mind. OK - so he did lose
>>> it once and chased a bunch of money changers out of The Temple,
>>> but that's when he was younger, and his emotions over rode his
>>> love for his people and his compassion.
>>
>> Actually, the incident in question was righteous anger over those who
>> had
>> replaced the love of people and compassion with the love of money and
>> personal gain.
>
> I know a few regular 'church goers' who I talk politics with on occasion
> (suprised?). Do you know what they say (every time w/o fail) when I talk
> to them about Universal Health Care?
>
> "Oh, no... I don't want my taxes to go up." In other words, screw the
> poor and sick... See ya at church!
>
> Is that how Jesus would respond?
>
Umm, yes, most likely. Things such as stealing or coveting your neighbor's
property would pretty much apply here. Why do you want your neighbors or
other people to pay for *your* health care? After health care, what next?
Don't all people deserve shelter? So, we should nationalize housing also
and make people pay for other peoples' shelter. Just because you are using
the government to steal from someone doesn't make it right.
>
>>> I was under the impression that the New Testament was about
>>> a kind and loving god, rather than the angry and seemingly
>>> vindictive god being replaced. But what do I know - after only
>>> thirteen years of Catholic School?
>>
>> Martin Luther had the same problem. It took a lot of years and study
>> before he found out that the catholic God was not the God of the Bible.
>
> Huh? Would you mind elaborating here?
>
The catholic church that Martin Luther grew up in centered around a
righteous judge who would call all people to account and that taught a
works righteousness requiring the Christian to atone for all of their sins
through good works; relatives were also instructed to help those who had
died without doing enough good works to get out of purgatory by doing
additional good works or by making donations to the Church. Luther was
very sensitive to this righteous judge, who would see Luther's sins and
condemn him to hell for those sins that he had not confessed or atoned for.
Luther had a very strong fear of that God, fearing he could never do enough
to appease that righteous judge, he went so far as to become a monk, giving
up his promising future as a lawyer. As a monk he performed all of the
righteous acts that were to atone for his sins, but never felt he could do
enough. When one of his mentors had him study to teach the book of Romans,
he found the words in scripture that said, "The just shall live by faith".
He indicated later that at that moment, all of heaven opened to him.
Additional study led to the conclusion that the Roman Catholic church had
replaced the scriptures as the norm of the Christian's life with tradition
and good works. His (and others) who studied the scriptures re-discovered
the fact that salvation is through faith in Christ, and that atonement for
sins before God is only through Christ's life, death, and resurrection.
Thus was born the Reformation.
>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
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"Woodie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%gU1k.195396$yE1.37425@attbi_s21...
> Leon wrote:
>> Actually there are dry glues that are activated by ultrasonic waves. Can
>> you imagine applying a glue that is not sticky, assembling, clamping and
>> then waving an ultrasinic device around the joint?
>
> And I wouldn't even have to buy an ultrasonic wand! I'd just ask my
> mother-in-law out to the shop, and remind her that I don't attend church.
> The resulting hour-long tirade of red-faced screeching, much of which
> extends into the ultrasonic range, would activate any such glue within a
> 200 meter radius.
>
> I could amuse myself and form glue bonds at the same time!
Ok, you are not think this through. Geez! LOL. It would not be efficient
to store your on hand remaining glue 200 meters away. ;)
charlieb wrote:
> Woodie wrote:
>
>> And I wouldn't even have to buy an ultrasonic wand! I'd just ask my
>> mother-in-law out to the shop, and remind her that I don't attend
>> church. The resulting hour-long tirade of red-faced screeching, much of
>> which extends into the ultrasonic range, would activate any such glue
>> within a 200 meter radius.
>>
>> I could amuse myself and form glue bonds at the same time!
>
> You should have prefaced that with "Warning: Put your glass or cup
> down, swallow first - then read the following"
>
> Monitor screens and flat screens and liquid sprays should not
> co-exist in the same plane.
>
> As for attending "church", red faces and screeching - there
> seems to be a correlation in some subsets of the over arching
> religion. When the red faces and screeching begin
Funny, in almost 50 years of attending church, I've never encountered
anyone who has had that approach to faith. Have seen quite a few atheists
act that way though, at the mere mention of the word, "God".
