On 4/16/2014 5:47 PM, Bill wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>> Might want to reconsider. Dave is not a troll by any definition of the
>> word, or deed.
>>
> I'm willing to reconsider and apologize. Wasn't he the one carrying on
> an ongoing bicker-session with krw?
> As you may know, I don't come here to argue with anyone. Maybe it was a
> misunderstanding?
> His post appeared to exhibit "troll behavior" though. Maybe I can take
> classes on recognizing troll behavior
> when I see it...
Dave, an exceptionally good guy, has added a lot to the newsgroup down
through the years. He, simply put, doesn't take shit off anyone. Give
him a break.
Started lurking here in the late nineties, starting posting under
another name ("Chakra", if you can believe that) around 2000, and my
current in 2001, and trust me, we will all have our turn in that barrel
at some point ... some of us more than others. ;)
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On Saturday, April 19, 2014 9:08:48 AM UTC-5, woodchucker wrote:
> who knows we may experience the first Atomic bomb since it's
> first test in the deserts of NM.. we may do it in a populous area and we
> might need to go old fashion for a while.
>
> How did we get here?
>
> Jeff
Hiroshima. Nagasaki. Not sure what it implies about people when they forget there were two atomic bombs dropped on Japan in August 1945 after the test atomic explosion in the deserts of New Mexico.
On 4/15/2014 9:32 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>
> "woodchucker" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> Too bad it was Vimeo... mine kept freezing and I had to hit pause then
>> continue... was this just me... or do others experience this.
>>
> I have always had problems with vimeo. I think it is used to piss off
> people and computers. It seems to run better in chrome. My wife's
> computer won't run it at all. I can get it to work in chrome on her
> machine about half the time with chrome.
>
> And among people we have sent videos to, about half of them can't run
> vimeo either. Why do people use us problematic formats?
>
>
>
I use chrome and I had problems.
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Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
> If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand
> tools you might like this:
>
> http://www.woodworksbb.es/
>
> I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video.
Not bad at all!
On 4/16/2014 11:48 PM, Leon wrote:
> I attract all the crack pots.
Hereah! ... I thought it was French models? LOL
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On 4/18/2014 9:18 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> I'm something of a "thinker" by nature, and I am blessed/afflicted with
> many of the consequences of that condition.
Know the feeling all too well. My mind chews on a problem, and goes over
and over possible solutions, like a dog on a bone ...even when I'm asleep.
Can't tell you how many times I've woken out of a sleep with solutions
to a problem, or ways to do something, I'd been wrestling with the day
before.
When I took an interest in computer programming in the late sixties
there were no books at the bookstore, no online sources and you
bascially had to puzzle things out yourself, sometimes by the brute
force of trial and error.
The reward is coming up with an "elegant" solution, even though you
might find out later that you rebuilt a wheel some Wizard came up with
before ... than you can just say "Great minds ..." ;)
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"woodchucker" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> Too bad it was Vimeo... mine kept freezing and I had to hit pause then
> continue... was this just me... or do others experience this.
>
I have always had problems with vimeo. I think it is used to piss off
people and computers. It seems to run better in chrome. My wife's computer
won't run it at all. I can get it to work in chrome on her machine about
half the time with chrome.
And among people we have sent videos to, about half of them can't run vimeo
either. Why do people use us problematic formats?
On 04/16/2014 08:01 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 4/16/2014 8:23 PM, Sonny wrote:
>> Seems to me he's in his shop just relaxing, taking his time, doing
>> precision work. He didn't learn his skills or develope that approach
>> over night, either.
>>
>> I'm rarely in a rush to finish any project and I often go in the shop
>> just to hang out, maybe plan a project, plan to sharpen tools (usually
>> on a rainy day), etc. I may do a simple project just to kill time,
>> do some carving, have a beer, visit (if someone has come over) and the
>> like. When doing small "relaxing" projects, I don't always use the
>> power tools. Using hand tools is gratifying.... but I'm not anxious
>> to rip with a hand saw, either.
>
> Thursday Throwback, a few hours early.
>
> JOAT (Jack-Of-All-Trades), one of the denizens of the WREC a few years
> back, described this "shop thing" succinctly:
>
> "My shop helps me relax, makes me feel better (more "up" I guess you
> would say), and helps ease the headache. It is enough sometimes just to
> know it is there, that it's mine. Sometimes I go out there for hours
> making something, sometimes I just piddle around, sometimes I do a
> little and then just sit for awhile, and sometimes all I do is just sit,
> listen to music, smell the sawdust, watch the birds and squirrels, and
> don't think about anything much at all."
>
> Once again, thanks JOAT, that pretty well still describes it for me!
>
AMEN
Greg Guarino wrote:
>> I'm curious. Given adequate free time, would any of you do the
>> rip-sawing and thickness-planing by hand?
-----------------------------------------
"Swingman" wrote:
> Not any more ... but, the ability to be able to do it, if it is the
> only way to get the job done ... Priceless. ;)
----------------------------------------
So you are here to tell me that still being able to shoot a sight with
a sextant from the deck of a pitching boat or still being able to
use my Post, log-log-desi-trig slide rule to run a string of
calculations,
still has value for something other than collecting a few drinks
proving you still know how to use those tools?
Who would have thunk it?
Lew
<[email protected]> wrote:
> You never know, a series of electromagnetic surges from a solar
> storm
> could well knock out power for considerable time. Those sextants and
> slide rules might be worth their weight in gold ~ If anyone
> remembers
> how to use them. There might be a surge of baby boomers getting
> hired
> for outlandish wages.
-------------------------------------------------
Doesn't only apply to boomers.
There are numerous times when old timers have been brought out
of retirement to document processes, or underground utilities
locations
that hadn't been documented except in the memories of old timers,
Lew
<[email protected]> wrote:
"Lew Hodgett" wrote:
> Only thing is, can they remember how? I just hit 60 and damned if I
> can remember how to use a slide rule. Or course, I never had to use
> one for a living, so that may make a big difference.
----------------------------------------------
When I graduated, you either used a slide rule or you didn't
study engineering.
10 years later, man had landed on the moon.
Lew
Hoover dam comes to mind. As they retire, they're hired for consultants
and trainers. Colleges don't teach old tech.
On 4/19/2014 5:58 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> You never know, a series of electromagnetic surges from a solar
>> storm
>> could well knock out power for considerable time. Those sextants and
>> slide rules might be worth their weight in gold ~ If anyone
>> remembers
>> how to use them. There might be a surge of baby boomers getting
>> hired
>> for outlandish wages.
