Do dust collectors (in this case, the HF 2hp) have the power to suck
dust up one floor? My shop space in the basement is extremely tight, and
I was thinking that I could put the dust collector outside in the
attached shed, run the hose through the basement window. Have the
seperator in the basement though to take care of the "big" stuff.
John
It is a trade off between utility costs and heath costs. Because these units
let the smaller dust particles (the ones that can make it into your lungs)
through the bag they are actually meant to be set outside unless they are used
mainly for a planer or a jointer. JG
Joe C wrote:
> John,
>
> If you've got a preseparator in the basement, I strongly suspect your 2hp
> collector would suck whatever is left up 3 floors. IME, the stuff thats
> left after the preseparator is so light, you won't have any trouble at all.
>
> One thing to keep in mind, though. You'll be removing 1100 cfm of heated
> (winter) or cooled (summer) air from your house while your collector is
> running. That air *will* be coming back in your house from the outside
> through various means. You *will* see an increase in your utility costs.
>
> Joe C.
>
> "JohnT." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Do dust collectors (in this case, the HF 2hp) have the power to suck
> > dust up one floor? My shop space in the basement is extremely tight, and
> > I was thinking that I could put the dust collector outside in the
> > attached shed, run the hose through the basement window. Have the
> > seperator in the basement though to take care of the "big" stuff.
> >
> > John
> >
John
Just be careful, not only will you be removing up to 1200 cfm from
your house but if there is not an ample air return you will probably
suck the make up air in thru places like your heater and water
chimmney. This could lead to problems such as carbon monoxide
poisioning. Be careful and think it through.
The head loss of air moving up one floor is small compared to the duct
losses in your piping.
The heat loss assuming a temperature difference of 30 degrees (in vs
out) and full flow using gas heat at today's cost would be about 35
cents per hour.
Howard
"JohnT." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Do dust collectors (in this case, the HF 2hp) have the power to suck
> dust up one floor? My shop space in the basement is extremely tight, and
> I was thinking that I could put the dust collector outside in the
> attached shed, run the hose through the basement window. Have the
> seperator in the basement though to take care of the "big" stuff.
>
> John
"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Eric Yancey wrote:
> > John,
> >
> > I just finished building a shed outside my basement shop primarily to get
> > the dust collector out of the shop to free up some space. This evening I
>
>
>
> No, actually what you just did was post four copies of the same reply.
Thanks for pointing out the obvious. I was suprised to see all those
replies this morning when I logged on.
I'm not sure how it happened, the news server I was posting to kept
returning errors. It appears as though even though the message never
left my outbox the message was actually posted each time I attempted
to send.
Sorry for the duplicate posts.
Eric
"JohnT." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Do dust collectors (in this case, the HF 2hp) have the power to suck dust
> up one floor? My shop space in the basement is extremely tight, and I was
> thinking that I could put the dust collector outside in the attached shed,
> run the hose through the basement window. Have the seperator in the
> basement though to take care of the "big" stuff.
Many shops have the DC piping on the ceiling. You are only adding a couple
of feet elevation. A 2HP should be able to carry it. Of course there will
be some loss, but most DC of that size can easily handle two or three tools
simultaneously. Running one tool should be OK.
Keep in mind what Joe C said about removing the heated/cooled air. As you
suck it out, other air from outside is going to be drawn in.
Ed
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http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
John,
I just finished building a shed outside my basement shop primarily to get
the dust collector out of the shop to free up some space. This evening I
did a test run and noticed no significant loss due to the 8 foot or so
increase in altitude from the basement floor to the shed. My dust collector
is the grizzly 1029 (2HP) so it is probably comparable to your model. I did
however make some changes to the unit for initial test purposes. First, I
increased the main duct from 4" to 6" (a BIG improvement should be gained by
this) and have temporarily taken the separator out of the equation until I
get a better unit as mine left quite a bit to be desired.
