On Tue, 6 May 2014 14:39:19 -0400, "John Grossbohlin"
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>"Michael" wrote in message
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>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzd8WtVJVfc
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>>What was the safety error?
>
>Being less than a week out of Game of Logging chainsaw training I'd say that
>nothing they were doing was safe... except the cutter was wearing chaps.
>
>No cutting plan
>No hardhats
>No eye protection
>No ear protection
>No safety harness
>Cutting off a ladder
>Cutting over head
>Cutting one handed
>People too close to the area
>No rope controlling the limb
>No Undercut
>No bucket truck or climbing gear
>In sum, no business doing that job...
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Even with a bucket truck stuff happens. I was cutting a tree about
50' up and it did the old I want to roll the other directions and join
you in the bucket. Fortunately I was able to rotate and keep it out
till it dropped. But I should have had a helper and had a line on it.
If there is room and it's not to big I now prefer just pushing it over
with the excavator.
Mike M
On 5/6/2014 12:12 PM, Michael wrote:
> What was the safety error?
Allowing an idiot out of the institution after the first indication of
stupid.
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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 5/6/2014 12:12 PM, Michael wrote:
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>> What was the safety error?
>
> Allowing an idiot out of the institution after the first indication of
> stupid.
>
It seems to me that this was a Darwin moment. He should have just threw a
rope over the limb and hung himself. It would be faster. I can not imagine
him going on in life and remaining uninjured or undead.
RE: Subject
As a young man, would try almost anything except brain surgery.
By the time I was 30, had decided that laying concrete was
something I wasn't going to do so added it to the list of things
I'd hire done.
One of the best decisions I ever made was to hire a contractor
to lay a patio slab that was maybe 12' x 20'.
This decision was made after the fact after watching the slab
being laid.
By the time I was 40, had decided that climbing ladders to paint
the house, a split level, was best left to younger people.
Had one tree with limbs close enough to the house that they
could be of concern. These were limbs that were less than
1-1/2" dia.
Used my Craftsman sabersaw from a ladder to remove a couple
of limbs and decided that was to be my ONLY attempt to be an
arborist.
This was long before I reached 30.
Used to think nothing of climbing the mast of my 30 ft sailboat
with a 40 ft mast, well into my 50's, but after what would be my
last climb said to myself, "Self, how much longer you going to
try to kid yourself? You've been lucky, so don't be stupid."
I'd rather be lucky rather than good any day.
For the most part I've been lucky, especially when it came to
building the boat.
Lew
On 5/6/2014 1:12 PM, Michael wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzd8WtVJVfc
>
> What was the safety error?
>
Which one...
_Not having a safety line._
Not having shortened the limb.
Not having safety lines on the limb so that the guys below can keep it
from hitting him.
Normall you want to be level or higher, but sometimes that is not
possible. But where was his safety line.
Man that was scarry looking.
--
Jeff
"Michael" wrote in message
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>ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzd8WtVJVfc
If you liked that one take a look at this one... lots of variety:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxst-7MmUfM
Michael <[email protected]> wrote in news:3b37cdec-eeea-4238-8355-
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzd8WtVJVfc
>
> What was the safety error?
1. Standing below the limb he's removing.
2. Standing on the top rung ...
3. ... of a ladder that's too short for the job
4. Twenty feet off the ground with no safety harness.
5. Holding a chain saw in one hand.
6. Failing to undercut the limb first.
Did I miss any?
On 5/6/2014 12:28 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
> Michael <[email protected]> wrote in news:3b37cdec-eeea-4238-8355-
> [email protected]:
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>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzd8WtVJVfc
>>
>> What was the safety error?
>
> 1. Standing below the limb he's removing.
> 2. Standing on the top rung ...
> 3. ... of a ladder that's too short for the job
> 4. Twenty feet off the ground with no safety harness.
> 5. Holding a chain saw in one hand.
> 6. Failing to undercut the limb first.
>
> Did I miss any?
>
Yeah, one for sure, a line tied to the limb to keep it from falling.
Another line for some on the ground to guide the limb after it was cut.
Several years ago I took a tree out of our back yard. It was along the
back fence line with about half hanging over in to the back yard
neighbors yard. With two ropes and a helper on the ground I was able to
remove the tree, limb by limb, with out anything falling into the
neighbors yard. No excitement and every thing swinging and dropping
exactly where I wanted it to go after being cut.
On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 12:28:37 PM UTC-5, Doug Miller wrote:
> Michael <[email protected]> wrote in news:3b37cdec-eeea-4238-8355-
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> [email protected]:
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> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzd8WtVJVfc
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> >
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> > What was the safety error?
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> 1. Standing below the limb he's removing.
>
> 2. Standing on the top rung ...
>
> 3. ... of a ladder that's too short for the job
>
> 4. Twenty feet off the ground with no safety harness.
>
> 5. Holding a chain saw in one hand.
>
> 6. Failing to undercut the limb first.
>
>
>
> Did I miss any?
I was thinking safety harness and undercut, but these other suggestions in this thread are key too. It just goes to show that the guys who do this professionally really know what they are doing.
Michael wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzd8WtVJVfc
>
> What was the safety error?
That's easy - no notch cut under the limb.
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In article <[email protected]>,
Lew Hodgett <[email protected]> wrote:
>RE: Subject
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>As a young man, would try almost anything except brain surgery.
>
>By the time I was 30, had decided that laying concrete was
>something I wasn't going to do so added it to the list of things
>I'd hire done.
<...snipped list of similar decisions...>
I would also recommend that you leave gasoline price reporting to
Trilby Lundberg.
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Getting a Chain Saw.........1st mistake!
john
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzd8WtVJVfc
What was the safety error?
On Tue, 6 May 2014 10:12:19 -0700 (PDT), Michael
<[email protected]> wrote:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzd8WtVJVfc
>
>What was the safety error?
Not hiring a pro!
"Michael" wrote in message
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzd8WtVJVfc
>What was the safety error?
Being less than a week out of Game of Logging chainsaw training I'd say that
nothing they were doing was safe... except the cutter was wearing chaps.
No cutting plan
No hardhats
No eye protection
No ear protection
No safety harness
Cutting off a ladder
Cutting over head
Cutting one handed
People too close to the area
No rope controlling the limb
No Undercut
No bucket truck or climbing gear
In sum, no business doing that job...