> -------------------------------------------------
> Doesn't only apply to boomers.
>
> There are numerous times when old timers have been brought out
> of retirement to document processes, or underground utilities
> locations
> that hadn't been documented except in the memories of old timers,
>
> Lew
>
>
On 4/16/2014 11:44 PM, Bill wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> On 4/16/2014 5:47 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>
>>> His post appeared to exhibit "troll behavior" though. Maybe I can take
>>> classes on recognizing troll behavior
>>> when I see it...
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> If you want an exact definition of a troll, take a look at who
>> responded to you in a rather vulgar manner at 8:05 pm.
>
> I had already forgotten about that one until I looked it up! It looks
> like he likes you too! ;)
>
>
I attract all the crack pots.
On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 02:53:38 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
wrote:
>If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand
>tools you might like this:
>
>http://www.woodworksbb.es/
>
>I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video.
Great video and a true craftsman.
I use FF and have a very slow DSL and had no problems with the video.
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:58:03 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> You never know, a series of electromagnetic surges from a solar
>> storm
>> could well knock out power for considerable time. Those sextants and
>> slide rules might be worth their weight in gold ~ If anyone
>> remembers
>> how to use them. There might be a surge of baby boomers getting
>> hired
>> for outlandish wages.
>-------------------------------------------------
>Doesn't only apply to boomers.
>
>There are numerous times when old timers have been brought out
>of retirement to document processes, or underground utilities
>locations
>that hadn't been documented except in the memories of old timers,
>
It certainly happened during the runup to Y2K. COBOL programmers were
worth some money.
On 4/19/2014 1:28 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 17:54:19 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
>> So you are here to tell me that still being able to shoot a sight with
>> a sextant from the deck of a pitching boat or still being able to
>> use my Post, log-log-desi-trig slide rule to run a string of
>> calculations,
>
>> still has value for something other than collecting a few drinks
>> proving you still know how to use those tools?
>> Who would have thunk it?
>
> You never know, a series of electromagnetic surges from a solar storm
> could well knock out power for considerable time. Those sextants and
> slide rules might be worth their weight in gold ~ If anyone remembers
> how to use them. There might be a surge of baby boomers getting hired
> for outlandish wages. :)
>
And the way Russia, the US, the middle east , N Korea and terrorists are
going, who knows we may experience the first Atomic bomb since it's
first test in the deserts of NM.. we may do it in a populous area and we
might need to go old fashion for a while.
BTW had a recruiter call the other day. After initial intro and stuff he
told me he had a job in Princetion, he asked if I were a citizen.. I
said yes. He said he would call me back in a few minutes... He never
did.. Being a citizen is not necessarily what they are looking for.
There's a push on again to eliminate the H1B quotas by the big companies.
How did we get here?
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On 4/16/2014 11:00 AM, Bill wrote:
> woodchucker wrote:
>> On 4/16/2014 10:36 AM, Bill wrote:
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
>>>>>> or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
>>>>> I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
>>>> ??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
>>>> wasn't.
>>>
>>> You're kill-filed. Recommend others consider likewise.
>> WHY?
>>
>
>
> http://www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html
I know what a troll is, what bothered you about his post.
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On 4/16/2014 12:08 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> On 4/15/2014 2:53 AM, Bill wrote:
>> If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand
>> tools you might like this:
>>
>> http://www.woodworksbb.es/
>>
>> I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video.
>
> Geez. His pile of shavings is nicer than some of my work, and his shop
> is neater than my house. Whoever complained about the reverberation on
> the video can blame the large uncluttered shop. As if that isn't enough
> to be jealous of, apparently the video was shot "con luz natural".
>
> I'm curious. Given adequate free time, would any of you do the
> rip-sawing and thickness-planing by hand? Untouched as I am by any
> personal experience, I think I can see how there would be real
> satisfaction in doing the joinery by hand, but I'm less convinced that I
> would find all that thickness-planing "un trabajo feliz".
>
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Before I got a jointer, I had to flatten everything by hand. I kept
wishing for a scrub plane, but just took one of my planes and cambered
the blade heavily and moved the frog back... still a scrub would be
nice. At times I had no problem , being able to move quickly..
Others... I was frustrated as all hell. I kept getting better though,
but still ran into wood that was hard to understand... swirling grain
where a growth must have been on a slice further out on the log...
change in direction... Where it swirls is gets hard and gnarly.
I have flattened , but also thickness planed by hand with wide boards,
that were too big to bandsaw....
I would still if I had to work wider boards by hand, and now that I Have
a proper bench (solid) for sure. It can be satisfying, but it can be
frustrating. When you are able to get it the way you want, after
struggling, it's particularly satisfying, as you realize you climbed Mt
Everest.
I am not sure I would rip long pieces by hand though... I just don't see
the need. I have a beautiful rip saw, and use it for small work..
something that I would be afraid to do on the TS, or BS. I am going to
restore it.. I had cleaned it up long ago, but after seeing some work
that one LJ guy does, it might be worth it. I just didn't want to put
that much effort into it. But it's a saw that should get passed down...
Too bad the notches and finger reliefs are for a righty, I am a lefty..
but it's still pretty comfortable.
I mostly do Dovetails by hand, I have only done machined a couple of
times... I like hand dovetailing, I just consider it a nice touch.. If I
had a lot of draws, I might bring out the jig, but I always find that I
get the precision I desire, and look from hand cut.
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 10:22:52 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>
>Great video and a true craftsman.
>
>I use FF and have a very slow DSL and had no problems with the video.
I use FF also and It played well for me. I do run into jerky videos
from time to time. I think their servers get throttled back for some
reason.
On 4/15/2014 2:53 AM, Bill wrote:
> If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand
> tools you might like this:
>
> http://www.woodworksbb.es/
>
> I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video.
Really Nice Bill...
A couple of comments... geez, couldn't he use a crappy chisel to clean
the glue out????
And it looks like an ad for Lee Valley/Veritas.... mostly all Lee Valley
stuff..
Very nice build, no burning on the cherry, since there was no machines....
Wax for a finish..... I guess no blotching that way either.
He is a very good craftsman.
Too bad it was Vimeo... mine kept freezing and I had to hit pause then
continue... was this just me... or do others experience this.
--
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On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 11:08:04 AM UTC-5, Greg Guarino wrote:
>=20
> I'm curious. Given adequate free time, would any of you do the=20
> rip-sawing and thickness-planing by hand? Untouched as I am by any=20
> personal experience, I think I can see how there would be real=20
> satisfaction in doing the joinery by hand, but I'm less convinced that I=
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> would find all that thickness-planing "un trabajo feliz".