I strongly agree with Joe, though, in that you'll want to put a return duct
in. During my test this evening, I could feel a significant amount of air
coming out of the shed around the door frame and definitely would *not* want
that amount of unheated (or uncooled) air being sucked back into the house.
To minimized these effects, I'm thinking of enclosing the unit in a small
room inside the shed so that the amount of unconditioned air that is
returned to the shop upon initial use of the DC is lessened. Hopefully in
the next day or so I'll post some pics to abpw to show what I did.
Let me know if you have any questions about my setup as I put a lot of
thought into it beforehand and may have solved some of the problems you are
encountering in designing your solution.
Good luck,
Eric
"JohnT." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Do dust collectors (in this case, the HF 2hp) have the power to suck
> dust up one floor? My shop space in the basement is extremely tight, and
> I was thinking that I could put the dust collector outside in the
> attached shed, run the hose through the basement window. Have the
> seperator in the basement though to take care of the "big" stuff.
>
> John
>
Eric Yancey wrote:
> John,
>
> I just finished building a shed outside my basement shop primarily to get
> the dust collector out of the shop to free up some space. This evening I
No, actually what you just did was post four copies of the same reply. While I
agree with your plans, be aware that it might take a few minutes before your
post becomes visible to you. Sometimes it never does. I had a situation a
couple of weeks ago where I never saw my post and yet people replied to it.
Strange.
--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
[email protected]
http://www.mortimerschnerd.com
John,
If you've got a preseparator in the basement, I strongly suspect your 2hp
collector would suck whatever is left up 3 floors. IME, the stuff thats
left after the preseparator is so light, you won't have any trouble at all.
One thing to keep in mind, though. You'll be removing 1100 cfm of heated
(winter) or cooled (summer) air from your house while your collector is
running. That air *will* be coming back in your house from the outside
through various means. You *will* see an increase in your utility costs.
Joe C.
"JohnT." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Do dust collectors (in this case, the HF 2hp) have the power to suck
> dust up one floor? My shop space in the basement is extremely tight, and
> I was thinking that I could put the dust collector outside in the
> attached shed, run the hose through the basement window. Have the
> seperator in the basement though to take care of the "big" stuff.
>
> John
>
>One thing to keep in mind, though. You'll be removing 1100 cfm of heated
>(winter) or cooled (summer) air from your house while your collector is
>running.
I doubt it would work until you get into the 2HP and 1200 cfm range. Jet will
tell you if you want a permanent dust system, not just one you wheel from
station to station, go with their minimum 1200 cfm model.
Daryl,
OP has a 2hp collector. The 1100 cfm I quoted was a rough figure.
"DarylRos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >One thing to keep in mind, though. You'll be removing 1100 cfm of heated
> >(winter) or cooled (summer) air from your house while your collector is
> >running.
>
> I doubt it would work until you get into the 2HP and 1200 cfm range. Jet
will
> tell you if you want a permanent dust system, not just one you wheel from
> station to station, go with their minimum 1200 cfm model.
>
>
John,
I just finished building a shed outside my basement shop primarily to get
the dust collector out of the shop to free up some space. This evening I
did a test run and noticed no significant loss due to the 8 foot or so
increase in altitude from the basement floor to the shed. My dust collector
is the grizzly 1029 (2HP) so it is probably comparable to your model. I did
however make some changes to the unit for initial test purposes. First, I
increased the main duct from 4" to 6" (a BIG improvement should be gained by
this) and have temporarily taken the separator out of the equation until I
get a better unit as mine left quite a bit to be desired.
I strongly agree with Joe, though, in that you'll want to put a return duct
in. During my test this evening, I could feel a significant amount of air
coming out of the shed around the door frame and definitely would *not* want
that amount of unheated (or uncooled) air being sucked back into the house.
To minimized these effects, I'm thinking of enclosing the unit in a small
room inside the shed so that the amount of unconditioned air that is
returned to the shop upon initial use of the DC is lessened. Hopefully in
the next day or so I'll post some pics to abpw to show what I did.