> "What would
> Jesus do?" never seems to come to mind. OK - so he did lose
> it once and chased a bunch of money changers out of The Temple,
> but that's when he was younger, and his emotions over rode his
> love for his people and his compassion.
Actually, the incident in question was righteous anger over those who had
replaced the love of people and compassion with the love of money and
personal gain.
>
> I was under the impression that the New Testament was about
> a kind and loving god, rather than the angry and seemingly
> vindictive god being replaced. But what do I know - after only
> thirteen years of Catholic School?
Martin Luther had the same problem. It took a lot of years and study
before he found out that the catholic God was not the God of the Bible.
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
Garage_Woodworks wrote:
> FYI. Freebie glue squeeze out video (FWW). Pretty good idea, but I'm
> usually too stressed out during a glue up to do this.
>
>
http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworking/SkillsAndTechniques/SkillsAndTechniquesArticle.aspx?id=29736
>
I was just reading that article during a plane trip yesterday. Did anyone
else notice that in the process of removing the glue "roll" with a brush,
he got some glue on his raised panel?
I'm not sure that in my climate, I would have sufficient open time to do
those steps without the glue starting to bond before I was done. I think
it might work for raised panel doors, but for more complex glue-ups where
multiple joints have to be set simultaneously, I know I couldn't make that
work.
I've never had a problem with using a sharp plane or scraper to take off
squeeze-out. As long as I don't get greedy in trying to take down too
much, I've never had problems with tear-out or residual glue marks on the
finish
--
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Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:37:58 -0700, charlieb wrote:
>
>> For about $8 IIRC, you can get a lifetime supply of Waxalit from
>> Lee Valley.
>
> I couldn't find it on the web site. Are you sure they still carry
> it?
>
> I've used ordinary paste wax (Trewax) for the same purpose. If I'm
> applying an oil based finish, I don't even have to worry about
> removing it.
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=2&p=32092&cat=1,43415,43440
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--John
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:37:58 -0700, charlieb wrote:
>
>> For about $8 IIRC, you can get a lifetime supply of Waxalit from
>> Lee Valley.
>
> I couldn't find it on the web site. Are you sure they still carry it?
>
> I've used ordinary paste wax (Trewax) for the same purpose. If I'm
> applying an oil based finish, I don't even have to worry about removing it.
>
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=32092&cat=1,43415,43440
They still carry it, but it's a bit more than charlie said it was.
Regardless, it's worth its weight in gold. And it lasts forever.
Tansu
Leon wrote:
... snip
>
> Actually there are dry glues that are activated by ultrasonic waves. Can
> you imagine applying a glue that is not sticky, assembling, clamping and
> then waving an ultrasinic device around the joint?
That sounds pretty cool. Imagine that, a dry fit, get everything in
place, racked square, then hit it with the ultrasonics. Wow, I like that!
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
Woodie wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> Actually there are dry glues that are activated by ultrasonic waves. Can
>> you imagine applying a glue that is not sticky, assembling, clamping and
>> then waving an ultrasinic device around the joint?
>
> And I wouldn't even have to buy an ultrasonic wand! I'd just ask my
> mother-in-law out to the shop, and remind her that I don't attend
> church. The resulting hour-long tirade of red-faced screeching, much of
> which extends into the ultrasonic range, would activate any such glue
> within a 200 meter radius.
>
> I could amuse myself and form glue bonds at the same time!
So, how you gonna protect the glue in the bottle?
Betcha didn't think about that.
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:13:29 -0700, charlieb wrote:
> Didn't realize how
> much the USD has dropped in value - a Euro is now worth about $1.50
> USD.
> Eight years ago it was $0.94 USD. We've come an long ways baby - just
> in the wrong direction.
Hey, don't knock it. I buy things direct from various countries including
the US and £1=$2 is great from where I stand.
Anything American is usually £1=$1 by the time it gets to the UK-which is
one reason why US cars have had a hard time getting a hold in the
market. :-(
On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 03:37:07 GMT, Woodie <[email protected]> wrote:
>Now, you guys keep in mind my post was written tongue in cheek. Don't
>want to get the natives riled up here...
