Just got mine today. Work light. 1-1/2 HP. Air nozzle to keep the
cutting area clean. Uses a serpentine style belt. 4" dust collector
port that WORKS. comes with the fence and miter. Great fit and finish.
runs quietly WITHOUT vibration!! Yeah! Gone are my Delta vibe blues!!
The insert is perforated to allow more sawdust to reach the DC.
Carter guides and quick release lever. brackets on stand to hold miter
and fence. Pretty much a tricked out clone of the Delta. Same basic
size and shape. Cost? Got it for $765 plus tax. Normal price is $849.
Is there ANYTHING I don't like about? One little nitpick, it's hard to
release the small wing nuts to adjust the guides. I've had to use
pliers on them. It takes 3 metric allen wrenches for assembly, but PM
provided only two. Pretty minor stuff!
Boy am I glad I got a refund on the Delta.
dave
hey rich, how's 'bout "JOAT-good(well maybe OK), Bay Area Dave - bad,
Rich - Worse!" <g>
I'm kinda tired; think I'll sit the rest of the flame wars out...
(Do I need to quote the source for each word, lest I offend the
plagiarism police? )
The "I'm kinda tired" is attributed to Forrest Gump, and the "think I'll
sit the rest of the flame wars out" is attributed to 1,438 previous
Wreck posters. Did I miss anything?
dave
Rich wrote:
snip
> JOAT-good(well maybe OK), Bay Area Dave - bad.
>
> Rich
Congrats Dave!
It sounds great. I'm still trying to work out my resawing drifting problem
on the Delta I just bought. Have you tried resawing anything on it yet?
Matt
Bay Area Dave wrote:
> Just got mine today. Work light. 1-1/2 HP. Air nozzle to keep the
> cutting area clean. Uses a serpentine style belt. 4" dust collector
> port that WORKS. comes with the fence and miter. Great fit and finish.
> runs quietly WITHOUT vibration!! Yeah! Gone are my Delta vibe blues!!
> The insert is perforated to allow more sawdust to reach the DC.
> Carter guides and quick release lever. brackets on stand to hold miter
> and fence. Pretty much a tricked out clone of the Delta. Same basic
> size and shape. Cost? Got it for $765 plus tax. Normal price is $849.
>
> Is there ANYTHING I don't like about? One little nitpick, it's hard to
> release the small wing nuts to adjust the guides. I've had to use
> pliers on them. It takes 3 metric allen wrenches for assembly, but PM
> provided only two. Pretty minor stuff!
>
> Boy am I glad I got a refund on the Delta.
>
> dave
Thanks for the drifting tips. I just moved my shop, so I will try another blade
to see if that fixes my drifting problem.
Thanks again!
Matt
Nut Tree wrote:
> In listening to the "experts" hock their wares at the wood show this week
> end Dave Woodland said that all new bandsaw blades cut straight right out of
> the box. We train them to cut with a drift. He was selling a fence for the
> band saw but explained about drift being a real problem with old stamped
> blades. The new ones with milled teeth should cut straight with a lower
> tension as that is how they are designed. We train them to cut with drift
> by using them to cut curves or patterns. If you have a blade that you only
> use to resaw, them it should always cut straight. At least that is what his
> claim was. He demonstrated this but of course he is a salesman.
> FWIW
Yes. it works fine, even with the stock blade. I've got a wider blade
sitting in the shop that I'll try today. The new BS is so cool! The
little air nozzle to keep the line clean works and I love having a light
right on the tool. As I was modifying a Delta mobile base to fit the
BS, I had to use my DP, which doesn't have a worklight and I thought how
nice it'll be to have one on the BS. If I put an aftermarket light on
the DP I still have to run a wire to the wall which is not nearly as
elegant as a built in light.
dave
Matt Zach wrote:
> Congrats Dave!
> It sounds great. I'm still trying to work out my resawing drifting problem
> on the Delta I just bought. Have you tried resawing anything on it yet?
> Matt
>
> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>
>
>>Just got mine today. Work light. 1-1/2 HP. Air nozzle to keep the
>>cutting area clean. Uses a serpentine style belt. 4" dust collector
>>port that WORKS. comes with the fence and miter. Great fit and finish.