Let me know if you have any questions about my setup as I put a lot of
thought into it beforehand and may have solved some of the problems you are
encountering in designing your solution.
Good luck,
Eric
"JohnT." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Do dust collectors (in this case, the HF 2hp) have the power to suck
> dust up one floor? My shop space in the basement is extremely tight, and
> I was thinking that I could put the dust collector outside in the
> attached shed, run the hose through the basement window. Have the
> seperator in the basement though to take care of the "big" stuff.
>
> John
>
Edwin Pawlowski said:
>Keep in mind what Joe C said about removing the heated/cooled air. As you
>suck it out, other air from outside is going to be drawn in.
>Ed
How about putting a micron furnace filter in the window and leaving it
open to the attached outbuilding. Much of the air would be allowed to
pass back into the basement, after being filtered. This would cut
down on the make-up air pulled from other sources. Of course, this
would work only if the outbuilding covers the window. A little
insulation and weatherstripping wouldn't hurt either...
Just an idea...
Greg G.
John,
I just finished building a shed outside my basement shop primarily to get
the dust collector out of the shop to free up some space. This evening I
did a test run and noticed no significant loss due to the 8 foot or so
increase in altitude from the basement floor to the shed. My dust collector
is the grizzly 1029 (2HP) so it is probably comparable to your model. I did
however make some changes to the unit for initial test purposes. First, I
increased the main duct from 4" to 6" (a BIG improvement should be gained by
this) and have temporarily taken the separator out of the equation until I
get a better unit as mine left quite a bit to be desired.
I strongly agree with Joe, though, in that you'll want to put a return duct
in. During my test this evening, I could feel a significant amount of air
coming out of the shed around the door frame and definitely would *not* want
that amount of unheated (or uncooled) air being sucked back into the house.
To minimized these effects, I'm thinking of enclosing the unit in a small
room inside the shed so that the amount of unconditioned air that is
returned to the shop upon initial use of the DC is lessened. Hopefully in
the next day or so I'll post some pics to abpw to show what I did.
Let me know if you have any questions about my setup as I put a lot of
thought into it beforehand and may have solved some of the problems you are
encountering in designing your solution.
Good luck,
Eric
"JohnT." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Do dust collectors (in this case, the HF 2hp) have the power to suck
> dust up one floor? My shop space in the basement is extremely tight, and
> I was thinking that I could put the dust collector outside in the
> attached shed, run the hose through the basement window. Have the
> seperator in the basement though to take care of the "big" stuff.
>
> John
>
John,
I just finished building a shed outside my basement shop primarily to get
the dust collector out of the shop to free up some space. This evening I
did a test run and noticed no significant loss due to the 8 foot or so
increase in altitude from the basement floor to the shed. My dust collector
is the grizzly 1029 (2HP) so it is probably comparable to your model. I did
however make some changes to the unit for initial test purposes. First, I
increased the main duct from 4" to 6" (a BIG improvement should be gained by
this) and have temporarily taken the separator out of the equation until I
get a better unit as mine left quite a bit to be desired.
I strongly agree with Joe, though, in that you'll want to put a return duct
in. During my test this evening, I could feel a significant amount of air
coming out of the shed around the door frame and definitely would *not* want
that amount of unheated (or uncooled) air being sucked back into the house.
To minimized these effects, I'm thinking of enclosing the unit in a small
room inside the shed so that the amount of unconditioned air that is
returned to the shop upon initial use of the DC is lessened. Hopefully in
the next day or so I'll post some pics to abpw to show what I did.
Let me know if you have any questions about my setup as I put a lot of
thought into it beforehand and may have solved some of the problems you are
encountering in designing your solution.
Good luck,
Eric
"JohnT." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Do dust collectors (in this case, the HF 2hp) have the power to suck
> dust up one floor? My shop space in the basement is extremely tight, and
> I was thinking that I could put the dust collector outside in the
> attached shed, run the hose through the basement window. Have the
> seperator in the basement though to take care of the "big" stuff.
>
> John
>