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ools. Same as with power woodworking. Right tool makes the job easier. U=
sing a scrub plane makes dimensioning boards fairly quick. Not as quick as=
with powered jointers and planers, but still fairly quick. Scrub planes r=
emove a lot of wood quickly. Whereas when you use a regular plane to remov=
e wood and dimension it, it takes a long time because regular planes cannot=
cut a lot of wood. Scrub planes are fun to use.
Dimensioning wood is not fun with hand tools. Its physically demanding wor=
k. Its not really skilled work. Its hard physical work. I think there ar=
e a fair number of handtool woodworkers who use machines to dimension the w=
ood. Joint, plane, rip. Then use handtools to final dimension, smooth, jo=
ints. Mix.
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:58:03 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
>Doesn't only apply to boomers.
>
>There are numerous times when old timers have been brought out
>of retirement to document processes, or underground utilities
>locations
>that hadn't been documented except in the memories of old timers,
Well, boomers are just hitting the 65 retirement range and that's what
I was thinking of. But yeah, there's plenty who are older with the
skills to go entirely manual.
Only thing is, can they remember how? I just hit 60 and damned if I
can remember how to use a slide rule. Or course, I never had to use
one for a living, so that may make a big difference.
"Greg Guarino" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>I'm curious. Given adequate free time, would any of you do the rip-sawing
>and thickness-planing by hand? Untouched as I am by any personal
>experience, I think I can see how there would be real satisfaction in doing
>the joinery by hand, but I'm less convinced that I would find all that
>thickness-planing "un trabajo feliz".
I've done it... and still do at times. I also taught my sons, starting at
about age 8, how to resaw, rip saw, crosscut, 4-square, and shoot with
handtools... They understand the intent, purpose and process now rather than
just know they have to shove a board through a machine.
In recent times they've been using my large stationary tools (bandsaw,
jointer, thickness planer, table saw). This coming weekend my youngest will
use the shaper for the first time to shape and mold using the template I
recently mentioned in another thread. This would have happened last weekend
but the rub collar I needed didn't show up until yesterday... I tested the
set up last evening and it works like a charm.
It is satisfying and with small stock it is often the right way to go.
John
woodchucker <[email protected]> writes:
>On 4/16/2014 5:57 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 4/16/2014 11:08 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>
>>> I'm curious. Given adequate free time, would any of you do the
>>> rip-sawing and thickness-planing by hand?
>>
>> Not any more ... but, the ability to be able to do it, if it is the only
>> way to get the job done ... Priceless. ;)
>>
>>> Untouched as I am by any
>>> personal experience, I think I can see how there would be real
>>> satisfaction in doing the joinery by hand, but I'm less convinced that I
>>> would find all that thickness-planing "un trabajo feliz".
>>
>> Luckily, both my grandfather's, and my Dad, were self reliant men in a
>> self reliant culture, so I was blessed to have been exposed to the use
>> of woodworking hand tools early in life. Mostly by my maternal
>> grandfather who had a shop, sawmill, and built his farm buildings, home,
>> and the furniture that went into it.
>>
>> I wouldn't necessarily advocate that everyone start off with only hand
>> tools in the 21 century, but skills, once learned to a level adequate
>> for most jobs, tend to stick with you, and come in handy even though you
>> may be rusty.
>>
>> I recently installed crown, base and shoe mostly by hand (I did use a
>> finish nail gun) in a bedroom remodel. Learned to cope inside miter
>> joints when I was around ten, and here, 60 later, it's was like riding a
>> bicycle. And, by being able to do so, I managed to save and reuse a
>> quite a bit of trim that was no longer available in a house 90 years
>> old; and a good deal of time to boot by not having to remove but one
>> side of the trim on intersecting walls.
>>
>> Basically, and though I have never even been anything but barely
>> adequate with hand tools, I can't count the number of times what I did
>> learn as a youngster has saved my bacon.
>>
>> And ... I grew up in an age when there were actually SHOPS to be seen in
>> public schools ... Man, have we lost an incalculable amount of desirable
>> human traits, skills, and basic psychological/cultural health, in that
>> regard.
>>
>
>It is sad. You know theres a song, in the year 2525, ..... if you look
>it up, we are headed that way, useless ... just useless... no more arms,
>or legs.... just useless pieces of crap..
In the year 9595, I'm kinda wonderin' if Man is gonna be alive.
He's taken everything this old Earth can give, and he ain't put back nothin'
Now it's been 10,000 years, Man has cried a billion tears,
For what, he never knew. Now man's reign is through.
-- Zager & Evans, 1969
OBWW: Denny Zager now builds custom guitars in Lincon Nebraska.
On 4/16/2014 5:43 PM, Bill wrote:
> woodchucker wrote:
>> On 4/16/2014 11:00 AM, Bill wrote:
>>> woodchucker wrote:
>>>> On 4/16/2014 10:36 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power
>>>>>>>> tools
>>>>>>>> or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
>>>>>>> I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
>>>>>> ??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
>>>>>> wasn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're kill-filed. Recommend others consider likewise.
>>>> WHY?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html
>>
>> I know what a troll is, what bothered you about his post.
>
> That along with "unnecessary bickering" with krw made me put him in the
> "troll" category.
> Am I wrong? I want to do what I can to reduce troll-participation.
> Trolls seek to waste our time and
> denigrate our newsgroups.
>
Consider Bill the disagreement that you and I had a few days back about
steel strings. ;~) I don't think that either of us was kill filed
although that discussion might have been seen as a similar incident. We
all get rubbed the wrong way now and then but I don't believe any of us,
well except maybe Stinky, deserves to be censored.
On 4/16/2014 5:55 PM, Bill wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
>>>> Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
>>>> or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
>>> I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
>> ??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
>> wasn't.
>
> No, it's trolling if you try to split the group too.
> Since you have some supporters, I unkill-filed you (not that you have to
> care..lol).
> I've been wrong before, this surely won't be the last time.
>
> Bill
Great!
On 4/16/2014 5:47 PM, Bill wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>> On 4/16/2014 9:36 AM, Bill wrote:
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
>>>>>> or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
>>>>> I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
>>>> ??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
>>>> wasn't.
>>>
>>> You're kill-filed. Recommend others consider likewise.
>>
>> Might want to reconsider. Dave is not a troll by any definition of the
>> word, or deed.
>>
> I'm willing to reconsider and apologize. Wasn't he the one carrying on
> an ongoing bicker-session with krw?
> As you may know, I don't come here to argue with anyone. Maybe it was a
> misunderstanding?