>> runs quietly WITHOUT vibration!! Yeah! Gone are my Delta vibe blues!!
>> The insert is perforated to allow more sawdust to reach the DC.
>>Carter guides and quick release lever. brackets on stand to hold miter
>>and fence. Pretty much a tricked out clone of the Delta. Same basic
>>size and shape. Cost? Got it for $765 plus tax. Normal price is $849.
>>
>>Is there ANYTHING I don't like about? One little nitpick, it's hard to
>>release the small wing nuts to adjust the guides. I've had to use
>>pliers on them. It takes 3 metric allen wrenches for assembly, but PM
>>provided only two. Pretty minor stuff!
>>
>>Boy am I glad I got a refund on the Delta.
>>
>>dave
>
>
Matt,
http://www.rd.com/americanwoodworker/articles/200008/main/page4.html covers
drift angles reasonably well, note that drift is to be expected. You will
find that the drift angle may vary by blade and is not necessarily the fault
of the BS itself.
Some causes attributed are:
- the blade being sharper on one side than the other (personally, I wonder
about this one)
- the set of the teeth
- insufficient tension
- having the guides unnecessarily high, lower the guard to just above the
wood surface.
- poor heat treatment of the blade resulting in uneven tension.
- poor quality blade generally (Timberwolf make good blades
http://www.suffolkmachinery.com/)
A good reference is "Bandsaw Handbook" by Mark Duginske, Sterling, ISBN 0
8069 6398 0
Greg
"Matt Zach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Congrats Dave!
> It sounds great. I'm still trying to work out my resawing drifting problem
> on the Delta I just bought. Have you tried resawing anything on it yet?
> Matt
The "New American Pie"?: ".... there are no mules in Missouri and the levy
is dry"
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Last update: 9/21/03
"mttt" wrote in message
>
> "Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> >
> > We no longer have our own mules.
> >
> > We outsource our mule work and expect the mules to provide their own
> > harnesses, insurance, consumables, etc.
>
> Outsourced to India, I'll bet!
> Harrruumph!
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:52:36 GMT, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Ya forgot the mobile base and harness for the mules.
Dear Sir:
We no longer have our own mules.
We outsource our mule work and expect the mules to provide their own
harnesses, insurance, consumables, etc.
In fact, although we started out in the mule business, we no longer
have anyone at corporate who knows anything about mules.
Thank you for your interest.
Constance Chartinhander, MBA.
Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
Dave by The Bay:
Holy Moly... I remember your thread on the Delta last last spring. I am in
the market for a new BS. I went out to the powermatic web site and was
looking for info and did not find any. However, I did find a owners manual
for a 14" pwbs14. Is this the same one as yours??
Rich
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just got mine today. Work light. 1-1/2 HP. Air nozzle to keep the
> cutting area clean. Uses a serpentine style belt. 4" dust collector
> port that WORKS. comes with the fence and miter. Great fit and finish.
> runs quietly WITHOUT vibration!! Yeah! Gone are my Delta vibe blues!!
> The insert is perforated to allow more sawdust to reach the DC.
> Carter guides and quick release lever. brackets on stand to hold miter
> and fence. Pretty much a tricked out clone of the Delta. Same basic
> size and shape. Cost? Got it for $765 plus tax. Normal price is $849.
>
> Is there ANYTHING I don't like about? One little nitpick, it's hard to
> release the small wing nuts to adjust the guides. I've had to use
> pliers on them. It takes 3 metric allen wrenches for assembly, but PM
> provided only two. Pretty minor stuff!
>
> Boy am I glad I got a refund on the Delta.
>
>
> dave
>
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Congratulations, got my BS last year. Paid a measly US$500 incl tax and
> extra blades.
>
> Made in Taiwan, 2 hp, uses ambient light, no vibration, fence and mitre
> gauge standard, easy to release wing nuts on guides, runs quietly,
> perforated insert (for those unable to drill holes), bearing guides, quick
> release lever, you can blow the dust away with your mouth if the twin 4"
> dust ports haven't already dealt with it.
>
> Oh, and it's 17" - not 14".