Not exactly riled up, but a little confused. The description of your
mother-in-law sure sounded like my mother. But, she had no daughters
hence my confusion.
Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA
On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:37:58 -0700, charlieb wrote:
> For about $8 IIRC, you can get a lifetime supply of Waxalit from
> Lee Valley.
I couldn't find it on the web site. Are you sure they still carry it?
I've used ordinary paste wax (Trewax) for the same purpose. If I'm
applying an oil based finish, I don't even have to worry about removing it.
On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:29:51 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
> Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>
>> I couldn't find it on the web site. Are you sure they still carry
>> it?
>>
>
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=2&p=32092&cat=1,43415,43440
>
> --
Thanks - I never would have thought of looking under "cleaners and
lubricants."
On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:14:39 +0000, PCPaul wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:13:29 -0700, charlieb wrote:
>
>> Didn't realize how
>> much the USD has dropped in value - a Euro is now worth about $1.50
>> USD.
>> Eight years ago it was $0.94 USD. We've come an long ways baby - just
>> in the wrong direction.
>
> Hey, don't knock it. I buy things direct from various countries including
> the US and £1=$2 is great from where I stand.
>
> Anything American is usually £1=$1 by the time it gets to the UK-which is
> one reason why US cars have had a hard time getting a hold in the
> market. :-(
Strangely enough, when we went to the Europe in 1970 the ratio in the
UK was the same $2 to the pound. Of course, the German mark was 25 cents :-).
"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:29:51 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>>
>>> I couldn't find it on the web site. Are you sure they still carry
>>> it?
>>>
>>
>> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=2&p=32092&cat=1,43415,43440
>>
>> --
>
> Thanks - I never would have thought of looking under "cleaners and
> lubricants."
IIRC it was originally developed to making machinery surfaces slipperier.
Woodie you trouble maker!! Just kidding
--
Mike
Watch for the bounce.
If ya didn't see it, ya didn't feel it.
If ya see it, it didn't go off.
Old Air Force Munitions Saying
IYAAYAS
"Woodie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Now, you guys keep in mind my post was written tongue in cheek. Don't want
> to get the natives riled up here...
charlieb wrote:
> Mark & Juanita wrote:
>
> snip
>
>> I've never had a problem with using a sharp plane or scraper to take
>> off
>> squeeze-out. As long as I don't get greedy in trying to take down too
>> much, I've never had problems with tear-out or residual glue marks on the
>> finish
>>
>
>
> Think Windsor Chair, A&C piece with "slats" close together, insert
> partitions
> in a box insert, ... - anything where space is tight or not easily
> gotten
> to with a chisel or scraper - or even a crank necked corner chisel.
> Probably could get squeeze out removed with an assortment of dental
> tools - but the time involved alone makes trying Waxalit worth the
> price
> - which seems to have doubled since I bought my can. Didn't realize
> how
> much the USD has dropped in value - a Euro is now worth about $1.50
> USD.
> Eight years ago it was $0.94 USD. We've come an long ways baby - just
> in the wrong direction.
Oh, I wasn't disagreeing with your approach. I pre-finish most of my
stuff lately and the wax makes removing glue squeeze-out easy. My comment
was directed at the FWW approach. Your approach, or my pre-finish approach
both work well with complex glue-ups. The glue-up you describe, at least
the way I envision it, would not lend itself to the FWW approach very
well -- too easy to get stuff to sieze up while taking care of the glue
roll.
--
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"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>B A R R Y wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:52:04 -0700, Mark & Juanita
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure that in my climate, I would have sufficient open time to
>>> do
>>>those steps without the glue starting to bond before I was done.
>>
>> I've heard in your climate you don't even need clamps! <G>
>
> Actually, that's not true. We need the clamps to drive the wood home
> while it is setting; if you try to drive the wood home by hand, it freezes
> up mid-joint. ;-)
What you need to use is the "glue capsule" Drop it in the joint and as the
joint closes it crushes the capsule releasing the glue.
Now all you gotta do is invent that glue capsule. LOL
Actually there are dry glues that are activated by ultrasonic waves. Can
you imagine applying a glue that is not sticky, assembling, clamping and
then waving an ultrasinic device around the joint?