> His post appeared to exhibit "troll behavior" though. Maybe I can take
> classes on recognizing troll behavior
> when I see it...
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
If you want an exact definition of a troll, take a look at who responded
to you in a rather vulgar manner at 8:05 pm.
On 4/15/2014 9:33 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> "Bill" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>> If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand
>> tools you might like this:
>
>> http://www.woodworksbb.es/
>
>> I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video.
>
> Interesting... nicely demonstrated the proficient application of
> conventional techniques.
>
> I liked his thick steel straight edges for checking flatness.
>
> I also liked his use of shooting boards for shooting the long edges. I
> often do that... something that occurred to me as being a reasonable
> technique after watching the carpenters at Colonial Williamsburg shoot
> flooring boards that were perhaps 20 feet long. I hadn't seen it done
> by anyone else since...
>
> The dovetail layout technique was interesting... though I had to watch
> that section twice as I missed his spacing layout the first time. It was
> effective but complicated compared to my technique... I used to get
> confused when I drew a lot of lines... now I keep it real simple!
>
> The wax finish was a nice touch. I dare say it is the oldest finish
> there is and I've used it on some utility (but not crude) items made
> from pine and fir.
>
> The video was a nice diversion and I was amused to find that the sanding
> was the most offensive part of the whole process... to the demonstrator!
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
One more thing about the video, I like when no one talks..I get the
picture perfectly clear. Too many of todays videos are blah blah blahhhh...
They like to hear themselves talk... I like to watch them work.
John, I agree about the dovetail layouts... it was a lot of layout work.
--
Jeff
[email protected] writes:
>>If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand
>>tools you might like this:
>>http://www.woodworksbb.es/
>
>Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
>or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
In the day, it was called an apprentice :-)
On 4/16/2014 9:36 AM, Bill wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
>>>> Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
>>>> or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
>>> I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
>> ??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
>> wasn't.
>
> You're kill-filed. Recommend others consider likewise.
Might want to reconsider. Dave is not a troll by any definition of the
word, or deed.
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"Bill" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand
tools you might like this:
http://www.woodworksbb.es/
I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video.
Very sharp tools and determination to get job perfect. Great craftsman. WW
[email protected] writes:
>On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 12:31:39 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
>>I mostly do Dovetails by hand, I have only done machined a couple of
>>times... I like hand dovetailing, I just consider it a nice touch.. If I
>>had a lot of draws, I might bring out the jig, but I always find that I
>>get the precision I desire, and look from hand cut.
>
>And, from what I've read by a few other experienced woodworkers here,
>dovetail jigs are frequently a pain to setup properly.
For a one-off jewelry box drawer, probably. For a production run of
20 drawers, the jigs are invaluable. I do like my D4.
On 4/16/2014 8:07 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 10:45:29 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> You just have not gotten to know him. He does not raise hell to be a
>> PIA. He just likes to defend his position, like some on else I know. ;~0
>
> <HAR> That's just about the best definition of me that I've seen.
>
I'm glad that you did not take that the wrong way. I believe that we
have been acquainted long enough on here that we intend no malice is in
either direction.
On 4/16/2014 6:43 PM, Bill wrote:
> woodchucker wrote:
>> On 4/16/2014 11:00 AM, Bill wrote:
>>> woodchucker wrote:
>>>> On 4/16/2014 10:36 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power
>>>>>>>> tools
>>>>>>>> or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
>>>>>>> I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
>>>>>> ??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
>>>>>> wasn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're kill-filed. Recommend others consider likewise.
>>>> WHY?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html
>>
>> I know what a troll is, what bothered you about his post.
>
> That along with "unnecessary bickering" with krw made me put him in the
> "troll" category.
> Am I wrong? I want to do what I can to reduce troll-participation.
> Trolls seek to waste our time and
> denigrate our newsgroups.
>
You picked the wrong one to put in the troll category. KRW fits the
TROLL...
--
Jeff
On 4/16/2014 5:57 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 4/16/2014 11:08 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>
>> I'm curious. Given adequate free time, would any of you do the
>> rip-sawing and thickness-planing by hand?
>
> Not any more ... but, the ability to be able to do it, if it is the only
> way to get the job done ... Priceless. ;)
>
>> Untouched as I am by any
>> personal experience, I think I can see how there would be real
>> satisfaction in doing the joinery by hand, but I'm less convinced that I
>> would find all that thickness-planing "un trabajo feliz".
>
> Luckily, both my grandfather's, and my Dad, were self reliant men in a
> self reliant culture, so I was blessed to have been exposed to the use
> of woodworking hand tools early in life. Mostly by my maternal
> grandfather who had a shop, sawmill, and built his farm buildings, home,
> and the furniture that went into it.
>
> I wouldn't necessarily advocate that everyone start off with only hand
> tools in the 21 century, but skills, once learned to a level adequate
> for most jobs, tend to stick with you, and come in handy even though you
> may be rusty.
>
> I recently installed crown, base and shoe mostly by hand (I did use a
> finish nail gun) in a bedroom remodel. Learned to cope inside miter
> joints when I was around ten, and here, 60 later, it's was like riding a
> bicycle. And, by being able to do so, I managed to save and reuse a
> quite a bit of trim that was no longer available in a house 90 years
> old; and a good deal of time to boot by not having to remove but one
> side of the trim on intersecting walls.
>
> Basically, and though I have never even been anything but barely
> adequate with hand tools, I can't count the number of times what I did
> learn as a youngster has saved my bacon.
>
> And ... I grew up in an age when there were actually SHOPS to be seen in
> public schools ... Man, have we lost an incalculable amount of desirable
> human traits, skills, and basic psychological/cultural health, in that
> regard.
>
It is sad. You know theres a song, in the year 2525, ..... if you look
it up, we are headed that way, useless ... just useless... no more arms,
or legs.... just useless pieces of crap..
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
><[email protected]> wrote:
>> You never know, a series of electromagnetic surges from a solar storm
>> could well knock out power for considerable time. Those sextants and
>> slide rules might be worth their weight in gold ~ If anyone remembers how
>> to use them. There might be a surge of baby boomers getting
> hired for outlandish wages.
-------------------------------------------------
>Doesn't only apply to boomers.