>
> But really, it cuts wood, which is why I bought it - thick, hard, wood, all
> day long. It cuts straight, it takes up to a 1" blade with comfort, it has a
> large table to rest logs on, the trunnions are strong and don't flex. You
> can remove the doors in 4 seconds flat and replace the blade in under a
> minute. It also has view windows to allow you to check the blade tracking
> with the wheels turning and doors on and closed for safety.
>
> Drawbacks? It's heavy, no, wait, that's not really a drawback, is it?
>
> But for anyone looking for a real man's bandsaw *and* a great deal, try
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/oldwwmachines/message/20937
>
> where David Eisan (remember him?) got a Wadkin C500 for ~$127 USD, normal
> price has multiple 000s. I suspect David has enough cash left to buy a shiny
> new DW735 (but won't). He'll probably find some old rusty aircraft carrier
> sized lump of metal to go with his 16" jointer.
>
> Remember folks, at the end of the day, it's all about how the tool cuts
> wood, looks simply don't help, neither does the price.
Doncha just love the smell of napalm in the morning?
<GDR>
--
Regards,
Rick
(Remove the HIGH SPOTS for e-mail)
yeah, it's got the Delta beat in quality and operation. I was SO
unhappy with the Delta, especially for the cost. and their support is
marginal IMHO. For all those who like Delta products, don't get me
wrong; I've got a Unisaw and their DP, and love them both. Just don't
like their BS.
dave
Bob Gramza wrote:
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> : Just got mine today. Work light. 1-1/2 HP. Air nozzle to keep the
> : cutting area clean. Uses a serpentine style belt. 4" dust collector
> : port that WORKS. comes with the fence and miter. Great fit and finish.
> : runs quietly WITHOUT vibration!! Yeah! Gone are my Delta vibe blues!!
> : The insert is perforated to allow more sawdust to reach the DC.
> : Carter guides and quick release lever. brackets on stand to hold miter
> : and fence. Pretty much a tricked out clone of the Delta. Same basic
> : size and shape. Cost? Got it for $765 plus tax. Normal price is $849.
> :
> : Is there ANYTHING I don't like about? One little nitpick, it's hard to
> : release the small wing nuts to adjust the guides. I've had to use
> : pliers on them. It takes 3 metric allen wrenches for assembly, but PM
> : provided only two. Pretty minor stuff!
> :
> : Boy am I glad I got a refund on the Delta.
> :
> :
> : dave
> :
>
> I looked that one over at the local Woodcraft a few weeks ago. It definitely is built with the
> quality you would expect .
>
>
Hi, Rich,
It is the model number in the thread title. I can't find it on their
web site either. It is KILLER! Runs like a Husvarna (Viking) sewing
machine. Sweet, sweet, SWEET! It's light years nicer than the Delta.
I just made room for it today by putting my DC on a shelf above the
garbage can separator. Now I have enough room to work in my shop. I
spent about 7 hours today cleaning up the shop. Setting up the
Powermatic took longer than the Delta (not that it isn't well adjusted;
it's just that there is an extra table behind the main table that takes
some time to adjust exactly level with the main table). I finally
rolled the belt onto the pulleys, as I couldn't tighten the motor
properly with the belt installed, even with 2 people. Try to find one
in a store and check it out. I made up my mind in less than 10 minutes,
once I got my hands on one at the WW show. They plugged it in so I
could run it. As soon as I saw it ran as well as it looked, I told them
I'd take it. I'm one happy camper!
The instructions for assembly could be a bit more explicit. It took me
a while to interpret their intentions. Their tech support is wonderful
though, so if you have any questions, don't hesitate to call them.
dave
RKON wrote:
> Dave by The Bay:
>
> Holy Moly... I remember your thread on the Delta last last spring. I am in
> the market for a new BS. I went out to the powermatic web site and was
> looking for info and did not find any. However, I did find a owners manual
> for a 14" pwbs14. Is this the same one as yours??
>
> Rich
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Just got mine today. Work light. 1-1/2 HP. Air nozzle to keep the
>>cutting area clean. Uses a serpentine style belt. 4" dust collector
>>port that WORKS. comes with the fence and miter. Great fit and finish.