>There are numerous times when old timers have been brought out
>of retirement to document processes, or underground utilities locations
>that hadn't been documented except in the memories of old timers,
When I worked at Colonial Williamsburg in the '80s there were others there
who resurrected tasks like brick making, gun making (lock, stock and barrel
using the technology available in the 18th century), the bloomery process
for turning bog iron into steel, etc. While there I came to understand that
pretty much the whole world had been built without electricity. ;~)
John
On 4/16/2014 9:23 PM, Sonny wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 11:31:39 AM UTC-5, woodchucker wrote:
>> Greg Guarino wrote: > Bill wrote: >> I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video. > > Geez. His pile of shavings is nicer than some of my work, .... Before I got a jointer, ....
>
> Seems to me he's in his shop just relaxing, taking his time, doing precision work. He didn't learn his skills or develope that approach over night, either.
>
> I'm rarely in a rush to finish any project and I often go in the shop just to hang out, maybe plan a project, plan to sharpen tools (usually on a rainy day), etc. I may do a simple project just to kill time, do some carving, have a beer, visit (if someone has come over) and the like. When doing small "relaxing" projects, I don't always use the power tools. Using hand tools is gratifying.... but I'm not anxious to rip with a hand saw, either.
>
> Sonny
>
Nice.
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"Bill" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand tools
>you might like this:
>http://www.woodworksbb.es/
>I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video.
Interesting... nicely demonstrated the proficient application of
conventional techniques.
I liked his thick steel straight edges for checking flatness.
I also liked his use of shooting boards for shooting the long edges. I often
do that... something that occurred to me as being a reasonable technique
after watching the carpenters at Colonial Williamsburg shoot flooring boards
that were perhaps 20 feet long. I hadn't seen it done by anyone else
since...
The dovetail layout technique was interesting... though I had to watch that
section twice as I missed his spacing layout the first time. It was
effective but complicated compared to my technique... I used to get confused
when I drew a lot of lines... now I keep it real simple!
The wax finish was a nice touch. I dare say it is the oldest finish there is
and I've used it on some utility (but not crude) items made from pine and
fir.
The video was a nice diversion and I was amused to find that the sanding was
the most offensive part of the whole process... to the demonstrator!
John
On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 11:31:39 AM UTC-5, woodchucker wrote:
> Greg Guarino wrote: > Bill wrote: >> I don't think he drips a bead of s=
weat during the entire video. > > Geez. His pile of shavings is nicer than =
some of my work, .... Before I got a jointer, ....
Seems to me he's in his shop just relaxing, taking his time, doing precisio=
n work. He didn't learn his skills or develope that approach over night, e=
ither.
I'm rarely in a rush to finish any project and I often go in the shop just =
to hang out, maybe plan a project, plan to sharpen tools (usually on a rain=
y day), etc. I may do a simple project just to kill time, do some carving=
, have a beer, visit (if someone has come over) and the like. When doing =
small "relaxing" projects, I don't always use the power tools. Using hand =
tools is gratifying.... but I'm not anxious to rip with a hand saw, either.
Sonny
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
>> Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
>> or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
>
>I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
wasn't.
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 1:53:38 AM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
> If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand too=
ls you might like this: http://www.woodworksbb.es/ I don't think he drips a=
bead of sweat during the entire video.
Long drawn out video, because of the slow-mo presentation. I kinna got bor=
ed watching it, but the project and work was nice.
Seems he used Trewax as the finish (on raw wood?), though I can't tell, for=
sure, which wax that is. After finish sanding, I've used Trewax on raw ER=
Cedar, 20-25 yrs ago, and this display cabinet still looks great, still sm=
ooth as a baby's bottom. I may have applied one other coat, in those years=
, but I don't recall for sure. Dusting the cabinet is a snap, as the dust =
wipes off, much better, than with my other non-waxed or other topcoated fur=
nitures. =20
At that time, applying a paste wax to raw wood was a new idea for me . I w=
as impressed as to how the wax, only, produced the "finish" results, so wel=
l.
Other paste waxes may do a similar job, as my experience with Trewax, but I=
have been impressed with this application and I've used Trewax for a few o=
ther small projects.... and for waxing my big iron tool's tops. I think Br=
iwax (or is it Breewax) is similar to Trewax.
One drawback, to applying paste wax to raw wood: It takes lots of elbow gr=
ease to polish the wood, i.e., to remove the dried wax surface film or crus=
t, from the wood, as per the instructions.
Also, I don't know if the wax has anything to do with it, but this cedar ca=
binet hasn't shown any signs of the resin leaching out, from the wood, as I=
've had resin leaching out from pieces coated with a dedicated finish. I t=
hink the wax is not a sealant, so it allows the wood to "breathe"(?), hence=
the resin doesn't leach out.... this is speculation on my part.=20
I haven't heard of anyone using paste wax, only, as a finish on raw wood, s=
o seeing him do so, if that's what he did, was noteworthy, for me.
Sonny
On 4/16/2014 8:23 PM, Sonny wrote:
> Seems to me he's in his shop just relaxing, taking his time, doing precision work. He didn't learn his skills or develope that approach over night, either.
>
> I'm rarely in a rush to finish any project and I often go in the shop just to hang out, maybe plan a project, plan to sharpen tools (usually on a rainy day), etc. I may do a simple project just to kill time, do some carving, have a beer, visit (if someone has come over) and the like. When doing small "relaxing" projects, I don't always use the power tools. Using hand tools is gratifying.... but I'm not anxious to rip with a hand saw, either.
Thursday Throwback, a few hours early.
JOAT (Jack-Of-All-Trades), one of the denizens of the WREC a few years
back, described this "shop thing" succinctly:
"My shop helps me relax, makes me feel better (more "up" I guess you
would say), and helps ease the headache. It is enough sometimes just to
know it is there, that it's mine. Sometimes I go out there for hours
making something, sometimes I just piddle around, sometimes I do a
little and then just sit for awhile, and sometimes all I do is just sit,
listen to music, smell the sawdust, watch the birds and squirrels, and
don't think about anything much at all."
Once again, thanks JOAT, that pretty well still describes it for me!
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On 4/16/2014 4:57 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 4/16/2014 11:08 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>
>> I'm curious. Given adequate free time, would any of you do the
>> rip-sawing and thickness-planing by hand?
>
> Not any more ... but, the ability to be able to do it, if it is the only
> way to get the job done ... Priceless. ;)
>
>> Untouched as I am by any
>> personal experience, I think I can see how there would be real
>> satisfaction in doing the joinery by hand, but I'm less convinced that I
>> would find all that thickness-planing "un trabajo feliz".
>
> Luckily, both my grandfather's, and my Dad, were self reliant men in a
> self reliant culture, so I was blessed to have been exposed to the use
> of woodworking hand tools early in life. Mostly by my maternal
> grandfather who had a shop, sawmill, and built his farm buildings, home,
> and the furniture that went into it.
>
> I wouldn't necessarily advocate that everyone start off with only hand
> tools in the 21 century, but skills, once learned to a level adequate
> for most jobs, tend to stick with you, and come in handy even though you
> may be rusty.
I think this holds true with most anything and may be one of the reasons
that some people have difficulty in learning to using computer drawing
programs. Having a formally taught back ground in analog? drafting
seemed to have helped me greatly 28 years ago when I first started using
CAD programs.
>
> I recently installed crown, base and shoe mostly by hand (I did use a
> finish nail gun) in a bedroom remodel. Learned to cope inside miter
> joints when I was around ten, and here, 60 later, it's was like riding a
> bicycle. And, by being able to do so, I managed to save and reuse a
> quite a bit of trim that was no longer available in a house 90 years
> old; and a good deal of time to boot by not having to remove but one
> side of the trim on intersecting walls.
>
> Basically, and though I have never even been anything but barely
> adequate with hand tools, I can't count the number of times what I did
> learn as a youngster has saved my bacon.
>
> And ... I grew up in an age when there were actually SHOPS to be seen in
> public schools ... Man, have we lost an incalculable amount of desirable
> human traits, skills, and basic psychological/cultural health, in that
> regard.
>
On 4/16/2014 10:36 AM, Bill wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
>>>> Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
>>>> or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
>>> I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
>> ??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
>> wasn't.
>
> You're kill-filed. Recommend others consider likewise.
WHY?
--
Jeff
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 12:31:39 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
>I mostly do Dovetails by hand, I have only done machined a couple of
>times... I like hand dovetailing, I just consider it a nice touch.. If I
>had a lot of draws, I might bring out the jig, but I always find that I
>get the precision I desire, and look from hand cut.
And, from what I've read by a few other experienced woodworkers here,
dovetail jigs are frequently a pain to setup properly.
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 17:54:19 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
>So you are here to tell me that still being able to shoot a sight with
>a sextant from the deck of a pitching boat or still being able to
>use my Post, log-log-desi-trig slide rule to run a string of
>calculations,
>still has value for something other than collecting a few drinks
>proving you still know how to use those tools?
>Who would have thunk it?
You never know, a series of electromagnetic surges from a solar storm
could well knock out power for considerable time. Those sextants and
slide rules might be worth their weight in gold ~ If anyone remembers
how to use them. There might be a surge of baby boomers getting hired
for outlandish wages. :)
On 4/18/2014 9:18 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> brain to chew on, during my commute to work, for instance. I turn the
> pieces around in my head, reshape them, fit them together and mostly
> puzzle out how to turn those ideas into reality given my current
> limitations. Definitely an aid to good mental health.
In woodworking one often gets greater satisfaction from how you did
something than you get out of the actual piece itself.
This is especially true when devising jigs and fixtures to do something
that no tool can do, and/or do it safely.
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[email protected] wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 02:53:38 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand
>> tools you might like this:
>>
>> http://www.woodworksbb.es/
>>
>> I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video.
>
> Great video and a true craftsman.
>
> I use FF and have a very slow DSL and had no problems with the video.
I didn't have any issue with the streaming, but I did find the amount of
echo in the video to be very annoying.
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Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>
> "woodchucker" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> Too bad it was Vimeo... mine kept freezing and I had to hit pause
>> then continue... was this just me... or do others experience this.
>>
> I have always had problems with vimeo. I think it is used to piss off
> people and computers. It seems to run better in chrome. My wife's
> computer won't run it at all. I can get it to work in chrome on her
> machine about half the time with chrome.
>
> And among people we have sent videos to, about half of them can't run
> vimeo either. Why do people use us problematic formats?
>
I didn't have any problems at all with it, but I expect the difference
may be due to having a separate video card on my computer compared to
one with a graphics processor which is built into the main processor
(CPU). The latter may be fine for most purposes, but is lesser in
comparison.
[email protected] wrote:
>> If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand
>> tools you might like this:
>> http://www.woodworksbb.es/
> Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
> or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
[email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
>>> Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
>>> or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
>> I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
> ??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
> wasn't.
You're kill-filed. Recommend others consider likewise.
woodchucker wrote:
> On 4/16/2014 10:36 AM, Bill wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
>>>>> Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
>>>>> or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
>>>> I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
>>> ??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
>>> wasn't.
>>
>> You're kill-filed. Recommend others consider likewise.
> WHY?
>
http://www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html
On 4/15/2014 2:53 AM, Bill wrote:
> If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand
> tools you might like this:
>
> http://www.woodworksbb.es/
>
> I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video.
Geez. His pile of shavings is nicer than some of my work, and his shop
is neater than my house. Whoever complained about the reverberation on
the video can blame the large uncluttered shop. As if that isn't enough
to be jealous of, apparently the video was shot "con luz natural".
I'm curious. Given adequate free time, would any of you do the
rip-sawing and thickness-planing by hand? Untouched as I am by any
personal experience, I think I can see how there would be real
satisfaction in doing the joinery by hand, but I'm less convinced that I
would find all that thickness-planing "un trabajo feliz".
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On 4/16/2014 12:08 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> On 4/15/2014 2:53 AM, Bill wrote:
>> If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand
>> tools you might like this:
>>
>> http://www.woodworksbb.es/
>>
>> I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video.
>
> Geez. His pile of shavings is nicer than some of my work, and his shop
> is neater than my house. Whoever complained about the reverberation on
> the video can blame the large uncluttered shop. As if that isn't enough
> to be jealous of, apparently the video was shot "con luz natural".
>
> I'm curious. Given adequate free time, would any of you do the
> rip-sawing and thickness-planing by hand? Untouched as I am by any
> personal experience, I think I can see how there would be real
> satisfaction in doing the joinery by hand, but I'm less convinced that I
> would find all that thickness-planing "un trabajo feliz".
>
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I don't know about others but I am quite happy just to get good Joinery
by machine
woodchucker wrote:
> On 4/16/2014 11:00 AM, Bill wrote:
>> woodchucker wrote:
>>> On 4/16/2014 10:36 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power
>>>>>>> tools
>>>>>>> or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
>>>>>> I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
>>>>> ??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
>>>>> wasn't.
>>>>
>>>> You're kill-filed. Recommend others consider likewise.
>>> WHY?
>>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html
>
> I know what a troll is, what bothered you about his post.
That along with "unnecessary bickering" with krw made me put him in the
"troll" category.
Am I wrong? I want to do what I can to reduce troll-participation.
Trolls seek to waste our time and
denigrate our newsgroups.