>> runs quietly WITHOUT vibration!! Yeah! Gone are my Delta vibe blues!!
>> The insert is perforated to allow more sawdust to reach the DC.
>>Carter guides and quick release lever. brackets on stand to hold miter
>>and fence. Pretty much a tricked out clone of the Delta. Same basic
>>size and shape. Cost? Got it for $765 plus tax. Normal price is $849.
>>
>>Is there ANYTHING I don't like about? One little nitpick, it's hard to
>>release the small wing nuts to adjust the guides. I've had to use
>>pliers on them. It takes 3 metric allen wrenches for assembly, but PM
>>provided only two. Pretty minor stuff!
>>
>>Boy am I glad I got a refund on the Delta.
>>
>>
>>dave
>>
>
>
>
So bye bye bay area dave
too his uni to the levy
but he really overpaid
and good ole boys sitting on the moron bench
hoping this will be the day that he dies.
Maybe not dies, just goes away.
There's debate whether he's a troll or not. If you check his posting
patterns, which is easy to do in the google archive, you can see he
frequents many of the same forums as the puppy wizard, among other
known trolls. If doesn't take a detective to figure out that his
pissing off of people on other forums led them to rec.woodworking.
Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> With your logic, JOAT is the cause of the other idiot who posts "JOAT
> love blah blah blah". IS that correct, Brainiac?
Dave,
Please try to comprehend! What I'm saying is that you're the cause of
"the other idiot who posts "JOAT love blah blah blah"". You made the
same ass of yourself on the other boards that they already frequented
and they followed you over here. Through google, I can see your
posting history, I know where you've been. JOAT just stood up to them
in an attempt to keep this group fit for human comsumption. Now to
put in a form you might understand:
JOAT-good(well maybe OK), Bay Area Dave - bad.
Rich
Congratulations, got my BS last year. Paid a measly US$500 incl tax and
extra blades.
Made in Taiwan, 2 hp, uses ambient light, no vibration, fence and mitre
gauge standard, easy to release wing nuts on guides, runs quietly,
perforated insert (for those unable to drill holes), bearing guides, quick
release lever, you can blow the dust away with your mouth if the twin 4"
dust ports haven't already dealt with it.
Oh, and it's 17" - not 14".
But really, it cuts wood, which is why I bought it - thick, hard, wood, all
day long. It cuts straight, it takes up to a 1" blade with comfort, it has a
large table to rest logs on, the trunnions are strong and don't flex. You
can remove the doors in 4 seconds flat and replace the blade in under a
minute. It also has view windows to allow you to check the blade tracking
with the wheels turning and doors on and closed for safety.
Drawbacks? It's heavy, no, wait, that's not really a drawback, is it?
But for anyone looking for a real man's bandsaw *and* a great deal, try
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/oldwwmachines/message/20937
where David Eisan (remember him?) got a Wadkin C500 for ~$127 USD, normal
price has multiple 000s. I suspect David has enough cash left to buy a shiny
new DW735 (but won't). He'll probably find some old rusty aircraft carrier
sized lump of metal to go with his 16" jointer.
Remember folks, at the end of the day, it's all about how the tool cuts
wood, looks simply don't help, neither does the price.
Greg
"Bay Area Dave" gripped himself firmly and squeaked:...
> Just got mine today. Work light. 1-1/2 HP. Air nozzle to keep the
> cutting area clean. Uses a serpentine style belt. 4" dust collector
> port that WORKS. comes with the fence and miter. Great fit and finish.
> runs quietly WITHOUT vibration!! Yeah! Gone are my Delta vibe blues!!
> The insert is perforated to allow more sawdust to reach the DC.
> Carter guides and quick release lever. brackets on stand to hold miter
> and fence. Pretty much a tricked out clone of the Delta. Same basic
> size and shape. Cost? Got it for $765 plus tax. Normal price is $849.
>
> Is there ANYTHING I don't like about? One little nitpick, it's hard to
> release the small wing nuts to adjust the guides. I've had to use
> pliers on them. It takes 3 metric allen wrenches for assembly, but PM
> provided only two. Pretty minor stuff!
>
> Boy am I glad I got a refund on the Delta.