Swingman wrote:
> On 4/16/2014 9:36 AM, Bill wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
>>>>> Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
>>>>> or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
>>>> I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
>>> ??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
>>> wasn't.
>>
>> You're kill-filed. Recommend others consider likewise.
>
> Might want to reconsider. Dave is not a troll by any definition of the
> word, or deed.
>
I'm willing to reconsider and apologize. Wasn't he the one carrying on
an ongoing bicker-session with krw?
As you may know, I don't come here to argue with anyone. Maybe it was a
misunderstanding?
His post appeared to exhibit "troll behavior" though. Maybe I can take
classes on recognizing troll behavior
when I see it...
Bill
[email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
>>> Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
>>> or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
>> I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
> ??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
> wasn't.
No, it's trolling if you try to split the group too.
Since you have some supporters, I unkill-filed you (not that you have to
care..lol).
I've been wrong before, this surely won't be the last time.
Bill
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 18:43:11 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>woodchucker wrote:
>> On 4/16/2014 11:00 AM, Bill wrote:
>>> woodchucker wrote:
>>>> On 4/16/2014 10:36 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power
>>>>>>>> tools
>>>>>>>> or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
>>>>>>> I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
>>>>>> ??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
>>>>>> wasn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're kill-filed. Recommend others consider likewise.
>>>> WHY?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html
>>
>> I know what a troll is, what bothered you about his post.
>
>That along with "unnecessary bickering" with krw made me put him in the
>"troll" category.
>Am I wrong? I want to do what I can to reduce troll-participation.
>Trolls seek to waste our time and
>denigrate our newsgroups.
Congratulations Billy boy ! You are even a bigger pussy than Leon ! ~g~
You wouldn't know a troll if it crawled up your vagina and set fire to
your ovaries.
Good luck - let us all know how that kill-file works out for ya.
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[email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 16:57:24 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> And ... I grew up in an age when there were actually SHOPS to be seen in
>> public schools ... Man, have we lost an incalculable amount of desirable
>> human traits, skills, and basic psychological/cultural health, in that
>> regard.
> The ridiculous thing about all of it is that now, some of the well
> paying, life supporting jobs are the plumber, electrician and similar
> type jobs.
> When I went to school, those were the lower tier jobs that
> the less motivated students were streamed into.
Schools don't get rewarded with tax money for successfully streaming
students into those jobs. Now the schools don't even help students to
prepare for those jobs.
Community colleges have some programs, such as HVAC.
Leon wrote:
> On 4/16/2014 5:47 PM, Bill wrote:
>>
>> His post appeared to exhibit "troll behavior" though. Maybe I can take
>> classes on recognizing troll behavior
>> when I see it...
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>>
> If you want an exact definition of a troll, take a look at who
> responded to you in a rather vulgar manner at 8:05 pm.
I had already forgotten about that one until I looked it up! It looks
like he likes you too! ;)
On 4/16/2014 11:01 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 4/16/2014 8:23 PM, Sonny wrote:
>> Seems to me he's in his shop just relaxing, taking his time, doing
>> precision work. He didn't learn his skills or develope that approach
>> over night, either.
>>
>> I'm rarely in a rush to finish any project and I often go in the shop
>> just to hang out, maybe plan a project, plan to sharpen tools (usually
>> on a rainy day), etc. I may do a simple project just to kill time,
>> do some carving, have a beer, visit (if someone has come over) and the
>> like. When doing small "relaxing" projects, I don't always use the
>> power tools. Using hand tools is gratifying.... but I'm not anxious
>> to rip with a hand saw, either.
>
> Thursday Throwback, a few hours early.
>
> JOAT (Jack-Of-All-Trades), one of the denizens of the WREC a few years
> back, described this "shop thing" succinctly:
>
> "My shop helps me relax, makes me feel better (more "up" I guess you
> would say), and helps ease the headache. It is enough sometimes just to
> know it is there, that it's mine. Sometimes I go out there for hours
> making something, sometimes I just piddle around, sometimes I do a
> little and then just sit for awhile, and sometimes all I do is just sit,
> listen to music, smell the sawdust, watch the birds and squirrels, and
> don't think about anything much at all."
>
> Once again, thanks JOAT, that pretty well still describes it for me!
>
I'm something of a "thinker" by nature, and I am blessed/afflicted with
many of the consequences of that condition.
The last couple of years have presented a lot of challenges, and a guy
like me might tend to spend idle moments churning the permutations
around in my head. Having a project in progress ("in progress" is a
long-lasting condition for my projects) gives me something else for my
brain to chew on, during my commute to work, for instance. I turn the
pieces around in my head, reshape them, fit them together and mostly
puzzle out how to turn those ideas into reality given my current
limitations. Definitely an aid to good mental health.
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Swingman wrote:
> On 4/18/2014 9:18 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>
>> I'm something of a "thinker" by nature, and I am blessed/afflicted with
>> many of the consequences of that condition.
>
> Know the feeling all too well. My mind chews on a problem, and goes
> over and over possible solutions, like a dog on a bone ...even when
> I'm asleep.
>
> Can't tell you how many times I've woken out of a sleep with solutions
> to a problem, or ways to do something, I'd been wrestling with the day
> before.
>
> When I took an interest in computer programming in the late sixties
> there were no books at the bookstore, no online sources and you
> bascially had to puzzle things out yourself, sometimes by the brute
> force of trial and error.
Welcome to my life. ; )
>
> The reward is coming up with an "elegant" solution, even though you
> might find out later that you rebuilt a wheel some Wizard came up with
> before ... than you can just say "Great minds ..." ;)
>
Swingman wrote:
> On 4/16/2014 8:23 PM, Sonny wrote:
>> Seems to me he's in his shop just relaxing, taking his time, doing
>> precision work. He didn't learn his skills or develope that approach
>> over night, either.
>>
>> I'm rarely in a rush to finish any project and I often go in the shop
>> just to hang out, maybe plan a project, plan to sharpen tools
>> (usually on a rainy day), etc. I may do a simple project just to
>> kill time, do some carving, have a beer, visit (if someone has come
>> over) and the like. When doing small "relaxing" projects, I don't
>> always use the power tools. Using hand tools is gratifying.... but
>> I'm not anxious to rip with a hand saw, either.
>
> Thursday Throwback, a few hours early.
>
> JOAT (Jack-Of-All-Trades), one of the denizens of the WREC a few years
> back, described this "shop thing" succinctly:
>
> "My shop helps me relax, makes me feel better (more "up" I guess you
> would say), and helps ease the headache. It is enough sometimes just
> to know it is there, that it's mine. Sometimes I go out there for
> hours making something, sometimes I just piddle around, sometimes I do
> a little and then just sit for awhile, and sometimes all I do is just
> sit, listen to music, smell the sawdust, watch the birds and
> squirrels, and don't think about anything much at all."