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:09:55 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Yes. it works fine, even with the stock blade. I've got a wider blade
>sitting in the shop that I'll try today. The new BS is so cool! The
>little air nozzle to keep the line clean works and I love having a light
>right on the tool. As I was modifying a Delta mobile base to fit the
>BS, I had to use my DP, which doesn't have a worklight and I thought how
>nice it'll be to have one on the BS. If I put an aftermarket light on
>the DP I still have to run a wire to the wall which is not nearly as
>elegant as a built in light.
Just got a Powermatic catalog today, bundled with the current issue of
Cabinetmaker magazine.
Looks like the way to go, for a smaller shop, is with the WBS36
Bandsaw.
32 x 48 cast iron table.
33-3/4" Throat Depth.
245" Blade Length.
Supplied with a 1-5/8" blade. (will take up to 2")
Gross Weight: 1968 lbs.
Three drive belts.
7.5 hp motor.
$6,873.00.
Hell, I wouldn't settle for anything less.
Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
Ya forgot the mobile base and harness for the mules.
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"Tom Watson" wrote in message
> Gross Weight: 1968 lbs.
>
> Three drive belts.
>
> 7.5 hp motor.
>
> $6,873.00.
>
>
>
> Hell, I wouldn't settle for anything less.
>
>
> Regards, Tom
> Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
> Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
> http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
In listening to the "experts" hock their wares at the wood show this week
end Dave Woodland said that all new bandsaw blades cut straight right out of
the box. We train them to cut with a drift. He was selling a fence for the
band saw but explained about drift being a real problem with old stamped
blades. The new ones with milled teeth should cut straight with a lower
tension as that is how they are designed. We train them to cut with drift
by using them to cut curves or patterns. If you have a blade that you only
use to resaw, them it should always cut straight. At least that is what his
claim was. He demonstrated this but of course he is a salesman.
FWIW
did your momma forget to lock up her keyboard again?
I've probably caused the hole in the ozone layer too. The Puppy Whizzer
is demented enough that he didn't any encouragement from me.
With your logic, JOAT is the cause of the other idiot who posts "JOAT
love blah blah blah". IS that correct, Brainiac?
You little ditty is kinda cute though. Just enough to keep you in the
running.
Now go to your room.
dave
Rich wrote:
> So bye bye bay area dave
> too his uni to the levy
> but he really overpaid
> and good ole boys sitting on the moron bench
> hoping this will be the day that he dies.
>
> Maybe not dies, just goes away.
>
> There's debate whether he's a troll or not. If you check his posting
> patterns, which is easy to do in the google archive, you can see he
> frequents many of the same forums as the puppy wizard, among other
> known trolls. If doesn't take a detective to figure out that his
> pissing off of people on other forums led them to rec.woodworking.
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
: Just got mine today. Work light. 1-1/2 HP. Air nozzle to keep the
: cutting area clean. Uses a serpentine style belt. 4" dust collector
: port that WORKS. comes with the fence and miter. Great fit and finish.
: runs quietly WITHOUT vibration!! Yeah! Gone are my Delta vibe blues!!
: The insert is perforated to allow more sawdust to reach the DC.
: Carter guides and quick release lever. brackets on stand to hold miter
: and fence. Pretty much a tricked out clone of the Delta. Same basic
: size and shape. Cost? Got it for $765 plus tax. Normal price is $849.
:
: Is there ANYTHING I don't like about? One little nitpick, it's hard to
: release the small wing nuts to adjust the guides. I've had to use
: pliers on them. It takes 3 metric allen wrenches for assembly, but PM
: provided only two. Pretty minor stuff!
:
: Boy am I glad I got a refund on the Delta.
:
:
: dave
:
I looked that one over at the local Woodcraft a few weeks ago. It definitely is built with the
quality you would expect .
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> We no longer have our own mules.
>
> We outsource our mule work and expect the mules to provide their own
> harnesses, insurance, consumables, etc.
Outsourced to India, I'll bet!
Harrruumph!
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> The "New American Pie"?: ".... there are no mules in Missouri and the
levy
> is dry"
McLean won't explain the first one, so I'm game for a new one.
See: http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_398b.html
Direct response from Don at the bottom.