>
> Once again, thanks JOAT, that pretty well still describes it for me!
>
I went out there for a while to resume my spring tidying-up. After we
get the holiday decorations out of the way ("squatters!"), things will
be dandy! I think JOAT knew what he was talking about!
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 16:24:05 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
>>Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
>>or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
>
>In the day, it was called an apprentice :-)
Sounds similar to my first shop teacher. He had us saw wood by hand
until we almost had blisters and then taught us to use the table saw.
His reasoning was we had to learn the basics before we went onto the
advanced stuff.
[email protected] writes:
>On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 16:57:24 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>And ... I grew up in an age when there were actually SHOPS to be seen in
>>public schools ... Man, have we lost an incalculable amount of desirable
>>human traits, skills, and basic psychological/cultural health, in that
>>regard.
>
>The ridiculous thing about all of it is that now, some of the well
>paying, life supporting jobs are the plumber, electrician and similar
>type jobs. When I went to school, those were the lower tier jobs that
>the less motivated students were streamed into.
Oddly enough, the many silicon valley high schools have industrial
arts programs, including wood shops.
>If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand
>tools you might like this: http://www.woodworksbb.es/
Outstanding video. Often I find myself FF thru a video, especially one
this long, but this was a joy to watch over coffee.
And I absolutely love the table. A clean lined utilitarian table.
Where can I get one? ;-)
>I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video.
I was beginning to think him devoid of facial expression until the end
when he smiled. A table to be proud of indeed. :-)
Thanks for sharing!
On 4/16/2014 11:04 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
> On 04/16/2014 08:01 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 4/16/2014 8:23 PM, Sonny wrote:
>>> Seems to me he's in his shop just relaxing, taking his time, doing
>>> precision work. He didn't learn his skills or develope that approach
>>> over night, either.
>>>
>>> I'm rarely in a rush to finish any project and I often go in the shop
>>> just to hang out, maybe plan a project, plan to sharpen tools (usually
>>> on a rainy day), etc. I may do a simple project just to kill time,
>>> do some carving, have a beer, visit (if someone has come over) and the
>>> like. When doing small "relaxing" projects, I don't always use the
>>> power tools. Using hand tools is gratifying.... but I'm not anxious
>>> to rip with a hand saw, either.
>>
>> Thursday Throwback, a few hours early.
>>
>> JOAT (Jack-Of-All-Trades), one of the denizens of the WREC a few years
>> back, described this "shop thing" succinctly:
>>
>> "My shop helps me relax, makes me feel better (more "up" I guess you
>> would say), and helps ease the headache. It is enough sometimes just to
>> know it is there, that it's mine. Sometimes I go out there for hours
>> making something, sometimes I just piddle around, sometimes I do a
>> little and then just sit for awhile, and sometimes all I do is just sit,
>> listen to music, smell the sawdust, watch the birds and squirrels, and
>> don't think about anything much at all."
>>
>> Once again, thanks JOAT, that pretty well still describes it for me!
>>
> AMEN
>
>
>
Yep..
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On 4/16/2014 10:00 AM, Bill wrote:
> woodchucker wrote:
>> On 4/16/2014 10:36 AM, Bill wrote:
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
>>>>>> or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
>>>>> I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
>>>> ??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
>>>> wasn't.
>>>
>>> You're kill-filed. Recommend others consider likewise.
>> WHY?
>>
>
>
> http://www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html
You just have not gotten to know him. He does not raise hell to be a
PIA. He just likes to defend his position, like some on else I know. ;~0
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 16:57:24 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>And ... I grew up in an age when there were actually SHOPS to be seen in
>public schools ... Man, have we lost an incalculable amount of desirable
>human traits, skills, and basic psychological/cultural health, in that
>regard.
The ridiculous thing about all of it is that now, some of the well
paying, life supporting jobs are the plumber, electrician and similar
type jobs. When I went to school, those were the lower tier jobs that
the less motivated students were streamed into.
"woodchucker" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>Too bad it was Vimeo... mine kept freezing and I had to hit pause then
>continue... was this just me... or do others experience this.
I had no problem... I use Chrome...
On 4/16/2014 11:08 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> I'm curious. Given adequate free time, would any of you do the
> rip-sawing and thickness-planing by hand?
Not any more ... but, the ability to be able to do it, if it is the only
way to get the job done ... Priceless. ;)
> Untouched as I am by any
> personal experience, I think I can see how there would be real
> satisfaction in doing the joinery by hand, but I'm less convinced that I
> would find all that thickness-planing "un trabajo feliz".
Luckily, both my grandfather's, and my Dad, were self reliant men in a
self reliant culture, so I was blessed to have been exposed to the use
of woodworking hand tools early in life. Mostly by my maternal
grandfather who had a shop, sawmill, and built his farm buildings, home,
and the furniture that went into it.
I wouldn't necessarily advocate that everyone start off with only hand
tools in the 21 century, but skills, once learned to a level adequate
for most jobs, tend to stick with you, and come in handy even though you
may be rusty.
I recently installed crown, base and shoe mostly by hand (I did use a
finish nail gun) in a bedroom remodel. Learned to cope inside miter
joints when I was around ten, and here, 60 later, it's was like riding a
bicycle. And, by being able to do so, I managed to save and reuse a
quite a bit of trim that was no longer available in a house 90 years
old; and a good deal of time to boot by not having to remove but one
side of the trim on intersecting walls.
Basically, and though I have never even been anything but barely
adequate with hand tools, I can't count the number of times what I did
learn as a youngster has saved my bacon.
And ... I grew up in an age when there were actually SHOPS to be seen in
public schools ... Man, have we lost an incalculable amount of desirable
human traits, skills, and basic psychological/cultural health, in that
regard.
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On 4/20/2014 6:58 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Saturday, April 19, 2014 9:08:48 AM UTC-5, woodchucker wrote:
>> who knows we may experience the first Atomic bomb since it's
>> first test in the deserts of NM.. we may do it in a populous area and we
>> might need to go old fashion for a while.
>>
>> How did we get here?
>>
>> Jeff
>
> Hiroshima. Nagasaki. Not sure what it implies about people when they forget there were two atomic bombs dropped on Japan in August 1945 after the test atomic explosion in the deserts of New Mexico.
>
I meant in the states.
There were actually a few above ground before they went below ground,
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